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[03:45] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [03:45] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:53] *britney has quit (connection closed) [03:53] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 21 [05:19] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:19] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@dgkweia5xb9ks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 21 [06:08] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:13] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@dgkweia5xb9ks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:14] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [06:14] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@dgkweia5xb9ks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 21 [07:47] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [07:48] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@dgkweia5xb9ks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 21 [08:28] schestowitz https://twitter.com/thetorpedodog/status/1548410782156595200 [08:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@thetorpedodog: @edropple @mjg59 @Popehat ok this got me morbidly curious (or morbius, as you might say), and, well, https://t.co/Q6tPqLcPpB [08:46] schestowitz-TR We May Have Just Passed 200,000 Victims of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/21/200000-brits-dead-with-coronavirus/ [08:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive We May Have Just Passed 200,000 Victims of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom [08:47] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [08:52] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:52] schestowitz-TR Hi Roy As a special offer to TechRights, I can give a sneak preview of Dells new lineup of Linux-based Precision workstations for developers." http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/oem-gnu-linux-era/ [08:52] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- techrights.org | Free/Libre Software is Greener Pastures for Dell | Techrights [08:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Free/Libre Software is Greener Pastures for Dell | Techrights [08:52] schestowitz-TR Dell laptops don't get much media coverage because they're good; that's just Dell throwing its "PR muscle" around... http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/oem-gnu-linux-era/ "Corrupt Media" as I call it... [08:52] schestowitz-TR Dell basically prepared (with embargo) about a dozen "news" sites to do puff pieces about "Ubuntu" laptop... all at the same time [08:52] schestowitz-TR 13 years ago: Why is Dell Sticking with Ballnux After Joining Novell/Microsoft Patent Deal? https://techrights.org/2009/02/14/dell-boots-linux-tax/ more in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Dell [08:52] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- [08:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Why is Dell Sticking with Ballnux After Joining Novell/Microsoft Patent Deal? | Techrights [08:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Dell - Techrights [08:55] schestowitz-TR Many scripted Dell 'articles' after embargo http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34399 [08:55] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines ● Jul 21 [09:00] Techrights-sec2 ack [09:07] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:07] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:08] Techrights-sec2 The biggest thing that Dell could do to promote its Linux hardware would be [09:08] Techrights-sec2 to make it feasible to find on their web site and especially in their web [09:08] Techrights-sec2 shop. Yes, I know that theoretically Dell offers hardware with GNU/Linux [09:08] Techrights-sec2 pre-installed. No, I have never been able to find how and where to buy one. [09:08] Techrights-sec2 It's easier to import competing brands than it is to fight with the domestic [09:08] Techrights-sec2 web shops which insist on completely hiding/blocking sales. [09:09] schestowitz-TR if you are going to get preloaded, support the likes of slimbook, imho [09:09] schestowitz-TR they are modest and not just posting as "loves Linux" [09:09] schestowitz-TR *posing [09:12] Techrights-sec2 Slimbook is ok, with a big bonus that it is in the EU, but System76 has been [09:12] Techrights-sec2 far better and will, supposedly, soon open a shop in the EU. [09:12] Techrights-sec2 However, until Dell actually shows GNU/Linux systems in their web shops, there [09:12] Techrights-sec2 is not much point in bringing them up. [09:15] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:15] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:17] schestowitz-TR having more than one laptop is an OK invetsment if they do not cost a lot in power and you are on the computer most of the day [09:17] schestowitz-TR people who buy