●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Sunday, May 23, 2021 ●● ● May 23 [00:15] schestowitz [23:47] hi [00:15] schestowitz [23:49] since i would need an account to post a comment on your site i made a little research for you about pia here [00:15] schestowitz [23:49] https://privatebin.net/?d828224370fd1012#7FL3dMhUhvyCuSGz6Lom3SKNUiCwpVouXfdLUav5mcGH [00:15] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-privatebin.net | PrivateBin [00:15] schestowitz [23:54] looking into it now [00:15] schestowitz [23:57] "9.Another thing to consider is that before acquisition, Private Internet Access was in debt of over $32 million." [00:15] schestowitz [23:57] This one is interesting [00:15] schestowitz [23:59] a lot of the guilt here is by association [00:15] schestowitz [23:59] so need to be a bit careful [00:15] schestowitz [00:00] next thing you know people will call FSF bad things for taking PIA money [00:15] schestowitz [00:00] the parent company is a cause for concern [00:15] schestowitz [00:01] yeah. i don't buy this hostile takeover nonsense but be careful. to me andrew seems like a business man who thinks like a business man [00:15] schestowitz [00:03] much of the rest if less relevant to me (than the owner) [00:15] schestowitz [00:03] or disputes over VPN battles online [00:15] schestowitz [00:03] very common among search engines too [00:15] schestowitz [00:03] it's not about making someone look guilty by association it's more like getting an idea of what to expect from someone who does business with scumbags [00:15] schestowitz [00:04] Kape? [00:15] schestowitz [00:04] or PIA? [00:15] schestowitz [00:04] kape and mark karpeles [00:16] schestowitz [00:04] no-one can defend that [00:16] schestowitz [00:07] the bribery thing is very old [00:16] schestowitz [00:07] he was about 25 [00:16] schestowitz [00:07] looking into karpeles [00:16] schestowitz [00:08] dude. the bribery thing is just a trivia [00:16] schestowitz [00:08] Kape buys lots of shitty software/malware stuff [00:16] schestowitz [00:09] karpeles is CTO now? [00:16] schestowitz [00:10] yes [00:16] schestowitz [00:11] since 2018/9 [00:16] schestowitz [00:12] the concern is that wealth is being faked [00:16] schestowitz [00:12] and lavish lifestyle with expensive mansions and all [00:16] schestowitz [00:13] i'll keep that in mind, thanks [00:16] schestowitz [00:14] interesting.. [00:16] schestowitz [00:14] ok [00:43] schestowitz [00:29] the thing here is.. you cannot claim to care about end user privacy if you have no problem with selling your company to scammers and data miners [00:43] schestowitz [00:30] tbh i expect sketchy shit on freenode in that regard [00:43] schestowitz [00:30] Kape owns lots of things [00:43] schestowitz [00:30] if we cherry-pick, then yes, it looks bad [00:43] schestowitz [00:30] like gambling and malware [00:43] schestowitz [00:31] worst case scenario, IRC is less private, but IRC was never a privacy protocol [00:43] schestowitz [00:33] that's not the point [00:43] schestowitz [00:34] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Sagi#Kape_Technologies_plc [00:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Teddy Sagi - Wikipedia [00:43] schestowitz [00:35] yeah check the malwarebytes link [00:43] schestowitz [00:36] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Internet_Access [00:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Private Internet Access - Wikipedia [00:43] schestowitz [00:36] "On November 18, 2019, Private Internet Access announced that it would be merged into Kape Technologies, which operates two competing VPN services, Cyberghost and Zenmate.[9] Some users objected to the acquisition, as Kape (under its former name, Crossrider) previously developed browser toolbars bundled with potentially unwanted programs.[5]" [00:43] schestowitz [00:37] yeah what a schizophrenic situation [00:43] schestowitz [00:37] you mine data with one company [00:43] schestowitz [00:37] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Journal [00:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Linux Journal - Wikipedia [00:43] schestowitz [00:37] "However, on January 1, 2018, it announced that it was rescued by Private Internet Access/London Trust Mediawhich shares similar valuesand that the magazine plans to grow:[11] According to editor-in-chief Doc Searls: "Linux Journal should be to Linux what National Geographic is to geography and The New Yorker is to New Yorkmeaning about much more than the title alone suggests."[12]" [00:43] schestowitz [00:37] and protect data with the second one [00:43] schestowitz [00:37] a bit like startpage/system1 [00:43] schestowitz [00:38] what would be their 'endgame' re IRC? [00:43] schestowitz [00:38] hard to envision standing to gain anything by burying it [00:43] schestowitz [00:39] i expect that andrew will try to monetize the platform somehow [00:43] schestowitz [00:39] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21612488 [00:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.ycombinator.com | PIA: Our Merger with Kape Technologies Addressing Your Concerns | Hacker News [00:43] schestowitz [00:39] which will fail [00:43] schestowitz [00:39] and the network will slowly succumb into irrelevancy [00:43] schestowitz [00:40] nothing to gain from such an outcome [00:43] schestowitz [00:41] I think they just use IRC to promote PIA [00:43] schestowitz [00:41] the open source projects are leaving, and once the prestige of the network is gone and he realizes he can't make money with it either [00:43] schestowitz [00:41] he will not fund it anymore [00:43] schestowitz [00:41] few left [00:43] schestowitz [00:41] some think aboyt it [00:43] schestowitz [00:42] that's wishful thinking. lots of them left [00:43] schestowitz [00:42] I saw few [00:43] schestowitz [00:42] anyway, I g2g [00:43] schestowitz [00:42] speak later ● May 23 [01:11] schestowitz >> There was a temporary issue, also with Twitter exports. Is it OK now? [01:11] schestowitz > Yeah, I see posts from you again. Phew! [01:11] schestowitz > [01:11] schestowitz > I'm glad it was just a software glitch. [01:24] schestowitz " [01:24] schestowitz Been following you on fediverse for a while, and also on techright. 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It might be that self-signed certs [06:45] Techrights-sec are not really supported any longer by Google [06:46] Techrights-sec NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID [06:47] schestowitz__ [13:55] migrating from billsez to nadellasez? :> [06:47] schestowitz__ well spotted there. [06:47] schestowitz__ The writer is a longtime Microsoft shill [06:47] schestowitz__ he used to be in VentureBeat IIRC [06:50] Techrights-sec CNBC also had a similar puff piece. I guess they are going to shift [06:50] Techrights-sec to Satya from Bill. I wonder if the move is temporary. [06:50] Techrights-sec \ ● May 23 [07:42] schestowitz__ " [07:42] schestowitz__ I have checked everyone in past and present logs, seeing that no 5xx errors were emitted, but then again I also checked CloudFlare everywhere, seeing that about 95% of the traffic comes from there, not the xxxxx servers. [07:42] schestowitz__ Upon investigation I found that https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/115003011431-Troubleshooting-Cloudflare-5XX-errors [07:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-support.cloudflare.com | Troubleshooting Cloudflare 5XX errors Cloudflare Help Center [07:42] schestowitz__ which leads to https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200172476#h_4b8753c8-f422-4c74-9e8e-07026c4da730 [07:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-support.cloudflare.com | Contacting Cloudflare Support Cloudflare Help Center [07:42] schestowitz__ This might in fact be a support issue with Cloudflare. The issue might in fact be at their end. [07:42] schestowitz__ Maybe we should further exclude Cloudflare for logged in admins or the admin stuff/section? [07:42] schestowitz__ It's hard to diagnose unless Cloudflare gives us access to any logs. I tried for ages to find "Error Analytics", which is apparently under their Support section somewhere. [07:42] schestowitz__ I will carry on trying things for a while... [07:42] schestowitz__ " [07:42] schestowitz__ (from work [07:42] schestowitz__ cloudflare is a mess [07:42] schestowitz__ too opaque [07:42] schestowitz__ outsourced hosting [07:49] schestowitz__ " [07:49] schestowitz__ Good morning, [07:49] schestowitz__ I've investigated this at the AWS back end and at Cloudflare. It seems possible that this boils down to the CDN/proxy having internal issues reaching the back end properly because at the back end we cannot see any 5xx responses (in the past few days). [07:49] schestowitz__ When you are presented with "Error 500" is it a Cloudflare-themed page (with green and red rounds, ticks and Xs) or something else? [07:49] schestowitz__ " ● May 23 [08:22] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [08:23] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [08:23] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [08:23] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 23 [09:19] Techrights-sec https://nitter.cc/CellMessenger/status/1396345366224805888#m [09:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.cc | Messenger Cell (@CellMessenger): "the gates bullshit philanthropy organisation exposed for what it really is - a tax avoidant control network to reshape all our lives http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique" | nitter [09:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [09:57] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) ● May 23 [10:06] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [10:08] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 23 [11:51] *saint_dogbert (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #boycottnovell [11:54] *phobos has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) ● May 23 [12:14] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:14] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:28] *acerbox has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:38] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [12:38] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [12:45] *libertybox (~schestowi@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:ec0b:4314:6405:4c1a) has joined #boycottnovell [12:45] *acer-box (~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:ec0b:4314:6405:4c1a) has joined #boycottnovell [12:45] *acer-box has quit (Changing host) [12:45] *acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [12:45] *ChanServ gives channel operator status to acer-box [12:45] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:ec0b:4314:6405:4c1a) has joined #boycottnovell [12:48] *libertybox__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:48] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) ● May 23 [14:39] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [14:39] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [14:51] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [14:52] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [14:59] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:59] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) ● May 23 [15:00] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [15:02] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 23 [16:11] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:11] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:24] *saint_dogbert has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [16:25] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [16:26] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [16:45] *schestowitz__ is now known as schestowitz [16:50] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/can-trade-mark-become-misleading.html?showComment=1621632490982#c5116960291415150682 [16:50] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Can a trade mark become misleading because it is transferred to a new owner? Its all a matter of tradition - The IPKat [16:50] schestowitz " [16:50] schestowitz If I am not mistaken, the old EUTMR 207/2009 would have probably prevented this misleading transfer from happening in the first place. Well, it is true that the Austrian Supreme Court does not consider the transfer itself to be misleading but rather the use of the new owner. Nevertheless, the old article 17.4 stated: [16:50] schestowitz "Where it is clear from the transfer documents that because of the transfer the Community trade mark is likely to mislead the public concerning the nature, quality or geographical origin of the goods or services in respect of which it is registered, the Office shall not register the transfer unless the successor agrees to limit registration of the Community trade mark to goods or services in respect of which it is not likely to [16:50] schestowitz mislead." [16:50] schestowitz I am curious about why this requirement disappeared in the current EUTMR 2017/1001 regarding transfers (article 20). It is still present in the Spanish trademark law. If anyone knows the background of this particular amendment I would be very happy to learn about it. [16:50] schestowitz " [16:54] *phobos (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 23 [17:13] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:13] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:15] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [17:16] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 23 [18:27] *Genie (bot@unaffiliated/genie) has joined #boycottnovell [18:32] *Genie (bot@unaffiliated/genie) has left #boycottnovell ● May 23 [19:15] Techrights-sec2 https://nitter.cc/ariadneconill/status/1396516526782656516#m [19:15] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.cc | Ariadne Conill (@ariadneconill): "thats why techrights is doing it, andrew convinced roy he is being CANCELLED" | nitter [19:49] schestowitz https://twitter.com/appwrite_io/status/1396498481515274249 [19:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@appwrite_io: @schestowitz Thanks for helping spread the word @schestowitz [19:49] schestowitz https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1396439330474835970 [19:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: how sick can you get? #murica https://t.co/6ZNHgb7906 [19:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: NEWS #CommonDreams #SouthCarolina Opinion | Tough Choices https://t.co/qudH5SVwr7 [19:49] schestowitz https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1396340502421778432 [19:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz SACEPO is being run by BusinessEurope, what could go wrong? ● May 23 [20:06] MinceR i have difficulty taking someone's word seriously who has signed the anti-RMS letter, posts anti-RMS propaganda on twitter and has referred to LF and SFC as "reputable" [20:06] MinceR we need a better host [20:29] MinceR > it's rms open letter time all over again [20:29] MinceR another SJW who is trying to destroy free software [20:29] MinceR "jan Lentan (a.k.a. /dev/urandom)" has also signed the anti-RMS letter [20:31] MinceR apparently the "woke" perspective of free software is "we want microsoft and IBM to control the FSF, take over everything that had its copyright assigned to the FSF and write a GPLv4 that lets microsoft and IBM to do whatever they like with any code licensed as any version of GPL 'or later'" ● May 23 [21:05] *ChanServ has quit (shutting down) [21:07] *ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has joined #boycottnovell [21:07] *barjavel.freenode.net gives channel operator status to ChanServ ● May 23 [23:13] Techrights-sec2 https://nitter.cc/RexKahrs1/status/1396569243483705346#m [23:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.cc | President Elect - rexkahrs (@RexKahrs1): "Unconfirmed: http://techrights.org/2020/08/04/police-report-gates-residence-arrest/" | nitter