●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, June 25, 2021 ●● ● Jun 25 [00:30] schestowitz >>> https://debian.community/nicolas-dandrimont-maria-climent-pommeret-outreachy-gsoc-conflict-of-interest-policy/ [00:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-debian.community | Nicolas Dandrimont, Pauline (or Maria) Climent-Pommeret & Debian, Outreachy, GSoC Conflict of Interest policy scandals [00:30] schestowitz >>> 2. https://fsfellowship.eu/2019/01/26/fsfe-behavior-standards.html [00:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.eu | FSFE behavior standards [00:30] schestowitz >> I've relayed that back into IRC. I did feel baffled by the accusation. [00:30] schestowitz > This is the technique they use, they keep repeating something like that [00:30] schestowitz > in every channel [00:30] schestowitz > [00:30] schestowitz > Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. Joseph Goebbels. [00:30] schestowitz > [00:30] schestowitz > Challenging their lies is not harassment. The lies are the harassment. [00:30] schestowitz > [00:30] schestowitz > https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161026-how-liars-create-the-illusion-of-truth [00:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.bbc.com | How liars create the illusion of truth - BBC Future [00:30] schestowitz > [00:30] schestowitz > Did you see the extra pictures on the blog? [00:30] schestowitz I did. [00:32] schestowitz Re: fact vs fiction [00:32] schestowitz > Fiction: relationship with a woman [00:32] schestowitz > [00:32] schestowitz > Fact: LGBT woman I supported just won the Chevening scholarship today. [00:32] schestowitz > She arrives in London in September to start her Masters. [00:32] schestowitz > [00:32] schestowitz > See the photo, woman on the left. You can meet her, show her around, [00:32] schestowitz > ask what I did in my visits to Albania. In Debian terms, "Traffic" her [00:32] schestowitz > to Manchester. [00:32] schestowitz > [00:32] schestowitz > I made at least 10 trips to the Balkans. Can you appreciate the time [00:32] schestowitz > and effort I invested personally in supporting these people? [00:32] schestowitz > [00:32] schestowitz > Why is Chris Lamb hiding and disparaging the effort I made supporting [00:32] schestowitz > these people? Is it because he wanted one of the girls for himself? Or [00:32] schestowitz > was it just convenient to eliminate critics of Google? [00:32] schestowitz I think it is important to do a blog post about it, and to moreover highlight the false allegations against you. This way people can confront the lies with a link. ● Jun 25 [01:23] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:26] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:32] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:38] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:41] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:41] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:45] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:45] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:46] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:48] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:48] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:52] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@5rkr4a9eus5qy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 25 [03:16] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:16] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:17] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:18] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:19] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:23] *job (~job@faedm9en5b78c.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:24] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Jun 25 [04:11] *job has quit (connection closed) [04:14] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:17] *job (~job@faedm9en5b78c.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:43] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:44] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@5rkr4a9eus5qy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:46] *psydroid has quit (connection closed) ● Jun 25 [05:22] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:22] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:29] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:30] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:54] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:54] *job has quit (connection closed) ● Jun 25 [06:00] *job (~job@faedm9en5b78c.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:30] *asusbox has quit (connection closed) [06:34] *rianne__ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:34] *asusbox (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:35] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jun 25 [07:04] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:12] schestowitz > Fuck Microsoft sucks. [07:12] schestowitz > [07:12] schestowitz > [07:12] schestowitz >> On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:33 PM, xxxxxxxxxwrote: [07:12] schestowitz >> [07:12] schestowitz >> http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/microsoft-attacking-linux-from-the-inside/ [07:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Politicians Need to Crack Down on Microsofts Monopoly Abuse Amid Yet More Attacks on Linux (Even From the Inside) | Techrights [07:12] schestowitz >> [07:12] schestowitz >>> Jesus doesnt it? [07:12] schestowitz >>> [07:12] schestowitz >>> Sent from my iPhone [07:12] schestowitz >>> [07:12] schestowitz >>>>> On Jun 23, 2021, at 11:02 PM, xxxxxxxx wrote: [07:12] schestowitz >>>>xxxxxxxxxwrote on 24/06/2021 05:41: [07:12] schestowitz >>>>> See this: [07:12] schestowitz >>>>> [07:12] schestowitz >>>>> https://dailycaller.com/2021/06/23/microsoft-house-judiciary-committee-thomas-massie/ [07:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-dailycaller.com | EXCLUSIVE: Whistleblower Document Appears To Show Microsoft Helped Write Big Tech Bills | The Daily Caller [07:12] schestowitz >>>>> [07:12] schestowitz >>>> This explains a lot. [07:26] schestowitz Re: Fwd: searX and the survival curve [07:26] schestowitz > Forgive the long communique [07:26] schestowitz > [07:26] schestowitz > Please recommend any preferred search engine with security. If noone [07:26] schestowitz > exist, perhaps [07:26] schestowitz > [07:26] schestowitz > instructions for use of searX. [07:26] schestowitz > [07:26] schestowitz > Thanks, [07:26] schestowitz Nowadays I use https://searx.feneas.org/ [07:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-searx.feneas.org | searx [07:58] Techrights-sec Edward Snowden "tweeted" recently. Now in recent hours there have turned up [07:58] Techrights-sec dozens of slickly produced crazy videos peddling conspiracy theories riding [07:58] Techrights-sec on his "tweet". The vidoes seem to use and remix old video interviews [07:58] Techrights-sec from other sources to appear current and to bend the meaning of what he [07:58] Techrights-sec says. [07:58] Techrights-sec It is all but impossible to find any legitimate videos in Youtube on [07:58] Techrights-sec or by Edward Snowden. [07:58] Techrights-sec Saturate, diffuse, confuse. [07:58] schestowitz Haha, I like how I can read this in real time and see the edits, like ICQ in 1998 [07:59] schestowitz Some changes in IRC today: [07:59] schestowitz 1. I moved over the bot for news and renamed it accordingly [07:59] schestowitz 2. I changed the irc tail cron job a bit ● Jun 25 [08:00] Techrights-sec Yes, some people can write smoothly and linearly. However, since [08:00] Techrights-sec writing is so many times slower than thought (and for other reasons too), [08:00] Techrights-sec I cannot. [08:02] Techrights-sec Anyway, it looks like two things are going on. 1) associate truth [08:02] Techrights-sec with whackdoodle, 2) some power grab or push [08:03] schestowitz 3. I spent 2 days (almost) lurking in LC:#techrights [08:03] schestowitz 4. it's mostly dead, as I hoped, but off topic too [08:04] schestowitz 5. we might merge that into logs, but the official and unofficial channels won't be fused in (in real time) so as to avoid fighting, which would waste effort [08:05] Techrights-sec 4. Is there a way to finish it off and reserve the channel as [08:05] Techrights-sec an empty placeholder? [08:05] Techrights-sec 1. What is the location of the bot script? [08:05] schestowitz 4-reply: no, any possible scenario would not seem good (reflect badly on us) [08:06] schestowitz 1-reply: I will push to git now, with redactions for pw [08:09] schestowitz i looks like some files I recall putting in git aren't there anymore, maybe because you removed them completely or we did not add after rebuilding the repo [08:09] schestowitz *it [08:13] Techrights-sec Store the pw and authentication info in a separate file and read it in [08:13] Techrights-sec plaintext, XML, or JSON but in any case separate. That avoids the risk of forgettting to redact later on . [08:14] schestowitz If you wish, I can explain more "4-reply", but yesterday's IRC logs already explain some considerations [08:14] schestowitz 1. we do not register anything there [08:14] schestowitz 2. i am not registered there [08:15] schestowitz 3. we never banned anyone there [08:15] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:15] schestowitz 4. turns out it has the one person we once muted because kaniini asked (the person hates kaniini, not me) [08:15] schestowitz 5. most people there are either idle or unknown to me [08:15] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:16] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:17] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:35] Techrights-sec ack [08:35] Techrights-sec Is the channel intro there clear that the channel has no affilation with [08:35] Techrights-sec TR? [08:36] schestowitz yes, superkuh put "unofficial" in the /topic [08:53] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21053791 [08:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? [08:53] schestowitz " [08:53] schestowitz Hi Dr. Roy [08:53] schestowitz Need you assistance [08:53] schestowitz Can you help me ? [08:53] schestowitz " [08:54] Techrights-sec "unofficial" might be a bit weak and stronger or more clear wording [08:54] Techrights-sec desireable. ● Jun 25 [09:01] schestowitz from work: "Spent about an hour trying to get Slack running on two machines with ARM processors, but none would ever run the site, no matter which browser. Very strange." [09:07] Techrights-sec https://nitter.eu/Snowden/status/1407789197264568321 [09:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Edward Snowden (@Snowden): "Europe should not extradite those accused of non-violent crimes to a court system so unfairand prison system so cruelthat native-born defendants would rather die than become subject to it. Julian Assange could be next. Until the system is reformed, a moratorium should remain." | nitter [09:08] schestowitz seems extremely innocuous. [09:09] Techrights-sec It seems to be the tweet that set off all the crazies. [09:09] Techrights-sec It's hard to find any legitimate videos of Edward Snowden now. [09:10] schestowitz you don't get to control the narrative about yourself/oneself when that public status/profile is reached [09:13] Techrights-sec Yes, it's more like branding and trademark control for ES at this point. [09:13] Techrights-sec Same for any other celebrity [09:13] schestowitz Julian Assange spent money on PR agencies because of this... he lost control of the story and Wikileaks was being personified [09:17] schestowitz attacks on TR winding down a bit. Earlier I saw TM targeted again, but only for a few minutes or seconds (thousands of identical reqs, dumped by apache when it self-restarted) [09:30] Techrights-sec tail -F /var/log/httpd/techrights.org-access_log | awk '$6~/GET/ && $9=="200" && $7!~/\.jpe?g$/ && $7!~/\.png$/ && $7!~/\.gif$/ [09:30] Techrights-sec {print}; {fflush();}' [09:30] schestowitz I can imagine what that does, but wish to be sure before running it [09:31] Techrights-sec I only have one screen / display availabe at the moment, so it is often [09:31] Techrights-sec in the background, under another window. However, when I have checked, [09:31] Techrights-sec I have not seen any levels of traffic that /should/ be overwhelming. [09:31] Techrights-sec Perhaps it is long past time to leave wordpress? [09:42] schestowitz this past month we lost TONS of productivity, maybe 50-100, due to chaos, mostly because of IRC. Upside is, that gave us a strong nudge to where we wanted to be: self-hosted for comms [09:43] Techrights-sec It lists a subset of the Apache2 logs, showing (mostly) main items requested, [09:43] Techrights-sec not the embedded images and such. [09:43] schestowitz can you put that in a shell script somewhere? maybe we can process that for analysis some other time... [09:44] schestowitz at the moment I refactor and tidy up some stuff, as the news is RELATIVELY slow, and am also checking the backups/systems for any faults. We need a complete system backup (offsite) at some stage. I also did some raspi maintenance today, really need to automate that... [09:48] Techrights-sec Ok. It's in a shells script in ~root/bin/track-apache-logs-host-documents.sh [09:48] Techrights-sec np [09:49] schestowitz maybe in parallel to wordpress can we model some of the new articles after the front page of TR with its simplicity, or maybe work something out wrt to gemini [09:49] Techrights-sec Anyway, the rate at which legitimate traffic is coming in is not anything [09:49] Techrights-sec which /should/ cause a normal server to slow down for. [09:51] Techrights-sec I'm not a wordpress expert, so I would guess that it is easier to [09:51] Techrights-sec archive as static pages and start fresh with a static site generator for all [09:51] Techrights-sec new articles. [09:51] Techrights-sec That would vastly reduce the resources required and make mirroring super easy [09:52] schestowitz seems that technical debt/complexity killed many "news" sites, which could not cope with upgrades, licensing costs, keeping the thing running (sys admins aren't free) etc. So for long-term preservation Groklaw went static, but downsides too exist. ● Jun 25 [10:01] Techrights-sec Gemini is scraped from wordpress. There might be a static site generator which [10:01] Techrights-sec already can do Gemin + HTML. If not, once we choose a static site generator, [10:01] Techrights-sec it might be easy to mod in that capability [10:01] Techrights-sec Groklaw missed scraping the comments. The bot should have done 'nested' mode [10:01] Techrights-sec when it did its run. There were some very important comments 2+ levels down [10:01] Techrights-sec in the threads [10:01] Techrights-sec Yes, technical debt can snowball rapidly once it reaches a threshold. [10:01] Techrights-sec TR might be near that threshold with the server. :/ [10:01] Techrights-sec back in a bit [10:03] schestowitz history will be written (and preserved) by those with least technical debt ;-) [10:55] Techrights-sec very true, and more than a bit unfortunate. web sites vanish and then [10:55] Techrights-sec opponents pay shills to rewrite a fantasy version of what went on. ● Jun 25 [11:27] Techrights-sec https://newnetworks.com/bookofbrokenpromises.htm [11:27] Techrights-sec $400 billion USD and counting ... [11:27] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-newnetworks.com | The Book of Broken Promises: $400 Billion Broadband Scandal & Free the Net [11:41] schestowitz this is now a proper gemini page, with title and links gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/index.gmi [11:47] schestowitz I've also just made some improvements to gemini://gemini.techrights.org/stats/index.gmi [11:49] Techrights-sec In the latter, can the date be written yyyy-mm-dd and the extra spaces removed? [11:49] Techrights-sec Also the month starts on 1 not 0 around here. :) [11:49] schestowitz the zero is due to the cron thing we debated, like when to wipe the logs without wiping an open file in the process. I'll look into date format... [11:58] schestowitz the date format was already as you wanted it, but I modified it for my own convenience [11:59] Techrights-sec thanks ● Jun 25 [14:21] *job has quit (connection closed) [14:25] *job (~job@faedm9en5b78c.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 25 [15:14] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@t9iche5f4se4y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:32] Techrights-sec use "perl -p -e '...'" or "perl -n -e '...'" with or without -i instead of sed [15:32] Techrights-sec You get full perl regular expressions that way. sed is classic but antiquated. [15:32] Techrights-sec See "man perlrun" for the options. [15:49] *job has quit (connection closed) ● Jun 25 [16:17] *verbose (~verbose@xm5z894qxaqia.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:43] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jun 25 [17:39] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21053791#c6e472d0b7f301394cab002590d8e506 [17:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? [17:39] schestowitz " [17:39] schestowitz I need to ask you some questions, what way could be the best ? [17:39] schestowitz Email ? [17:39] schestowitz Whats your email address ? [17:39] schestowitz Thanks in advance [17:39] schestowitz " [17:39] schestowitz my firstname at lastname .com [17:52] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Jun 25 [18:26] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:33] schestowitz https://twitter.com/jimmyroybloom/status/1408447706700333057 [18:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jimmyroybloom: .... https://t.co/5aybcAgxOR [18:42] schestowitz https://twitter.com/DankwahMorrison/status/1408365914681135105 [18:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DankwahMorrison: @schestowitz I more than agree. BTW, Ghana and some other African nations have no such #broadband infrastructure plans! [18:43] schestowitz https://twitter.com/DrolNacul/status/1408351209975595008 [18:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DrolNacul: @schestowitz What facts are available from a scientific ignoramus? [18:43] schestowitz https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1408349808864251904 [18:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @FOSSpatents @schestowitz Financial firms hurting the real economy. Some trolls are remote controlled by pension funds. [18:43] schestowitz https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/1408344968134070273 [18:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Regarding that [sic], Fortress Investment actually *is* an investment firm. They fund lots of things, https://t.co/dxQl2ZumMP [18:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Regarding that [sic], Fortress Investment actually *is* an investment firm. They fund lots of things, https://t.co/dxQl2ZumMP [18:44] schestowitz "Regarding that [sic], Fortress Investment actually *is* an investment firm. They fund lots of things, patent assertion entities are just part of what they do." 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