●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, July 24, 2022 ●● ● Jul 24 [00:15] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:28] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [00:29] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@m6g9eirgk498q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:34] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 24 [01:06] schestowitz http://beta.tuxmachines.org/ [01:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 401 @ http://beta.tuxmachines.org/ ) [01:06] schestowitz Just a prototype for now, written from scratch. [01:06] schestowitz Can you send me your public ssh key for access to the site's admin side? [01:07] schestowitz (Rianne has tried posting some nodes, with success, over ssh) [01:50] *DaemonFC_ (~chatzilla@y2wamz4q2vne6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:50] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:50] schestowitz-TR mjg59_: instead of constantly arguing, maybe we can collaborate on trying to squash swpats, inc. in USPTO [01:51] *DaemonFC_ has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [01:51] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@y2wamz4q2vne6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:51] schestowitz-TR I am working on series detailing some very explosive leaks in this area ● Jul 24 [02:00] mjg59_ schestowitz-TR: I rank the growing movement to deny people the ability to accurately describe their gender as a greater threat to society than swpats [02:04] schestowitz-TR so you adopt thew approach of parking for years, 24/7, in online forums and IRC channels, looking for ways to defame people in Saudi-run (they hate LGBQ) Twitter [02:25] schestowitz-TR http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/epo-shape-of-things-to-come/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/epo-shape-of-things-to-come/ [02:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The EPO Bubble Part XII The Shape of Things to Come? | Techrights [02:26] schestowitz-TR we need your help there, mjg59_ [02:26] schestowitz-TR notice how, for example [02:26] schestowitz-TR people with NO qualifications in CS were put in charge [02:26] schestowitz-TR so they focus on BS [02:26] schestowitz-TR like granting as many patents as possible [02:26] schestowitz-TR not doing what's good for the profession [02:26] schestowitz-TR just law firms and and megacorporations [02:26] schestowitz-TR like your previous employers [02:27] schestowitz-TR you can use your voice there to help CS [02:27] schestowitz-TR rather than try to 'hunt down' people who do the heavy lifting for you [02:28] mjg59_ Yes, this is all bad [02:28] schestowitz-TR thanks for helping [02:28] schestowitz-TR spread the word [02:28] mjg59_ As is failing to, for instance, recognise that trans men can get pregnant [02:28] schestowitz-TR these are semantic differences [02:28] schestowitz-TR I have trans friends [02:29] schestowitz-TR but I also know how languages work [02:29] schestowitz-TR like gendered languages [02:29] schestowitz-TR I speak several [02:29] schestowitz-TR anyway, we're a technical site [02:29] mjg59_ Do you deny that trans men can get pregnant? [02:29] schestowitz-TR let's focus on tech [02:29] schestowitz-TR mjg59_: I focus on real issues atm [02:29] schestowitz-TR not all that sematics [02:29] schestowitz-TR *semantics [02:29] mjg59_ 18:05 < schestowitz-TR> "Pregnant People"... what people get pregnant? https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/right-to-travel-abortion/ | Source: The Nation [02:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | Could GOP States Really Stop Pregnant People From Traveling to Get Abortions? | The Nation [02:30] mjg59_ You literally raised that topic [02:30] schestowitz-TR it showed up in my feeds [02:30] mjg59_ And you commented on it. Here. [02:30] schestowitz-TR anyway, you stalked us here all day [02:30] schestowitz-TR looking for "dirt" opportunisties [02:30] schestowitz-TR that's pathetic tbh [02:30] schestowitz-TR and a sign of a feeble mind [02:30] schestowitz-TR to spend so much time on this [02:31] schestowitz-TR bbl [02:31] schestowitz-TR got better things to do... [02:31] schestowitz-TR before the bulletin cutoff at 2:35am [02:31] mjg59_ schestowitz-TR: An easy thing for you to say here would be "Oh, right, I hadn't considered that - I understand why they would use this terminology" [02:32] mjg59_ But instead you become defensive [02:32] schestowitz-TR naa.. [02:32] schestowitz-TR anyway, back later [02:32] schestowitz-TR really have deadline due to bulletin [02:32] schestowitz-TR all this genderphobia is not our focus anyway [02:32] schestowitz-TR even in this channel it's just a like a minror one liner [02:33] schestowitz-TR you cherry pick and dirt-dig [02:33] schestowitz-TR which is pathetic and petty [02:37] mjg59_ I think you failing to understand that trans