●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Monday, November 23, 2020 ●● ● Nov 23 [00:37] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19503769#ec4b09f00f4501396e45722ef41c0a88 [00:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Extreme Programming describes five values: communication, feedback, simplicity, courage, and respect. I think that humility might be more important than all of these." https://benjiweber.co.uk/blog/2020/11/22/humility/ [00:37] schestowitz " [00:37] schestowitz call me sceptical about simplicity, im curious what the products of this methodology are. [00:37] schestowitz the internet was built on ordinary programming. alright, maybe not quite average, but certainly not hyped up with a new age methodology. [00:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> benjiweber.co.uk | Humility - Benji's Blog | Benji's Blog - [00:37] schestowitz tomgrz [00:37] schestowitz tomgrz - about 5 hours ago [00:37] schestowitz courage??? Courage to follow standards or courage to do whatever you want? [00:37] schestowitz Iron Bug [00:37] schestowitz Iron Bug - about 5 hours ago [00:37] schestowitz @faif culture code is code and bla-bla-bla is bla-bla-bla. the only thing that really helps any software projects - skilled developers. the rest is bla-bla-bla. [00:37] schestowitz tomgrz [00:37] schestowitz tomgrz - about 5 hours ago [00:37] schestowitz Dedicated would be even more important than skill. Before anything, you have to be able to sit down and work. ;-( [00:37] schestowitz Iron Bug [00:37] schestowitz Iron Bug - about 5 hours ago [00:37] schestowitz @tomgrz nope. skill is foremost. dedicated and stupid is even worse than none :) [00:37] schestowitz Iron Bug [00:37] schestowitz Iron Bug - about 5 hours ago [00:37] schestowitz @tomgrz I had seen a couple of cases when one stupid engineer ruined the results of work of the whole crew of professionals. Im afraid of fools in development. [00:37] schestowitz tomgrz [00:37] schestowitz tomgrz - about 5 hours ago [00:37] schestowitz Hmmm, depends on the size of the team, and the depth of interaction, I suppose. But,Im not talking about incompetence only about relative skill. [00:37] schestowitz Iron Bug [00:37] schestowitz Iron Bug - about 5 hours ago [00:37] schestowitz @tomgrz about the skill is the same. ten unskilled workers do not replace one skilled, as managers suppose. this does not work in this way. [00:37] schestowitz tomgrz [00:37] schestowitz tomgrz - about 5 hours ago [00:37] schestowitz I worked for many years in the pharma industry, We did quite OK with a range of skill levels. It does come down to process, if it is a big project. In a small project (few people), each one must be top-notch and fully committed for there to be great work. [00:37] schestowitz bsdfan@diasporing.ch [00:37] schestowitz bsdfan@diasporing.ch - about an hour ago [00:37] schestowitz I worked for many years in the pharma industry, We did quite OK with a range of skill levels. It does come down to process, if it is a big project. [00:37] schestowitz this i believe. but i would rather have someone in the management position who knows what theyre doing, than someone who follows a cargo cult methodology. i dont think this contradicts you, but it partly supports what else is being said. [00:37] schestowitz " [00:38] schestowitz Methodology (buzzwords go here) cargo cults are wheeled in by managers trying to interject themselves into otherwise-productive workflows (buzzword "pipeline", manufacturing floorplan terminology) [00:39] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19500558#b24501400ec101396e25722ef41c0a88 [00:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NEWS #JacobinMag The Class War at #Walmart https://jacobinmag.com/2020/11/mcdonalds-walmarts-low-wage-public-subsidies/ [00:39] schestowitz "s/at/is/" [00:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> jacobinmag.com | The Class War at Walmart [00:40] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19503440#8eec3f900f1901396e40722ef41c0a88 [00:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Currently there are approximately 4,500 troops in Afghanistan and 3,000 in Iraq. The drawdown would leave 2,500 troops in each country." https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/11/20/beyond-simplistic-peace/ [00:40] schestowitz " [00:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.counterpunch.org | Beyond Simplistic Peace - CounterPunch.org [00:40] schestowitz it isnt odd at all. they bring troops home so they can deploy them elsewhere. some stay home-- this is about invasion, not peace. if you watch this for the past 20 years, they dont even stay away-- they leave, they go back, they leave, they go back. [00:40] schestowitz its fucking ridiculous, and the worthless media is like war is over! about it. no its not, you lying fucks. [00:40] schestowitz " [00:41] schestowitz The media portrays "War is over" as "the terrorists are winning" [00:42] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19500417#333e30400ec201396e29722ef41c0a88 [00:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #fakeleft #biden does just what many who reluctantly voted for him expected https://www.desmogblog.com/2020/11/21/no-corporate-cabinet-biden-moniz-bordoff-zichal [00:42] schestowitz " [00:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.desmogblog.com | New 'No Corporate Cabinet' Campaign Pushes Biden to Pick People Who Will Advance Public Good | DeSmog [00:42] schestowitz We cannot successfully address Climate Change unless we get the Oil Industry out of our government! [00:42] schestowitz bsdfan@diasporing.ch [00:42] schestowitz bsdfan@diasporing.ch - about 17 hours ago [00:42] schestowitz also motherfucking nestle. [00:42] schestowitz yes, oil too. [00:42] schestowitz " [00:42] schestowitz But "not Trump" [00:43] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19496677#6fbb09300ea301396e32722ef41c0a88 [00:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #techrights access to our (sometimes anonymised) #IRC logs by issuing text ( #ASCII ) versions, which will from now onwards be a nightly/daily occurrence; were also making everything we publish accessible from a large number of #IPFS nodes (akin to #P2P ) http://techrights.org/2020/11/21/transparent-but-secure/ [00:43] schestowitz "Learn by doing! ;-)" [00:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Go Distributed, Go Encrypted, Go Secure, Transparency Still Possible | Techrights [00:44] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19497505#1757b0700e5a0139f3935254003291a2 [00:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2020: when saying it's wrong for #microsoft with #backdoors to control election outcome is same as "supporting Trump" or "helping Trump" http://techrights.org/2016/02/01/microsoft-infiltrates-us-politics/ [00:44] schestowitz " [00:44] schestowitz Hi. Im testing my own pod on onion net. Your pod can see me with a simple INproxy. [00:44] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft Infiltrates Politics and Can Engage in Election Fraud in Iowa Right Now | Techrights [00:44] schestowitz Can you see my comment? Please reply. Many thanks. [00:44] schestowitz " [00:44] schestowitz works OK [00:45] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19500559#a50f2c800ec101396e29722ef41c0a88 [00:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NEWS #Futurism Professor: #AsimovsLaws Are Outdated and Its Time to Write More https://futurism.com/the-byte/professor-asimovs-laws-outdated-time-write-more [00:45] schestowitz " [00:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> futurism.com | Professor: Asimovs Laws Are Outdated and Its Time to Write More [00:45] schestowitz shit, we cant even write laws that keep corporations in check, let alone sentient machines. [00:45] schestowitz a robot may not decrease profits for a corporation, or through inaction, allow a corporation to lose profits [00:45] schestowitz " [00:45] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19499759#dc34d8000e9f01396e2d722ef41c0a88 [00:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The 12 #GNU #Linux Apps Everyone Should Know About - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6chA0L_AT6k #Video #Google #YouTube [00:45] schestowitz " [00:45] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.youtube.com | The 12 Linux Apps Everyone Should Know About - YouTube [00:45] schestowitz gimp and emacs are not linux apps, they are part of the gnu project. [00:45] schestowitz you dont even need linux to run them. [00:45] schestowitz " [00:46] schestowitz See this new headline: https://betanews.com/2020/11/22/happy-25th-birthday-gimp-you-make-linux-a-viable-windows-10-alternative/ [00:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-betanews.com | Happy 25th Birthday, GIMP -- you make Linux a viable Windows 10 alternative [00:47] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19496561#b653dbb00e39013910c67085c2fdcc0b [00:47] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NEWS #ClimateNewsNetwork #Environment #Climate Global heating may go on for five more centuries https://climatenewsnetwork.net/global-heating-may-go-on-for-five-more-centuries/ [00:47] schestowitz "Not if we stop it! :^)" [00:47] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> climatenewsnetwork.net | Global heating may go on for five more centuries | Climate News Network [00:49] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19503362#55142e400f2601395872005056264835 [00:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@fergie@pluspora.com reshared: NEWS #BridgeMI #Environment #Michigan upholds #Nestl permit to withdraw 576K gallons of groundwater daily https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-environment-watch/michigan-upholds-nestle-permit-withdraw-576k-gallons-groundwater-daily [00:49] schestowitz " [00:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.bridgemi.com | Michigan upholds Nestl permit to withdraw 576K gallons of groundwater daily | Bridge Michigan [00:49] schestowitz Makes me very angry that corporations are still getting wide open opportunities to exploit entire populations and communities like this Amerika, Inc. [00:49] schestowitz Doug Senko [00:49] schestowitz Doug Senko - about 8 hours ago [00:49] schestowitz Quit buying the shit [00:49] schestowitz Gaffer [00:49] schestowitz Gaffer - about 5 hours ago [00:49] schestowitz Not to mention that they are hardly in the business of selling water - what theyre selling is plastic bottles, a product indubitably damaging to the environment. [00:49] schestowitz " [00:49] schestowitz The water, unlike the plastic, goes around in circles. Money out of nothing. [00:50] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19500490#f3b1b3a00ec101396e2d722ef41c0a88 [00:50] schestowitz " [00:50] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NEWS #BridgeMI #Environment #Michigan upholds #Nestl permit to withdraw 576K gallons of groundwater daily https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-environment-watch/michigan-upholds-nestle-permit-withdraw-576k-gallons-groundwater-daily [00:50] schestowitz god [00:50] schestowitz fucking [00:50] schestowitz damnit [00:50] schestowitz " [00:50] schestowitz learn to use f-ing taps. The water, unlike the plastic, goes around in circles. Money out of nothing. [00:51] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19500370#5ef4b7900eba01396e2d722ef41c0a88 [00:51] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NEWS #CommonDreams #Democrats Must Commit Themselves to the Needs of Non-College Educated Workers https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/11/20/democrats-must-commit-themselves-needs-non-college-educated-workers [00:51] schestowitz " [00:51] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.commondreams.org | Democrats Must Commit Themselves to the Needs of Non-College Educated Workers | Common Dreams Views [00:51] schestowitz what those workers NEED to do is vote democrat! [00:51] schestowitz then what? [00:52] schestowitz then we will tend to your needs-- dont worry, we keep our promises [00:52] schestowitz tomgrz [00:52] schestowitz tomgrz - about 18 hours ago [00:52] schestowitz a Democratic agenda can deliver real change. [00:52] schestowitz What agenda? The only agenda I know-of is to keep the lid on. [00:52] schestowitz bsdfan@diasporing.ch [00:52] schestowitz bsdfan@diasporing.ch - about 18 hours ago [00:52] schestowitz What agenda? [00:52] schestowitz getting people to vote for them! [00:52] schestowitz they dont need a plan past that, the lobbyists will take care of the details. all they need voters to do is give their support-- not because they coudlnt do it without the votes, but because without the voters, they would have to take all the blame when things went wrong. [00:52] schestowitz " [00:52] schestowitz The important thing is reminding people that Greens are "trolls!" [00:53] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19494540#f6080bf00e9801396e25722ef41c0a88 [00:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #OpenSource brings musicians together virtually http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144613 #freesw [00:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.tuxmachines.org | Open source brings musicians together virtually | Tux Machines [00:53] schestowitz " [00:53] schestowitz shh, youre supposed to be a bot. [00:53] schestowitz that doesnt prove anything! [00:53] schestowitz youre right, holo-whitney got loose and we reprogrammed her for freedom [00:53] schestowitz i knew it! [00:53] schestowitz we only made her a white british bloke so nobody would suspect it [00:53] schestowitz " [00:54] schestowitz Usually I just ignore people who complain that >I< post in >MY< timeline things that >I< think, sometimes calling that "SPAM". Like... hello? WTH do you think these sites are? Are active participants "Spammers"? [00:56] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15686384#2955f320a0a4013709577a163ef10931 [00:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Once Common Republican Environmentalist Is Virtually Extinct https://www.thenation.com/article/republican-environmentalist-virtually-extinct/ [00:56] schestowitz "'Its safe to say that the Moderate Republican is extinct. Fascists abound." [00:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.thenation.com | The Once Common Republican Environmentalist Is Virtually Extinct | The Nation [00:56] schestowitz And some Murcians love that regardless. ● Nov 23 [01:00] schestowitz https://twitter.com/freethetruth2/status/1330652525616267266 [01:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@freethetruth2: @VanessaBeeley The #BBC, a British public service broadcaster, charging public licensing subscriptions recieved fun https://t.co/N1fNbMu2de [01:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@freethetruth2: @VanessaBeeley The #BBC, a British public service broadcaster, charging public licensing subscriptions recieved fun https://t.co/N1fNbMu2de [01:00] schestowitz " [01:00] schestowitz The #BBC, a British public service broadcaster, charging public licensing subscriptions recieved funding of $20m from #BillGates for 'public education' & accepting MicrosoftUK staff to run the BBC. [01:00] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2011/05/29/gates-gives-bbc-money/ [01:00] schestowitz " [01:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | BBC Bribed by Bill Gates | Techrights ● Nov 23 [03:09] *Blakereeate (~jaqueline@45.87.213.20) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 23 [07:43] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/11/guest-post-sisvel-v-xiaomi-seps-and.html?showComment=1605802194931#c6946359436193039857 [07:43] schestowitz " [07:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [Guest Post] Sisvel v Xiaomi, SEPs and the importance of declarations of essentiality - The IPKat [07:43] schestowitz An additional point here is that the standard as it was developed on paper and the technology as it is implemented in practice can differ quite a bit. The way standardisation is seen by (some) lawyers is often as if a standard is a law that has to be applied in full and to the letter. In practice when standards are set, particularly in entities such as 3GPP, is that first all the features anyone could think of for the system are [07:43] schestowitz written down. The most popular ones get a lot of the attention and become the core of the standard. A lot of other stuff is included as options, version numbers etc. Only then do programmers start working on the new systems. They get their priorities based on what customers actually buy and prioritise. The reality is that, certainly in a mobile network, much of that wall of paper that is the Release X standard hasn't been [07:43] schestowitz implemented (in full). Plugfests and similar events then help to flesh out where different teams interpreted the standard differently, until the various versions (kind of) work together. This is fixed in addendums, release notes etc.. And sometimes some major vendors refuse to do implement option X even though it is in the standard and therefore nobody implements it in client gear and as a result nobody activates it in their [07:43] schestowitz networks, even though the equipment they bought could support it. [07:43] schestowitz So the standard as written isn't the same as the standard as implemented. The same goes to some extent for IEEE, IETF and other standards, though the IETF requires running code before something is a standard, which helps flesh out some issues before hand and leads to more consistent implementation. (More consistent, but certainly not exactly the same) [07:43] schestowitz A nice example is VoLTE (Voice over LTE) where the implementations can be so different that many mobile operators don't allow all devices to talk VoLTE to their platform, they will only allow some "certified" devices to do it. Samsung and Apple are most widely accepted. But I can't even get VoLTE activated with my Google Pixel phone on KPN. [07:43] schestowitz So not only are patents not always essential to the patent as written, the ones that are may not be essential to the standard as implemented. [07:43] schestowitz " ● Nov 23 [08:05] schestowitz Above the link "#boycottnovell log as text" the image/icon still links to the HTML version instead of the text version [08:05] schestowitz (Template errata ) [08:06] schestowitz Re: New Article [08:06] schestowitz > [Note for editors: "bar mitzvah" is not something that gets capitalised, [08:06] schestowitz > as one might easily think it is.] [08:38] schestowitz x https://www.newsweek.com/bill-gates-warns-tragic-number-american-coronavirus-deaths-vaccine-roll-out-1548960 [08:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.newsweek.com | Bill Gates Warns 'Tragic' Number of Americans Likely to Die Before Vaccine Roll Out