multiple cars, which they cannot feasibly use at the same time, maintain some habit up to x100 more [09:18] schestowitz-TR experience and they're also very time-consumign to service (cleaning, repairs, constant paperwork of all sorts) [09:20] Techrights-sec2 Yes, having more than one is good, the old one can function as a backup or [09:20] Techrights-sec2 reserve unit. [09:20] Techrights-sec2 It does not have to stay plugged in, and not even that up to date, just [09:20] Techrights-sec2 in a state in which it can easily be updated and accept data from the backup [09:20] Techrights-sec2 drives [09:20] Techrights-sec2 However, with even Broadcom conspiring with Intel and AMD to put DRM into [09:20] Techrights-sec2 the CPU itself, there is a question about how many hardware generations [09:20] Techrights-sec2 general-purpose computing can survive. [09:20] Techrights-sec2 s/many/many more/ [09:20] Techrights-sec2 It goes without saying that the conspiration between Broadcom, AMD, and Intel [09:20] Techrights-sec2 centers around M$ [09:22] schestowitz-TR It would be interesting to know what JCK and Russia do in that regard [09:22] schestowitz-TR afaik, they're not (yet) keen on such a direction [09:22] schestowitz-TR and I assume OEMs in Japan, China, Korea (and Taiwan) will gain in the coming years [09:22] schestowitz-TR atm, they chase Microsoft's tail, e.g. Lenovo [09:22] schestowitz-TR but that can change [09:22] schestowitz-TR not just Chromebooks [09:23] Techrights-sec2 JCK? [09:23] Techrights-sec2 ack [09:23] Techrights-sec2 Russia has attempted to ditch Windows several times already. I stopped following their attempts about 10 years ago when it became apparent that there was [09:23] Techrights-sec2 a lot of bribery from M$ which went unprosecuted and that the opportunity was [09:23] Techrights-sec2 taken then to fire as many skilled IT people as possible so as to leave [09:23] Techrights-sec2 only the microsofters [09:23] Techrights-sec2 China tried making some hardware based on MIPS iirc Loongson but that seemed to [09:23] Techrights-sec2 go nowhere. I presume corruption and, especially bribery, is endemic still [09:23] Techrights-sec2 in the IT sector and prevents any moves towards independence or sovereignty. [09:24] schestowitz-TR SJVN disagrees [09:24] schestowitz-TR stop kicking puppies [09:24] schestowitz-TR Microsoft is not evil anymore [09:25] Techrights-sec2 Did you see the recent article and SN discussion about DARPA aiming for [09:25] Techrights-sec2 control over the kernel? [09:25] Techrights-sec2 he's bleated that talking point so many times he probably has not even a [09:25] Techrights-sec2 smidgen of his soul left [09:27] schestowitz-TR I've mentioned this DARPA article many times in TR, TM, and IRC [09:27] schestowitz-TR I call it adding DoD to CoC [09:27] schestowitz-TR in addition to having no political views (or views on biology) you're meant [09:27] schestowitz-TR to also be cool with military [09:27] schestowitz-TR see what Prenning published in his blog 24 hours ago [09:32] Techrights-sec2 ack [09:32] Techrights-sec2 https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/07/enrico-zini-on-dam-and-responsability/ [09:32] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.preining.info | Enrico Zini on DAM and "responsability" | There and back again [09:35] schestowitz-TR this is one of several elements that hobble Debian [09:35] schestowitz-TR but those elements are partly connected [09:35] schestowitz-TR Gulag will give you money, but there are some conditions [09:35] schestowitz-TR BTW, Debian had some good news re migration at Gulag [09:35] schestowitz-TR I think this is a complex challenge [09:35] schestowitz-TR and we need to find proper ways to communicate the intricacies [09:35] schestowitz-TR as FSF took Gulag money too, many times... [09:35] schestowitz-TR and so it cannot speak about it without being dubbed "hypocrite" [09:35] schestowitz-TR FSFE even more so [09:35] schestowitz-TR LF is in a more adevances stage [09:35] schestowitz-TR where even bribes from Microsoft are seen as required, desirable [09:35] schestowitz-TR Debian takes Miccreosofr bribes only via DebConf so far (SPI) [09:35] schestowitz-TR it stopped for a year or two [09:35] schestowitz-TR now back on the wagon [09:38] Techrights-sec2 so far, but even that's way too much. I'm equally concerned about the damage [09:38] Techrights-sec2 to the governance which allowed M$ to get even a toehold in DebConf. [09:38] Techrights-sec2 Zemlin, on the other hand, seems out to destroy the brand [09:38] schestowitz-TR zemlin is not seop guru [09:38] schestowitz-TR in the white house ;-) [09:38] schestowitz-TR I'm sure he can explain everything to them [09:38] schestowitz-TR with his hands and stuff [09:38] schestowitz-TR *now secOp [09:39] schestowitz-TR "jim, you should try taking one of those introductory LF exams" [09:40] schestowitz-TR Jim: "no, I'm