men get pregnant is actually pretty important [02:37] schestowitz-TR I can assure you I'm busier than most people, and hard-working, I don't stalk IRC channels all day long. Might be indicative of need for psychotherapy. You could get a lot more done elsewhere [02:37] schestowitz-TR you are changing the subject [02:37] schestowitz-TR and dwell on it [02:37] schestowitz-TR \bbl [02:37] schestowitz-TR enough of this [02:38] schestowitz-TR more than 90% of women on the world do not side with you [02:39] mjg59_ Do not side with me on what topic? [02:40] mjg59_ It's a pretty obvious fact that trans men get pregnant [02:41] schestowitz-TR damn, I missed bulletin deadline [02:41] schestowitz-TR because of youi [02:41] schestowitz-TR I'lkl just ignore you from now on [02:42] schestowitz-TR the post didn't make it to today's bulletin [02:44] mjg59_ You could have just ignored me until you'd done the bulletin, there's no requirement that IRC be synchronous [02:44] mjg59_ Instead it just comes across as you not wanting to explain what you meant ● Jul 24 [05:44] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Jul 24 [06:04] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:46] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 24 [08:03] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [08:09] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:43] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:43] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:43] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [08:50] Techrights-sec2 thanks [08:50] Techrights-sec2 the update of the feeds and such needs to be automated. Cron is not the [08:50] Techrights-sec2 way to go for that. I wonder if wrapper scripts are the way to go [08:50] Techrights-sec2 or if incron should be used to watch the whole /n hiearchy or something else. [08:53] schestowitz-TR gm [08:53] schestowitz-TR yes, I was gonna say, [08:53] schestowitz-TR it seems like adding update steps as a manual thing would increase overhead [08:53] schestowitz-TR maybe not for a small site with few updates but one with 50+ updates per day [08:53] schestowitz-TR where speed matters a lot [08:53] schestowitz-TR I've sent Marius some details, will check my email tonight [08:53] schestowitz-TR btw, he can do pgp, as it's protonmail [08:53] schestowitz-TR not that I trust protonmail much after what they did to the climate activist [08:54] Techrights-sec2 gm [08:54] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:54] Techrights-sec2 Perhaps wrapper scripts are the way to go. [08:56] Techrights-sec2 However, I will test incron too [08:56] Techrights-sec2 By the way, the posts don't have the date in the body, I suppose they should. [08:56] Techrights-sec2 The date is in the URL and the metadata but not in the body text [08:56] schestowitz-TR I've noticed that [08:56] schestowitz-TR the URL says the date [08:56] schestowitz-TR the page does not [08:57] Techrights-sec2 It might help a bit with Gemini to have the date also in the body text [08:57] Techrights-sec2 Shoul it be yyyy-mm-dd (ISO) or just mm/dd or mmm dd ? I think maybe the [08:57] Techrights-sec2 last one is the least ambiguous [08:58] schestowitz-TR year matters as well as it gives context, age of news [08:58] schestowitz-TR some sites say x "years ago" [08:58] schestowitz-TR for those who find the articlss and need to be reminded these may be well out of date [08:58] Techrights-sec2 ok that make sense ● Jul 24 [09:15] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:15] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:36] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:36] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 24 [10:20] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [10:22] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:23] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:36] schestowitz-TR I see that clickfraud spamnil has taken the fraud up another notch. Linux Foundation subsides fraud. [10:37] schestowitz-TR now he buts clicks within 1-2 days of publication [10:37] schestowitz-TR to cover up what a sham that channel is [10:37] schestowitz-TR gulag might be tolerating it because it's not a "big" channel [10:37] schestowitz-TR or, like twitter or FB, it makes them look "big" [10:38] schestowitz-TR Linux Foundation defrauds people. It damages the "Linux" brand. http://techrights.org/2022/06/08/lf-defrauding-clients/ [10:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | New Lows: Linux Foundation Defrauding Clients | Techrights [10:39] Techrights-sec2 yep, I still say it is part of a planned campaign to run the brand into the [10:39] Techrights-sec2 ground [10:39] Techrights-sec2 they could have easily afforded to keep the actual journalists around and [10:39] Techrights-sec2 let them continue writing [10:44] schestowitz-TR nearly done now with links file [10:44] schestowitz-TR i think we can do the part about security and microsoft media moles [10:44] schestowitz-TR you found 2 windows tco stories [10:44] schestowitz-TR i need to think of a suitable clustering pipeline or style for new tuxmachines [10:44] schestowitz-TR if you can think of a more effective one from a reader's POV [10:44] schestowitz-TR like, it would be nioce is updated posts would have the update on TOP, then bubble up or get "bumped" to top of rss feed [10:44] schestowitz-TR as this is one approach to dealing with same story, many sources, coming at different times and adding up [10:44] schestowitz-TR mainstream "news" sites have a very poor handling or emerging, changing stories [10:44] schestowitz-TR and then they turn to twitter etc. [10:44] schestowitz-TR which is worse [10:44] schestowitz-TR it means their site becomes fragmented across platforms [10:44] schestowitz-TR just like the comments [10:44] schestowitz-TR imaging if you boarded a train and they sent you journey updates via Saudi Twitter [10:44] schestowitz-TR just imagine... [10:44] Techrights-sec2 having it on top would entail tracking the hours too [10:44] Techrights-sec2 it can be done, but would require quite a bit of reworking various pieces and [10:44] Techrights-sec2 parts [10:44] Techrights-sec2 the scotland train incident was because the company decide not to notify its [10:44] Techrights-sec2 passengers and instead tried to pretend that a "tweet" was as good as an [10:44] Techrights-sec2 official announcement [10:46] schestowitz-TR that also vainly assumes people carry around tracking devices with "notifications" turned on, an "app", and "follow" the private company [10:46] schestowitz-TR when the analogue alternatives are SO much better [10:46] schestowitz-TR here, with nhs, the old skool methods are usually still available [10:46] schestowitz-TR like phonecall, not "text" [10:46] schestowitz-TR visits, no web sites [10:46] schestowitz-TR but I hope it'll stay that way [10:49] Techrights-sec2 there is pressure to eliminate reliable methods and several directions of [10:49] Techrights-sec2 presure to steer people into social contol media [10:52] schestowitz-TR so we need to embolden and grow a counter movememn [10:52] schestowitz-TR so large that the shitty firms cannot afford to ignore the needs of peopl [10:52] schestowitz-TR and receive lengthy complaints like a bunch I submitted last year [10:52] schestowitz-TR it's costing them a lot of money [10:52] schestowitz-TR to me it costs only time [10:52] schestowitz-TR I'm not salaries to do it [10:52] schestowitz-TR but you can estimate they spent hours or dozens of hours of managers' time [10:52] schestowitz-TR on each such incident [10:52] schestowitz-TR manchester town hall, that yorkshire medical thing, BT... [10:52] schestowitz-TR so they learn not to f* with people for piuurely economic reasons [10:52] schestowitz-TR it is the only language these "suits" understand... money [10:55] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:57] Techrights-sec2 ack [10:57] Techrights-sec2 but now that a critical mass of people are addicted to social control [10:57] Techrights-sec2 media it is far easier for the corporations to manipulate their opinions [10:57] Techrights-sec2 especially because most mistake it for having anything to do with communication [10:57] schestowitz-TR let's not overestimate [10:57] schestowitz-TR a) how many people use it [10:57] schestowitz-TR b) how many people are addictaed to it [10:57] schestowitz-TR in the globe, maybe it's 20% for (a) [10:57] schestowitz-TR and 5% of (b) [10:57] schestowitz-TR but they are vocal [10:57] schestowitz-TR and some are politicians [10:57] schestowitz-TR the average farmer doesn't give a shit [10:57] schestowitz-TR so we need to lean on those 80% to keep some things as they ar,e e.g. paper voting [10:57] schestowitz-TR and purchases in person, with cash etc. [10:57] schestowitz-TR it's a yuppie western thing to pay "contactless" with a "phone" [10:57] schestowitz-TR few people do this [10:57] Techrights-sec2 vocal and prominently placed in positions of authority, all too often ● Jul 24 [11:03] schestowitz-TR Never trust Vladolf Putler https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/23/un-chief-condemns-airstrikes-key-ukrainian-port-hours-after-grain-deal | Source: Common Dreams [11:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | UN Chief Condemns Airstrikes on Key Ukrainian Port Hours After Grain Deal [11:08] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:11] schestowitz-TR easier time in my life to be [11:11] schestowitz-TR critical [11:11] schestowitz-TR cynical sceptical [11:11] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:11] schestowitz-TR and to distance myeself from "the system" [11:11] schestowitz-TR seeing how they dealt with covid before and AFTER it hads spread, now: [11:11] schestowitz-TR techrights-news> Another patent racket? https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/23/who-declares-monkeypox-global-public-health-emergency | Source: Common Dreams [11:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | WHO Declares Monkeypox a Global Public Health Emergency [11:11] schestowitz-TR [11:04] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.commondreams.org | WHO Declares Monkeypox a Global Public Health Emergency [11:11] schestowitz-TR [11:05] "Whitney discusses the parallels between the rescue of Emergent Biosolutions with anthrax (and potentially now monkeypox) and the rescue of Moderna and BioNTech with Covid." https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/05/investigative-reports/monkeypox-fears-may-rescue-endangered-corporations/ [11:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-unlimitedhangout.com | MonkeypoxFearsMay RescueEndangeredCorporations [11:13] schestowitz-TR I know people under 60s who reacted badly to covid and/or to vaccines [11:13] schestowitz-TR and many who die are in their 60s and above [11:13] schestowitz-TR so from an economic POV they're of no value anymore [11:13] schestowitz-TR or "almost done" anyway [11:13] schestowitz-TR like a 10 year old laptop with bad keys and dimmed screen [11:15] schestowitz-TR I'm guilt-free now about this new lifestyle [11:15] schestowitz-TR no gym, no flights [11:16] schestowitz-TR if people ask me, I have the answers well prepared [11:16] schestowitz-TR same as the "when do you have kids?" BS [11:16] schestowitz-TR that too got even simpler to answer after covid, inflation, wars [11:16] schestowitz-TR I have answer with a question [11:16] schestowitz-TR *can answer [11:20] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:20] schestowitz-TR it is mostly a burden of rpoof thing [11:20] schestowitz-TR you need to convince me, to compel me, that your side makes any sense at all [11:25] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:34] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- New Cross-Platform 'Luna' Ransomware Only Offered to Russian Affiliates | SecurityWeek.Com [11:34] schestowitz-TR With Windows, there are back doors. With Linux, however, you need to first get in somehow. The media fails to mention this. https://www.securityweek.com/intezer-documents-powerful-lightning-framework-linux-malware [11:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Intezer Documents Powerful 'Lightning Framework' Linux Malware | SecurityWeek.Com [11:34] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- Intezer Documents Powerful 'Lightning Framework' Linux Malware | SecurityWeek.Com [11:34] schestowitz-TR FreeBSD Foundation: FreeBSD in Science Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167589 [11:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD Foundation: FreeBSD in Science | Tux Machines [11:34] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD Foundation: FreeBSD in Science | Tux Machines [11:34] schestowitz-TR So don't run this script. Nobody forces you to. https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28860 [11:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center [11:34] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center [11:34] schestowitz-TR Using Microsoft backdoorsware to do "research" into security is a gas! https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28872 [11:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center [11:34] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center [11:34] schestowitz-TR Microsofters @ sans dot edu :-) ... about the cult, about the back doors, not about security [11:34] schestowitz-TR This only works if you've already taken over the machine https://www.securityweek.com/new-cross-platform-luna-ransomware-only-offered-russian-affiliates [11:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-New Cross-Platform 'Luna' Ransomware Only Offered to Russian Affiliates | SecurityWeek.Com [11:34] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- New Cross-Platform 'Luna' Ransomware Only Offered to Russian Affiliates | SecurityWeek.Com [11:36] schestowitz-TR SANS: let's use back doors OS in WINDOWS to "prove" SSH is 'dangerous'... [11:41] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Jul 24 [12:02] schestowitz-TR Conflating targets with infects. Just because someone wishes to infect "Linux" with this thing doesn't mean it'll be feasible; with Windows there are back doors https://www.fudzilla.com/news/55138-linux-hit-by-a-rather-nasty-persistent-virus [12:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fudzilla.com | Linux hit by a rather nasty persistent virus [12:02] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:02] Techrights-sec2 it's not even clever enough to be called FUD but the media publishes and [12:02] Techrights-sec2 the PHBs like it because it allows them to continue to rationalize their [12:02] Techrights-sec2 ongoing use of M$ [12:02] Techrights-sec2 through the Microsoft Effect: all software has bugs therefore there is no [12:02] Techrights-sec2 point in trying; even though the nature and quantity of bugs differ there [12:02] Techrights-sec2 by orders of magnitude [12:02] Techrights-sec2 a lot of the "certification" crowd have their panties in a twist over SSH [12:02] Techrights-sec2 anyway for years [12:04] schestowitz-TR This is not security but Linux (Microsoft) Foundation propaganda and stigmatisation that distracts from the back doors https://www.computing.co.uk/feature/4053287/about-sboms-moves-secure-software-supply-chain [12:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.computing.co.uk | All about SBOMs: the latest moves to secure the software supply chain [12:15] schestowitz-TR no posts from Sandra-Henry-Stocker [12:15] schestowitz-TR YUNIX AS A SXECOND LANMGUAGE [12:15] schestowitz-TR since 2-03 weeks ago [12:15] schestowitz-TR maybe IDG(China) is canning her too [12:15] schestowitz-TR no ad revenue from MSFT and co. [12:18] Techrights-sec2 ack [12:57] Techrights-sec2 We can now show TM feed info by X recent entries and not just by date [12:57] Techrights-sec2 the date is not so useful if some time has passed, but is good if there [12:57] Techrights-sec2 are a lot of entries over a shorter time [12:58] schestowitz-TR I'm not sure what good practice is for entry per feed, it probably depends on density of entries and length of each [12:58] schestowitz-TR but for people who refresh once a day ~50 latest should be enough [12:58] schestowitz-TR some detect duplicates based on titlte, some on datastamp and/or url [12:58] schestowitz-TR the idea is to make it visible again when a post gets updated [12:58] schestowitz-TR without creating yet another (new) page [12:59] Techrights-sec2 I'm starting to worry that some combinatino of both methods might be best [12:59] Techrights-sec2 X records or since YYYYMMDD which ever is greater. [12:59] Techrights-sec2 So should the list in latest-news.html [12:59] Techrights-sec2 show the date, too? [12:59] Techrights-sec2 Right now it is title and description. ● Jul 24 [13:00] schestowitz-TR at the moment I am not even sure what to put under desc tbh [13:00] schestowitz-TR as we never had anything other than title, sometimes summary, then full text [13:00] schestowitz-TR but the latter two were always the sdame and merges [13:00] schestowitz-TR *merged [13:01] Techrights-sec2 title only is too terse for a feed [13:02] schestowitz-TR maybe desc can be name of site, which camelcase file can help derive for suggestions [13:02] schestowitz-TR and this way it says something more than headline [13:02] schestowitz-TR also in latest-news [13:04] Techrights-sec2 that'd not be so useful information , hovering over the link will show [13:04] Techrights-sec2 the URL anyway [13:04] Techrights-sec2 but I'm talking about the feed for TM itself as renderd as an HTML definition [13:04] Techrights-sec2 list (DL) in the file latest-news.html [13:04] schestowitz-TR rianne would not like to write summaries and afaik linuxtoday and lxer just quote a portion from the article as the outline [13:04] schestowitz-TR so for a site that linsk to other sites that field is an enigma [13:06] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:06] Techrights-sec2 it [13:06] Techrights-sec2 it's not so much an enigma but instead value added, a reason to follow TM [13:06] schestowitz-TR I wonder if the alga that inputs freeform text, tidied, from nano, can then derive something to be adopted for desc if desc is left blank [13:07] Techrights-sec2 rather than just use the linked site's feed. [13:07] Techrights-sec2 It could, if there were some level of predictability about what ends up in [13:07] Techrights-sec2 the body [13:10] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:11] Techrights-sec2 The description can be short, a one-liner. It does add a lot of usefulness [13:11] Techrights-sec2 to the feed and the ability to work with the records to produce pages. [13:11] schestowitz-TR if I understand, this shows up in [13:11] schestowitz-TR a) latest news [13:11] schestowitz-TR b) rss feeds [13:11] schestowitz-TR c) not in the page? [13:13] Techrights-sec2 a) latest-news (inserted into each page above the footer) [13:13] Techrights-sec2 b) the Atom feed [13:13] Techrights-sec2 c) the search engine results (iirc) for each post, if they get indexed [13:14] schestowitz-TR i see [13:14] schestowitz-TR 50 one liners a day is still a lot of lines to proofread ;-) and harder for rianne [13:14] schestowitz-TR many pages are clusters of links correlated to one another for that day [13:16] Techrights-sec2 Yes, I understand. The site can be done without them, I am for now presenting [13:16] Techrights-sec2 the case for how they can be valuable. Then the description for a link [13:16] Techrights-sec2 cluster would say more or less that. There's no reason not to re-use [13:16] Techrights-sec2 such descriptions over and over [13:16] schestowitz-TR here is an idea [13:16] schestowitz-TR for TR, I can add editorial comments to a lot more picks [13:16] schestowitz-TR and those would be some of the same comments that go as descriptions in TM [13:16] schestowitz-TR ok, that would work [13:16] schestowitz-TR rianne can lead it blank sometimes [13:19] Techrights-sec2 Yes [13:19] Techrights-sec2 It's something to consider and only "needs" to be a line. Having that little [13:19] Techrights-sec2 bit of more information helps people know what's at the link shown and [13:19] Techrights-sec2 entices them to click, with more awareness than just random clicking [13:23] Techrights-sec2 Here is an example, see the second entry in the dl [13:23] Techrights-sec2 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/23/Today_in_Techrights.shtml [13:23] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 401 @ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/23/Today_in_Techrights.shtml ) [13:38] schestowitz-TR yes, you sold it to me [13:38] schestowitz-TR as a way to hit two bird with one stone [13:38] schestowitz-TR opportunity foreditorial comments and also adding something "new" in TM\ [13:38] Techrights-sec2 ok [13:38] schestowitz-TR I am guessing rianne can leave "-" if she has nothing special to say or use some placeholder text [13:38] schestowitz-TR I am going to add half a dozen nodes shortly [13:38] schestowitz-TR to exercise such a workflow [13:38] schestowitz-TR give me 10 mins, tea is on the hob [13:39] schestowitz-TR in the day in techrights page I see some unicode was mishandled a little, at least as shown as html [13:39] schestowitz-TR I've added 3 nodes and am adding some more with descriptions now [13:39] schestowitz-TR tried to refresh the pages, probably ran the wrong commands (outdated) [13:41] Techrights-sec2 which URL? [13:42] schestowitz-TR https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/23/Today_in_Techrights.shtml [13:47] Techrights-sec2 checking [13:47] Techrights-sec2 It seems to be that way in the original body in the database. [13:47] schestowitz-TR so the issue might be at terminal/alpine/console/data entry/clipboard [13:47] schestowitz-TR I will try to pay close attention [13:47] schestowitz-TR you can now refresh or add all the new thingsa in the DB [13:47] schestowitz-TR I've lost track of what command upates which page/.s [13:52] schestowitz-TR finished adding nodes for now [13:52] schestowitz-TR inc. proper desc [13:52] schestowitz-TR I prctices the workflow [13:52] schestowitz-TR terminal in same page as TM add node [13:52] schestowitz-TR and passing around the description between 3 windows to recycle the extra effort [13:52] schestowitz-TR it worked well [13:52] Techrights-sec2 could be, I'm looking into some questions about it [13:52] Techrights-sec2 it seems to get /into/ the database ok, so the problem must be in the other [13:52] Techrights-sec2 script(s) [13:52] Techrights-sec2 excellent [13:55] Techrights-sec2 examining the editing script, it may be an option with tidy ● Jul 24 [14:11] schestowitz-TR as a side note, original tuxmmacines cannot and could never handle eoji [14:11] schestowitz-TR high-0numbered unicode makes it sort of panic and stop processing at the char [14:11] schestowitz-TR not sure if it'sa DB-level limitation [14:11] schestowitz-TR given the age of that DB [14:11] schestowitz-TR which in some sense became dead end since xrevan said innodb migration routes were far from trivial [14:11] Techrights-sec2 ack [14:11] Techrights-sec2 ok something does not like any kind of HTML entities in the text, checking further [14:58] schestowitz-TR editing/updaitng howtos to add new ones [14:58] schestowitz-TR checking the options [14:58] schestowitz-TR managed to update [14:58] schestowitz-TR not sure how to export to html now [14:58] Techrights-sec2 (found yet another difficult utf8 bug, probably with sqlite3) [14:58] Techrights-sec2 export to HTML : [14:58] Techrights-sec2 tm-extract-posts-sql.pl -f -v -d $(date -d '-2 days' +'%F') -s [14:58] Techrights-sec2 the -v is optional and the -f is only needed if updating existing files ● Jul 24 [15:03] Techrights-sec2 I should wrap it all in a script [15:09] schestowitz-TR thanks, now it shows up correctly [15:09] schestowitz-TR what the old site cannot do is, bump updated posts in front page or rss [15:09] schestowitz-TR this way, insted of ~3 "today's [sic] howtos" per day it can be just one for the day [15:09] schestowitz-TR with updates that add more links periodically [15:16] Techrights-sec2 [15:16] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jul 24 [16:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [16:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:40] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 24 [17:29] Techrights-sec2 well either the utf8 situation has been improved or worsened [17:29] Techrights-sec2 either way there are some changes in Git now [17:30] schestowitz-TR back from 2-hour nap, working till 1am now [17:30] schestowitz-TR but will catch up with links [17:30] schestowitz-TR I had dreams working on the beta site [17:30] schestowitz-TR lots of very detailed dreams [17:54] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [17:54] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 24 [18:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [18:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:45] schestowitz-TR lun duke doing a onlyfans again [18:45] schestowitz-TR wasting time write "meta" stuff [18:45] schestowitz-TR and diluting the signal imho [18:45] schestowitz-TR as if the blog is about selling subs [18:45] schestowitz-TR riddle me this [18:45] schestowitz-TR why did he abandon his OWN site [18:45] schestowitz-TR for this third party that is obscure and likely proprietary? [18:53] Techrights-sec2 not sure, he's not been firing on all cylinders since before he got sick [18:54] schestowitz-TR correlated to the mental crisis [18:54] schestowitz-TR like fianncial etc. [18:54] schestowitz-TR oir literally brain damagew (physical)? [18:54] Techrights-sec2 probably both [18:56] schestowitz-TR in a kingdom full of covid-19 recoverees a person without it is in for a helluva time [18:56] schestowitz-TR or, maybe more competitive, nopt sure [18:56] schestowitz-TR I've long said it about people who waste their time with "smart" phones [18:56] schestowitz-TR trying to get "work" done on 5-inch (or smaller) screens [18:56] schestowitz-TR (saw even a prof friend wasting his time like this, his workstation at uni has 4 screens) ● Jul 24 [19:00] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:00] Techrights-sec2 one can spend 20 times the time and effort doing a clumsy job on a smartphone [19:00] Techrights-sec2 or else wait until a reasonable computer is available and get the job done [19:00] Techrights-sec2 in a tiny fraction of the time and effort; but then again "smart" phones are [19:00] Techrights-sec2 about engagment and not efficinency or ease of use [19:01] schestowitz-TR literally 30 secs ago I read Ruben Schade writing about his dreeam where he loses the "phone" [19:01] schestowitz-TR I had a pattern of dreams before when I enter water with the PDA still inside my pocket [19:01] schestowitz-TR must have happened hundreds of times, must be a common theme for other people too [19:02] schestowitz-TR other common dreams: you're back in schools doing exams, needing to attend classes, sometimes showing up barely dressed in thr wrong place, teeth falling out, [19:02] schestowitz-TR those seem to be rather common themes [19:05] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:06] *Techrights-sec is now known as ts2 [19:06] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [19:09] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:09] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:57] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 24 [20:02] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:05] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:10] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:15] schestowitz-TR good news [20:15] schestowitz-TR my uncle is OK [20:15] schestowitz-TR he made it [20:15] schestowitz-TR just needs some therapy for a while ahead [20:15] schestowitz-TR so that puts an end to some really bad thoughts I've been having lately [20:15] schestowitz-TR he wrote a long message directly this time, not via son [20:16] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:22] schestowitz-TR he is old enough to tell ww2 stories where he was stationed in germany as a troop [20:22] schestowitz-TR (for us) [20:26] Techrights-sec2 excellent. I'm glad to hear he is doing ok, [20:27] schestowitz-TR I have been anxious for a week [20:33] Techrights-sec2 yes, understandably [20:46] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [20:46] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:57] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@emhq579846782.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 24 [21:05] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:07] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:08] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:42] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:43] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:43] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 24 [22:08] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:34] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:43] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [22:44] mjg59_ schestowitz-TR: I'm genuinely glad to hear about your uncle, and I know that must have been stressful. ● Jul 24 [23:19] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell