●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Thursday, March 25, 2021 ●● ● Mar 25 [06:07] schestowitz [02:50] did you see EFF is attacking RMS also? [06:07] schestowitz [06:06] I saw a few sigs [06:07] schestowitz [06:06] but it is not EFF ● Mar 25 [08:04] schestowitz [06:20] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/statement-re-election-richard-stallman-fsf-board [08:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Statement on the Re-election of Richard Stallman to the FSF Board | Electronic Frontier Foundation [08:04] schestowitz [08:04] thanks, I am responding with some links now [08:29] schestowitz x https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/court_extends_10m_asset_seizure_of_troubled_psychotherapy_firms_founder/11853614 [08:29] schestowitz # windoze tco [08:29] schestowitz = [08:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yle.fi | Court extends 10m asset seizure of troubled psychotherapy firm's founder | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi [08:29] schestowitz x https://www.newsweek.com/bill-gates-dim-block-sun-chalk-dust-climate-change-1578410 [08:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.newsweek.com | Bill Gates-funded Study to Dim Sunlight May Be Needed Against 'Horrific' Climate Change [08:29] schestowitz # bill sez [08:29] schestowitz x https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210324-01.html [08:29] schestowitz = [08:29] schestowitz x https://www.itnews.com.au/news/calls-grow-to-exile-stallman-from-free-software-movement-562585?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=iTnews+ [08:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfe.org | Statement on Richard Stallman rejoining the FSF board - FSFE [08:29] schestowitz # trolls intentionally spreading disinformation, and taking the [08:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.itnews.com.au | Calls grow to exile Stallman from Free Software movement - Software - iTnews [08:29] schestowitz # heat off of Bill [08:35] schestowitz x https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxGamer:f/RMS-is-back-at-the-FSF--Proof-they-don't-care-about-free-software.:3 [08:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | RMS is back at the FSF: Proof they don't care about free software. ● Mar 25 [11:13] *polxy (opticnerve@gateway/vpn/airvpn/opticnerve) has joined #boycottnovell [11:27] schestowitz http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/17/technicality-at-epo-after-g-1-19/ [11:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Technicality at EPO After G 1/19 - Kluwer Patent Blog [11:27] schestowitz " [11:27] schestowitz It is to be hoped that this provocative piece attracts comment. I have only done one quick skim and have not yet read through G1/19 itself yet, but I offer a comment in an effort to get the thread up and running. [11:27] schestowitz The author laments the absence of a definition of technical and asserts that this absence is to be regretted because an opportunity was lost, to increase legal certainty. I disagree. Those who wrote the EPC knew better than to include in it a definition of invention (or obvious or inventive) because they appreciated that no definition would be good enough to withstand the onward rush of technology for [11:27] schestowitz the next 50 or a hundred years. Further, I am sceptical that any definition would raise legal certainty to a level higher than the one already attained. My gut feeling tells me that, to the contrary, any such definition, being expressed in mere words, will lack 100% clarity and will immediately be exploited by assiduous advocates to cast doubts and erode such legal certainty as we have already attained. [11:27] schestowitz There is a good reason why Art 84, EPC is not a ground of attack on validity after issue. Every claim that was ever granted by the EPC can be attacked for its level of clarity being less than 100%. Any definition of technical should be abjured, for the same reason. [11:27] schestowitz francis hagel [11:27] schestowitz MARCH 19, 2021 AT 5:00 PM [11:27] schestowitz Dear Max Drei, thanks for keeping this thread alive. [11:27] schestowitz It seems the word technical is treated not just at the EPO, but within the entire patent sphere, much like this very important legal test, the elephant test, which goes like this : I cant describe an elephant, but I know one if I see one. [11:27] schestowitz It is noteworthy that the EPA in G3/08 turned down requests for a definition of technical . It can be said this was wise given the pace of changes in technology of this last decade. A more recent TBA decision (T 144/11 of August 2018) acknowledges that the distinction technical/non-technical is a gray area , and recent TBA decisions struggle to provide insights to practitioners in terms of predictability as they mix [11:27] schestowitz technical and non-technical factors in their analysis. Constant expansion of digitisation to all areas of activity is certain to multiply the technical/non-technical intrications. [11:27] schestowitz I am skeptical of efforts toward a unified positive definition of what is technical or of a technical character , for the simple reason that the term technical encompasses different meanings, if it is based on the negative definition in Article 52(2) which is a disparate list of exclusions grounded on different policy objectives. [11:27] schestowitz Exclusion of mathematical methods aims to ensure free access to the public for the common good and relates to an abstract/concrete divide. [11:27] schestowitz Exclusion of business methods can be justified by the perception that there is no need to create incentives for innovations in these field. [11:27] schestowitz Exclusion of aesthetic creations, software and plant varieties is justified by the existence of separate legal instruments covering these creations and the concern about cumulative protections. [11:27] schestowitz As to the definition of an invention quoted from the Rote Taube decision instruction for planned action to achieve a calculable causal result through the application of controllable natural forces, it is not clear it can cover inventions using AI, as the outputs generated by an AI system are considered unpredictable for the creators of the system, owing to the black box character of neural networks. [11:27] schestowitz . [11:28] schestowitz MaxDrei [11:28] schestowitz MARCH 20, 2021 AT 11:21 AM [11:28] schestowitz Dear francis hagel, I enjoyed reading your answer, especially its mention of unpredictability. It used to be supposed that the whole of chem/bio was unpredictable but it is becoming ever less so, right. So just as what has technical character is evolving, so is what is predictable. [11:28] schestowitz The patent statute in the USA confines to the useful arts eligibility for grant of the exclusive right of a patent. Personally, I see that as more or less a synonym for the all fields of technology of GATT-TRIPS. But many US patent attorneys like to argue that it is much wider than that even though, as you point out, the case for patentability of business methods has yet to be made. Patents are restraints on free trade. [11:28] schestowitz Any creep of patent rights into fields where they deliver no incentive to progress or prosperity should be resisted, I think. [11:28] schestowitz The US Supreme Court is careful to avoid defining what is meant in the Statute by useful arts. Probably wise, I suppose. [11:28] schestowitz francis hagel [11:28] schestowitz MARCH 20, 2021 AT 3:35 PM [11:28] schestowitz Dear Max Drei, [11:28] schestowitz Thanks for your kind words. [11:28] schestowitz The situation in the US tends to switch from an extreme to the other, this applies in particular to patent law. The CAFC has become pro-patent at the turn of the 1980s because of the competition of Japan, and we have seen the grant of business method patents. NPEs in the 2000s has logically targeted big industry and banks because of the expectation of big awards but this has triggered spectacular changes in all areas of US law [11:28] schestowitz (eBay, KSR, Alice etc) very unfavourable to NPEs. This is just to say that the developments of patent law are deeply dependent on global factors. Compared to the US, patent law in Europe has shown remarkable stability (regrettably for some colleagues), and the EPO deserves credit for that. [11:28] schestowitz MaxDrei [11:28] schestowitz MARCH 21, 2021 AT 3:17 PM [11:28] schestowitz Indeed. Swings from one extreme to the other. Just now, we read that Judge Wallach at the CAFC is to retire and the talk on the blogs is of whether his replacement will be a pro-patent or an anti-patent person. Hard to imagine such a debate in Europe (at least if its at the EPO or in England). [11:28] schestowitz Perhaps it would be different if the EPOs Boards were to decide infringement cases and if the members could write dissenting opinions, because the global factors you mention must inevitably influence thinking also in the patents courts of Europe. [11:28] schestowitz Andr Frans [11:28] schestowitz MARCH 17, 2021 AT 9:09 PM [11:28] schestowitz what are aesthetic creations and computer programs doing in the list when they can be technical? [11:28] schestowitz Juge Jacob once said that the technical excuse of the EPO was a restatement of the same problem. In other words, its a loophole to make software patentable anyway, despite the exclusion in the law. [11:28] schestowitz Fabian Stanke [11:28] schestowitz MARCH 18, 2021 AT 5:57 PM [11:28] schestowitz In my view G 1/19 fortunately does not touch the overarching principles of technicality assessment discussed by the author. Those are well-defined and reliable since G 3/08. The further technical effect on the one hand and the any hardware approach on the other hand are complementary. They dont need any link. [11:28] schestowitz Applied to the question raised by the author in the one but last paragraph: If you need the further technical effect to pass the first hurdle, you anyway likely have no basis for Hitachi unter Article 56 (otherwise you would have used that for the first hurdle). More often even for the process, and always for the product , Hitachi will help you over the first hurdle and you will need some new ideas for the second. [11:28] schestowitz What G 1/19 may (and was expected to) clarify was, whether the effects of a simulation can be technical yes they can. And under what circumstances I feel its slightly more generous than COMVIK, but yet have to sort it out for myself. [11:28] schestowitz Attentive Observer [11:28] schestowitz MARCH 19, 2021 AT 11:06 AM [11:28] schestowitz I am not sure what the aim of the author of the blog wanted to reach when he wrote his blog. [11:28] schestowitz I fully agree with Max Drei, and to be honest I find also the blog unnecessary provocative. It is a nice play on words but does not help whatsoever. [11:28] schestowitz It reminds of a joke. What is the difference between a lawyer and a scientist? For the scientist the current flows or does not flow. For a lawyer it might flow or not depending on the intended result. [11:28] schestowitz I do not think that by simply coming up with a new word like technicality the problems with CII will be solved. A bit of common sense when it comes to understanding what technical means could help a lot! [11:28] schestowitz What is very often forgotten is the original reason as to why computer programs where considered not patentable. It is simply because no significant search can be carried out when the disclosure resumes itself to a program listing. There are so many different programing languages with all their own syntax and rules, that it is impossible for a search authority to make prior art searches for those types of inventions. For genes a [11:28] schestowitz solution was found: electronic filing of sequence according to a specific format. [11:28] schestowitz Only short excerpts of programs have ever been accepted at the EPO, cf. early editions of the Guidelines. Long listings of sometimes hundred pages had to be deleted before grant, exactly like the clauses. For all CII inventions, the inventive idea had to be clad in everyday language. Cryptography or error correcting codes are mainly mathematics, but they can have a direct technical effect, like requiring less bandwidth during [11:28] schestowitz transmission or storage space. That is to me perfectly patentable. [11:28] schestowitz I think the case law of the BA has brought a coherent set of conditions as how to protect CII. In my view I did not really understand the necessity of the referral in G 1/19. Over all it has not brought matters fundamentally forward. [11:28] schestowitz Another point which should also not be forgotten is that Art 52(2) should have been revised in what was called a second basket after the Diplomatic conference of 2000. Nothing has happened in this respect and we have seen the EBA coming up with a dynamic interpretation in order not to have the necessity of amending Art 53(b) and simply allowing the introduction of R 28(2). [11:28] schestowitz Last but not least, calling for the EU to solve the problem of the CII at the EPO is somehow surprising when it comes from a lawyer working in a firm of EP representatives. It is also ignoring that the EPO has many more member states as the EU. [11:28] schestowitz It is for good reasons that the founders of the EPC took their distance with the EU as the member states of the EU, or the Common Market as it was called at the time, were unable to reach an agreement upon a European Patent for the common market. No less than four attempts were made, and it is only the pressure of the PCT which made them move and end up with the EPC. They did not achieve this goal either with the UPC which, [11:28] schestowitz should it ever come into force, will not be valid for all EU member states. [11:29] schestowitz Andr Frans [11:29] schestowitz MARCH 19, 2021 AT 8:29 PM [11:29] schestowitz Cryptography or error correcting codes are mainly mathematics [11:29] schestowitz Or they are computer programs. [11:29] schestowitz But whether it save CPU/bandwidth ressources of the computer does not matter at all. As they are just different mathematics (or a different computer program). [11:29] schestowitz " [11:32] schestowitz https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26532125 [11:32] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.ycombinator.com | IBM Is Destroying Red Hat and Red Hatters Are Leaving | Hacker News [11:32] schestowitz " [11:32] schestowitz I work for Red Hat. [11:32] schestowitz This article doesn't match (my) reality. I can speak only for myself, but very little has changed, and what changes there have been, are more easily attributable to the leadership shuffles after Jim moved up, than anything else. [11:32] schestowitz Two thing that they are absolutely wrong about, is the claim that there were layoffs last year which included Red Hat, which didn't happen... and the truly lol-worthy claim that (quote) "the Fedora project is being outsourced to Microsoft and AWS", because many repositories are on Github and some of the build infrastructure is hosted on Amazon. [11:32] schestowitz "tech rights" has a bit of a ... reputation. I would perhaps take their claims with a shaker full of salt. [11:32] schestowitz https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4541p6/can_we_not_po... [11:32] schestowitz reply [11:32] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | Can we not post links to Techrights, please? : linux [11:32] schestowitz [11:32] schestowitz cfcosta 3 days ago [] [11:32] schestowitz I left Red Hat less than a month ago. No relation at all with IBM, in my experience they have been welcoming and pretty aligned with the goals my team had. Great company. [11:32] schestowitz Sorry if I gave them ammo by leaving and inflating the numbers, but it was only a coincidence, I swear. [11:32] schestowitz reply [11:32] schestowitz [11:32] schestowitz choeger 3 days ago [] [11:32] schestowitz Thank you very much for this clarification. [11:32] schestowitz reply [11:32] schestowitz [11:32] schestowitz rambojazz 2 days ago [] [11:32] schestowitz You have to read Techrights with a pinch of salt. They are often very hyperbolic. [11:32] schestowitz reply [11:32] schestowitz [11:32] schestowitz marcodiego 3 days ago [] [11:32] schestowitz You work for Red Hat, nice! Would you give us any hint or bit of information if IBM has any plans to release an affordable POWER system similar to BlackBird entirely designed by IBM from processor to OS? [11:32] schestowitz reply [11:32] schestowitz [11:32] schestowitz dralley 3 days ago [] [11:32] schestowitz I have no idea what IBM is up to, honestly. It doesn't impact me. It's not something I would be in any position to talk about even if I did, though. [11:32] schestowitz reply [11:32] schestowitz [11:32] schestowitz wmf 3 days ago [] [11:32] schestowitz Former IBMer here. It would be impossible for IBM to release an affordable Power system for many reasons including culture and margins. If you want Blackbird go ahead and buy it. [11:33] schestowitz reply [11:33] schestowitz [11:33] schestowitz als0 3 days ago [] [11:33] schestowitz IBM doesn't make workstations or PCs anymore. They gave that business (along with expertise) to Lenovo. [11:33] schestowitz reply [11:33] schestowitz [11:33] schestowitz kbrwn 3 days ago [] [11:33] schestowitz I recently left Red Hat (Feb 2021). I joined from the CoreOS acquisition in 2018. For the most part I enjoyed working at Red Hat. Honestly the real reason I left because of GME but there where a few things that convinced me to move: [11:33] schestowitz 1) Killing CentOS/CoreOS. Replacing these two stable OSs with unstable upstreams in CentOS Stream/Fedora CoreOS. [11:33] schestowitz 2) So many container tools that have overlapping tasks yet perform in completely different manners (podman, buildah, cri-o, skopeo, tekton, openshift, quay, libpod). Interoperability between all these projects was a constant struggle. [11:33] schestowitz 3) Forced usage of IRC. I shouldn't have to run my own bouncer to get features like history, push notifications, identity services. I cannot comprehend how in 2021 at a major corporation I would receive irc messages from usernames like "cloudpizza9000" or "m0use" and be expected to know who these people are and take things seriously enough to work together. It seemed like I was in a 90s chat room with a bunch of strangers. [11:33] schestowitz reply [11:33] schestowitz [11:33] schestowitz caskstrength 3 days ago [] [11:33] schestowitz > Forced usage of IRC. I shouldn't have to run my own bouncer to get features like history, push notifications, identity services. I cannot comprehend how in 2021 at a major corporation I would receive irc messages from usernames like "cloudpizza9000" or "m0use" and be expected to know who these people are and take things seriously enough to work together. It seemed like I was in a 90s chat room with a bunch of strangers. [11:33] schestowitz That sounds great! Would love to work for company like that. Meanwhile in my company we are now migrating to Teams from Lync and Slack and general IT infrastructure is usual MS-shitshow... [11:33] schestowitz reply [11:33] schestowitz [11:33] schestowitz dzsekijo 2 days ago [] [11:33] schestowitz I'm also in RH. Our team is on Google Chat for some years now. Ironically, I preferred IRC as I could run my own instance of Weechat continuosly on a server and logged all conversations, so could extract information from history by grep et al. The hist search UI in gchat is much more cumbersome. [11:33] schestowitz reply [11:33] schestowitz [11:33] schestowitz anreadea 3 days ago [] [11:33] schestowitz Where did you work in RHT? In the openshift org everyone is on slack, i haven't touched to my IRC client for a long time (for work stuff at least) [11:33] schestowitz reply [11:33] schestowitz [11:33] schestowitz dralley 2 days ago [] [11:33] schestowitz The older engineering orgs are on IRC, partially because many of the upstream communities were on IRC. It's slowly changing for the same reason (IRC falling out of favor in the broader community). [11:33] schestowitz There's a mix of IRC, Slack, RocketChat, and GChat. [11:33] schestowitz reply [11:33] schestowitz [11:33] schestowitz jhrozek 3 days ago [] [11:33] schestowitz (Disclaimer: I work for Red Hat) [11:33] schestowitz Please pay attention to the previous submission about RH from this platform. The author seems to have an agenda and likes to stir controversy. [11:33] schestowitz Nothing in his post matches my experience. [11:33] schestowitz reply [11:33] schestowitz [11:33] schestowitz penguin_linux 3 days ago [] [11:33] schestowitz >AWS is about learning and memorising GUIs, not real skills, and those skills become useless anyway as soon as you move to a customer/server that doesnt have AWS [11:33] schestowitz This is not my experience with AWS or Red Hat whatsoever. Most, if not all AWS users I've worked with use languages like terraform and emphasize importance of Infrastructure as Code, _not_using the GUI. Cloud concepts are more important than the GUI. [11:34] schestowitz The same goes for the core concepts behind Ansible/Openshift. Both are not only available free, but they emphasize IaC over GUI. [11:34] schestowitz reply [11:34] schestowitz [11:34] schestowitz prepend 3 days ago [] [11:34] schestowitz This was confusing to me. Ive never met anyone who uses the GUI for anyone substantial. And know quite a few folks who never use the GUI and either solely use the API or use some framework that uses the API. [11:34] schestowitz If anything AWS skills are more portable because of all the reverse engineered APIs and whatnot. [11:34] schestowitz reply [11:34] schestowitz [11:34] schestowitz JoyrexJ9 3 days ago [] [11:34] schestowitz Yeah I was following along with the article up until that point. Pretty dumb thing to say by someone that probably has never run production workloads on a public cloud [11:34] schestowitz reply [11:34] schestowitz [11:34] schestowitz chr15p 3 days ago [] [11:34] schestowitz I enjoyed the "Fedora is being outsourced to Microsoft and AWS" line, turns out they mean Fedora uses github and aws. [11:34] schestowitz The "layoffs" link implies layoffs at Red Hat but the linked story talks about layoffs at microsoft(!) and IBM (ok at least thats closer but "IBM is gutting Red Hat by maybe possibly could-be laying off IBM staff" is a weird logical leap) [11:34] schestowitz So just another attempt to drive clicks via a shock headline and a nothing story. [11:34] schestowitz (Edit: my spelling is terrible) [11:34] schestowitz reply [11:34] schestowitz [11:34] schestowitz marcodiego 3 days ago [] [11:34] schestowitz This is very very sad and may jeopardize the future of linux. IBM produces POWER processors, they could buy or mimic Raptor Computing Systems and offer an entirely IBM-designed system from processor to OS; something that today only apple can offer. It is very sad to see such great potential wasted. [11:34] schestowitz When IBM bought Red Hat, many people were waiting an inverse buy out, something like when apple bought NeXT. It looks like that is not what is happening. [11:34] schestowitz reply [11:34] schestowitz [11:34] schestowitz onli 3 days ago [] [11:34] schestowitz No, this would be likely positive for Linux. The centralization of decision power about the linux ecosystem via Redhat lead to net negative developments like systemd adoption, X11 being left to rot under Redhat leadership in favour of a Wayland solution that still does not work properly, and Gnome 3 being pushed as the mainstream linux solution. If Redhat really would implode the natural, likely more decentralized development [11:34] schestowitz efforts would gain weight and prevent errors like those. The article even mentions that with the abstraction as sale argument remarks. [11:34] schestowitz reply [11:34] schestowitz [11:34] schestowitz eldelshell 3 days ago [] [11:34] schestowitz Are you still salty about systemd? Let it go, let it go. [11:34] schestowitz reply [11:34] schestowitz [11:34] schestowitz onli 3 days ago [] [11:34] schestowitz Does systemd still have binary logs? There is your answer. [11:34] schestowitz reply [11:34] schestowitz [11:34] schestowitz corty 3 days ago [] [11:34] schestowitz Unsurprising, really. I wonder if they can ever pull a SuSE and get out of IBM again, just as SuSE got out of Novell. [11:34] schestowitz reply [11:35] schestowitz [11:35] schestowitz toomuchtodo 3 days ago [] [11:35] schestowitz I dont think theres anything stopping Redhat folks from starting a new enterprise and building another commercial version off of CentOS. If successful, they could strip mine IBM for the useful Redhat talent and leave IBM with the cruft. [11:35] schestowitz reply [11:35] schestowitz [11:35] schestowitz Shared404 3 days ago [] [11:35] schestowitz That might be difficult though, with IBM retaining the brand that people aren't fired for purchasing. [11:35] schestowitz IT would know to go with the Redhat talent, but would management go with it? [11:35] schestowitz reply [11:35] schestowitz [11:35] schestowitz dragonwriter 3 days ago [] [11:35] schestowitz RedHat has good enterprise relations, but it doesn't seem to be a no-brainer brand the way old school IBM was or the way Microsoft more recently has been. [11:35] schestowitz If they can get some decent enterprise sales, support, and profesional services folks as well as developers, theyll do fine. [11:35] schestowitz reply [11:35] schestowitz [11:35] schestowitz corty 3 days ago [] [11:35] schestowitz I'm not so sure there. RedHat is what you pick to check a box somewhere that says "OS supported with this software/hardware/whatever". There isn't really a technical argument to pay for RedHat over CentOS, beyond box-ticking. Now a RedHat-replacement would first have to get all software and hardware vendors to support their new no-name distro. And given that this has even been hard on Oracle, I'm sceptical in general... [11:35] schestowitz reply [11:35] schestowitz [11:35] schestowitz goatinaboat 3 days ago [] [11:35] schestowitz That might be difficult though, with IBM retaining the brand that people aren't fired for purchasing. [11:35] schestowitz The MariaDB guys pulled it off [11:35] schestowitz reply [11:35] schestowitz [11:35] schestowitz rstat1 3 days ago [] [11:35] schestowitz Not sure I really believe anything in this article. Especially given this site's reputation for Fox News style "reporting"(meaning made up BS). [11:35] schestowitz reply [11:35] schestowitz [11:35] schestowitz eldelshell 3 days ago [] [11:35] schestowitz It's all bullshit. [11:35] schestowitz reply [11:35] schestowitz [11:35] schestowitz anreadea 3 days ago [] [11:35] schestowitz My experience someone who work for Red Hat, I had only (engineering) good relationship with the IBM people, i never heard anything about lay off or projects that needs to be killed or other devil things IBM people may do because of IBM , they are rather nice most of them actually..... [11:35] schestowitz reply [11:35] schestowitz [11:35] schestowitz tyingq 3 days ago [] [11:35] schestowitz The article talks quite a lot about comments here: https://www.thelayoff.com/t/17y7dQRz#replies [11:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thelayoff.com | Let's double - post regarding Red Hat layoffs [11:35] schestowitz But I don't see much of anything there. One negative comment from "anonymous". [11:35] schestowitz reply [11:36] schestowitz [11:36] schestowitz bob33212 3 days ago [] [11:36] schestowitz This was the plan all along. Because IBM is a services company they actually make more money when they have lower quality employees. It is better to bill people out at 300/hour who are going to screw things up and make the project twice as long rather than bill people out at 500/hour when they are going to be able to finish early or scrap the project entirely because it was vaporware to begin with. [11:36] schestowitz reply [11:36] schestowitz [11:36] schestowitz dralley 3 days ago [] [11:36] schestowitz IBM is in the process of spinning off the entire consulting / services side of the company so that IBM proper can focus on "hybrid cloud", so this theory makes zero sense. [11:36] schestowitz https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/10/ibm-t... [11:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | IBM to split into two companies by end of 2021 | Ars Technica [11:36] schestowitz reply [11:36] schestowitz [11:36] schestowitz nottorp 3 days ago [] [11:36] schestowitz The article may or may not be accurate, but it's my personal opinion that I'm to small to go anywhere near IBM or Oracle. [11:36] schestowitz So RedHat may still be a paradise for employees, I still can't afford it. [11:36] schestowitz reply [11:36] schestowitz [11:36] schestowitz vinay_ys 3 days ago [] [11:36] schestowitz I've been at 3 startups so far that couldn't afford Redhat when we were small and so we hand rolled everything ourselves in house. By the time we could, it didn't matter anymore. IBM/Redhat is relevant only to old-school banks and such. Not really relevant for YC/HN crowd. [11:36] schestowitz reply [11:36] schestowitz [11:36] schestowitz prepend 3 days ago [] [11:36] schestowitz This article says AWS is... an exploiter of Free software and I think this is a misleading choice of words because exploit has a connotation that someone is being taken advantage of. [11:36] schestowitz Using free software as it was designed and explicitly allowed isnt exploiting. [11:36] schestowitz I know theres a discussion and debate and all that, but using this kind of non-settled language casually in a sentence makes me less likely to find an article genuine and accurate. [11:36] schestowitz reply [11:36] schestowitz [11:36] schestowitz Shared404 3 days ago [] [11:36] schestowitz IBM IBM's. [11:36] schestowitz It's has and will continue happening forever as far as I can tell. [11:36] schestowitz reply [11:36] schestowitz [11:36] schestowitz eldelshell 3 days ago [] [11:36] schestowitz What a bunch of crap. [11:36] schestowitz reply [11:36] schestowitz [11:36] schestowitz flyinghamster 3 days ago [] [11:36] schestowitz My first hint that things were starting to go sideways was the extended delay in bringing out CentOS 7, followed by a kernel bug that affected my CPU, where a fix was quickly available to RHEL users, and slow in coming to CentOS users. The final straw was trying to keep ZFS built; after one last time where the next kernel's ZFS module failed to build, it was out with CentOS on my home file server, and in with Ubuntu Server. I haven' [11:36] schestowitz t looked back. I have one last CentOS box, running Asterisk, that I'm about to switch to Debian. [11:36] schestowitz Then, it seemed like, all too often, I'd look up a question about CentOS, and get a link to a paywalled page on access.redhat.com for my trouble. Thanks, guys... [11:36] schestowitz CentOS 8 came after even worse delays than 7, and, when I spun it up in a VM for a test drive, none of my preferred desktops were available. I said NOPE and moved on. [11:36] schestowitz And now, we have this mess. What a shame it had to end this way. [11:37] schestowitz reply [11:37] schestowitz [11:37] schestowitz geofft 3 days ago [] [11:37] schestowitz You do remember that, a couple years ago, CentOS was a community project with no relation with Red Hat that went rather out of its way to avoid mentioning Red Hat and drawing trademark ire? [11:37] schestowitz Also it costs $40/year to get access to the paywalled docs. [11:37] schestowitz Anyway, what a shame it is that Red Hat was acquired by IBM. With customers like you, it's baffling that Red Hat thought they couldn't stay profitable on their own.... [11:37] schestowitz reply [11:37] schestowitz [11:37] schestowitz flyinghamster 2 days ago [] [11:37] schestowitz The personal attack is uncalled for. Not to mention, is Red Hat really interested in an individual running a home-built file server? I'm not a huge enterprise. [11:37] schestowitz Normally, I'm self-supporting enough with my home network that I'd never need a support contract in the first place, and the workaround for my kernel bug was to run an older kernel until the fix was in place. [11:37] schestowitz reply [11:37] schestowitz [11:37] schestowitz sofixa 3 days ago [] [11:37] schestowitz > Also it costs $40/year to get access to the paywalled docs [11:37] schestowitz Documentation should never be paywalled. It kills SEO and usability, and is very user hostile. [11:37] schestowitz Why are you under the impression that GP is or wants to be a customer? I'm not a customer of Google for writing Go code, or of Microsoft for using VS Code, or of Sentry for self-hosting their awesome product. Using FOSS CentOS doesn't make anyone a customer of RH, and that's why the latter screwed the former by abandoning CentOS8 and going back on the announced support lifecycle. [11:37] schestowitz reply [11:37] schestowitz [11:37] schestowitz geofft 3 days ago [] [11:37] schestowitz Well, if neither you nor the GP are willing to be customers of Red Hat, didn't you get exactly what you paid for? Of course putting docs behind a paywall is hostile to non-paying users! So am I! [11:37] schestowitz (it's also empirically untrue that it kills SEO, given how frequently the docs in question show up in search results.) [11:37] schestowitz Like there are two clear options. You can contribute your own labor to a community distro like pre-acquisition CentOS or to Debian, or you can pay for the software you use - and it costs very little money to pay for it. If you do neither, and you lament that things are going poorly for you, you might want to rethink your expectations. Things are going very well for others. [11:37] schestowitz An independent CentOS probably could have survived if people were willing to put in the work of release engineering. Unfortunately, there ended up just being one user of CentOS who cared enough to put in the work - and that customer ended up being Red Hat itself. That's why they acquired it. [11:37] schestowitz Scientific Linux is also dead. The RHEL SRPMs are still there, just as they have been for decades. Anyone can step up to the plate and make their own community-run rebuild of RHEL if they're unhappy with how things are going. [11:37] schestowitz reply [11:37] schestowitz [11:37] schestowitz thrower123 3 days ago [] [11:37] schestowitz IBM and Oracle are going neck and neck for the crown of most self-destructive technology company. [11:37] schestowitz My brother-in-law in consulting has told me several stories of people getting fired for buying IBM in recent years. [11:37] schestowitz reply [11:37] schestowitz [11:37] schestowitz goatinaboat 3 days ago [] [11:37] schestowitz If only there was some way this could have been predicted. Perhaps using Watson? [11:37] schestowitz Meanwhile https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/17/ibm_exec_payouts/ [11:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | IBM's CEO and outgoing exec chairman take home $38m in total for 2020 despite revenue shrinking by billions The Register [11:37] schestowitz IBM CEO Arvind Krishna and ex-exec-chairwoman Ginny Rometty were collectively awarded more than $38m in compensation for their services in fiscal 2020, a year in which Big Blue's revenues shrank and operating profit more than halved. [11:37] schestowitz " ● Mar 25 [12:49] *polxy has quit (Quit: bye) ● Mar 25 [13:54] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #boycottnovell [13:54] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has left #boycottnovell ● Mar 25 [14:02] *rianne__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Mar 25 [16:24] schestowitz [16:20] i need +v ● Mar 25 [17:18] *TechrightsBN has quit (*.net *.split) [17:18] *schestowitz has quit (*.net *.split) [17:19] *schestowitz (~schestowi@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9e47:addf:5b42:cd6d) has joined #boycottnovell [17:19] *schestowitz has quit (Changing host) [17:19] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [17:19] *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz [17:37] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #boycottnovell [17:42] *MinceR has quit (*.net *.split) [17:42] *liberty_box has quit (*.net *.split) [17:42] *hook54321 has quit (*.net *.split) [17:42] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [17:43] *MinceR (mincer@2a0a-e5c0-2-2-0-c8ff-fe68-bf4a.loves.ipv6.at.ungleich.ch) has joined #boycottnovell [17:43] *hook54321 (sid149355@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dmzuiftnmzcwraep) has joined #boycottnovell [17:43] *MinceR has quit (Changing host) [17:43] *MinceR (mincer@unaffiliated/mincer) has joined #boycottnovell [17:55] schestowitz [17:52] howdy [17:55] schestowitz [17:52] hi [17:55] schestowitz [17:53] I noticed the dcc request, wasn't sure what was up [17:55] schestowitz [17:54] accident [17:55] schestowitz psymin: hi [17:55] schestowitz sorry, wrong button [17:55] schestowitz when giving voice [17:56] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:56] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [17:57] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [17:57] *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz [17:57] psymin no worries, thanks :) [17:58] *Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). 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[18:05] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [18:05] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [18:05] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by MinceR at Thu Jan 28 18:22:54 2016 [18:05] -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel [18:05] *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz_log [18:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [18:14] *TechrightsBN (~b0t@techrights.org) has joined #boycottnovell [18:14] TechrightsBN Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75 [18:56] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) ● Mar 25 [19:50] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 25 [20:05] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [20:31] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [20:31] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [20:32] schestowitz >> Let this become "old news" ASAP*. [20:32] schestowitz > OTOH, people like to complain that the FSF doesn't listen, but I think [20:32] schestowitz > there's never been a better time for someone to be listened to by the [20:32] schestowitz > FSF ;-) [20:32] schestowitz > [20:32] schestowitz > Not that the FSF should be guided by popularity or pressure, but it [20:32] schestowitz > would be good to have more displays like the unanimous cheering at [20:32] schestowitz > LibrePlanet, so that arguments about pressure do not even come up. [20:32] schestowitz > [20:32] schestowitz > I know there's an open letter calling for the entire board to resign. [20:32] schestowitz > #deletegithub #callthebs [20:32] schestowitz > [20:32] schestowitz > I wish someone would write and host one more in line with freedom, in [20:32] schestowitz > message and medium. I wish I could. [20:46] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:46] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:52] schestowitz Re: Medical discovery - USPTO - open-source software [20:52] schestowitz > Then, too, there is the issue of the USPTO not working with Linux, which [20:52] schestowitz > might interest you. [20:52] schestowitz Hi, [20:52] schestowitz How many of these documents can be shared publicly (I've taken a quick look)? I'd rather focus on the GNU/Linux compatibility issues alone. [20:52] schestowitz Regards, [20:56] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [20:58] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [20:59] Techrights-sec https://soylentnews.org/~takyon/journal/7354 [20:59] Techrights-sec :( distraction from the Gates-Epstein-MIT scandal proper [20:59] Techrights-sec these are *not* FOSS advoactes: https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=48291 [20:59] Techrights-sec see: [20:59] Techrights-sec https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/mob-mentality-threatens-the-free:b ' [20:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-soylentnews.org | Journal of takyon (881) [20:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-soylentnews.org | Free software advocates seek removal of Richard Stallman and entire FSF board: SoylentNews Submission [20:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | Mob Mentality Threatens The Free Software Movement ● Mar 25 [21:11] schestowitz > *The year was 1943 and my folks were at the Concord Hotel, in Upstate N.Y.* [21:11] schestowitz > *One afternoon the guest activities included making a 45 rpm disc [21:11] schestowitz > recording of the guest singing or telling a joke. [21:11] schestowitz > [21:11] schestowitz > Many years later (maybe in 1999) I found the disc in a junk drawer in [21:11] schestowitz > my sister Doris home, which was much after my mom & dad passed away. [21:11] schestowitz > Dad died in 1961 at age 54, mom died in 1964 at age 55.* [21:11] schestowitz > *The old disc was in terrible unplayable condition, so my sister was [21:11] schestowitz > happy to let me have it. I took it home and luckily found an online, a [21:11] schestowitz > disc restorer. They did a marvelous job and were able to transfer my [21:11] schestowitz > dads voice to a new 45 rpm disc (they were black in color not much [21:11] schestowitz > larger that a modern CD. I doubt if you could find a turntable to play a [21:11] schestowitz > 45 rpm nowadays. As technology for music rapidly advanced, I was able to [21:11] schestowitz > upgrade the disc to a CD and mp3, so we can still hear my dad being a [21:11] schestowitz > life-of-the-party ham and entertaining us with his rendition of [21:11] schestowitz > /Melancholy Baby./* [21:11] schestowitz We recently saw his photo up on our screen here. It's in my photo collection and sometimes it's selected at random. I think it was a drawing though. [21:23] schestowitz > Hi. I thought he was restored. I thought we were done! [21:23] schestowitz > [21:23] schestowitz > I saw svn article - naming josh and vm brasseur as disappointed RMS is back on the board. [21:23] schestowitz > Of course, I will watch the videos. [21:23] schestowitz > [21:23] schestowitz > Thanks. [21:23] schestowitz Re: OSI election vulnerability in process... asking users to "vote again" march 23 - april 2 - after... Hong Phuc Dang announces victory on Linkedin [21:49] schestowitz > Wow, they started a petition? Nicholson won a FSF award and was presented by RMS in 2019... it's terrible. [21:49] schestowitz > [21:49] schestowitz > I wasn't surprised by the first signature at all or first few...all the fauxpen source cronies from [21:49] schestowitz > [21:49] schestowitz > GNOME [21:49] schestowitz > SFC [21:49] schestowitz > OSI [21:49] schestowitz > [21:49] schestowitz > [21:49] schestowitz > https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ [21:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-rms-open-letter.github.io | An open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions | rms-open-letter.github.io [21:49] schestowitz > [21:49] schestowitz > Where I was a little disappointed was the blog post from Dries. [21:49] schestowitz > Not surprised, but disappointed. [21:49] schestowitz > [21:49] schestowitz > https://dri.es/the-free-software-foundation-it-is-time-for-a-new-beginning [21:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-dri.es | The Free Software Foundation: it's time for a new beginning | Dries Buytaert [21:49] schestowitz Sorry for my short and late reply, have been super-busy over here. [21:49] schestowitz Dries says false things. I will respond to him in a video this coming Sunday. [21:49] schestowitz Why Sunday? Because I wait for dust to settle. [21:49] schestowitz Things I will cover listed in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28821 [21:49] schestowitz I also cover some patent/EPO scandals, which unlike the RMS fuss is NEWS, not a phony BS from 2 years ago... in an MIT private mailing list. [21:49] schestowitz They also tried to cancel RMS in 2009. One of MANY articles: [21:49] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/12/10/proprietary-software-free-arena/ [21:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! 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