fine, thanks..." [09:41] Techrights-sec2 dogfooding should be a hard requirement not just for all the executives but [09:41] Techrights-sec2 each and every employee there [09:41] schestowitz-TR wtf? [09:41] schestowitz-TR that would be like kicking a dog [09:42] Techrights-sec2 I'd even go further and give consideration for reqiring it as a prereqisite [09:42] Techrights-sec2 for running for a seat on the board [09:43] schestowitz-TR here is te thing [09:43] schestowitz-TR a) we at lf are no longer about linux -> [09:43] schestowitz-TR b) we in LF sell seats, as that makes us more money -> [09:43] schestowitz-TR c) we at LF welcome even Linux-hostile people [09:43] schestowitz-TR you cannot jump straight to c [09:44] britney wubba lubba dub dub [09:45] Techrights-sec2 Quality over quantity. [09:45] Techrights-sec2 SSAAS -> selling seats as a service [09:45] Techrights-sec2 they;ve been at c) for years now, thanks to zemlin and his enablers [09:45] Techrights-sec2 now they are at [09:45] Techrights-sec2 d) dismantle the reputation of the brand [09:47] schestowitz-TR afaik, they are not even running for the board [09:47] schestowitz-TR it's an opaque process [09:47] schestowitz-TR never saw evidence of voting there [09:47] schestowitz-TR see my annotated irs filing screenshots [09:47] schestowitz-TR they just sell the seats [09:47] schestowitz-TR maybe for now it is capped at 2 seats per company [09:48] schestowitz-TR but by enlarging the boad over time they can "raise" more money [09:48] Techrights-sec2 the community did not react at all when their seats were eliminate [09:48] Techrights-sec2 d [09:51] schestowitz-TR awareness around these issues certainly grew [09:51] schestowitz-TR and that's what matters [09:51] schestowitz-TR as that's all that we can do, for now... [09:52] Techrights-sec2 There was awareness, there is just apathy. People cannot look even one step [09:52] Techrights-sec2 ahead. Take the recent Brodie Robertson video as an example there. Either [09:52] Techrights-sec2 he sold out or he's being intentionally naive about what's going on with [09:52] Techrights-sec2 control of the CPUs. He's probably young enough to have missed the warnings [09:52] Techrights-sec2 about restricted boot but has otherwise seemed smart enough to be able to [09:52] Techrights-sec2 see where things are heading. [09:54] schestowitz-TR usually I do not watch his videos, I link to them, then cherry-pick later if I shave etc. [09:55] schestowitz-TR he makes many basic errors, which I attribute to him being (fafaik) early 20s [09:55] schestowitz-TR so he was born around the time Win2000 was out [09:55] Techrights-sec2 It's bizarre that people are hardcoded to be able to calculate the trajectories [09:55] Techrights-sec2 of physical objects taking direction of movement and several vectors of [09:55] Techrights-sec2 acceleration into account. Yet when it comes to far less complex tracking [09:55] Techrights-sec2 of events, they come up zero again and again. [09:55] Techrights-sec2 THe last one was not worth watching. It's a waste of time and calls into [09:55] Techrights-sec2 question his motives, I would say. ● Jul 21 [10:01] schestowitz-TR his last one, IIRC< was about "store" [10:01] schestowitz-TR I did not watch, I linked though [10:01] schestowitz-TR I can try to find his email (if he uses that... probably some gmail crap) [10:01] schestowitz-TR and have a chat with him [10:01] schestowitz-TR he reads TR sometimes [10:01] schestowitz-TR he might even come to IRC... if he knows how that works ;-) (he does [10:01] schestowitz-TR he did some videos on freenode IIRC) [10:01] schestowitz-TR his last video that I watched was about arch, IIRC [10:01] schestowitz-TR he kept going in circles saying the same thing over and over again in diufferent ways [10:01] schestowitz-TR which is odd given how heavily edited it was [10:01] schestowitz-TR like you can see the hair getting all combed up all of a suddent [10:01] schestowitz-TR due to poor transitions [10:01] schestowitz-TR which is so hilarious [10:01] schestowitz-TR so he had it prepared [10:01] schestowitz-TR but was unable to progress from one point to the next [10:01] schestowitz-TR if he wrote an article, it would not be so good [10:01] schestowitz-TR vloggers don't typically do articles [10:01] schestowitz-TR Brodie's video description are always littered with lots of typos, through [10:01] schestowitz-TR they're short [10:05] Techrights-sec2 back [10:05] Techrights-sec2 DT has not covered anything interesting lately [10:05] schestowitz-TR apropos, dt's video count went down considerably, imho partly due to gulagtube algo and partly because he covers the same things over and over again e.g. xmonad [10:06] schestowitz-TR that's a very typical scenario, not jusr for videos [10:06] schestowitz-TR that's partly why I stopped covering patent issues aside from epo, as that's where exclusives are easy to produce [10:06] schestowitz-TR and they concer not just patent issues but human rights, tech rights (workplace of tech), labour issues... [10:06] schestowitz-TR which fascinates probably not just me... [10:06] schestowitz-TR most places have these issues but not a strong, unionised workforce [10:42] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 21 [11:15] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@txau3n3cpv78k.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:23] schestowitz-TR ota [11:23] schestowitz-TR just getting tea (break from coffee due to heat) [11:23] schestowitz-TR OTA [11:23] schestowitz-TR I recorded two ina row [11:23] schestowitz-TR added first draft just now [11:23] schestowitz-TR integrates your suggestion to dell [11:24] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:24] Techrights-sec2 s/embargo was listed/embargo was lifted/ [11:25] Techrights-sec2 I'm not sure /any/ vendors are completely Windows-free, but Slimbook, [11:25] Techrights-sec2 System76, and a few others feature GNU/Linux /almost/ exclusively. [11:26] schestowitz-TR I didn't want to name any of them [11:26] schestowitz-TR as it would seem like "endorsement" [11:26] schestowitz-TR and that's not "my department" [11:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [11:30] Techrights-sec2 correct, it's not necesssary to name them explicitly just point out that [11:30] Techrights-sec2 there really are vendors availabe. But the sad fact is that AFAIK they [11:30] Techrights-sec2 all offer an option for Windows, as strange as it may be. [11:30] Techrights-sec2 Oops. It has changed. System76 does not offer Windows at least on a spot check [11:30] Techrights-sec2 of configurations! Kudos! Having even one option for that legacy OS means [11:30] Techrights-sec2 a shitload of licensing and bureacracy as well as extra, unnecessary staff. [11:30] Techrights-sec2 tldr; ignore my comment about the vendors [11:32] schestowitz-TR in any event, everything perceived to be "endorsemen" can become a liability in the future [11:32] schestowitz-TR e.g. freenode/Lee [11:32] schestowitz-TR when you focus on the concepts, not the brand, the concept are immutable [11:32] schestowitz-TR so no person or brand can "betray" [11:33] schestowitz-TR FSF endorsed some rather dodgy things over the eyars [11:33] schestowitz-TR that ended up, e.g., not even delivering to buyers [11:34] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:34] Techrights-sec2 true [11:34] Techrights-sec2 the intent was not to name them but to point out (to you, here in the chat) that [11:34] Techrights-sec2 I thought those vendors were not entirely windows-free. But I stand corrected [11:34] Techrights-sec2 at least one is fully free of that legacy OS [11:36] schestowitz-TR some people online (maybe trolls in /.) speculated HP would buy them [11:36] schestowitz-TR so suddently you ended up having endorsed a department of some windows shop [11:36] schestowitz-TR linsode is now akamai [11:36] schestowitz-TR systemd is microsofters [11:36] schestowitz-TR red hat is ibm [11:36] schestowitz-TR pythoin's founder is a shill of proprietary crapware from microsoft [11:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [11:50] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Jul 21 [12:00] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:06] schestowitz-TR draft [12:06] schestowitz-TR oh, typo in video title [12:06] schestowitz-TR will regenerate the gif [12:09] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [12:14] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [12:15] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@txau3n3cpv78k.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:21] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:33] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [12:34] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@txau3n3cpv78k.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:36] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [12:36] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@txau3n3cpv78k.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:57] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:57] Techrights-sec2 I only ever see the NoScript snake there where the video links from ● Jul 21 [13:02] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [13:10] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 21 [16:00] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [16:01] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:07] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.it/enkiv2/status/1550075560818245633#m [16:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- Psychotronic Tsundoku Infohazard (@enkiv2): "Random link from the archives: "" https://web.archive.org/web/20190710114943/http://techrights.org/2019/06/20/microsoft-bullying/ originally retrieved Wed Jul 10 11:49:43 EDT 2019"|nitter.it ● Jul 21 [17:39] schestowitz-TR Jack Wallen is conflating Microsoft systemd with Linux https://www.techrepublic.com/article/masked-services-linux-how-manage/ [17:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-What are masked services in Linux, and how do you manage them? | TechRepublic ● Jul 21 [19:02] Techrights-sec2 it seems to be widespread campaign centered around the microsofters. they [19:02] Techrights-sec2 are trying to pretend that Lennart is "Linux" and that he has been working [19:02] Techrights-sec2 for the community rather than against it [19:02] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:08] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:12] schestowitz-TR atm I am finalising part 2 of the series on microsoft media moles [19:12] schestowitz-TR I am not sure how to write it in an "interesting" way [19:12] schestowitz-TR but it will at leastbe precise [19:12] Techrights-sec2 accuracy is the most important anyway [19:14] schestowitz-TR I've just surveyed the material. This series might be 5 or 6 parts in total. will you be around another 15 mins to see draft? [19:14] schestowitz-TR re phd, unis are now paret of the "establishment" [19:14] schestowitz-TR they forced me to write "IP" in my thesis [19:14] schestowitz-TR don't expect them to blast power [19:14] schestowitz-TR epo even bribes unis now [19:14] schestowitz-TR for patent jingosism [19:14] schestowitz-TR it's like a religion, eu does the same... pages with BS like "IP" [19:14] Techrights-sec2 I think so [19:14] Techrights-sec2 what bullshit, "IP" is not a real term [19:14] Techrights-sec2 unless its in the context of IPv4 or IPv6 [19:16] schestowitz-TR I dissented over it, but when they do oral exams and decide on your status you are playing a weak hand [19:16] schestowitz-TR same for asking for the original uni's namne to be on the diploma [19:16] schestowitz-TR anyway, that was ages ago, I've moved on [19:16] schestowitz-TR working on the draft quicxkl, brb [19:16] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:16] Techrights-sec2 ok [19:36] schestowitz-TR almost there.. [19:36] schestowitz-TR . [19:36] schestowitz-TR draft [19:36] Techrights-sec2 ok [19:36] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:41] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:41] Techrights-sec2 "contracts or consulting," could be a hyperlink to the relevant PXE (PDF) [19:41] Techrights-sec2 "Microsoft whistleblower was burned" perhaps should be named once here too [19:41] Techrights-sec2 or if the whistleblower is to remain unamed in parts I and II, that fact [19:41] Techrights-sec2 should be mentioned briefly [19:41] schestowitz-TR adding [19:42] schestowitz-TR searching [19:42] schestowitz-TR re identities, they will be implied from links [19:42] schestowitz-TR but would rather not make them visible to search engines [19:50] Techrights-sec2 ok [19:50] Techrights-sec2 s/This is how the burner of the whistleblower attempted to defect himself/ [19:50] Techrights-sec2 /The person who burned the whistleblower attempted to deflect from himself [19:50] Techrights-sec2 by / [19:50] Techrights-sec2 The nickname there needs to be tied to the real name, too. [19:50] Techrights-sec2 Peter "Microsoft Peter" Whatshisname [19:50] Techrights-sec2 thanks [19:50] Techrights-sec2 the mugshot is less important than having his actual name in the text itself [19:50] Techrights-sec2 There are too many links for people to have time to click on them randomly [19:50] Techrights-sec2 so a minimum level of context (such as the full name) must be provide so that [19:50] schestowitz-TR I've added two links to that [19:50] Techrights-sec2 people will know which links to follow or not [19:50] schestowitz-TR I will also add a mugshot now ● Jul 21 [20:00] Techrights-sec2 again, I recommend ensuring that his full name is mentioned along with the [20:00] Techrights-sec2 nick name [20:00] Techrights-sec2 Oh, it's updated! thanks. [20:00] Techrights-sec2 afk [20:00] Techrights-sec2 ps the paragraph about "My work at Microsoft..." gives more than enough [20:00] Techrights-sec2 personal information to identify him specifically. :( [20:00] Techrights-sec2 afk [20:01] schestowitz-TR yes, it will become impossible to hide identities given some personally revealing links etc. [20:01] schestowitz-TR btu the balance is, do not focus on names, focus on the patterns [20:01] schestowitz-TR he is fine with it, I asked him [20:23] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [20:51] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@5pbbi9gug9aiw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 21 [21:02] *britney has quit (connection closed) [21:02] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 21 [22:00] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:02] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) [22:02] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 21 [23:23] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed)