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| schestowitz | >> As is usual, nothing got done today on the migration of the site. Some | Dec 22 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | >> people wait until the deadline is imminent before they bother. Given my | Dec 22 00:38 |
| schestowitz | >> condition today, I am actually relieved not to have this extra stress today. | Dec 22 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > Ok. Rest up and stay hydrated, and get well soon. | Dec 22 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > I have enough space to maybe look at the feasibility of incremental | Dec 22 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > backups soon. However, since these are whole database dumps it may not | Dec 22 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > be an advantage. | Dec 22 00:38 |
| schestowitz | > Sent this two hours ago, hasn't appeared on the FOSDEM list | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > -------- Forwarded Message -------- | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > Subject: Google, FSFE, safety of women and volunteers | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 19:11:09 +0100 | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > From: Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > To: fosdem@lists.fosdem.org | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > Hi all, | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > This month it appears that at least two women (I hope I haven't missed | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > any others) have spoken up about their experiences with Google and FSFE. | Dec 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | > FOSDEM has been accepting money from these organizations and maybe now | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > is the time to reject their sponsorship. For those who don't know, FSFE | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > receives significant[1] funding from Google, a model that has been | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > compared to tobacco industry sock puppets[2]. | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > Timnit Gebru was told to censor[3] a research paper. She refused and | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > she was sacked. She had the courage to speak up. | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > Susanne Eiswirt and Galia Mancheva were the only two female permanent | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > employees at FSFE. According to another courageous blog[4], they spoke | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > about why women are paid less and they were almost immediately fired, | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > both of them. | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > The intimidation described in those blogs is comparable[5] to the | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > intimidation I faced after volunteers decided to elect me as a community | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > representative. As I was never an employee of Google or FSFE, as I was | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > elected, they couldn't sack me. After I resigned, they have been | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > spreading defamation, sabotaging my contributions to other projects like | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > Debian, sending me threats, just as described in Galia's blog. | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > I first met FSFE at FOSDEM. I would hate to see any other visitor or | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > volunteer suffer what Galia and other people, especially women, have | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > described. | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > During my time as fellowship representative, I frequently heard from | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > people who didn't just quit FSFE, they quit free software altogether | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > because their experience with FSFE was so bad. It is the duty of any | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > elected representative to report that. | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > Many free software organizations made a big fuss about banning Jacob | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > Appelbaum yet /not one woman ever took him to court/. While I don't | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > want to deter anybody with a genuine case from speaking up, I'm | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > convinced that at least some of the claims against him appear to be | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > exaggerated[6]. In comparison, multiple women have showed significant | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > courage facing Google and FSFE in the courtroom. Therefore, should | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > Google, FSFE and Matthias Kirschner face the same treatment as Appelbaum | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > and be publicly shamed and excluded at every opportunity? | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > Regards, | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | > Daniel | Dec 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | > -- | Dec 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | > Debian Developer | Dec 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | > https://danielpocock.com | Dec 22 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-danielpocock.com | Daniel Pocock's personal blog | Dec 22 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | > 1. https://fsfe.org/donate/thankgnus.en.html | Dec 22 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfe.org | Our Donors - FSFE | Dec 22 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | > 2. | Dec 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | > https://venturebeat.com/2020/12/11/what-big-tech-and-big-tobacco-research-funding-have-in-common/ | Dec 22 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-venturebeat.com | What Big Tech and Big Tobacco research funding have in common | VentureBeat | Dec 22 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | > 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timnit_Gebru | Dec 22 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Timnit Gebru - Wikipedia | Dec 22 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | > 4. https://write.as/malinagalina/i-took-fsfe-to-court | Dec 22 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-write.as | --------- I took FSFE to court. — malinagalina | Dec 22 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | > 5. | Dec 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | > https://fsfellowship.eu/court-case-fsfe-women-and-volunteers-face-modern-day-slavery/ | Dec 22 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.eu | Court case: Matthias Kirschner, FSFE women and volunteers face modern day slavery | Dec 22 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | > 6. | Dec 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | > https://danielpocock.com/debian-falsified-harassment-claims-appelbaum-expulsion/ | Dec 22 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-danielpocock.com | Debian falsified harassment claims in Appelbaum expulsion | Dec 22 00:44 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Dec 22 02:12 |
| schestowitz | We wish you and your loved ones a Merry Christmas and good health, success, new horizons and happiness in the New Year! | Dec 22 02:12 |
| schestowitz | Have a refreshing and restful winter break, stay healthy and cheerful. See you in January, until then. | Dec 22 02:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 22 02:12 |
| schestowitz | x https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/531044-krebs-us-should-be-cautious-about-escalating-cyber-war-with-russia | Dec 22 08:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-thehill.com | Krebs: US should be 'cautious' about escalating cyber war with Russia | TheHill | Dec 22 08:02 | |
| schestowitz | # microsofters | Dec 22 08:02 |
| schestowitz | <li> | Dec 22 08:04 |
| schestowitz | <h5><a href="https://truthout.org/articles/mothers-are-pushing-to-free-their-children-from-prison-during-covid/">Mothers Are Pushing to Free Their Children From Prison During COVID</a></h5> | Dec 22 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-truthout.org | Mothers Are Pushing to Free Their Children From Prison During COVID | Dec 22 08:04 | |
| schestowitz | </li> | Dec 22 08:04 |
| schestowitz | https://www.mintpressnews.com/bth-propaganda-pandemic-the-craziest-covid-claims-of-the-year/273817/ | Dec 22 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.mintpressnews.com | Propaganda Pandemic: The Craziest COVID Claims Of The Year | Dec 22 08:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.mintpressnews.com/trump-enacts-sweeping-new-sanctions-china-iran-venezuela-biden-promises-come/273811/ | Dec 22 08:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.mintpressnews.com | Trump Enacts Sweeping New Sanctions on China, Iran, Venezuela. Biden Promises More To Come | Dec 22 08:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.mintpressnews.com/a-slap-in-the-face-anger-at-pelosi-democrats-over-paltry-600-stimulus-check/273803/ | Dec 22 08:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.mintpressnews.com | A “Slap in the Face:” Anger at Pelosi, Democrats Over Paltry $600 Stimulus Check | Dec 22 08:34 | |
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| schestowitz | <li> | Dec 22 13:15 |
| schestowitz | <h5><a href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201221/09573745928/congress-once-again-sells-out-to-hollywood-sneaks-case-act-felony-streaming-bill-into-government-funding-omnibus.shtml">Congress (Once Again) Sells Out To Hollywood: Sneaks CASE Act And Felony Streaming Bill Into Government Funding Omnibus</a></h5> | Dec 22 13:15 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.techdirt.com | Congress (Once Again) Sells Out To Hollywood: Sneaks CASE Act And Felony Streaming Bill Into Government Funding Omnibus | Techdirt | Dec 22 13:15 | |
| schestowitz | <blockquote> | Dec 22 13:15 |
| schestowitz | <p>As we warned about earlier this month, it appears that Congress has in fact put two very controversial copyright provisions into the government funding "omnibus" bill that will be voted on later today. As you may have heard, last night Congress worked out a "deal" on both a $900 billion Covid relief/stimulus package and the giant $1.4 trillion omnibus government funding bill, which is being voted on today. There had | Dec 22 13:15 |
| schestowitz | been concerns raised all month about how -- under pressure from Hollywood -- Congress might try to sneak two dangerous copyright provisions and one trademark provision into the omnibus.</p></blockquote></li> | Dec 22 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | Easy, simple-- optional | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | >> I need to think how to approach this. He's a good person, but taking | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > time to think how to respond would be better. | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > I am just trying to leave, Roy. That's all I wanted. I have plenty to | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > say about what I think these "concerned" people are saying about/doing | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > to Stallman, but I won't be writing about it on TR. | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > I already quoted the comments I think are akin to waving me around as a | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > party favour for these trolls, I don't feel good about anything that's | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > happening. I don't think I'm likely mistaken either (nor would I phrase | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > things as I have if I did think so) but I would rather just walk away | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > than go to war with you. | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > My theory is that when I left you expected me to start poisoning the | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > well, and you decided to preempt it. I REALLY can't think of any other | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > explanation for what you're doing. The trust is gone. I'm not looking to | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > rebuild it and I'm not asking you for anything either. The only reason | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > I'm offering this as a potentional solution is to make each of our lives | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > easier. I don't care if makes things easier for you, as long as it does | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > that for me. | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > You don't have to publish what I sent. Maybe you're already doing it | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > while I type this, I don't regret it if that's what's happening. It's | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > already in the logs, otherwise that quote at the top wouldn't be there, | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > right? But if it isn't true or accurate then you don't need to publish it. | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > I've always tried to send you accurate information. My HOPE (in vain) | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > was that if you know better (because everybody knows you know a fuck of | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > a lot, I don't dispute that at all) we would talk and fix up the weaker | Dec 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > parts. That's not your style of publishing and you called it censorship | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > via editing. I was willing to call it collaboration. But it never | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > happened that way. This is relevant to what I'm sending now. | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > I'm very uncomfortable with the major disparity between the things | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > you've said to me in the past and the things you've said after I left. | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > I'm concerned that after years of working really hard to do something | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > beneficial to both you and this movement, you're going to side with | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > people who are conflating attacking Stallman's attackers with attacking | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > Stallman himself! | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > I wouldn't think you're foolish enough to do that-- but since I'm not | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > around, or at least trying to walk away, seriously, It's not my concern | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > if you buy that cheap line they're throwing out. Open Source used to try | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > to own Free Software and then say you were attacking Free Software if | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > you criticised Open Source. It's a familiar pattern, what they appear to | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > be doing. | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > But it doesn't bother me if you disagree, or even if I'm right and | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > (hypothetically) you're not, as long as you're not acting like I'm some | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > troll that walked in to bother TR for a couple of years. Now you say | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > "He's a good person"-- you don't need to say that even, you don't need | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > to throw me a parade as I leave, just don't paint me to be someone you | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > disagree with so much on if that's not really true. | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > I never thought we agreed on everything. I also didn't think we were on | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > opposite sides. You should have mentioned it. Maybe you did? | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > I'm not interested in going to war with you. I don't have the interest | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > and I have better things to do. If you say several things that lead me | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > to feel I need to defend myself, I will-- but I'd rather do it just the | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > once. And of course I know this going in the logs anyway. | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > I don't expect you to not report on things that are relevant, if you | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > need to do so. But I won't have you doing to me what was done to | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > Stallman and Pocock, even if I'm way less important than either of them. | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > When you leave a normal organisation-- I did nothing to make a stink | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > when I left, except to make a couple comments by email that you may | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > disagree with or dislike. By email. I didn't write an article saying | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > Fuck You, Techrights. Even my Fuck You, Roy article says Techrights | Dec 22 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > still has its good points. | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > When you leave a cult, they talk a lot of shit about you when you leave, | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > for their own protection. That's really what this feels like, and the | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > feeling I'm responding to. I don't actually think TR is a cult, nor | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > cult-like. | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > To put it impolitely, but without being unclear, you can simply leave me | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > the fuck out of things and I will gladly be on my way. Again, that isn't | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > a gag order to never mention me again-- that's not realistic in your | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > line of work. If it's news, it's news. Not that I think I'm that important. | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > I still read the logs. I don't wish to stay. Don't poison the well on | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > the way out (Mincer is absolutely free to think I'm nuts, with the data | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > he has to work with I don't know how he would think otherwise. "i don't | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > understand him" is fucking *charitable* right now.) | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > But cmon, look at Stallman a minute. This may sound REALLY unfair, but | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > it isn't at all. We get misunderstood, we have bad days-- this is not in | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > relation to what I just sent you, it's about the rest of it. | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > If you aren't trying to sell me out and drag me through the mud, then | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > just don't do that, and I will be on my way. | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > I have what I consider good reason to think you were doing so-- my | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > response is already in the logs and if you're really hellbent on doing | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > so you can publish it, but the only reason I wrote it was in | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > self-defence. If that self-defence isn't needed, then the article isn't | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > needed. Just don't drag me through the mud. | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > Some people are simple enough to say "but you tried to"-- no, I only | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > talked about what was happening to me, and what I firmly believe it was | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > really about. I told one person I left, but I didn't say way, and I | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > didn't tell anybody else. | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > It's sort of a circular argument, I admit-- but if you don't plan to | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > spend the next few weeks smearing me to gain the trust of these | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > so-called Stallman supporters, then I don't need to defend myself from | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > you abusing your position that way, do I? | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | > The way I see it, the ball is in your court. | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > But realise that I'm eager to put distance between us. Not so I can | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > cause you problems, or you can cause them for me. | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > It's your choice, Roy. I'm sure that sounds either defiant or | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > unreasonable, but I encourage you to take it more literally and less | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > like I'm implying something other than exactly what I just said. | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > It's your choice. Or as the license said: You just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > WANT TO. | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > I hope the main point of this email gets across, which is that my | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > PREFERENCE is to leave you and Techrights the fuck alone, and I would | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > also like you to return the favour, within reason. | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > Some people will surely read that and say "he's saying he will bother | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > you if"-- Roy, I'm already "bothering" you. You say you're looking for | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > "how to respond". It's not euphemistic when I say that if you're looking | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > for the best way to respond, the best way is to just leave me the fuck | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > alone. It's not me trying to intimidate a group of people larger than | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > myself when I say that I'd be *more than happy* to return the favour. | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > I'm not looking for war here, unless you're adamant about it. | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > The point, of course, is that was my intention before-- to walk away, | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > and leave you alone. But I think you were being dishonest and unfair. | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > Was it unintentional? That's better. I *still* think it was dishonest | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > and unfair. | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > I intend to be done here. I'd prefer sooner, rather than later. I really | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > hope that if you also prefer sooner, I've given you enough to go on that | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > you can simply leave me out of this. That works for me. | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > Not interested in fighting Techrights, just interested in the door. If | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > you want to keep me around, give me something I really have to respond to. | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > I'd rather just go, Roy. But you hold the cards, here. What do you want | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > to do? I'd rather you show it than tell me. Maybe I just think I've got | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > your number because I'm burnt out and tired. But Roy, neither of us | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > thinks I'm that stupid, do we? Whether I'm mistaken or not. | Dec 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | > Do WTF, like the license says. I don't want to talk about it, I just | Dec 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | > want to go. It's been real. In the future if/when I criticise the fucked | Dec 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | > up things the FSF does, I will do it somewhere else so you can say "He | Dec 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | > doesn't even write guest articles for us anymore. He doesn't even talk | Dec 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | > to us anymore". Everybody wins. | Dec 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | > https://genius.com/John-lennon-and-yoko-ono-happy-xmas-war-is-over-lyrics <https://genius.com/John-lennon-and-yoko-ono-happy-xmas-war-is-over-lyrics> | Dec 22 18:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-genius.com | John Lennon & Yoko Ono – Happy Xmas (War Is Over) Lyrics | Genius Lyrics | Dec 22 18:04 | |
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