●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, July 22, 2022 ●● ● Jul 22 [02:47] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 22 [03:03] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 22 [06:02] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [06:04] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@5pbbi9gug9aiw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:41] schestowitz-TR gm [06:44] schestowitz-TR a willing reader can find out which "reporter" it is about [06:44] schestowitz-TR as this was mentioned a month ago [06:44] schestowitz-TR the point was not to name them outright [06:44] schestowitz-TR ad to instead focus on the issues [06:44] schestowitz-TR and this was FINE with the person (I asked) [06:44] schestowitz-TR there are many gioveaways anyway [06:44] schestowitz-TR next part deals with fake security [06:45] Techrights-sec2 of course [06:47] schestowitz-TR I think yesterday we did about 20 posts, despite me doing a shift [06:47] schestowitz-TR today is friday, so it'll be slow [06:47] schestowitz-TR rianne doing extra shift, it might rain for the garden [06:47] schestowitz-TR the food is no longer 'spilling' out the fridge [06:47] schestowitz-TR we had hoarded too much of it [06:47] schestowitz-TR seeing that the "normal" price are increasingly absurd [06:47] schestowitz-TR like eggs up 70% or so [06:47] schestowitz-TR we're far from "wheelbarrows of cach" for a loaf of bread [06:47] schestowitz-TR but for some familities this is an impossibility [06:48] schestowitz-TR double the size, double the trouble, double the price [06:48] Techrights-sec2 of course [06:48] Techrights-sec2 20 is a high number [06:50] schestowitz-TR before the pandemic we though whether second fridge would be worth the extra energy [06:50] schestowitz-TR after the lockdowns we could not justify as we didn't go in town as much [06:50] schestowitz-TR and the subject came back 2 weeks ago [06:50] schestowitz-TR we rarely bring in enough to justify the extra space and operating costs [06:50] Techrights-sec2 ack [06:57] schestowitz-TR when I was a kid the old fridge became "second firdge" but it was for a whole large family [06:57] schestowitz-TR in our previous address, an apartment, we had one large and one small mfidge/freezer [06:57] schestowitz-TR with rising food prices we might still get something one day [06:57] schestowitz-TR but that must be belanced with energy price, availability of discounts (it's really bad; [06:57] schestowitz-TR rianne visited about 7 small stoes yesterday at the "right" time... almost empty-handed) [06:57] schestowitz-TR we can save 20-30 pounds on fruit and veg with the bicycle this summer [06:57] schestowitz-TR if we find cheese or similar even up to 50 pounds in savings [06:57] schestowitz-TR many factors inc. timne, day, number of people (weather) and luck [06:57] schestowitz-TR but the plus is, we get 5 things done in one: tan, exercise, time out in nature with geese, [06:57] schestowitz-TR food and something else... I forgot, doesn't matter much [06:57] schestowitz-TR (it's just informal irc anyway, not a report) [06:58] Techrights-sec2 yes [06:58] Techrights-sec2 ack [06:58] DaemonFC schestowitz-TRlike eggs up 70% or so [06:58] schestowitz-TR yeah [06:58] DaemonFC Eggs went to $10.78 for 60 last week. [06:58] schestowitz-TR maybe mored [06:58] schestowitz-TR even in aldi [06:58] DaemonFC Now they're back at $14.48. [06:58] DaemonFC They're all over the place. [06:58] DaemonFC Eggland's Best was cheaper than the store brand today at Walmart. [06:59] DaemonFC Sometimes brown eggs are the cheapest. [06:59] schestowitz-TR that's almost 4 dollars for 15 [06:59] schestowitz-TR or 3 pounds [06:59] DaemonFC It works out to $2.78 per dozen if you buy Eggland's Best in the 18 count right now. [06:59] DaemonFC vs. $2.98 per dozen to get Great Value that way. ● Jul 22 [07:00] DaemonFC Eggs are very strange right now. [07:00] schestowitz-TR better change recipes [07:00] schestowitz-TR with prices like these.. [07:00] DaemonFC The brands and sizes and colors don't move around in sync. [07:00] DaemonFC So you just buy what the least worst deal is. [07:00] schestowitz-TR .thew "news" sites here say it's due to price of grain that feeds chicken [07:00] schestowitz-TR and point to brexit and ukraine [07:00] schestowitz-TR but price of bread is not high [07:00] schestowitz-TR maybe owing to subsidies [07:01] DaemonFC schestowitz I told mom I'm making a casserole with lump crab tomorrow. [07:01] DaemonFC And she said, "How much did that set you back?". [07:01] DaemonFC I said, "like $25 for the crab alone". [07:02] DaemonFC Crazy shit, man. $6.58 per can of lump crab times 4 cans. [07:02] DaemonFC But they give us discounts on it. [07:02] DaemonFC You get associate discount on canned meat, but not fresh meat. [07:02] DaemonFC It's nuts. 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[07:33] schestowitz-TR sometimes india [07:33] schestowitz-TR it's as global capitalist system [07:34] schestowitz-TR where you find other people to GREATER numbers whom you can exploit and impoverished, in quantities, to pamper the few [07:41] psydruid so now we are seeing the real price of life in western society and suddenly people aren't all that rich anymore [07:53] *schestowitz-TR has quit (*.net *.split) [07:53] *lightbringer has quit (*.net *.split) [07:53] *schestowitz[TR] has quit (*.net *.split) [07:53] *rianne_ has quit (*.net *.split) [07:56] *Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). [07:56] *Now talking on #boycottnovell ● Jul 22 [08:03] schestowitz-TR exactly [08:03] schestowitz-TR less serfdom, except to our domestic lords [08:03] schestowitz-TR and fewer people in china exporting to us [08:03] schestowitz-TR aka "supply chain" [08:03] schestowitz-TR "shortages" [08:03] schestowitz-TR grain = russia, ukraine [08:03] schestowitz-TR eastern european farm ers [08:03] schestowitz-TR before brexit we had them come over to becomne fruit pickers [08:04] schestowitz-TR long hours outdoors [08:04] schestowitz-TR low pay [08:04] schestowitz-TR from places like latvia (eu) [08:06] Techrights-sec2 I like having the DocumentRoot in Git. It seems like a rather good practice [08:06] Techrights-sec2 for manually generated files in production. [08:06] Techrights-sec2 The script-generated files are not in Git, of course, nor is the database [08:06] Techrights-sec2 itself, but everything else is. I'm just wondering what, if any, tweaks [08:06] Techrights-sec2 can be made to the database structure. Not that it matters much, it's more [08:06] Techrights-sec2 of a principle thing at this point. The navigation script's SQL query needs [08:06] Techrights-sec2 some modification to cover the case where a gap of a day or longer exists [08:06] Techrights-sec2 between the latest post and the previous one. [08:06] schestowitz-TR yes, i thought of asking last wwek [08:06] schestowitz-TR if git is down, it still works [08:06] schestowitz-TR if DB down, e.g. for maintenance of backup, things still work [08:06] schestowitz-TR our current DB has not been in need of repair for nearly 5 opr 6 days now [08:06] schestowitz-TR the issue is, due to lossy recovery we'd need to revert back to 27/6/2022 dump at [08:07] schestowitz-TR some point and make copies of all the nodes posted since then [08:08] Techrights-sec2 The trick there will be to spot the gap and go back n days to update [08:08] Techrights-sec2 the previous post's navigation menu. [08:20] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [08:32] Techrights-sec2 Ok, finding the previous post was easy. [08:32] Techrights-sec2 Now finding a way to retrofit the previous post will be more complicated. [08:33] schestowitz-TR sorry, was away clearning the fish's filter [08:33] schestowitz-TR seems like the ngine may be warming up the water a bit [08:33] schestowitz-TR seems a lot warmed than room temp [08:33] schestowitz-TR but that's good [08:33] schestowitz-TR catching up now, very busy in IRC today, need to look away [08:33] schestowitz-TR as I keep forgetting things I was gonna do, happened 3 or 4 times this past day [08:33] schestowitz-TR and it's always annoying when this happens [08:37] *spazz has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:39] *spazzz (~spazz@urifce6zxwtdi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:53] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 22 [09:22] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [09:23] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:30] *psydroid2 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [09:31] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:34] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[09:55] Techrights-sec2 yes skipping at least one day between postings [09:55] schestowitz-TR OK, I shall do this ● Jul 22 [10:30] *techrights_guest|72 (~48c868ab@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:44] *techrights_guest|72 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [10:46] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 22 [11:05] *techrights_guest|51 (~48c868ab@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:07] *techrights_guest|51 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [11:54] *spazzz is now known as spazz ● Jul 22 [12:19] *asusbox has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[14:09] schestowitz-TR use http for screenshots [14:09] schestowitz-TR there is al and caption [14:09] schestowitz-TR but not as descrpotive [14:12] Techrights-sec2 not yet ... checking [14:12] Techrights-sec2 ok checking the images now too [14:12] Techrights-sec2 I wonder if they are collaborating with Alphabet to line up a situation where [14:12] Techrights-sec2 Fuchsia can easily move into and replace Linux's market [14:12] Techrights-sec2 ack [14:13] schestowitz-TR it's a national failure that LT went to CA for some absolutely shit company and later Potrland to be a slave [14:13] schestowitz-TR the nation could provide capital for all that innovation to happen at home, like with nokia ~100 years ago [14:13] schestowitz-TR this seems to be a eu-wide problem [14:13] schestowitz-TR while pentagon bleeds the us treasury dry [14:13] schestowitz-TR living like it's the 1960s and the only world superpowers should race to death (cold war) at all cost [14:13] schestowitz-TR in case it culminates in a ww3 with nukes (that were already used twice) [14:13] schestowitz-TR speaking of gulag, daniel po wrote last night about the contunied exodus of debian developers [14:13] schestowitz-TR they add like one new dev a month [14:13] schestowitz-TR a lost like 10 [14:13] schestowitz-TR well done, gulag/spi [14:13] schestowitz-TR maybe that's even considerd a net gain in zero-sum mindsets [14:16] Techrights-sec2 I should check his blog, I check the blogs in RSS only a few times per week [14:16] Techrights-sec2 The problem with such an exodu is that so many distros are downstream from [14:16] Techrights-sec2 Debian still. One can only hope that some (or many) end up at Devuan [14:16] Techrights-sec2 and then that at some point the distros rebase their upstream source to Devuan [14:16] Techrights-sec2 or at least in an ideal world that could happen [14:44] *spazz has quit (Quit: trttl) [14:44] *spazz (~spazz@urifce6zxwtdi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 22 [15:08] schestowitz-TR ota [15:09] schestowitz-TR done, epo pretending to be buddies with ukraine again [15:09] schestowitz-TR we need to patiently rebut every single time [15:09] schestowitz-TR it hurts their credibility [15:09] schestowitz-TR what a bunch of criminals [15:29] schestowitz-TR draft [15:37] Techrights-sec2 checking [15:37] Techrights-sec2 The acronym ILOAT ought to be expanded [15:37] Techrights-sec2 In the second to last sentence "this" could be clarified [15:37] Techrights-sec2 The first occurence of "UPC" can be expanded, is it European Patent Convention [15:37] Techrights-sec2 or something else? [15:37] Techrights-sec2 Same for the other acronym, EUIPO [15:37] schestowitz-TR added abbr and href for iloat in two places [15:37] schestowitz-TR euipo was already a link [15:37] schestowitz-TR first time around [15:37] schestowitz-TR but I don't want to expand the acronym [15:37] schestowitz-TR just say TRADEMARKS now [15:41] Techrights-sec2 ok, there is also the HTML element "abbr" which can be used. It is important [15:41] Techrights-sec2 that the jargon be made accessible for those that use the page as an entry [15:41] Techrights-sec2 to the site. Hey it can happen. [15:42] schestowitz-TR yes, I've used abbr for nearly 20 years [15:42] schestowitz-TR I allso added that for iloat in the summart [15:42] schestowitz-TR I am trying to lessen how much I cite wikipedia tbh [15:42] schestowitz-TR this monopoly of authortiy is exploited by pr agencies [15:42] schestowitz-TR they undo factual edits [15:42] schestowitz-TR I hear more and more of this [15:42] schestowitz-TR it's an army of guard dogs [15:42] Techrights-sec2 thanks [15:42] Techrights-sec2 wikipedia can be avoided when possible [15:44] Techrights-sec2 yep it's about which companies / interests can gather the larger hoards to [15:44] Techrights-sec2 camp out on a topic and, when it comes down to an edit war, win over the [15:44] Techrights-sec2 admins to their position [15:44] Techrights-sec2 It's not been about facts for many years, especially not in the tech articles [15:44] Techrights-sec2 Recall what M$ did to the ODF articles ● Jul 22 [16:28] schestowitz-TR our connection has been very stable since they installed the latest version here 19 months ago [16:28] schestowitz-TR I don't want to tinker with anything there [16:28] schestowitz-TR though when I had issues (my fault) earlier this year I change thr frequencye (5ghz iirc) [16:28] schestowitz-TR not that this solved anything [16:28] schestowitz-TR and have not reverted back to what it was by default [16:30] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:57] schestowitz-TR draft [16:57] schestowitz-TR window of opportunity to halt swpats ploy [16:57] schestowitz-TR hmmm typo in image, correcting in gimp [16:57] schestowitz-TR I use links to the relevant parts of the serties in the names [16:57] schestowitz-TR the summary gets expanded to include gemini links for articles about those [16:57] schestowitz-TR people. I've checked. [16:59] Techrights-sec2 old [16:59] Techrights-sec2 ^wrong paste [16:59] Techrights-sec2 checking [16:59] Techrights-sec2 just a graphic. Again the use of nicknames needs supplmenting with the [16:59] Techrights-sec2 real names so that it is clear even to non-native speakes who is being [16:59] Techrights-sec2 referred to [16:59] Techrights-sec2 the links are not of use in Gemini however [16:59] Techrights-sec2 for that the text needs to be self-contained [16:59] Techrights-sec2 the people we can reach through Gemini are probably really advantageous [16:59] Techrights-sec2 to have interested in the topic(s) [16:59] Techrights-sec2 The links are there, but the text doesn't flow and in the HTML version there [16:59] Techrights-sec2 are too many links to be convenient or clear. Gopher, which we have not [16:59] Techrights-sec2 explored yet, doesn't even have such links so the text really would need to [16:59] Techrights-sec2 be self-explanatory / self-contained if we were to try Gopher too ● Jul 22 [17:00] schestowitz-TR ok, so next time I mention a nickname I will add full name too and some descriptive words like [17:00] schestowitz-TR role [17:00] schestowitz-TR i wonder how many people still actively use gopher [17:00] schestowitz-TR or what the "edit wars" in wikipedia say [17:00] schestowitz-TR it looks like many gopherholes "expanded" to gemini tao take advantage of it [17:00] schestowitz-TR which gives gemini some good momentum [17:15] Techrights-sec2 gemini has a lot of movement but not the exponential growth like in the early [17:15] Techrights-sec2 WWWW [17:15] Techrights-sec2 ^WWW [17:15] Techrights-sec2 the search engines seem to ignore articles about Gemini in addition to the [17:15] Techrights-sec2 problem that the name is too generic [17:15] schestowitz-TR screw searah engine [17:15] schestowitz-TR I write for people [17:15] schestowitz-TR not for machines [17:16] schestowitz-TR seo is a niche thing for people WHO SELL itsemf online [17:16] schestowitz-TR to them, traffic needs "conversion" rate to money [17:16] Techrights-sec2 yes, of course, it does however impede looking for new material [17:16] Techrights-sec2 search engines have all become garbage [17:18] schestowitz-TR also seo is trends [17:18] schestowitz-TR it comes ago [17:18] schestowitz-TR as they adapt [17:18] schestowitz-TR so you end up spending amload of time [17:18] schestowitz-TR studying sttas [17:18] schestowitz-TR iow spying on people [17:18] schestowitz-TR and twesking pages [17:18] schestowitz-TR time that could instead be used to refine material for people [17:18] schestowitz-TR and be less transient in that ssense that even 20 years down the line it's [17:18] schestowitz-TR better, not just in the "keyword stuffing" sense [17:18] schestowitz-TR I lived and learned from mistkaes [17:18] schestowitz-TR wasted lots of time on this 15+ years ago [17:18] schestowitz-TR regret? no. because I learned from these errors. [17:18] schestowitz-TR there is a couple of new search engines for gemini and d detailed articles on the subject today in [17:18] schestowitz-TR gemini:// [17:18] schestowitz-TR very detailed [17:18] schestowitz-TR it's in Daily Links [17:18] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:27] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:43] Techrights-sec2 /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs on news.tuxmcahines.org is now pulled from Git [17:43] Techrights-sec2 in practice read-only since the account does not have write access to the [17:43] Techrights-sec2 Git repository; I'm not sure about best practice in that regard. [17:43] Techrights-sec2 Yes and then pull to news.tuxmachines.org [17:43] schestowitz-TR so we can make changes to pages by git push [17:43] schestowitz-TR and roll back if needed great! ● Jul 22 [18:31] Techrights-sec2 the question is where the changes should be made right now they cannot be made [18:31] Techrights-sec2 in /var/www/tuxmachines.org/* at all, but I guess the groups and permissions [18:31] Techrights-sec2 should be set up so that everyone gets their own login [18:31] Techrights-sec2 and then the shared group gets write access to the repository, but that still [18:31] Techrights-sec2 leaves the generic tm account [18:32] schestowitz-TR i set up that account to avoid being root [18:32] schestowitz-TR without much planning ahead [18:38] Techrights-sec2 ok some placeholder accounts might be in order then [18:38] schestowitz-TR working till 1am, will publish part 11 around midnight, cleaning rss feeds till then [18:39] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [18:50] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:50] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) ● Jul 22 [19:09] schestowitz-TR draft publication around 5 hours from now [19:09] schestowitz-TR maybe you can help weed out typos or suggest things [19:09] schestowitz-TR one part befor the finale [19:09] schestowitz-TR the hope it that we can stop or delay their plans [19:10] schestowitz-TR I don't add memes to the main series [19:10] schestowitz-TR to keep it professional [19:10] schestowitz-TR if you look at it now, you might spot typos [19:10] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@tdtkptgv2uu8s.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:31] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:31] Techrights-sec2 ok [19:32] Techrights-sec2 2nd paragraph, why is Weber the subject of this article? Maybe combine with the [19:32] Techrights-sec2 1st paragraph [19:32] Techrights-sec2 The paragraph """Before long he was marketing himself as an expert on the patentability of computer-implemented inventions.""" could have a short rebuttal [19:32] Techrights-sec2 as to why that line of approach for patents is bogus [19:32] Techrights-sec2 the sarcasm doesn't come through in """From an EPO managerial perspective ..." [19:32] Techrights-sec2 so perhaps a more negative description could be used [19:32] schestowitz-TR yes, thanks, that part was not mine [19:32] schestowitz-TR and I wanted to reword it a bit [19:32] schestowitz-TR I'll work on that later on [19:35] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:49] schestowitz > Notice the blog title changed, the part about the girl just becomes [19:49] schestowitz > "Albania questions unanswered" [19:49] schestowitz > [19:49] schestowitz > As Shuttleworth's name is in the title, it is probably better to avoid [19:49] schestowitz > risk of confusion. [19:50] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:50] Techrights-sec2 CPAN's XML::Feed is not available in Alpine afaik [19:55] Techrights-sec2 HTML::TreeBuilder::XPath is missing too [19:55] schestowitz-TR Can they be compiled? [19:56] Techrights-sec2 not compiled but added manually however, I've never had good luck with mixing [19:56] Techrights-sec2 and matching like that; some extra planning will be necessary [19:57] schestowitz-TR there's always a way [19:57] schestowitz-TR but getting there takes a lot of effort the first time around [19:57] schestowitz-TR for centos, for instance, tmux wa s binary from a third-party source ● Jul 22 [20:37] schestowitz-TR [20:33] https://atlasvpn.com/blog/microsoft-office-flaws-exploited-in-nearly-80-of-malware-attacks [20:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-atlasvpn.com | Microsoft Office flaws exploited in nearly 80% of malware attacks - Atlas VPN [20:37] schestowitz-TR [20:33] The only gun in Illinois that's really practical if you're going to use it for self-defense is one small enough to conceal. [20:37] schestowitz-TR [20:33] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- atlasvpn.com | Microsoft Office flaws exploited in nearly 80% of malware attacks - Atlas VPN [20:37] Techrights-sec2 tryign some things but will have to continue tomorrow once there is a chance [20:37] Techrights-sec2 for a pause [20:44] schestowitz-TR i thought you might wish to save this reference [20:44] schestowitz-TR as it supports something you oftentimes utter whereas the media seldom mentions [20:49] Techrights-sec2 thanks [20:55] Techrights-sec2 done wrestling with CPAN for now. some progress made but hopefully not a [20:55] Techrights-sec2 mess at the same time [20:55] schestowitz-TR 0/ ● Jul 22 [21:05] DaemonFC schestowitz That's a pitfall of LibreOffice too. [21:05] DaemonFC It implements Microsoft macros. [21:05] DaemonFC So a fair deal of viruses can run in that too! [21:05] schestowitz-TR iirc, off by default [21:06] schestowitz-TR micerosoft thought about uit [21:06] schestowitz-TR then changed its mind [21:06] DaemonFC Yes, it's off by default in LibreOffice. [21:06] DaemonFC So it would require (1) a bit of effort to "port" the malware to attack a GNU/Linux system and (2) social engineering to get the user to take a non-default action to run it. [21:06] DaemonFC Which is a lot better at least. [21:07] DaemonFC Too close for comfort. [21:07] DaemonFC I use AbiWord when I can get away with it, which is usually, and often save it to Rich Text Format. [21:07] DaemonFC Which Microsoft stopped updating in 2006. [21:08] DaemonFC The structure of RTF is not great, but it's not OOXML or Binary Document formats either. [21:08] DaemonFC The Register wrote an entire article on how Word would often leak out earlier drafts of the file that contained things that the author changed their mind about, or thought that they redacted. 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