●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, July 23, 2021 ●● ● Jul 23 [00:58] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@zivjd8d3h3tja.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 23 [01:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Jul 23 [02:33] *Disconnected (Network is unreachable). [02:35] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [02:35] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [02:35] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 [02:35] *asusbox (~rianne@y7ngpevrg6hvk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:35] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@y7ngpevrg6hvk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:35] *schestowitz (~roy@y7ngpevrg6hvk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:35] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #boycottnovell schestowitz [02:35] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@y7ngpevrg6hvk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 23 [03:16] schestowitz Re: Fwd: "The EPO's hostility towards software and AI patent applications" [03:16] schestowitz Bastian Best [03:16] schestowitz Bastian Best [03:16] schestowitz @https://twitter.com/bastianbest [03:16] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/bastianbest ) [03:16] schestowitz The folks at Kilpatrick Townsend have published an interesting one-pager about The Rise of Artificial Intelligence in the Automotive Industry. [03:16] schestowitz This statement worries me, although I have to agree to a certain extent: [03:16] schestowitz What do you think? [03:28] schestowitz > Hello Mr. xxxxx, [03:28] schestowitz > [03:28] schestowitz > Im a former Microsoft engineer/analyst and I just wanted to reach out [03:28] schestowitz > and say that you were spot-on for highlighting the threat that Microsoft [03:28] schestowitz > and software monocultures pose to national security and that your [03:28] schestowitz > Computerworld article xxxx from [03:28] schestowitz > 1998 is still as relevant as ever. I wasnt even aware of your work [03:29] schestowitz > prior to publishing my own article on this same problem but edited it [03:29] schestowitz > after the fact specifically to cite you though. Feedback welcome, but [03:29] schestowitz > Id personally love to see you revisit this subject and elaborate further. ● Jul 23 [04:32] *job (~job@x5dng8wyia7kg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:35] *Techrights-sec has quit (connection closed) [04:35] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@y7ngpevrg6hvk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 23 [05:10] *acer-box__ is now known as schestowitz-TR [05:42] *Techrights-sec has quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) [05:43] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@y7ngpevrg6hvk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:50] *search_social (~search_social@akqta89mfqm5k.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:51] *search_social is now known as sear_soci [05:54] *liberty_box (~liberty@y7ngpevrg6hvk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:54] *rianne_ (~rianne@y7ngpevrg6hvk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 23 [06:03] *sear_soci is now known as sears_hardware [06:06] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jul 23 [10:32] *job has quit (connection closed) [10:44] *job (~job@x5dng8wyia7kg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 23 [11:30] Techrights-sec https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210405/14181146555/dc-appeals-court-affirms-sidelining- [11:30] Techrights-sec attorney-larry-klayman-who-attempted-to-change-sides-litigation.shtml [11:30] Techrights-sec ? [11:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.techdirt.com | DC Appeals Court Affirms Sidelining Of Attorney Larry Klayman, Who Attempted To 'Change Sides' In Litigation | Techdirt [11:31] acer-box____/fn Klayman has long been a crank and litigious asshole with deep pockets. Mike and team play with fire, then run to Charles Koch for "free speech" defense money... [11:31] Techrights-sec Nothing good can come of sucking up to Koch, not even once (which he did already). [11:32] acer-box____/fn TW, I am not justifying the lawsuits etc. but the tone of his Shiva A. pieces asks for trouble [11:32] acer-box____/fn *btw [11:34] *psydroid_ (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:35] schestowitz-TR Hard to say. Shiva A is more than just a crank, but only just. [11:35] schestowitz-TR Mainly he is a charlatan and a fraud. [11:35] schestowitz-TR and a crank. [11:35] schestowitz-TR I see a lot of the same, e.g. Lee (FN) and sometimes even RMS with too big an ego, even is disguised as parody [11:37] schestowitz-TR *if ● Jul 23 [12:14] Techrights-sec He's got a lot of fake web sites up pushing crap and disinformation. [12:14] Techrights-sec That gives him some staying power. [12:14] Techrights-sec https://www.sigcis.org/Ayyadurai [12:14] Techrights-sec https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2017/02/13/says-invented-email-dispute-him-your-own-ri [12:14] Techrights-sec sk/wGQn4o6erpIJEs7kk13UyJ/story.html [12:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.sigcis.org | Did V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai Invent Email? | SIGCIS [12:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2017/02/13/says-invented-email-dispute-him-your-own-ri/ ) [12:15] Techrights-sec Part of the problem in all those cases is societal, as one becomes wealthy [12:15] Techrights-sec or otherwise influential, flunkies accumulate and real, timely, accurate [12:15] Techrights-sec information cannot penetrate the layers to the person at the center. [12:15] Techrights-sec Shiva, though, is not in that category. He is just a charlatan and a fraud. [12:15] Techrights-sec and a crank. [12:17] schestowitz When Boston Globe contacted me about him it felt like they were spying and shilling for him, which I think was confirmed to me by Mike [12:22] Techrights-sec He gained a lot of unearned, uncritical support by playing the race card [12:22] Techrights-sec early on. Many picked that up and ran with it only to find much later [12:22] Techrights-sec on that they'd been played. However, most who did that only became quiet [12:22] Techrights-sec rather than issuing apologies. [12:22] schestowitz Even Chomsky :-) [12:27] Techrights-sec yes, though Chomksy's advanced age can partially excuse his getting fooled, but [12:27] Techrights-sec it cannot excuse the failure to correct the situation once the facts [12:27] Techrights-sec were reminded. [12:27] Techrights-sec Shiva found an appealing narrative which so many parroted uncritically. [12:27] Techrights-sec Twitter and other social control media amplify such attacks, like the [12:27] Techrights-sec ones against RMS and JA and LT. [12:29] Techrights-sec Part of the amplification that social control media provides disinformation [12:29] Techrights-sec it to make it visible first. Once people make up their minds, very very few [12:29] Techrights-sec will even consider changing their position despite a preponderance of facts [12:29] Techrights-sec and evidence in favor of doing so. [12:29] schestowitz-TR Part of the design is, EDITING IS NOW ALLOWED. [12:29] schestowitz-TR So many lies remain in tact. [12:29] schestowitz-TR The platform owner then gets to decide which lies to push and when [12:34] schestowitz-TR That's only a small part. The main factor is the speed with which the [12:34] schestowitz-TR disinformation is promulgated. By the time the facts become known, [12:34] schestowitz-TR the topic has blown over and is no longer as popular or may even be forgotten [12:34] schestowitz-TR already. That is on top of the problem of people digging in and not wanting [12:34] schestowitz-TR to accept facts if they mean it would be necessary to reexamine their [12:34] schestowitz-TR position on the topic. [12:34] schestowitz-TR Yes the platform owner gets to decides which lies to push and when, both [12:34] schestowitz-TR up front and indirectly via 'algorithms'. It's all about shifting the [12:34] schestowitz-TR center of the bell curve ever so slightly, something which is dreadfully [12:34] schestowitz-TR easy to do at scale. Remember the 'experiments' that Facebook did with [12:34] schestowitz-TR voting engagement so many years ago? They calculated that they could [12:34] schestowitz-TR push a national election several percentage points in any direction [12:34] schestowitz-TR they wished. [12:34] schestowitz-TR I mentioned it in IRC a few days ago [12:39] Techrights-sec https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/03/this-article-wont-change-your-mind/5190 [12:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 308 @ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/03/this-article-wont-change-your-mind/5190 ) [12:39] Techrights-sec 93/ [12:39] Techrights-sec Yes, I saw that in IRC. It remains a severe problem https://www.pnas.org/content/118/27 [12:39] Techrights-sec Just because it remains unaddressed does not mean it will go away, rather [12:39] Techrights-sec the opposite. [12:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pnas.org | Table of Contents July 06, 2021, 118 (27) | PNAS [12:40] schestowitz-TR Thankfully I've weaned myself off social control media almost completely, I push but don't pull off it. And TBH, I'd rather people use RSS for a site then follow my own notes ● Jul 23 [13:02] Techrights-sec Old: https://text.npr.org/743195213 [13:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-text.npr.org | Facts Aren't Enough: The Psychology Of False Beliefs [13:03] schestowitz-TR Are you among those who live remotely enough and won't interact with many people and can thus afford to use distancing instead of shots? [13:19] *amarsh04 (~amarsh04@qu5xbximaxtww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:22] schestowitz amarsh04: welcome back! 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