●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, August 22, 2022 ●● ● Aug 22 [00:14] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.it/financialtaxnow/status/1561281406923415552#m [00:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Wasilios Katsioulis, offline (@financialtaxnow): "Dr. Roy Schestowitz where reporting about those licencerelated crimes within an illegal @CIA Program from 2012 till 2016 but suddenly stopped reporting in december 2016 - also Poisoned? @PreetBharara @IntlCrimCourt @CIA https://twitter.com/schestowilz?s=11&t=whaaksMtfiqFsPPLALuNtg"|nitter.it ● Aug 22 [01:53] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) ● Aug 22 [02:06] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 22 [03:52] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:52] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[04:37] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:37] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [04:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [04:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 22 [06:18] Techrights-sec 63e8a40..efad411 [06:18] Techrights-sec see http://news.tuxmachines.org/old//node/21601 [06:18] Techrights-sec a lot of the old site has been copied already, just the CSS is off [06:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Missing content type. Ignoring. [06:56] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:56] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:57] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [06:58] *rianne (~rianne@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:58] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-vjf.peq.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:58] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 22 [07:00] schestowitz-TR2 gm [07:00] schestowitz-TR2 productive night [07:01] schestowitz-TR2 but my alarm failed to work 2 nights in a row [07:01] schestowitz-TR2 no big deal, sleep is healthy [07:01] schestowitz-TR2 I was thinking, if we convert camelcase in "readon" into "title", then adding something similar in gemini should be easy and done [07:01] schestowitz-TR2 in the same loop [07:01] schestowitz-TR2 so though I'm tempted to do this at my end, would take like 2 mins, it would not cover rianne's links [07:01] schestowitz-TR2 last night I checked the image uploader again [07:01] Techrights-sec gm [07:01] Techrights-sec yes. still thinking about workflow, however [07:01] Techrights-sec there are about 1000 hosts missing from the list atm [07:01] Techrights-sec tm covers a different constellation of sites than tr [07:03] schestowitz-TR2 during that same pass maybe links in can also have site name added in some way, maybe like in TR [07:03] schestowitz-TR2 Site name: Two Years Later COVID-19 Has Only Gotten More Infectious and Widespread https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/22/two-years-later-covid-19-has-only-gotten-more-infectious-and-widespread/ [08:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Two Years Later COVID-19 Has Only Gotten More Infectious and Widespread [08:35] Techrights-sec ack ● Aug 22 [09:11] schestowitz-TR2 if it makes you feel any better (it does make me), people have become extremely cynical about MSM [09:11] schestowitz-TR2 a poll in the US showed how severe this has become [09:11] schestowitz-TR2 and it's not a "wing" thing [09:11] schestowitz-TR2 it's a class thing [09:11] schestowitz-TR2 people recognise who owns large publishera and misuses that ownhership [09:12] Techrights-sec Cynicism is not enough, it only drives people into social control media where they then become victim to better organized disinformation campaigns [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 after years of "herding" (correct term) the "masses" (like cattle) into social control media I think there's an awakening about its perils too [09:13] Techrights-sec yes, among some small subset of older adults, but not among younger adults or [09:13] Techrights-sec youth [09:14] schestowitz-TR2 so this is an area which needs working on [09:14] schestowitz-TR2 we have a lot of new "young blood" in techrights IRC [09:14] schestowitz-TR2 people aged under 18, who use IRC [09:15] schestowitz-TR2 they also use the network for secure private comms [09:15] Techrights-sec excellent [09:15] Techrights-sec IRC is not secure in any way, shape, or form [09:16] schestowitz-TR2 ours uses ssl, but they don't use e2ee [09:16] schestowitz-TR2 having said that, they rely on us not snooping on them [09:16] schestowitz-TR2 their isp cannot decipher things afaik [09:16] Techrights-sec that's not sufficient :( [09:16] Techrights-sec though it might help [09:16] schestowitz-TR2 of course also no web-based [09:16] schestowitz-TR2 you don't know what the server and/or the js do [09:18] Techrights-sec all bets are off if it goes through a web browser, the laundry list of [09:18] Techrights-sec compromised certificates which can be used to MitM the connection is quite [09:18] Techrights-sec long and the, as you remind, there is javascript [09:20] schestowitz-TR2 some haxor complained that the ssl is done with LE for IRC [09:20] schestowitz-TR2 I get his point [09:20] schestowitz-TR2 aka "techuser" [09:20] schestowitz-TR2 he brought many people his age group to irc [09:34] schestowitz-TR2 --- [09:34] schestowitz-TR2 thanks for improving url.sh, I've copied that to the working dir and tested [09:34] schestowitz-TR2 specifying dimensions is hard [09:34] schestowitz-TR2 when you just do it the quick and dirty [09:34] schestowitz-TR2 not automated [09:34] schestowitz-TR2 way [09:34] schestowitz-TR2 it does help get the page layout correct the first time around, before knowing anything about image in situ [09:35] Techrights-sec ack [09:35] Techrights-sec np [09:36] schestowitz-TR2 now, to improve the site, let's add proprietary font [09:36] schestowitz-TR2 2MB of glyphs [09:36] schestowitz-TR2 for all the unicide and emojis [09:36] schestowitz-TR2 to improve those 200KB pages :-) [09:36] schestowitz-TR2 "web3000" [09:36] Techrights-sec ack [09:37] schestowitz-TR2 [09:37] schestowitz-TR2 even the EU government sites do this BS [09:38] schestowitz-TR2 and regulators warned them to at least host these fonts locally [09:38] schestowitz-TR2 I don't see why browsers should be in the font business [09:38] schestowitz-TR2 for GIMP, OK... you work in raster space [09:44] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [09:51] Techrights-sec Browsers should /not/ be in the typeface business. That is a very old sore [09:51] Techrights-sec point [09:51] Techrights-sec The web is for content not layout [09:51] Techrights-sec constrained layout is anathema to accessibility and, to a certain extent, [09:51] Techrights-sec usability [09:51] Techrights-sec The more the end user loses control over the presentation and rendering, [09:51] Techrights-sec the worse the accessibility and usability. [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 nowadays browsers are also pdf viewers [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 I never understoof why firefox wished to maintain a whole pdf engine inside their binaries [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 security aspects aside [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 there are also additional libs you need at runtime [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 then there's the whole video playback mode (like outside the browser) [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 thatg's like mplayer [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 I was about to type earlier (but did not) that in education they need to introduce some penalties for students who extend and extend software to [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 the point where the extensions cannot justidy the cost [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 a lot of projkects die this way [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 Flash use to run ok on a few megabytes or ram and most cpu [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 in the early shockwave days too [09:54] schestowitz-TR2 mid 90s [09:55] schestowitz-TR2 modest single-code cpu and *few MBss OF RAM. [09:55] schestowitz-TR2 *core [09:57] Techrights-sec yes, that is also inappropriate so is using the browse as a VM [09:57] Techrights-sec ack ● Aug 22 [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 wget drupal/org ... downloads ... x.x.zip | unzip ... | cd x.x. | ls -la | wc -l [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 how many is that by now, not even counting any extensions? [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 without them, not much functionality is even available [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 and verison x+1.x will break compatibility [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 sometimes the schema too becomes obsolete [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 within a few years [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 you cannot run sites for 20 years llike this [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 susan moaned that each "upgrade" in drupal was like starting all over again [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 because old things were no longer compatible [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 also, there's no upgrade route, esp. not if you leap 2 versions at a time [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 like 6->8 [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 9 is already out, I think [10:01] schestowitz-TR2 wordpress is at 6.0.x now (like Linux this autumn [10:01] schestowitz-TR2 in my sites I never even touched 4.x [10:01] schestowitz-TR2 3.9.x has LTS status [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 a mantra I always loved: "NEWER IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER" [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 it's newer [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 better? subjective [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 my sister struggled a lot after being pushed to move from Debian 10 to 11 [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 I told her to keep resisting [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 she managed for about 6 months [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 the "upgrade" meant a lot of things she was accustomed to no longer workjed [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 not necessarily Debian's faulyt [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 but "third parties" [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 they keep using "security" to compel endless upgrade [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 instead they should study how to improve security and harden/lock down stuff [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 cURL's (GitHub) Daniel has just mentioned the many CVEs [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 a blog post from this morning [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 I wonder how many of these are due to feature-churn systemd-style [10:08] mjg59_ Step one to reduce the need to update software because of security issues is to stop writing things in C [10:13] Techrights-sec haven't checked at that level of detail there [10:13] schestowitz-TR2 the new matilda as dead as assange [10:13] schestowitz-TR2 not officially, but mia [10:13] schestowitz-TR2 among other such sites [10:13] schestowitz-TR2 thediossenter for example [10:13] schestowitz-TR2 lots of wikileaks-themed sites died [10:13] schestowitz-TR2 not much left to write [10:14] Techrights-sec :( [10:14] Techrights-sec it was good while it lasted [10:16] schestowitz-TR2 now we have cnn "journalism" about "sales" in chipotle [10:16] schestowitz-TR2 you may seen i today's irc logs [10:16] schestowitz-TR2 *in [10:16] schestowitz-TR2 the ads became "news" [10:16] schestowitz-TR2 and "news" became censored [10:16] schestowitz-TR2 i asked eff why no coverage on epo [10:16] schestowitz-TR2 now that we have leaks about their swpats strategt [10:16] Techrights-sec not yet [10:16] Techrights-sec yes that has been a growing trend [10:16] schestowitz-TR2 I will chase again later [10:16] schestowitz-TR2 we basically became china [10:16] schestowitz-TR2 just not by name [10:24] Techrights-sec in practice [10:24] Techrights-sec I hope the EFF can be persuaded to resume coverage of and fights against [10:24] Techrights-sec software patents [10:24] Techrights-sec It looks like a matter of misplaced priorities and poor or absent long term [10:24] Techrights-sec strategies [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 seems to be a business-minded strategy [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 like LF [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 not barking up the "wrong" trees [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 instead reaching out for low-hanging fruit on the branch [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 like women's rights [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 women are impacted by tech issues [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 but tech issues are not gendered or race-related [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 tech in general harms society if misused [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 painting their activism as protecting the vulnerable MINORITIES and WOMEN means they add another layer of division [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 where none was needed [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 you now see dumb techdirt doing trump this trump that [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 as if certain tech issues are a trump thing [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 or ssociating stuff like proprietary voting machines with "election deniers" [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 or protecting GAFAM from "republicans" [10:28] Techrights-sec aka a sellingo-out strategy [10:28] Techrights-sec an sw patents too [10:28] Techrights-sec from here it looks like the race and gender issues are being used as a [10:28] Techrights-sec distraction to prevent criticism for having veered off track from more serious [10:28] Techrights-sec goals [10:28] Techrights-sec ALL > MOST > MANY > SOME > A FEW [10:28] Techrights-sec if trump were to accidently leak some gas that made a sound similar to [10:28] Techrights-sec a position on software patents, there are two significant populations which [10:28] Techrights-sec would dig in around that. One for, one against, and completely ignore any [10:28] Techrights-sec facts or data. For them, the issues exist only as political footballs and [10:28] Techrights-sec not as problems to solve or goals to acheive. [10:29] schestowitz-TR2 the british championed these strategies [10:29] schestowitz-TR2 but likely did not pioneered them [10:29] schestowitz-TR2 even a child could come up with it [10:29] schestowitz-TR2 no need for a bernays or a stalin [10:35] Techrights-sec ack [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 curious all those articles so suddenlt ybaout water leaks in the UK [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 see? [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 it's not an overpop[ulation issue [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 blame the pipes [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 there's enougbh water [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 enough rain [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 the gardens don't need watering MORE [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 it's the pipes [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 also, maybe instead of making pipes for bombs we should install newers pipes underground [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 but this blame-shifting annoys me a great deal [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 why ALL OF A SUDDENT they worry about pipe leaks? [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 I hear the same in other countries [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 pipe leake pipe leaks [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 if there were just 5 milllion people in england it would hardly even matter [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 and gardens were not yellowing due to a scortching hear [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 heat [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 with people desperate to save their plants [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 one strange measure I saw hours ago was, [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 the leaked water could water like 5 BILLION gardens.... fro 15 MINUTES [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 what a bizarre measure [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 why 15 minutes [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 expand to 24 hours [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 and then the number does not seem as big [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 I smell a rat, and while SOME of the media says "climate" nobody talks about overpopulation, overconsumption ● Aug 22 [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 hrights-news> PATHETIC: our government outsourced "Excess mortality in England analysis" to criminals (Microsoft) from another continent and it is proprietary. Are moles in government responsible for this? https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/excess-mortality-in-england-and-english-regions [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- Excess mortality in England and English regions - GOV.UK [11:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Excess mortality in England and English regions - GOV.UK [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 It has now been a month and a half since this WEEKLY thing was last updated. They stopped publishing where there was a SURGE in COVID-19-linked deaths. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2021-to-2022 [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- Weekly all-cause mortality surveillance: 2021 to 2022 - GOV.UK [11:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Weekly all-cause mortality surveillance: 2021 to 2022 - GOV.UK [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 is it OK to link to the git part of gemini.tm? afaik, there are no sensitive things like keys in there [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 it updates routinely on its own, using cron job in root and gemini [11:13] Techrights-sec overconsumption and overpopulation are exacerbated by the climate crisis [11:13] Techrights-sec pakistan and nigeria are some of the worst examples, though indonesia is catching up [11:13] Techrights-sec most of the middle east vastly exceeded its carrying capacity decades ago [11:13] Techrights-sec the petrochemical money is only delaying their collapse and worsening it [11:13] Techrights-sec when it does happen [11:35] schestowitz-TR2 to see what happens: [11:35] schestowitz-TR2 crontab -l -u root [11:35] schestowitz-TR2 and crontab -l -u gemini [11:35] schestowitz-TR2 gemini does not directly interact with git [11:35] schestowitz-TR2 as you said multi-tenanted git users on the same machine leads to chaos [11:47] Techrights-sec checking [11:47] Techrights-sec why is list-git-files.sh root only? [11:47] Techrights-sec It could run as gemini:gemtext no proble AFAIK [11:47] Techrights-sec root should *not* run stuff out of /var/www/tuxmachines.org/bin/ [11:47] Techrights-sec so I would suggest 1) running it out of /usr/local/bin and 2) run it as gemini [11:48] schestowitz-TR2 yes, I figured you'd shuffle these around a bit [11:48] schestowitz-TR2 as root is not needed for webadmin-level stuff [11:48] schestowitz-TR2 the cron job too can be moved ● Aug 22 [12:21] Techrights-sec ok [12:23] schestowitz-TR2 copycats of TM existed ages ago [12:23] schestowitz-TR2 they lack the capacity and tooling [12:23] schestowitz-TR2 so they cannot 'compete' [12:23] schestowitz-TR2 with drupal at the door we can actually improve tooling [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 Bringing the BLOAT of WWW to your desktop. Dumb idea. You end up like "phones" that now need 4 cores to do something similar, and which needs a recharge every few hours. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk4/+bug/1949299 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=994944 [12:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-bugs.launchpad.net | Bug #1949299 gtk4-broadwayd missing in libgtk-4-bin 4.4 (impish... : Bugs : gtk4 package : Ubuntu [12:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-bugs.debian.org | #994944 - libgtk-4-bin: gtk4-broadwayd not available - Debian Bug report logs [12:43] Techrights-sec ack [12:43] Techrights-sec It's moved to /usr/local/bin now; I suppose it should be checked into Git [12:43] Techrights-sec eventually. [12:45] schestowitz-TR2 thank you, excellent stuff [12:45] schestowitz-TR2 I just wanted to get some sort of proof of concept in place [12:45] schestowitz-TR2 like I said last night, busybox implementation of find meant [12:45] schestowitz-TR2 I had to change the steps a bit [12:45] schestowitz-TR2 I wonder if this find program will make it hard to cull directories for particular days when there are archives [12:45] schestowitz-TR2 it's a very crude and simplistic (incomplete) program [12:49] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Aug 22 [13:12] schestowitz-TR2 Hiding the Reports to Hide the Bodies (That 'Pile Up High') https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/22/piling-up-high/ [13:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Hiding the Reports to Hide the Bodies (That Pile Up High) [13:28] Techrights-sec ack ● Aug 22 [14:50] schestowitz-TR2 draft [14:50] schestowitz-TR2 could not help myself [14:51] schestowitz-TR2 he's upping the doses [14:51] schestowitz-TR2 nmever mind, finalising [14:54] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [14:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:58] Techrights-sec ack ● Aug 22 [15:18] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:20] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 22 [16:10] schestowitz-TR2 draft [16:10] schestowitz-TR2 ops, wrong image [16:10] schestowitz-TR2 wait.. [16:10] Techrights-sec checking [16:10] Techrights-sec just noticed, the caption does not match the graphic [16:10] Techrights-sec the rate of change is as important as the current ratio [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 corrtected images [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 you can download the data as csv from the link given there, then use libreoffice calc for extrapolations [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 I'm not that good at calc [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 took me a while to find just a way to sort by column, numerically... [16:12] Techrights-sec ok checking [16:12] Techrights-sec do you have the link handy? [16:13] schestowitz__[TR] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/russian-federation/#monthly-202202-202208 [16:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Russian Federation | Statcounter Global Stats [16:13] schestowitz__[TR] Download date (URL) [16:13] schestowitz-TR2 *data [16:21] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:22] Techrights-sec thanks [16:22] Techrights-sec for the last six months, it has been declining at about 1.3% per month, but [16:22] Techrights-sec picking up speed [16:23] Techrights-sec s/at about/at a rate of about/ [16:23] Techrights-sec OS X is approximately stable, iOS is growing ever so slightly and Android [16:23] Techrights-sec growing a bit more [16:23] Techrights-sec s/more/faster/ [16:23] Techrights-sec Plain GNU/Linux is more or less stable [16:29] schestowitz-TR2 I've meanwhile added two more paragraphs [16:29] schestowitz-TR2 I find spreadsheet software GUIs a bit overwhelming [16:29] schestowitz-TR2 for some functionality [16:29] schestowitz-TR2 rianne has the same issue [16:29] schestowitz-TR2 you know what you want but not how to do it [16:29] schestowitz-TR2 can the curve fitting simulate trends based on some mathematical models? [16:29] schestowitz-TR2 I guess not [16:29] Techrights-sec R is better for stats than LibreOffice, for the most part but more complex [16:29] Techrights-sec and with only six data points, there is not much enough to estimate a larger [16:29] Techrights-sec trend [16:30] schestowitz-TR2 politics is a special factor too [16:30] schestowitz-TR2 and we don't know what happens next year [16:32] schestowitz-TR2 less market share [16:32] schestowitz-TR2 lower budget [16:33] schestowitz-TR2 fewer stuff [16:33] schestowitz-TR2 lower bribes [16:33] schestowitz-TR2 competing mole [16:33] schestowitz-TR2 go back to top (less market share) [16:33] schestowitz-TR2 death spiral [16:33] schestowitz-TR2 /s stuff/ staff/ [16:33] Techrights-sec https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/russian-federation#monthly-202108-202208 [16:33] Techrights-sec going back a year the rate of decline was slower. so as mentioned the [16:33] Techrights-sec decline is accelrating [16:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Russian Federation | Statcounter Global Stats [16:35] schestowitz-TR2 if they announce vista 12, 13, 14 every summer [16:35] schestowitz-TR2 it'll kill them [16:35] schestowitz-TR2 too many builds/codebases to maintain [16:35] schestowitz-TR2 assurance of low quality [16:35] schestowitz-TR2 I posted links to that effect this morning [16:35] schestowitz-TR2 edge is also not sustainable [16:35] Techrights-sec people are used to the low quality and tolerate it getting worse with each [16:35] Techrights-sec new release [16:35] Techrights-sec edge is just a repackaging of chromium with some proprietary M$-only additions [16:37] schestowitz-TR2 thought: the unfortunate side effect of oem strangelehold is, [16:37] schestowitz-TR2 people come to think of "phones" as stable [16:37] schestowitz-TR2 and abandon the desktop altogether [16:37] schestowitz-TR2 macs are too expensive [16:37] schestowitz-TR2 chromos is too limiting... tor clown OS [16:37] schestowitz-TR2 soo instead of exploring desktops that run OK for 300 days [16:37] schestowitz-TR2 they move to skinnerboxes [16:37] schestowitz-TR2 from one trap to another [16:37] schestowitz-TR2 s/tor/toy/ ● Aug 22 [17:04] psydroid2 vista 12, 13, 14 etc. [17:04] psydroid2 none of them will get any adoption [17:04] psydroid2 people are reluctant to even move to vista 11 [17:13] schestowitz-TR2 right [17:13] schestowitz-TR2 there's an issue [17:14] schestowitz-TR2 they killed the hype [17:14] schestowitz-TR2 of new OS [17:14] schestowitz-TR2 now they just called service packs "new OS" [17:14] schestowitz-TR2 and nobody gets excited [17:14] schestowitz-TR2 it's like beta testing [17:14] Techrights-sec phones are being pushed from several directions and have the unfortunate [17:14] Techrights-sec characteristic of being far less secure than even M$ products [17:14] Techrights-sec then on top of that you have both the phone UI and the "apps" it runs [17:14] Techrights-sec acting as skinner boxes [17:15] schestowitz-TR2 draft [17:15] schestowitz-TR2 summary intentionally blank ● Aug 22 [18:21] schestowitz-TR2 Spent a long time search in vain for any data on gitlab and github losing/gaining market share as chart. You'd think with all that "fake" "media" out there someone would have researched this already, but there seem to be no comparative measurements at all. They all fake it. PR and secret data to secure the PR. [18:21] schestowitz-TR2 There is hardly tech media anymore. PR and marketing operations that call themselves "media companies" aren't media companies but advertisers, sellouts. They literally lie, even intentionally, for companies and orgs. [18:21] schestowitz-TR2 (NEW): Mozilla Firefox 104 Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Mozilla_Firefox_104_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Mozilla_Firefox_104_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.gmi [18:21] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Mozilla Firefox 104 Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New [18:21] schestowitz-TR2 -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Mozilla Firefox 104 Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New [18:21] schestowitz-TR2 Even when you give the media breaking stories or exclusive info these days they turn it down because "it's a lot of work"; more then rewriting press releases (lies)... [18:21] schestowitz-TR2 <-- psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:21] schestowitz-TR2 Today's media isn't just ignoring the corruption or enabling it. It's part of it, it's an active participant. [18:21] schestowitz-TR2 new narratives: you are a bigot supporting trump if you moan about the corrupt media; you are a bigot supporting trump if you moan about the proprietary back-doored voting machines; you are a antivaxxer for moaning about Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein etc. They take legitimate problems end try to associate the critics with extremism. ● Aug 22 [19:01] schestowitz-TR2 (re raspi:) [19:01] schestowitz-TR2 is that still going on, not just in reddit? [19:01] schestowitz-TR2 you can tell them and give links showing that Microsoft commits serious crimes all around thr world [19:01] schestowitz-TR2 and it's inane for raspi to then give Microsoft control over clients' products, more so without telling them [19:01] schestowitz-TR2 no consent [19:01] schestowitz-TR2 but afaik that waas 18 months ago [19:01] schestowitz-TR2 and I saw nothing that suggests they still do that [19:01] schestowitz-TR2 hopefully had enough impact to deter [19:13] schestowitz-TR2 --- [19:13] schestowitz-TR2 protecting criminals from critics se4emas like a tenet of coc [19:19] schestowitz-TR2 I hope we have decent offsite backups of TM and TR [19:19] schestowitz-TR2 not because of technial issues, the disk is not OK, FS also [19:19] schestowitz-TR2 but we made a lot of changes not at the level of DB [19:19] Techrights-sec ack [19:30] starstreak schestowitz-TR2, who are you talking to? [19:30] starstreak it looks like you're having a conversation with yourself [19:31] schestowitz-TR2 no, it's sort of internal discussion [19:31] schestowitz-TR2 but released here for transparency, too [19:31] starstreak fair enough [19:31] starstreak it was making me think that you had other people running your bots [19:32] schestowitz-TR2 the irc bots are manually operated [19:32] schestowitz-TR2 by me [19:33] schestowitz-TR2 development and sysadmin is done by several people [19:36] starstreak good to know [19:41] *schestowitz[TR2] has quit (connection closed) [19:41] *schestowitz[TR] has quit (connection closed) [19:42] *schestowitz[TR] (~schestowitz[TR]@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:43] *schestowitz[TR] has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [19:43] *schestowitz[TR2] (~schestowi@freenode-6q7lf9.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [19:43] *schestowitz[TR2] has quit (Changing host) [19:43] *schestowitz[TR2] (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [19:43] *schestowitz[TR2] (~schestowitz[TR]@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:51] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4t6niigmhchzc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Aug 22 [22:24] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed)