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| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Number of COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Increased 68.44% So Far This Month https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/24/number-of-covid-19-patients-in-hospital-increased-68-44-so-far-this-month/ | Jun 24 03:05 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | a US senator posted some draft legislation to GitHub. -1 for it being on | Jun 24 05:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | GitHub but +1000 for it being in Git at all. That is the way it should be done | Jun 24 05:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It gets lawmaking not just out in the open but the workflow can make it legible | Jun 24 05:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | But for those reasons the approach will be heavily attacked | Jun 24 05:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | a US senator posted some draft legislation to GitHub. -1 for it being on | Jun 24 05:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | GitHub but +1000 for it being in Git at all. That is the way it should be done | Jun 24 05:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It gets lawmaking not just out in the open but the workflow can make it legible | Jun 24 05:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | But for those reasons the approach will be heavily attacked | Jun 24 05:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | Microsoft can now interfere directly, no need for lobbyists | Jun 24 05:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | they can censor people with CoC etc | Jun 24 05:35 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes the right way would be for the congress to host its own Git service and own | Jun 24 05:49 |
| Techrights-sec2 | issue tracker | Jun 24 05:49 |
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| schestowitz-TR | do you find the latest epo coverage illumating wrt the issues? | Jun 24 06:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | or do you suggest improving it for general audiences? | Jun 24 06:51 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jun 24 07:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | some additional general audience posts would help. the current ones are good | Jun 24 07:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | of course but some specifically made for general audiences would always | Jun 24 07:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | be beneficial for outreach | Jun 24 07:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I'm starting to see just how catastrophic the reduction in skilled / knowledgeable ICT people is world-wide; There are few to none forthcoming through off | Jun 24 07:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | icial | Jun 24 07:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | channels and many of the official pipelines are set up to cull out people with | Jun 24 07:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | interest + talent so that only microsoft resellers remain with credentials | Jun 24 07:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | you say "resellers" | Jun 24 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | in my experience, it's not limited to "Microsoft" | Jun 24 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | but buzzwords and cargo cults like SaaS (outSaarCing) and clown | Jun 24 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | which means there is lessened likelihood of companies having any infra at all | Jun 24 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | never mind the fake security BS | Jun 24 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | which I am starting to loathe more and more | Jun 24 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | seems like more and more data collection/spying | Jun 24 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | sold to us as "security" | Jun 24 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | even at shops | Jun 24 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | re epo, we have a intro you wrote in 2011, still at top of wiki listings | Jun 24 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | being a wiki, it can be expanded upon | Jun 24 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | main barrier is lack of media participation | Jun 24 07:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | we cannot bribe or "buy" space like EPO or LF or Microsoft/ICBM | Jun 24 07:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes but occasional summaries of current events, tying them to the old intro, | Jun 24 07:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | would be attractive; the logical fallacy 'appeal to novelty' is valid | Jun 24 07:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes lack of media participation is still a problem but they won't look at "old" | Jun 24 07:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | news only "new" news so the posts have to be new | Jun 24 07:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | Snowden leaks are "old" :) | Jun 24 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | WW2 is "old" | Jun 24 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | Esptein's circle is "old" | Jun 24 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | BTW, good news about netflix | Jun 24 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | all those bubbleCorps need to die | Jun 24 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | not get bailed out | Jun 24 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | make no money? | Jun 24 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | then WTF are you still doing in business? | Jun 24 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | you are a yoke! | Jun 24 07:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/cgi-bin/uy/webpages.cgi?/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Novelty | Jun 24 07:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.logicallyfallacious.com | Appeal to Novelty | Jun 24 07:24 | |
| schestowitz-TR | TR has at least two articles about "appeal to novelty" | Jun 24 07:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | and also some memes | Jun 24 07:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | with examples of how "new" means worse than what we had before | Jun 24 07:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | ytalk is better than a lot of "chat" "apps" | Jun 24 07:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | reminds me of icq in the 1990s because of real-time typing feature and buffers | Jun 24 07:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | TR has at least two articles about "appeal to novelty" | Jun 24 07:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | and also some memes | Jun 24 07:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | with examples of how "new" means worse than what we had before | Jun 24 07:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | ytalk is better than a lot of "chat" "apps" | Jun 24 07:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | reminds me of icq in the 1990s because of real-time typing feature and buffers | Jun 24 07:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | For over 20 years, the appeal to novely fallacy has been the backbone of | Jun 24 07:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | sales in computer hardware and proprietary software; Thus there are several | Jun 24 07:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | work generations of people trained to accept it. So the cost of doing out | Jun 24 07:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | reach is the occasional "new" article/ | Jun 24 07:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Something better than ytalk could be made with python and mqtt; the bash-based | Jun 24 07:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | test showed that but Bash alone was not quite up to the task. | Jun 24 07:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_novelty | Jun 24 07:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-rationalwiki.org | Appeal to novelty - RationalWiki | Jun 24 07:29 | |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> "The Famine Is Coming" ☛ https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/23/global_food_shortage_crisis_ukraine_russia | Source: Democracy Now | Jun 24 07:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.democracynow.org | “The Famine Is Coming”: War in Ukraine & Climate Crisis Contribute to Food Insecurity in Somalia | Democracy Now! | Jun 24 07:29 | |
| schestowitz-TR | the depressiing news is coming | Jun 24 07:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I posted one batch of links already | Jun 24 07:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | I need to leave a pocket of time available constantly | Jun 24 07:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | for breaking epo news | Jun 24 07:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | for people to whom expensive food means no food desperate measures open up | Jun 24 07:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | murders, smuggling, theft, hoarding, revolutions | Jun 24 07:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | ukraine was a grain capital for some | Jun 24 07:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then there's the gas prices | Jun 24 07:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | I hope we can keep those expenses down with discounts and smarter usage | Jun 24 07:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | to avoid burning away savings | Jun 24 07:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | I always lugh at "smart" meters "saving energy"; afaik, they are powered by... electricity ;-) | Jun 24 07:35 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Yes, EPO news is among the highest priority; TR is uniquely positioned to | Jun 24 07:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | cover it | Jun 24 07:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yep food shortages mean more wars and human trafficking, as well as useful idiots feeding both | Jun 24 07:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Ukraine also produced neon which was used for semiconductor manufacturing | Jun 24 07:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I don't see any benefit from the attributes associated with "smart" meters | Jun 24 07:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | there is a long list of disadvantages, though | Jun 24 07:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | we wrote a lot about it | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | to complement we can add more daily links, yesterday we did about 5 batches and this past week more than 20 | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | I think this tempo is healthier as it puts important news in titles, e.g. release of xyz | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | I know many people who read these over rss | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is quite a unique thing in the free software world | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | some tried to emulate it over the years but gave up | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | it did not scale, they did not have the tools, the feeds etc. | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | or the time | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes I see articles about "smart" cars | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | or "autonomous" cars | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have hands-on experiencece (programming) with the latter | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's BS | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | like face rec | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | soem of the methods envisioned are unbelievable! | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | like connected ALL the cars | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | and manage them in "the clown" | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | like "smart" assistants which do all the processing in server farms | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | meaning the audio is retained somewhere | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | not by accident | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | to them, it's spying. to you, it's "savings" (offloading) | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are already listening devices in a lot of cars | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can insurance "discounts" for playing ball | Jun 24 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) a car on the road that's remotely controlled can be used to kill you in your "dumb" car | Jun 24 07:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2) this is not limited to cars (anymore?) as homes have devices in them that can be used | Jun 24 07:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | to convict/frame tenants | Jun 24 07:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Food Shortage or Economic Crisis ☛ https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/23/food_crisis_sanctions_russia_ukraine_climate | Source: Democracy Now | Jun 24 07:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.democracynow.org | Food Shortage or Economic Crisis? Experts Say Poverty & Capitalism Are Real Drivers of Global Hunger | Democracy Now! | Jun 24 07:49 | |
| schestowitz-TR | reinforced by MAD MAX | Jun 24 07:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | as if you can eat cars and oil | Jun 24 07:53 |
| Techrights-sec2 | MadMax was always confusing, the show would have ended after a few days once the | Jun 24 07:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | fuel tanks ran empty; again that goes to much of the world holding cars so | Jun 24 07:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | sacred and holy that they cannot even imagine the idea of no fuel even in a | Jun 24 07:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | "post-apocolyptic" collapse | Jun 24 07:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | don't worry, they'll stock up on it... in plastic bags if necessary ;-) | Jun 24 07:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | chemistry 101 | Jun 24 07:55 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes; those 55-gallon trashbags are cheap and can hold lots of fuel for use | Jun 24 07:55 |
| Techrights-sec2 | later; :/ | Jun 24 07:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | Mad Max plastgic bag edition | Jun 24 07:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.carscoops.com/2021/05/government-urges-people-not-to-fill-up-plastic-bags-with-gasoline/ | Jun 24 07:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Government Urges People Not To Fill Up Plastic Bags With Gasoline | Carscoops | Jun 24 07:56 | |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> EFF is dead to me. Recommends Privacy-Infringing Microsoft-Run DuckDuckGo that spies on you!! ☛ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/security-and-privacy-tips-people-seeking-abortion | Source: EFF | Jun 24 07:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Security and Privacy Tips for People Seeking An Abortion | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Jun 24 07:58 | |
| schestowitz-TR | same gov. that needed to tell people in FL not to fire their rifles at the hurricane | Jun 24 07:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wonder if any planes or birds got hitr | Jun 24 07:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | bunch of geico cavemen | Jun 24 07:58 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-suggest-nuking-hurricanes-1535171 | Jun 24 07:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.newsweek.com | Fact-Check: Did Donald Trump Suggest Nuking Hurricanes? | Jun 24 07:59 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | EFF has been running opposite to its charter for a long time | Jun 24 07:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It's not incompetence, it's malice | Jun 24 07:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> Why did EFF leave out Microsoft??? ☛ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/bipartisan-digital-advertising-act-would-break-big-trackers | Source: EFF | Jun 24 08:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | The Bipartisan Digital Advertising Act Would Break Up Big Trackers | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Jun 24 08:00 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | EFF probably has M$ sympathizers working against digital freedom from the inside | Jun 24 08:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | :( | Jun 24 08:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | PBS also is thoroughly infiltrated | Jun 24 08:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | publicaccess put a Microsoft employee inside the board | Jun 24 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | the rats infest the orgs | Jun 24 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | PBS is literally bribed by Bill Gates | Jun 24 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | for over a decade already | Jun 24 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe the bribes could be funneled via Jeffrey Esptein | Jun 24 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | oh, wait | Jun 24 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | no. | Jun 24 08:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | "well, he's dead" | Jun 24 08:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | not just that, but infiltrated at the staff level | Jun 24 08:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 08:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | the media as a whole has become a catastrophic clusterfuck | Jun 24 08:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | where you just buy articles about yourself | Jun 24 08:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | I mentioned this in the 30-min video last night | Jun 24 08:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the solution to this, imho, is rejection of such media | Jun 24 08:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it uses its size to invade everything | Jun 24 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | e.g. zer-rating | Jun 24 08:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | that's a natural and predictable progression from moving to ad-based revenue | Jun 24 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | i mentioned bbc a lot | Jun 24 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | and how it spikes epo coverage | Jun 24 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | bbc (yes, layoffs!) violated its charter | Jun 24 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | while using tax money to run (TV Licensing) it also took bribes from criminals like Gates | Jun 24 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | and poorly vetted managers | Jun 24 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | e.g. people from Microsoft UK | Jun 24 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | as if this won't leave to issues | Jun 24 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | so I boytcott the billBC entirely these days | Jun 24 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | also for footbal and weather | Jun 24 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | and I urge others to do the same | Jun 24 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne still reads it though | Jun 24 08:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I skim one page of it but generally avoid picking any artice if they are | Jun 24 08:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | available elsewhere | Jun 24 08:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | the risk of brain brainwashed by bad actors like Microsoft and rogues like Gates is just too high | Jun 24 08:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | I would not even enter any address of bbc | Jun 24 08:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes | Jun 24 08:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and, by the way, the links on their main page are /still/ broken even after | Jun 24 08:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | all these years; It is clear they have not competent management and no | Jun 24 08:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | comptetent IT staff and *no one* in between who gives a shit | Jun 24 08:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | farnell USED to work there | Jun 24 08:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | I know abother person in USENET who did | Jun 24 08:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | now instead of tech they havr resellers | Jun 24 08:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | like iPlayer scandals | Jun 24 08:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I know at least one person who worked there but that was decades ago back | Jun 24 08:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | when it was of reasonably high quality | Jun 24 08:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Even more than PBS, BBC has been infiltrated by microsofters | Jun 24 08:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | at the staff and management levels | Jun 24 08:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | this past week I saw 2 or 3 new spam domains that plagiarise news | Jun 24 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | I did not add to spamSites | Jun 24 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | as I do not know if you funnel in anything form gulag noise | Jun 24 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | but over time I think we can develop a better workflow and somehow organise news | Jun 24 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | with focus on s/w | Jun 24 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | not brands, real software | Jun 24 08:23 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It'd be good to add them to spam sites, because I have seen quite a few new | Jun 24 08:23 |
| Techrights-sec2 | spam domains recenly also | Jun 24 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | OK, if I see these a second or third time I will add | Jun 24 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe they get culled fast enough | Jun 24 08:23 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Though maybe the threshold for adding ought to be if they are slick enough to | Jun 24 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | get through once, then they can be added to ensure that it does not happen again | Jun 24 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Some are still around. About once a week the spamsite checking script catches | Jun 24 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | one that would have otherwise gotten through. I notice that many such sites | Jun 24 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | are trying to piggyback on FOSS to get through somehow. Also, the | Jun 24 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Bill Gates testimony videos appear to be circulated by fringe groups, probably | Jun 24 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | in an attempt to further marginalize criticism of His Billness | Jun 24 08:24 |
| Techrights-sec2 | on another topic the publisher Springer pushes some DOCX variant | Jun 24 08:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | for full published words? | Jun 24 08:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | or drafts of some kind? | Jun 24 08:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | *works | Jun 24 08:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> "People who have never even been charged with a crime can have their life savings taken away. That’s civil asset forfeiture." ☛ https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/23/john-kiriakou-robbed-by-law-enforcement/ | Source: Scheerpost | Jun 24 08:33 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-John Kiriakou: Robbed by Law Enforcement – scheerpost.com | Jun 24 08:33 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | for "Electronic Supplementary Material" | Jun 24 08:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | springer = sharecropping | Jun 24 08:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | a friend of mine published a book with them | Jun 24 08:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | it did not sell well (they do not market) | Jun 24 08:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they take the lion's share of money | Jun 24 08:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | i think they just print on demand | Jun 24 08:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a parasitic company | Jun 24 08:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes Springer is not healthy for higher institutions | Jun 24 08:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | privatising surplus, like patents pursued by unix | Jun 24 08:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | *unis | Jun 24 08:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | patents are usually never held by the universities which set them up | Jun 24 08:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | they are usually spun off into a startup so that the profits elude | Jun 24 08:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the financer | Jun 24 08:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and ensure that there is no economic return for the university | Jun 24 08:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | they stand for the cost; sadly they are less involved with basic research these | Jun 24 08:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | days and more and more for inappropriate business development | Jun 24 08:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | in 2012 (IIRC) I went for a job interview where I had stufied sine 2003 (phd) | Jun 24 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | and one interviewer was my former supervisor | Jun 24 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | the other was some "business" something | Jun 24 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | which I deemed not appropriate | Jun 24 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | for an academic position | Jun 24 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | they start viewing the institute from the lens of money | Jun 24 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | as a student, you produce a lot of work for them | Jun 24 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | all they give back is a desk and a PC | Jun 24 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | and those too are just "leased" | Jun 24 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | so that diploma mill is highly exploitative | Jun 24 08:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I wonder if some kind of press sheet or summary page would be useful, | Jun 24 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | like the old one but updated | Jun 24 09:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | in what context? can you elaborate a bit? rereading did not help... | Jun 24 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | there are several concurrent topics, which one? | Jun 24 09:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | the one about "press sheet" | Jun 24 09:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | I try to do 4-5 daily links batches and atm prioritise epo internal docs/leaks | Jun 24 09:10 |
| Techrights-sec2 | oh. that was about the old summary made a long time ago, | Jun 24 09:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | perhaps it would be useful to do a new one with a /slight/ focus on the | Jun 24 09:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | upcoming actions | Jun 24 09:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | something to get an interested journalist an overview | Jun 24 09:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | many of them are compromised | Jun 24 09:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | I said last night that ime it would almost be a waste of time contacting politicians and press | Jun 24 09:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | based on my experience | Jun 24 09:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | btw, I've just noticed no irc logs for today | Jun 24 09:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I ran ipfs 2 minutes late today, I hope it did not mess up the pipeline | Jun 24 09:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jun 24 09:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | re press heet | Jun 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | sheet | Jun 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | my supervisor told me ages age it would take HOURS just to write an abstract | Jun 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | of course AFTER you spend MONTHS going through peer review | Jun 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is days' worth of work | Jun 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | you might get 100 views just on the abstract online | Jun 24 09:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe 10 will bother reading what you spent months on | Jun 24 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | that put me off academia | Jun 24 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | I could get better number on the www | Jun 24 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you end up with scholars who produced 40 papers in 40 years (age 25-65) | Jun 24 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | and barely had real impact other than "teaching many students" | Jun 24 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | and "marking up many exams" | Jun 24 09:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | not fulfillinf imho | Jun 24 09:18 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jun 24 09:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes the papers end up being mostly filler | Jun 24 09:19 |
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| schestowitz-TR | good scholars, top guns, might put hundreds in GOOD journalists | Jun 24 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | that actually DO GET READ | Jun 24 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | and maybe attract some media attention for one day in a year | Jun 24 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | but those are rare | Jun 24 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | and limited to top unis | Jun 24 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | of course the media snd BS films like Beautioful Mind tell you only about the "success stories" | Jun 24 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | same for the "music" (copyright) industry | Jun 24 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | those "success stories" often end up dying from drug overdoses | Jun 24 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | /s/jopurnlists/jorunals | Jun 24 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | conference papepr = some little ~20 min talk or poster, with some paper that goes with it | Jun 24 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | and almost nobody reads... probably a reused paper from some failed journal submission | Jun 24 09:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | or slight improvement over it | Jun 24 09:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | That film was BS put out by the banskters to try to (wrongly) lend an air | Jun 24 09:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | of legitimacy to their fraud. | Jun 24 09:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | posters have little to no impact, for most participants they are just | Jun 24 09:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | scenery; few get looked at even superficially; hardly none at all get | Jun 24 09:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | examined with any level of interest | Jun 24 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | the www is on 'borrowed' time imho | Jun 24 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I cannot tell you how things will pan out | Jun 24 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can guess, but only for 1-2 years | Jun 24 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | as a medium, it's becomigng obsolete | Jun 24 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | as it's not for pages anymore | Jun 24 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a canvas | Jun 24 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | the rendering is done by proprietary programs from the server, not thre browser | Jun 24 09:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | (top clarify, the server executes locally AND remotely) | Jun 24 09:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | the codde you get with the chrome (or clone) binary does not do the heavy lifting, it's like a 'runtime') | Jun 24 09:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | compared gulag news in 2005 to the 'web' 'page' it is in 2022 | Jun 24 09:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes the main thing is that it can't handle the way it's being misused; | Jun 24 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | browsers are being used as VMs to run applications sourced from unauthenticated | Jun 24 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | distributed sources | Jun 24 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the server only sends the applications, all the processing is done locally | Jun 24 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | in the client, as if it were a VM, no matter how inefficient that is | Jun 24 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I'd hate to begin to calculate the gigawatts of electricty wasted repeatedly | Jun 24 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | running the same scripts again and again around the world in various clients | Jun 24 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | when the same thing could have been run once on the server and cached for a | Jun 24 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | while | Jun 24 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | pages aren't pages anymore, they are "apps" and even some of the kids these days | Jun 24 09:32 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | refer to them as such, it's done out of ignorance but still they are correct | Jun 24 09:32 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | albeit by accident | Jun 24 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | some sites till take the right and "traditional" approach | Jun 24 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | those are also a lot easier to convert to hugo, gemini etc. | Jun 24 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the technical detb associated with keeping alive for many years is vastly reduced | Jun 24 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | many news sites are pu offline as sys admins are "expensive" and totally necessary to run those sites | Jun 24 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | so over the LONG run they're out and we're still in the ring | Jun 24 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes they keep online static copies with very broken layout and no images, etc. | Jun 24 09:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | withh weird URLs long not indexed by anything, not seen by anyone | Jun 24 09:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Google does not index very much any more, somehow it seems they are easing out | Jun 24 09:33 |
| Techrights-sec2 | of that business | Jun 24 09:33 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | "shareholders" is just an excuse and distracts from the real reason but | Jun 24 09:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it works since few look past that | Jun 24 09:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | not just that | Jun 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've said something to that effect | Jun 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | the goal isn't fairness or archiving material | Jun 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | theyd delete at will anything | Jun 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | because the shareholders don't value those sorts of things | Jun 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | and you SHOULD NEVER RELY ON ANY CORPRORATION TO LOOK OUT FOR YOUR OWN INTERESTS | Jun 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | or site... like JoinDiaspora | Jun 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a wrong, risky assumption | Jun 24 09:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | they would mess around with you and your work which they do not value | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's about their, not your, bottom line | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | gulagtube killed off many hard-working "reators" | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's one heck of a thank-you | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | because their videos are harder to "monetise" | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | one dya gulag might say, pay us to keep online videos older than 5 years | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | and some people might pay | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | like old sites/journals/news sources that start paywalling their archives | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | so they say you need to pay x for some article from the 1980s that you need | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | or so-called 'acamemic' (private) publishers | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | that demand you pay them money to access your own papers | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | shareholders become the state when a lot of money (high revenue, little investment, i.e. high profit/turnout) is stuff like | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | "Maven" and "defence" budget. Then you can throw whole channels like "RT" under the bus | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | nothing to do with shareholders per se | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's quid pro quo | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | and to them the "creators" are 'collateral damage' | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | is that video still online BTW? Maybe won't be for long.. | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | "community guidelines"... "sign in to view"... nothing showing up in search results | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | (both Gulag Search and YouTube Search) | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | for your own protection | Jun 24 09:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | looking at your dad's papers | Jun 24 09:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | many similarities | Jun 24 09:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | ResearchBillGates (ye, bribed by Bill) | Jun 24 09:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | indexes like these, much like Gulag "scholar"/"news"/"search", are bogus and faux | Jun 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | because there is scarce indexing of old work | Jun 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | no incentive to crawl further back | Jun 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and so the calculated sums naturally favour recent stuff | Jun 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | I ignore impact factors and all those "scores" | Jun 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | it is like social control media | Jun 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | there were sites like KLOUT for this | Jun 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | they vanished | Jun 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | they just scanned a bunch of "tweets" and tried to assign | Jun 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | "importance" to people | Jun 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | as if "tweets" are worth a f* s* | Jun 24 09:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | or "angegement" is a measure of merit | Jun 24 09:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | you could be posting photos of some stuff and get many "likes" | Jun 24 09:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | photos from some holiday | Jun 24 09:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | or even sexually explicit | Jun 24 09:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the UK, going into administration | Jun 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | means something like Chapter 11 | Jun 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the US | Jun 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | you waneted to say administration works like that in the US | Jun 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | I knew what you mean the next line | Jun 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | ironically, it feels like working in a uiniversity's admin these days | Jun 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | does mean the same | Jun 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | crushing the uni or crashing the darn thing into the ground | Jun 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | to get some golden eggs or foreign students from china | Jun 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | for the diploma mill the university becomes | Jun 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | because the brand dilution | Jun 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | also see: Linux [sic] Foundation | Jun 24 09:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | academia seems to have become shit here maybe 20 years ago | Jun 24 10:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was not embedded deeply for long, so cannot verify how or when | Jun 24 10:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | in 2004 or 2003 two universities in Manchester agreed to merge | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | one of them, UMIST, not a shiity polytechnic but a lesser university | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | with little reputation or tradition | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | I was not happy about this | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | and insisted that on my degree it should say VICTORIA U of Manchester | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | the new merged thing was called the same as the old (original) | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | university | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | I don't know if this was an "efficincy" move | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | to attracty intl' students | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | (the 'vash cow') | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it makde my undergard degree look potentially of less value | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | my degree now does say victoria | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | but most people cannot tell the difference | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | they don't know the hisotry | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | there were 3 other unis I could go to and accepted my application | Jun 24 10:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've just checked my disploma | Jun 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | the official one | Jun 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | they broke the promise | Jun 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | like when companies merged | Jun 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | they said we'd be abkle to choose to say "victoria" on it | Jun 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | of course it does not say that | Jun 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | people forget the promise/pledge | Jun 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | and now the degree is associated with the NEW university bearing the same name as the old one | Jun 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | having said that, some universities had really big blunders | Jun 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | and those servd to vevalue the diplomas of alumni | Jun 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | in ours there was this mass rapist from indonesia | Jun 24 10:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes, when remineded they whine about being reminded | Jun 24 10:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 10:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | brb workout | Jun 24 10:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 10:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | back | Jun 24 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | inconclusive research | Jun 24 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | might not be work in progress anymore (exercise thought): | Jun 24 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | is jperlow still in lF? | Jun 24 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | last blog post 2 months ago | Jun 24 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | new guy hired | Jun 24 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | I cannot see linkedin (MSFT) | Jun 24 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | but twitter says LF research | Jun 24 10:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | good question | Jun 24 10:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | they don't have a staff roster | Jun 24 10:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.linuxfoundation.org/author/jperlow/ | Jun 24 10:54 |
| Techrights-sec2 | he was there at the end of April at least | Jun 24 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | so maybe he was assigned to that other fake "department" | Jun 24 10:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linuxfoundation.org | Jason Perlow, Author at Linux Foundation | Jun 24 10:54 | |
| schestowitz-TR | rather than left | Jun 24 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | LF periodically updates a few pages, e.g. board, management, committees | Jun 24 10:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the arrival of that new man who knows NADA about Linux coninciding | Jun 24 10:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | with no "perlow" anywhere did make me wonder | Jun 24 10:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | boosting the scam before it fell LOL | Jun 24 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | not decentralised | Jun 24 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | just another fraud | Jun 24 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | but LF gives it veneer of legitimacy | Jun 24 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | at the expense of "LINUX"(R) | Jun 24 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | "mom, what is Linux?" | Jun 24 10:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | "it's this vaccine passport blockchain WSL thing" | Jun 24 10:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jason-squared-two-nerds-talk-tech/id1507265943 | Jun 24 10:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | nothing recent there either | Jun 24 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-podcasts.apple.com | Jason Squared: Two Nerds Talk Tech on Apple Podcasts | Jun 24 10:59 | |
| schestowitz-TR | vanished around the time we called him out for AGEISM | Jun 24 11:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | and IBM, where he came from | Jun 24 11:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I doubt it is in any way related | Jun 24 11:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm sure he can see the weakness of LF from the inside | Jun 24 11:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | they hired him for PR | Jun 24 11:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.zdnet.com/meet-the-team/us/jason-perlow/#bio | Jun 24 11:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ^ blocked by javascript | Jun 24 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Jason Perlow | US | Meet the Team | ZDNet | Jun 24 11:00 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | but he wrote at ZDNet last week | Jun 24 11:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | ah, maybe there's something there | Jun 24 11:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | let me check dates... | Jun 24 11:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | 4/4/22 dan whitining makes debut in linux.com | Jun 24 11:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | where jperlow had parked after spamnil vanished | Jun 24 11:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | but then weeks later that NFT BS was posted | Jun 24 11:03 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2022/04/04/dan-whiting-linux-foundation/ | Jun 24 11:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has a New Lead Editor. Like Jim Zemlin, He Doesn’t Use Linux. He’s in Love with iPad. | Techrights | Jun 24 11:03 | |
| schestowitz-TR | dan allowing | Jun 24 11:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 11:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | our motto: they won't give away their weakness | Jun 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | same in EPO | Jun 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we must dig in and be inquisittive | Jun 24 11:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | press releases get transcribed into fake articles easily | Jun 24 11:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I recall one "columnist" who did that for too many years until she got called | Jun 24 11:11 |
| Techrights-sec2 | out on it and the paper pulled the plug on her "column" | Jun 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | as other blogs barely bother | Jun 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | x y.z released | Jun 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | linus says... | Jun 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | but hardly looking for new info | Jun 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | unless it's spoonfed to them with PR bribes | Jun 24 11:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | microsoft and epo do this a lot | Jun 24 11:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | of course they are not alone | Jun 24 11:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | but it is easier to see when you folloe particular topics and can compare texts, photos etc. | Jun 24 11:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | I get like 40 spam a day | Jun 24 11:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | half of it from pr agencies trying to get me "interested" | Jun 24 11:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | it probably got miles worse ein the "digital" era | Jun 24 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | because it became faster and "cheaper" | Jun 24 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can iomagine how it would be done 50 years ago | Jun 24 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | you would need to lick envelopes and find telephone numbers and fax things | Jun 24 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | (no fax yet) | Jun 24 11:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | again, it seems that Google is hardly indexing anything any more | Jun 24 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | so from an economic POV there was less incentive | Jun 24 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is why www rapidly becomes "webspam" | Jun 24 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can whip up a "site" in mintes | Jun 24 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the USENET newsgroups we used to have fierce arguments about this | Jun 24 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | as some people were making fake sites | Jun 24 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then trying to sneak them into Gulag | Jun 24 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | theory: the likes of matt cutts at google (no idea if he still holds that role) | Jun 24 11:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | studies the domain space and coclude x% of domains are spam | Jun 24 11:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | and therefore gulag should be super-apprehensive adding domains it does not know about | Jun 24 11:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | even if they have IBLs (inbound links) because such links can be purchased | Jun 24 11:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | they even penalised for certain IBL patterns | Jun 24 11:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | could be it | Jun 24 11:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | thy're certainly not indexing some legitimate but small sites, even ones hosted | Jun 24 11:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | in data centers and all | Jun 24 11:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | in years past it was enough to put up a site and wait a week or so | Jun 24 11:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | now, nothing | Jun 24 11:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | take it from me (wasted years) | Jun 24 11:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) checking stats is a waste oif time and can be demoralising (a lot of the web is bots) | Jun 24 11:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2) enever optimise anything for gulag (SEO is a cargo cult) | Jun 24 11:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | 3) don't add ads to anything. waste of time. hassle. | Jun 24 11:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Brave, DDG, and Startpage have all indexed the site(s) but not Google | Jun 24 11:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | haven't (and won't) checked Yandex | Jun 24 11:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | should you care? | Jun 24 11:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | is it worth the worry? | Jun 24 11:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | the time could instead be spent doing all sorts of other things | Jun 24 11:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | with more predictable results | Jun 24 11:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes the host is pooling ip addresses and some other sites on a share servers made it into a blacklist | Jun 24 11:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | the maslow heirarchy of Net: ;-) | Jun 24 11:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | a) your site | Jun 24 11:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | b) the web | Jun 24 11:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | c) web brands | Jun 24 11:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | no web -> no web brands | Jun 24 11:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | a site can be moved to xanadu, gopher etc. | Jun 24 11:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | " In the process, they built a tool which facilitates the large-scale laundering of free software into non-free software by their customers, who GitHub of | Jun 24 11:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | fers plausible deniability through an inscrutable algorithm. " | Jun 24 11:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://drewdevault.com/2022/06/23/Copilot-GPL-washing.html | Jun 24 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-drewdevault.com | GitHub Copilot and open source laundering | Jun 24 11:45 | |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, none of that is new | Jun 24 11:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | we said that in our series n umerous times | Jun 24 11:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | I want to wait and see what Miguel and Nat do before proceeding much | Jun 24 11:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | It'sFOSS wrote about it, but weakly | Jun 24 11:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | it also shills for LF, so... | Jun 24 11:47 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 12:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wonder how to best tackle the latest LF propagadafest in Texas | Jun 24 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | not giving it more visibility | Jun 24 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | /me checks if spamnil bought another round of clickfraud | Jun 24 12:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | which one are they doing now? | Jun 24 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | spamnil last did this to video about 20 days old | Jun 24 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the anomalies are stunning | Jun 24 12:10 |
| Techrights-sec2 | this? https://www.linux.com/news/ensuring-patents-foster-innovation-in-open-source/ | Jun 24 12:33 |
| Techrights-sec2 | "Patents are an important legal protection to foster innovation ..." | Jun 24 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Ensuring Patents Foster Innovation in Open Source - Linux.com | Jun 24 12:33 | |
| schestowitz-TR | I responded to this yesterday | Jun 24 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | and quoted the bit about LF+OIN+Microsoft working together on patents | Jun 24 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | this is LF in a nutshell | Jun 24 12:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | next stage is, they convince or blackmail torvalds into parroting the same lines | Jun 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | and lies | Jun 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then call us "all about hate" if we don't parry the same | Jun 24 12:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 12:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | like the time rms foolishly went to microsoft | Jun 24 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then sjvn said repeatredly stuff like, even RMM is accepting them | Jun 24 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and if you don't, you're extraeme | Jun 24 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | (of course he then went on to relentlylessly defaming RMS regardless) | Jun 24 12:48 |
| Techrights-sec2 | in china and iran they torture activists and renowened voices | Jun 24 12:49 |
| Techrights-sec2 | and then showing footage of them with confessions and change of mine | Jun 24 12:49 |
| Techrights-sec2 | after ther torture | Jun 24 12:49 |
| Techrights-sec2 | LF doesn't use torture | Jun 24 12:49 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it uses mental blackmail and therapists | Jun 24 12:49 |
| Techrights-sec2 | civil forefeit of the Linux project | Jun 24 12:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | in china and iran they torture activists and renowened voices | Jun 24 12:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then showing footage of them with confessions and change of mine | Jun 24 12:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | after ther torture | Jun 24 12:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | LF doesn't use torture | Jun 24 12:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 12:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes, the LF has used torture, | Jun 24 12:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | it uses mental blackmail and therapists | Jun 24 12:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | civil forefeit of the Linux project | Jun 24 12:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2+2=5 | Jun 24 12:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then you see 5 articles about torvalds singing praises of github rust | Jun 24 12:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://phr.org/news/cia-torture-report-highlights-unnecessary-medical-procedure/ | Jun 24 12:51 |
| Techrights-sec2 | not those specific methods but unnecessary medical treatment in general, | Jun 24 12:51 |
| Techrights-sec2 | sending him off and then having him recant and confess afterwards | Jun 24 12:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-phr.org | Physicians for Human Rights - CIA Torture Report Highlights Unnecessary Medical Procedure | Jun 24 12:51 | |
| schestowitz-TR | as daemonFC recalls, from his personal experience, it is the only way to get rleased from the treatment | Jun 24 12:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | they reward for cooperation | Jun 24 12:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | objection reinforces the idea of a problem | Jun 24 12:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yes if they can get leverage over him and commit him then it's game over | Jun 24 12:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | after that anything he says only digs the hole deeper -- regardless of | Jun 24 12:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the situation or of what is said | Jun 24 12:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | LT escaped lightly, if they had forced prescriptions on him then they | Jun 24 12:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ^the | Jun 24 12:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | "medications" are so primitive in that area that they would nearly 100% likely | Jun 24 12:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | caused brain damage or at least severe personality disorder either permanently | Jun 24 12:56 |
| Techrights-sec2 | or during the course of the drug use | Jun 24 12:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | the story you told me is almost exactly the same as one from a gym friend | Jun 24 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | whose ordeals I wrote about in my blog a few times | Jun 24 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | he represented himself against NHS and won | Jun 24 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | almost exactly the same | Jun 24 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | , inc. the scnadsls of improvising and prison time | Jun 24 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | they basically experimented on him | Jun 24 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | he won the case | Jun 24 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | then I think they spied on him with PI | Jun 24 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | but hard to prove | Jun 24 12:59 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The trouble against LT really ramped up when he defended the GPL at his Aalto | Jun 24 13:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | talk. The press made a distraction with him giving the finger to Nvidia, but | Jun 24 13:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the talk about the importance of the GPL really burned a lot of powerful people | Jun 24 13:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | Quite likely that they stoope that low. | Jun 24 13:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Quite likely that they stoope that low. | Jun 24 13:01 |
| Techrights-sec2 | However, it is even more unlikely that they will admit to breaking the law like | Jun 24 13:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | that. | Jun 24 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | Norbert apparwently had to confeesss his "thought crime" | Jun 24 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then give a talk together nwith a diversity candisate (no code) at some event | Jun 24 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybehe realised this would never please theme | Jun 24 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | it just made him look like a tool, after he had invested 2 decades of his life as a volkunteer | Jun 24 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | in a project that was pushing him out | Jun 24 13:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Lunduke gave a good talk explaining how and why attempts at appeasement will | Jun 24 13:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | only encourage and even rile up the bullied | Jun 24 13:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ^bullies | Jun 24 13:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | did he blink "TORTURE" with his eyes while reading the confession? | Jun 24 13:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | over the years at lkeast 3 people (off the top of my head) tried to force me to write a statement | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | like apoloigising to them and such | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | one time I actually did something weakly worded to that effect | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | that was the first time | Jun 24 13:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yep | Jun 24 13:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yep | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then it never ends | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | change this, change that | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you show a sign of weakness | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | then they want to link to something to say "we won, he lost" | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | "we were right all along" | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | Linus did surrender | Jun 24 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | therapists AND forced apology | Jun 24 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | humiliation | Jun 24 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | he used to defned all that as finnish culture | Jun 24 13:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | I didn't even think it was limited to finland | Jun 24 13:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | now they can hang both over his head indefinitely | Jun 24 13:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | presumably with the threat of escalating either | Jun 24 13:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it is, but these days national identities, including Finnish, are now centered | Jun 24 13:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | around defense of and support for Bill and M$ | Jun 24 13:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Some years ago he made an excellent explanation about clarity and why | Jun 24 13:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | evaluation of code (not of people) had to be made in no uncertain or vague | Jun 24 13:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | terms; the microsofters and the press they own where able to reframe his | Jun 24 13:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | code critiques as attacks on people, which they clearly weren't if one bothered | Jun 24 13:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | to read them , or as "being mean" | Jun 24 13:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | did you know the MFer works in a gown!!!! the MFer!!! | Jun 24 13:17 |
| Techrights-sec2 | yeah they try everything to get at him. Remember 20 years ago the business | Jun 24 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | community had their collective panties in a twist over RMS and his lack of | Jun 24 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | a suit and tie; They just could not get their tiny minds around the idea | Jun 24 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | that he did not wear a tie. They tried similar against Fuckerberg but he | Jun 24 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | was already complying by then | Jun 24 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | not that he wasn't complying it's just they wanted visible submission as well | Jun 24 13:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's the dress code equivalent of getting circumcised | Jun 24 13:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | or doing that to kids (FGM also), demonstrating physical sacrifice for the tribe | Jun 24 13:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 13:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | slow tech news so far today | Jun 24 15:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | volume-wise | Jun 24 15:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | having to use a hook | Jun 24 15:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | summer has started and more news sites will (permanently) reduce activities | Jun 24 15:00 |
| Techrights-sec2 | further | Jun 24 15:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah, it had not quite occurred to me | Jun 24 15:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | either way, more time to focus on epo then | Jun 24 15:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | <techrights-news> The Steam Summer Sale is the best sale Valve’s done in a long time (plus other Deck News) - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XCgSfDw0cM8 "TLG" so focused on Valve/Deck that I bet everything he took money from then | Jun 24 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | The Steam Summer Sale is the best sale Valve's done in a long time (plus other Deck News) - Invidious | Jun 24 15:02 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 15:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | curiously enough, based on the much-late 2013 paper abstract re photosynthesis, this is a very similar area | Jun 24 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | to the one of a friend whom I frequently mention | Jun 24 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | biogenesis and cells | Jun 24 15:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | those are important issues, unlike a lot of pseudoscience that does get counted as of | Jun 24 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | "indutrial value" or mere theory | Jun 24 15:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | news is slow, I did another batch | Jun 24 15:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | feeds empty | Jun 24 15:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | will check covid status | Jun 24 15:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | no important issue to record atm | Jun 24 15:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | might tidy up my place | Jun 24 15:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne went hunting | Jun 24 15:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 15:52 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It's Midsummer Eve, are the stores even open? | Jun 24 15:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | food stores, I don't see why not | Jun 24 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | they're essential and I think the onl day they shut is dec 25th | Jun 24 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is why 24th is great for netting expiring items in large quantities | Jun 24 15:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | 31st and 1st (NYE) is partly open | Jun 24 15:53 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 15:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 16:42 |
| schestowitz | SUEPO The Hague Event on the day of the Administrative Council | Jun 24 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Dear SUEPO members, dear colleagues, | Jun 24 16:42 |
| schestowitz | SUEPO The Hague is organizing a get-together meeting on the day of the Administrative Council for its members and those who want to become members. | Jun 24 16:42 |
| schestowitz | The gathering will take place on June 29, 2022 from 16:00 to 19:00 at "Welgelegen Food and Drinks" in Rijswijk on the day of the Administrative Council. | Jun 24 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Feel free to join us for this event! | Jun 24 16:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 16:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | SUEPO Virtual Coffee Meetings, every Friday starting at 11:30 a.m. | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Dear SUEPO members, dear Colleagues, | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | We are happy to invite you to a weekly coffee meeting of SUEPO this Friday, 24th of June. | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | SUEPO committee members are looking forward meeting you. | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | We would like to chat with you informally on the ongoing actions | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Working to the rule | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Feedback of yours for further actions | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | We are there also to answer all your questions about SUEPO and listen to your concerns such as | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | - the consequences of the educational reform for staff in TH; | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | - SAP; | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | - teleworking guidelines; | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | - or work pressure. | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | But above all, we want to listen to you. SUEPO is nothing but its members, and your point of view matters very much to us. | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | good and timely news | Jun 24 16:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | got 4 items from epo | Jun 24 16:46 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 16:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | as usual, we'll be the first and the only ones to cover it, I'm preparing some text atm | Jun 24 16:52 |
| schestowitz | “The present publication emanates from Local Staff Committee the Hague which does not have access to mass email. It is re-published via SUEPO in order to reach a larger number of colleagues.” | Jun 24 17:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, draft | Jun 24 17:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can make up by missing bits with new image and summary | Jun 24 17:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | excellent about being first and covering it but tragic that other sites do not | Jun 24 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | pick up the news | Jun 24 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | in accordance to how important it is | Jun 24 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jun 24 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | s/pressurising/pressure/ | Jun 24 17:21 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the first sentence mentions a meeting, a word or two (maybe with link) would | Jun 24 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | help remind the readers about the nature of the meeting | Jun 24 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It's in the second paragraph, but having a word at the start helps lead in | Jun 24 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | s/which should not be granted/which should not be granted due to being outlawed | Jun 24 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | by the European Patent Convention (1973) .../ | Jun 24 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The illegality of the sw patents granting and the reason it is illegal are | Jun 24 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | important | Jun 24 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | s/they're recruiting/the administrative council (managment) is recruiting/ | Jun 24 17:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the last two paragraphs can be merged, the "imagine working" sentence belongs with the previous paragraph | Jun 24 17:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, all changes applied, added an image | Jun 24 17:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | thanks | Jun 24 17:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | thew second (*last) pass caught a lot of typos and I clarified further | Jun 24 17:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have to assume there's a lot more on the way | Jun 24 17:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | to avoid getting PRESSURED MYSEFL :-) | Jun 24 17:40 |
| Techrights-sec2 | excellent | Jun 24 17:41 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it reads well now | Jun 24 17:41 |
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| schestowitz-TR | new doc just in | Jun 24 19:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | draft | Jun 24 19:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne asks, as she saw something in the gulag tyoob, if VAT is charged or shown separately in grocery stores | Jun 24 19:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | here it's not shown explicitly | Jun 24 19:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | very rarely at electronics stores too | Jun 24 19:05 |
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| schestowitz-TR | another draft (short) | Jun 24 19:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Jun 24 19:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I thought food is not supposed to be subject to VAT | Jun 24 19:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | as for electronics, some show it up front others hide it until checkout | Jun 24 19:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | in the case of Apple vs Dell, for example, Dell only adds the VAT at the end | Jun 24 19:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | but Apple shows it up front and you have to subtract it at the end if you're | Jun 24 19:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | making a business purchase | Jun 24 19:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | oddly in one case the Apple hardware was much cheaper than the Dell system | Jun 24 19:15 |
| Techrights-sec2 | of comparable specs | Jun 24 19:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's finalised now | Jun 24 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec2 | checking | Jun 24 19:26 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ok | Jun 24 19:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | but the last sentence is not finished | Jun 24 19:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | grammatically it seems OK | Jun 24 19:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | apple has a "starter" kit [sic] | Jun 24 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | so maybe on the 'low end' they discard some stock | Jun 24 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | or desperate to show they can still sell | Jun 24 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | they cannot blame "supply chain" for eternity | Jun 24 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the MS/APPL-preloaded PCs are just little prisons | Jun 24 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | that later help them upsell or charge on top | Jun 24 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | so the price on the PC is misleading | Jun 24 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | Chromebooks, unless "fixed", are rentals you can take away and keep | Jun 24 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we have a 'brandless' problem here | Jun 24 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | and saying "boycott Microsoft" won't solve ALL the issues | Jun 24 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | we need to talk about the concept, IMHO | Jun 24 19:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | some people move from wiundows to apple | Jun 24 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | as an act of rebellion | Jun 24 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | because they don't know that the underlying issue is | Jun 24 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | they think it's just some cliches and logos | Jun 24 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | and carlin had wise words about US "choice" | Jun 24 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | and how meaningless that can be | Jun 24 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can find the clip, so can you if yoiu search "carlin choice" | Jun 24 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | back in the IBM says we called it "swapping masters" (over a decade ago; the word or metaphor was acceptable | Jun 24 19:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | then) | Jun 24 19:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | because it's like a slave being traded but not in fact liberated | Jun 24 19:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | hands changed | Jun 24 19:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | then hands chained | Jun 24 19:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | back in the PPC days the hardware was simply bettere | Jun 24 19:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | now it's just overpriced x86 garbage | Jun 24 19:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | with proprietary additions | Jun 24 19:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | now with the M2 the hardware is worse and locked-in | Jun 24 19:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | they've even ported speculative execution exploits into the M2 | Jun 24 19:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | I hope the flow od epo documents stops soon | Jun 24 19:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's important but a bit fatiguing | Jun 24 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I might take a nap before the 1am shift | Jun 24 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then do a video on some topic | Jun 24 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | bbl | Jun 24 19:38 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Isn't there a way around the VAT, like shipping a computer from the US? | Jun 24 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, certainly there's a lot of sellers here that don't give a shit about collecting VAT tax. | Jun 24 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | Avoiding taxes is difficult, but it's the moral thing to do. | Jun 24 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | Propping up a state that steals from you to give to someone else is immoral. | Jun 24 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | There's a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. | Jun 24 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | In that tax evasion is also tax avoidance, but you break some law to do that. | Jun 24 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | And breaking the law isn't terribly smart, especially when you'll get caught. So it's important to avoid taxes as much as the law lets you get by with. | Jun 24 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | I could be mistaken, but I think VAT taxes are something the seller is supposed to collect and remit before the sale, so if you buy something that hasn't had VAT collected, that's not your responsibility, right? | Jun 24 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | Or maybe it works like it does with state sales taxes, where you're supposed to declare the difference between what you paid out of state and what your state sales taxes are and square up the difference as use tax at the end of the year. | Jun 24 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | Which nobody did, which is why the states went to the Supreme Court to reverse their 1992 decision on this. | Jun 24 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | Still, Wisconsin has sales tax holidays around Back to School time, so you can go up there and get all of the clothes and big ticket stuff you need and come back down to Illinois with it. The problem is that Illinois wants their money and if you pay with a credit card, they know what you did. | Jun 24 20:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | I asked about food | Jun 24 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | It's not unheard of to get a letter from the DOR saying "We saw you went up to Wisconsin during a tax holiday and bought $5,000 worth of stuff. You declared that you didn't owe us any use tax. Here's what you owe us, plus interest, and a fine.". | Jun 24 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | The banks that do business in Illinois have to turn over their bank records to Illinois. So Illinois DOR has a matching program. It knows what all the rates are in other states and how much stuff you bought. So if it's a few bucks, probably nothing happens. If you owe then $400-500, you'll get a letter demanding payment. | Jun 24 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | On their website, which probably nobody reads, it warns that this can happen. | Jun 24 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | So if you do go up there on a tax holiday, bring cash. | Jun 24 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Did you see that the US Supreme Court got rid of the Miranda Warning? | Jun 24 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you can not afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you by the court." | Jun 24 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | The police don't have to warn you anymore. | Jun 24 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | You can't sue them if they don't. And it's much less likely that anything you say without being warned will get thrown out of evidence. | Jun 24 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | You still have those rights, but they don't have to tell you. | Jun 24 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana doesn't have "free" public defenders for the indigent. | Jun 24 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | They have a "sliding scale fee" for the public defender. | Jun 24 20:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, I read about SCOTUS doing that | Jun 24 20:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | next stage is, more powers for cops | Jun 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | and more guns | Jun 24 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | So it's not uncommon to see the courts taking a guy who has no job and sending him a $500-600 bill for the public defender, who is only there so that they can say you got a minimal legal defense while they were railroading you. | Jun 24 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | They just add it to what you owe the court, and then to make sure you pay, they deduct it from your bail money that you coughed up so you didn't have to sit in jail for a year waiting on them to get around to you for a misdemeanor. | Jun 24 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | The courts in Indiana only move swiftly if you bonded out of jail. | Jun 24 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | If you can't afford to bond out of jail, they frequently take five or six times longer to get you into court. | Jun 24 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | The idea is they'll sweat a confession out of you because they'll end up sentencing you to less time than you were already sitting in jail waiting for your hearings. | Jun 24 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | The maximum jail term for a misdemeanor is 364 days in jail. | Jun 24 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | So they just leave you sitting in jail for a year if you can't bond out so you'll confess to a lesser offense or something just to get out of jail. | Jun 24 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | The longer you stay quiet and don't confess, the longer you end up waiting in jail. | Jun 24 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | This is why nearly everyone charged with a misdemeanor is convicted of a misdemeanor. | Jun 24 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | Even if you didn't do it, or it's not as bad as they allege, you know you'll be sitting in jail anyway, and most likely end up being convicted anyway, so at least by confessing you get out sooner. | Jun 24 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, What happened to me was essentially charge and sentence bargaining. And it ended up being probably most directly comparable to a police caution in your system. | Jun 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | like plea bargain? | Jun 24 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. I told the prosecutor I absolutely would not confess to a violent crime, ever, and that if he insisted on it, we were going to court and I would demand that he produce John and Luis and I'd take my chances in front of a jury. | Jun 24 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | So it ended up being like "Okay, what do you want?". | Jun 24 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | I say , "I'm not going past a Class C Misdemeanor and I'm not going to jail, and I'm not going to have a conviction on my record. Figure something out.". | Jun 24 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | So then it was like "How is court supervision on Disorderly Conduct?". | Jun 24 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | Like, he'd probably win on the original charges, but I would make it the absolute most hassle on him that I could to get there and I definitely wasn't confessing to that, so unless he wanted to carve out a few days just for me with everything else going on in this county..... | Jun 24 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | Sometimes you can't win, but you can make it too much of a bother to fight you. | Jun 24 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | There's few surprises in court, so basically I had my attorney give the prosecutor a preview of what our strategy would be in court. | Jun 24 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | I was going to plead not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect and say that I went temporarily insane due to a combination of underlying mental illness and mental suffering inflicted by John, which finally boiled over when he brought Luis into the house. | Jun 24 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | "I temporarily took leave of my sanity and I'm better right now." | Jun 24 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | It's better to get diverted to psychiatrists than to be convicted and sent to jail, schestowitz-TR | Jun 24 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | The psychiatrists will fuck around with your medicine and eventually get tired of you. | Jun 24 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | Jail is jail, and a conviction is a conviction. | Jun 24 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | When they send a person to a psychiatrist, usually what happens is that eventually the psychiatrist declares that their intervention was a success, when in fact it was not. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | And then they move right along. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | did you see what we said about LT? | Jun 24 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | Nope. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I'm now on four prescription drugs. | Jun 24 20:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> yeah they try everything to get at him. Remember 20 years ago the business | Jun 24 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | I'm a miracle of modern medicine. | Jun 24 20:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> community had their collective panties in a twist over RMS and his lack of | Jun 24 20:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> a suit and tie; They just could not get their tiny minds around the idea | Jun 24 20:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> that he did not wear a tie. They tried similar against Fuckerberg but he | Jun 24 20:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> was already complying by then | Jun 24 20:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | [13:18] <Techrights-sec2> not that he wasn't complying it's just they wanted visible submission as well | Jun 24 20:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | you were mention here earlier | Jun 24 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, what we project is more important than what we are, Roy | Jun 24 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | If you want to be successful at manipulating others, you have to create an appearance for them to base their opinions on. | Jun 24 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | Most people in your life who make important decisions about you interact with you for 10 or 20 minutes. It's important for them to see you in the way that ensures the correct outcome. | Jun 24 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | It's better to have a chameleonic personality than it is to have a fixed one. You can always revert to your true personality later when it matters less. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | I've figured out different ways to present myself. Sometimes it's desirable to portray yourself as having an average or low intelligence so you don't appear threatening or very capable of being deceitful. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | It forces people, subconsciously, to let their guard down, and it makes it easier to get what you need and move on. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | A big important concept in law is intent, even when the law theoretically doesn't make intent an important factor. | Jun 24 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | You will be punished much more severely if the prosecutor proves you knew it was wrong, didn't care, and proceeded anyway. | Jun 24 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | Therefore, it is always useful to prove you did not knowingly break the law or did not intend to, or that you had no knowledge of the law, or that you were duped into breaking the law. | Jun 24 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | You can lower your culpability by showing that you didn't know what the law was, have imperfect understanding of the facts that set up your guilt, or that you have diminished capacity which made it, at least for a time, impossible to understand what you were doing. | Jun 24 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | I blacked out while I was doing that. I don't remember doing that. | Jun 24 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | If people tell you that you're doing something wrong, say "I don't want to know that, and I didn't hear what you just said.". | Jun 24 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I told a lawyer something once and she said. "I'm sorry, I didn't hear you say that." and I went to repeat myself and she said "I don't think you should repeat whatever it is you just said.". | Jun 24 20:55 |
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