●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Thursday, December 24, 2020 ●● ● Dec 24 [00:00] schestowitz https://twitter.com/TrumpWonNoBS/status/1341406987586822148 [00:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TrumpWonNoBS: @schestowitz Two false statements in one headline. President Trump is not ruining the environment nor is he leaving https://t.co/IYtzVYbda9 [00:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TrumpWonNoBS: @schestowitz Two false statements in one headline. President Trump is not ruining the environment nor is he leaving https://t.co/IYtzVYbda9 ● Dec 24 [01:25] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [01:25] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [01:31] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [01:31] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 24 [03:28] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [03:29] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [03:29] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [03:29] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 24 [07:24] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [07:24] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [07:28] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [07:30] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 24 [08:09] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/12/peb-confirms-that-candidates-will-not.html?showComment=1608473211190#c5392503689488115486 [08:09] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | PEB (seems to) confirm that candidates will not be disqualified for writing during the time allocated for screen breaks and upload time - The IPKat [08:09] schestowitz " [08:09] schestowitz I'm not inclined to be quite as generous as some other commenters regarding Sarah's apology. It came late, only following an unprecedented level of criticism, and appeared reluctant in its tone. And if Sarah's suggestion that the PEB were intending to discipline candidates had been correct, presumably the PEB would not have been willing to forgo such discipline just by candidates apologising? [08:09] schestowitz Sarah has shown herself repeatedly to be unfit to be involved in PEB exams - she has poor judgement and appears to typify the stubborn, arrogant, and jobsworth attitude of the PEB. It appears almost a bad joke that she's involved in P6 infringement and validity exams, given her clear ineptitude at assessing infringement. [08:09] schestowitz " [08:11] schestowitz " [08:11] schestowitz "Congratulations" with your pyrrhic victory - now no-one knowledgeable will comment at all. Thankfully, it is clear that no-one will be penalised. But surely a better outcome would be improvement in the communication? [08:12] schestowitz If it is the apology that you value most, you might need to self-reflect on why. The patent world attracts a lot of people focussed on being right, never admitting mistakes or being wrong, never admitting that they cannot do something. Assumes that they will never lose a case. But that can (and frequently does) lead to a burnout in the future. [08:12] schestowitz Yes, I am a patent attorney of many years who is still learning, frequently makes mistakes, and has lost a few cases :-) [08:12] schestowitz " [08:12] schestowitz " [08:12] schestowitz Sarah on IPKat blog on Friday, 4 December 2020 at 10:16:00 GMT: "Finals candidates are usually a pass or fail regardless of the time taken because they either do or don't demonstrate that they know what they are doing." [08:12] schestowitz Sarah in her apology of 16 December: "As a Marking Examiner I have a view on the impact that the additional time may have on results and will be making these known to the Governance Board." [08:12] schestowitz Presumably Sarah will be making known her views that the additional time is unlikely to have had any impact on the results. [08:12] schestowitz " [08:13] schestowitz " [08:13] schestowitz Graver Tank, once again you have spectacularly missed the point. You have already said that it is ridiculous to "demand" an apology from Sarah. So presumably, the criticism in your post above in relation to the inability to admit mistakes is directed to candidates and qualified attorneys. Literally no one is arguing this point in any way. For the last time, what everyone is riled up about is the Chief Examiner making irresponsible [08:13] schestowitz statements (and not as a one off). And why is this a pyrrhic victory? You think now we will not get any communication from the PEB? As others have said above, no information is preferable to misinformation. [08:14] schestowitz Regarding your earlier comment that you have been "involved in teaching and making exams and evaluation tests for many years" I do hope you are not referring to PEB exams. [08:14] schestowitz " [08:24] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [08:25] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [08:31] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [08:32] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Dec 24 [12:37] Techrights-sec2 Merry Christmas [12:37] Techrights-sec2 https://areena.yle.fi/1-50632774 [12:37] Techrights-sec2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Peace [12:37] Techrights-sec2 No crowds were allowed this year. [12:37] Techrights-sec2 https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/peace_declaration_marks_official_start_of_christmas_without_audience_amid_corona_crisis/1 [12:37] Techrights-sec2 1714541 [12:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-areena.yle.fi | Suomen Turku julistaa Joulurauhan | Suomen Turku julistaa joulurauhan | TV | Areena | yle.fi [12:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Christmas Peace - Wikipedia [12:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/peace_declaration_marks_official_start_of_christmas_without_audience_amid_corona_crisis/1 ) [12:37] Techrights-sec2 more on the history theme : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96sterland [12:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | sterland - Wikipedia ● Dec 24 [13:23] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:24] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [13:28] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: No route to host) [13:29] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [13:31] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [13:31] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [13:31] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:32] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [13:36] schestowitz A bit of a taboo opinion: less crowded is better. Better for the planet, we just need to focus on agriculture and breed a little less (not zero, that would mean extinction of the species... not that nature in general would mind that happening) [13:36] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:36] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [13:37] Techrights-sec2 yeah, it's rather simple but nice and not lots of disorder [13:37] Techrights-sec2 another tradition is the sauna [13:37] Techrights-sec2 even the cat participates, though only for a short while [13:37] Techrights-sec2 she enjoys the heat but gets too hot quickly [13:37] Techrights-sec2 the carrying capacity of the planet is very much exceeded [13:37] Techrights-sec2 https://www.overshootday.org/ [13:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.overshootday.org | Earth Overshoot Day 2020 - Earth Overshoot Day [13:37] Techrights-sec2 (javascript) [13:37] Techrights-sec2 \ [13:38] schestowitz TMJ;dr [13:38] schestowitz Too much JavaScript ;-) [13:38] Techrights-sec2 https://www.sciencealert.com/earth-overshoot-day-is-a-month-later-then-last-year-thanks-to-covid-19 [13:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.sciencealert.com | For The First Time in Years, Earth Overshoot Day Has Been Pushed to a Later Date [13:39] Techrights-sec2 Too many sites are poisoned with JS these days. It is job security for the [13:39] Techrights-sec2 "designers" and wasted electricity for everyone else, not to mention time and [13:39] Techrights-sec2 security. [13:39] schestowitz not just security; they cause people to buy new machines to replace the "slow" ones [13:40] schestowitz how long does a raspi3/4 last in normal condition? 10 years estimated to be achievable? [13:41] schestowitz Now Wintel induced class insecurity and a sense of shame if you use an old machine. Same for phones [13:42] Techrights-sec2 Yes, Wintel boosters used to tell people to throw away their machine when it [13:42] Techrights-sec2 filled up with Windows viruses and javascripts and thus became "too slow" [13:42] Techrights-sec2 One computer I use daily has survived since 2009 (knock on wood) [13:42] Techrights-sec2 That's not a raspberry pi [13:42] Techrights-sec2 The limiting factor with the RPi will be the microSD card [13:42] Techrights-sec2 That depends on the quality and the nature of the use, heavy writing will [13:43] schestowitz "ted", which died this March (you would remember), goes back to 2009 purchase by Rianne [13:48] Techrights-sec2 That depends on the quality and the nature of the use, heavy writing will [13:48] Techrights-sec2 wear out a cheap one faster [13:48] Techrights-sec2 Yes, same for cars [13:48] Techrights-sec2 Witel sells based amost purely on an appeal to novelty. [13:48] Techrights-sec2 And on sunk cost. [13:48] Techrights-sec2 Both are logical fallacies. [13:48] Techrights-sec2 There was a good article or two about why one should only purchase used machines. [13:48] Techrights-sec2 There is a dude in town who does that. Actually, I know of two. I should [13:48] Techrights-sec2 contact both next time. [13:48] Techrights-sec2 I have one machine from 2003 but I stopped using that one in 2016 [13:48] Techrights-sec2 It still works (AFAIK) but is in storage. [13:48] Techrights-sec2 Mostly I have severl newish ones these days. I hope they last as well as the [13:48] Techrights-sec2 older ones. I see no reason to buy a new one unless to get away from x86 again [13:49] Techrights-sec2 getting coffee... [13:51] schestowitz toby (the old IRC bot developer, before Twitter cut off the APIs) said something about having to educate people about recycling and repurposing things. Chinese cheap labour makes the financial arguments weaker. Classic externalities; we "appeal to novelty" at the backs on people's hard work. [13:58] Techrights-sec2 Yes, there are some right-to-repair laws finally in place, in some [13:58] Techrights-sec2 jurisdictions. I think it is spreading but not yet at a tipping point. [13:58] Techrights-sec2 We reuse a lot. ● Dec 24 [14:02] schestowitz excellent, maybe I can publish the write-up along with my own video (need to see if/how they blend) [14:14] Techrights-sec2 "durable" goods are another area of waste. Like the notebook computers, [14:14] Techrights-sec2 refrigerators, washing machines, dryers, freezers, stoves, microwaves, etc, [14:14] Techrights-sec2 are designed (yes designed) to fall apart shortly after the warranty period [14:14] Techrights-sec2 ends. ● Dec 24 [18:27] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell