●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, July 25, 2022 ●● ● Jul 25 [00:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:58] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 25 [02:25] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:25] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:35] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:35] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [02:35] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 25 [06:06] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [06:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [06:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:58] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) ● Jul 25 [09:19] schestowitz-TR organised a ton of data, made good backup [09:19] schestowitz-TR didn't post many articles, but that's a lot less important in the grand scheme of things [09:58] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 25 [10:04] schestowitz-TR the way I see it, those 2-3 hours spent last night is belated debt redemption [10:04] schestowitz-TR as I really should have uploade them all in the first place but was tight in time or simply lazy [10:04] schestowitz-TR I thought about doing a video on this whole affair, but as the outcome is not good [10:04] schestowitz-TR I'd rather not [10:51] Techrights-sec2 probably not worth a video, not a good topic ● Jul 25 [12:41] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 25 [13:00] schestowitz-TR UK Not Testing Enough for COVID-19 (More Than 1 in 10 Now Test Positive, But Testing Rates at New Lows) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/25/not-enough-tests/ [13:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive UK Not Testing Enough for COVID-19 (More Than 1 in 10 Now Test Positive, But Testing Rates at New Lows) [13:01] schestowitz-TR media still ducking several important stories [13:01] schestowitz-TR now it's about PM (news cycle) [13:01] schestowitz-TR Borisnaro was not held accountable [13:03] Techrights-sec2 no, they let him off scotfree [13:03] Techrights-sec2 in several areas [13:06] schestowitz-TR I'll get on now with the Microsodft series, cleaned my feeds twice over [13:06] schestowitz-TR gemini traffic wqs high recently , also many unique IPs [13:06] schestowitz-TR I think we just need to keep at it [13:06] schestowitz-TR the new CMS can improve workflow as it evolves and matures [13:06] schestowitz-TR and lower the downtime, maintenance overhead [13:07] schestowitz-TR suffice to say my employer is in no rush to move things [13:07] schestowitz-TR they just try to get us to find somewhere else to avoid paying what we are entitled to [13:07] schestowitz-TR and avoid court disputes [13:07] schestowitz-TR yes, I figured that's the trick HR plays [13:07] schestowitz-TR better for me not to say anything tbh, not in recorded meetings anyway [13:07] schestowitz-TR in the meantime I'm paid for my time [13:07] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:07] Techrights-sec2 excellent. TR is one of the more active Gemini sites I would imagine. [13:07] Techrights-sec2 :/ [13:07] Techrights-sec2 ah, that old trick [13:11] schestowitz-TR specs for sites have changed a lot [13:11] schestowitz-TR data point: [13:11] schestowitz-TR just checked lxer: no comment at all in over a month [13:11] schestowitz-TR 20-15 years ago that's where a lot of the action was it [13:11] schestowitz-TR not sure about online forums (like vbulletin and phpbb, not some shit like reddit) [13:11] schestowitz-TR but imho the specs have become a lot simpler [13:11] schestowitz-TR and some of the software better if used adequately [13:11] schestowitz-TR e.g. alpine [13:11] schestowitz-TR rhel is not needed for simple site hosting [13:11] schestowitz-TR it gives almost 1000 packages you never use [13:11] schestowitz-TR so you just patch and break all the time [13:14] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:14] schestowitz-TR I'\d go further and say that without brenching out to web aleternatives "sites" will perish [13:14] schestowitz-TR as gulag got all nasty adn very selfish [13:14] schestowitz-TR and prioritises things like sstackoverflow/exchange [13:14] schestowitz-TR bufferoverflow [13:14] schestowitz-TR whatever [13:14] schestowitz-TR and it's getting harder for sites to keep readers with something like rss feeds [13:14] schestowitz-TR meanwhile sociual control media is all censored, curated by HEY HI [13:14] schestowitz-TR so they 'naturally" kill or weed out smaller sites [13:14] schestowitz-TR and almost nobody talks about [13:14] schestowitz-TR gulag shut its doors to new sites [13:14] schestowitz-TR it's not interested [13:14] schestowitz-TR no financial incensitve to its shareholders [13:24] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:24] Techrights-sec2 worse, as frequently ranted about, the share prices have no connection to [13:24] Techrights-sec2 reality let alone anything specific to the company's performance or viability [13:24] Techrights-sec2 it may end up as a chain reaction affecting RHEL in that social control media's [13:24] Techrights-sec2 aglorithmic disappearance of smaller sites means that there will be little to [13:24] Techrights-sec2 no incentive to pay for RHEL except for some non-WWW related business activities [13:25] Techrights-sec2 and, usually, not even then. [13:25] schestowitz-TR icbm tries to nuke the clones now [13:25] schestowitz-TR it'lkl fail [13:25] schestowitz-TR icbm is run by saringases [13:25] schestowitz-TR who don't grasp gpl [13:27] schestowitz-TR hey hi smart transformation great resignation blockchain on the clown [13:29] schestowitz-TR their sites are a broken radio [13:29] schestowitz-TR rianne jokes about what POS opensource.cfom became [13:29] schestowitz-TR and rarely sees anything worth linking to there [13:29] schestowitz-TR (she last said it today; it has become a meme) [13:32] Techrights-sec2 furthermore, the "Cloud" services are a direct competitor to IBM on that front [13:32] Techrights-sec2 and the M$-paid media continues to push cloud for way more than it's worth [13:32] Techrights-sec2 Yes, that is tragic because the previous generation at IBM understood the value [13:32] Techrights-sec2 of the GPL /and/ how to make a lot of money from it. These new clowns are [13:32] Techrights-sec2 just microsofters and incapable of bringing in money or even understanding the [13:32] Techrights-sec2 nature of computing. Certainly they have demonstrated themselves to be unaware [13:32] Techrights-sec2 of the markets they are trying to work in. [13:32] Techrights-sec2 yep [13:32] Techrights-sec2 that site is also about dragging down the name / term (it's not a trademark) [13:32] Techrights-sec2 By the way, the fact that Open Source is not a trademark should open up [13:32] Techrights-sec2 better marketing possibilities because, legally, it should then be possilbe [13:32] Techrights-sec2 to name it explicitly in tenders. [13:32] Techrights-sec2 If it were an actual trademark, then there are prohibitions to doing that. ● Jul 25 [14:11] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [14:14] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:30] schestowitz-TR preparing draft on ms sec [14:30] schestowitz-TR i'm sure you will have tihings to add [14:30] schestowitz-TR ok, check now [14:30] schestowitz-TR a) you will have a lot of things to add/correct [14:30] schestowitz-TR b) it's your area [14:30] schestowitz-TR I've not chosen title/summary/endoing para yet, intentionally [14:30] schestowitz-TR better to correct or add assuming it gets many views like Part II did [14:58] Techrights-sec2 checking [14:58] Techrights-sec2 When mentioning Part II, a word or two of what it covered would be good, even though there is more detail in the second paragraph. So maybe the two paragraphs [14:58] Techrights-sec2 should be joined [14:58] Techrights-sec2 ? [14:58] Techrights-sec2 s/extreme failures/abject failures/ ? ● Jul 25 [15:07] Techrights-sec2 "weed out" is the wrong verb there, since it looks like they are not weeding [15:07] Techrights-sec2 out anything M$ but weeding out anyting disfavorable to M$ [15:07] Techrights-sec2 Strassman's most famous article ought to be highlighed more, perhaps hinted at in the introduction? [15:07] Techrights-sec2 ' [15:07] Techrights-sec2 not open to new ... if it contradicts M$ or its agenda [15:08] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@gque3bc9xqygc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 25 [16:07] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:33] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:34] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:34] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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IIRC European Patent [16:45] Techrights-sec2 Convention of 1974 (EPC) [16:45] Techrights-sec2 Same for ILOAT [16:49] schestowitz-TR wikipedia makes me want to vomit [16:49] schestowitz-TR maybe I should stopm linking to it [16:49] schestowitz-TR they even have an article about swpats/epc [16:49] schestowitz-TR and you can guess who camps there [16:49] schestowitz-TR I\ve just arguied about this in irc with xrevan [16:49] schestowitz-TR context being russia [16:49] schestowitz-TR i said wikipedia is bad cfor corporate and poilitical matter [16:49] schestowitz-TR might be ok for science [16:50] schestowitz-TR where there is less to be gainsed financially by lying [16:50] schestowitz-TR hence camping motivations are different [16:53] Techrights-sec2 No need to consider Wikipedia here for anything. Best to avoid it, especially [16:53] Techrights-sec2 on topics which they have politicized or fallen victim to disinformation [16:53] Techrights-sec2 campaigns with. [16:53] Techrights-sec2 Wikipedia is only about edit wars and camping. [16:56] schestowitz-TR maybe in next company metting I will answer with only yes and no [16:56] schestowitz-TR intentionally terse [16:56] schestowitz-TR I just want to be out by year's end [16:57] schestowitz-TR hr teaches him how to use pro-woerkers protections against the workers [16:57] schestowitz-TR to keep thekm agaiinst their will [16:58] schestowitz-TR I am back to work tomorrow [16:58] schestowitz-TR would rather work on the sites [16:58] schestowitz-TR tomortrow is exactly one month since TM's DB went rogue [16:59] Techrights-sec2 ack [16:59] Techrights-sec2 that's the purpose of HR : to protect the company against the workers [16:59] Techrights-sec2 I'd get advice from your uninon rep if possible [16:59] Techrights-sec2 otherwise the fight is lopsided in their favor [16:59] Techrights-sec2 ack [16:59] Techrights-sec2 what was the feedback from Marius, if he had time to look at the outside or [16:59] Techrights-sec2 inside of the mockup / alpha ● Jul 25 [17:04] schestowitz-TR no feedback yet [17:04] schestowitz-TR is the plan to (at some point) wipe the DB entries and start posting in both sites in tandem while exposing the "beta" to the public, then gradually change over? [17:05] Techrights-sec2 yes, at some point we'd wipe the DB contents and run it in parallel to the old [17:05] Techrights-sec2 system for a little while just to be sure then once it is adjusted enough [17:05] Techrights-sec2 and deemed adequate, the old one can be copied to static, too, then turned off [17:05] Techrights-sec2 and keep somewhere offline [17:10] schestowitz-TR turning off old can happen much later [17:10] schestowitz-TR in fact, the fist step would be locking it down [17:10] schestowitz-TR no edits/comments etc. [17:10] schestowitz-TR do you think we can start, bug notwithstanding, post in parallel today? [17:10] schestowitz-TR anything in the current DB is either cruft or already in "old" anyway [17:10] schestowitz-TR much of it was generated by older versions of the scripts [17:10] schestowitz-TR with a clean slate at least we can soon remove password restriction [17:10] schestowitz-TR and I can tweak the IRC scripts to point to the new [17:10] schestowitz-TR and today/tomorrow I have lots of spare time for this [17:10] schestowitz-TR next week I have two days off work (holiday) [17:10] schestowitz-TR maybe make a backup just in case [17:10] schestowitz-TR it must be no bigger than 2MB [17:11] Techrights-sec2 ok I guess we should wipe the current content. [17:11] Techrights-sec2 ok with that? [17:11] Techrights-sec2 I'd prefer to hear what marius has to say about the workflow etc [17:11] Techrights-sec2 wiping ... [17:11] Techrights-sec2 ok clean start; hopefully there are no rough edges with such a restart [17:27] schestowitz-TR when public I can test the rss feed at client and script (curl+wget) [17:27] Techrights-sec2 yes [17:27] Techrights-sec2 now the old files are remove too. it is a clean start [17:28] schestowitz tm-extract-posts-sql.pl -f -v -d $(date -d '-2 days' +'%F') -s [17:28] schestowitz D: 2022/07/23 [17:28] schestowitz P: /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/ [17:28] schestowitz Date 20220723 [17:28] schestowitz Created directory '/var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/2022/07/25' [17:28] schestowitz F: /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/2022/07/25/AudiocastsShowsVideos:_Speeding_Up_GNULinux,_Aserto,_WordPress,_Steam_Deck.shtml [17:28] schestowitz PREV = 0 [17:28] schestowitz Use of uninitialized value $title in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 199. [17:28] schestowitz Use of uninitialized value $author in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 199. [17:28] schestowitz Use of uninitialized value $post in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 199. [17:28] schestowitz OLDEST PREV = 0 [17:28] schestowitz Use of uninitialized value $pdate in substitution (s///) at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 189. [17:28] schestowitz Use of uninitialized value $pdate in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 191. [17:28] schestowitz Use of uninitialized value $slug in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 238. [17:28] schestowitz F: /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n//.shtml [17:30] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:30] Techrights-sec2 now I have to dig into that [17:30] Techrights-sec2 checking ... [17:35] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [17:37] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@gque3bc9xqygc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:46] Techrights-sec2 ...checking [17:46] Techrights-sec2 did the second record add without problems? [17:46] schestowitz-TR thanks, likely an "edge case" [17:46] schestowitz-TR after adding node #1 [17:46] schestowitz-TR I think the second one gave the same 6 "errors" [17:46] Techrights-sec2 The warnings from creating the first record are fixed. [17:46] Techrights-sec2 Can you try with a third record and make note of any warnings? [17:50] schestowitz-TR added a third [17:50] schestowitz-TR no errors this time \0/ [17:50] schestowitz-TR oh, wait, until I run tm-extract-post [17:51] schestowitz-TR then it's the same ● Jul 25 [18:03] Techrights-sec2 ^s/creating/creating static HTML from/ [18:03] Techrights-sec2 I see it now... [18:03] Techrights-sec2 checking [18:03] Techrights-sec2 I've updated the scripts now; for some reason git is not behaving in that [18:03] Techrights-sec2 directory; so manual updates are required there. [18:03] Techrights-sec2 The script refresh-site-from-db.sh will now update the site from the database [18:03] Techrights-sec2 and can be run after adding or modifying records. [18:03] Techrights-sec2 at least the navigational links are created ok [18:06] schestowitz-TR back, just posted the epo video/post [18:06] schestowitz-TR checking... [18:06] schestowitz-TR rianne is back [18:06] schestowitz-TR brb kitchen [18:06] schestowitz-TR the bank had a massivbe queue today [18:06] schestowitz-TR thery told her to book appoointment and "do online" or "apps" [18:06] schestowitz-TR of course, we'll phone to book [18:06] schestowitz-TR but I await some robot on the line [18:11] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:11] schestowitz-TR wow, in recent librewof and recent firefox the rss/xml support got so awful [18:11] schestowitz-TR it is like they actively went out of their way to sabotage is and make it difficult [18:11] schestowitz-TR the opposite of how it was in 2005 [18:11] schestowitz-TR at first I thought it was just firefox or just me or TM [18:12] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:12] Techrights-sec2 :( [18:12] Techrights-sec2 there is a slog against RSS and IMAPS both, and unfortunately Mozilla is [18:12] Techrights-sec2 an active antagonist against both [18:14] Techrights-sec2 Their work against IMAPS is the more harmful of the two, but their actions [18:14] Techrights-sec2 against both are damaging. It's very clear that Baker is only doing Google's [18:14] Techrights-sec2 dirty work and is getting paid well for it. [18:15] Techrights-sec2 I see a bug in the feed output, it uses relative URLs instead of absolute URLs [18:15] Techrights-sec2 so that'll have to be updated first. [18:25] Techrights-sec2 yes [18:25] Techrights-sec2 working ... [18:26] Techrights-sec2 try refreshing the site now [18:26] Techrights-sec2 I'll look at the pwd [18:27] schestowitz-TR can you temporarily left password restriction for me to test rss and maybe have a go at the script for new posts? [18:27] schestowitz-TR make it news.tuxmachines.org [18:27] schestowitz-TR as base url (please) [18:32] schestowitz-TR yes, I treied already and it worked [18:32] schestowitz-TR in quiterss [18:32] schestowitz-TR the base url is not there [18:32] schestowitz-TR but it can be accessed by anyone [18:32] schestowitz-TR and dealt with ok in quiterss [18:32] schestowitz https://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.tuxmachines.org%2Ffeed.xml [18:32] schestowitz-TR let's try rss/xml validation service [18:32] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-validator.w3.org | Feed Validator Results: http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml [18:32] Techrights-sec2 try refreshing the site now [18:32] Techrights-sec2 I'll look at the pwd [18:32] Techrights-sec2 try: http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml [18:44] Techrights-sec2 checking [18:44] Techrights-sec2 should the author be Tux Machines, or should we dig out the specific author? [18:44] Techrights-sec2 checking validator ... [18:46] schestowitz-TR author id is not essential for the feed [18:46] schestowitz-TR i think the very fact we have control over thopse things is good enough reason to leave drupal behind [18:58] schestowitz-TR :-) [18:58] schestowitz-TR yes, I noticed seconds ago [18:58] schestowitz-TR header, full base url, testing now... [18:58] schestowitz-TR workd well, very fast to, quiterss thinks the cert is "dodgy" :-) [18:58] schestowitz-TR but by default we can use http, I guess [18:58] Techrights-sec2 ok and the validator also wants /different/ timestamps for each entry [18:58] Techrights-sec2 I'm not sure that's worth the effort, the db would have to be redone a bit [18:58] Techrights-sec2 for that [18:58] Techrights-sec2 ok it's now a valid Atom feed [18:58] Techrights-sec2 ok ● Jul 25 [19:01] Techrights-sec2 the RSS works fine in the second two posts, but the first one is munged: [19:01] Techrights-sec2 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/25/AudiocastsShowsVideos:_Speeding_Up_GNULinux,_Aserto,_WordPress,_Steam_Deck.shtml [19:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 401 @ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/25/AudiocastsShowsVideos:_Speeding_Up_GNULinux,_Aserto,_WordPress,_Steam_Deck.shtml ) [19:07] schestowitz-TR I am working on the irc script [19:07] schestowitz-TR seeing how it can be made to link to the new site or both for now [19:08] schestowitz-TR I mean not "now now" [19:08] schestowitz-TR but soon [19:08] schestowitz-TR this ought to be easy, I see now [19:08] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:20] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [19:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:57] schestowitz-TR I think I got a fairly recent backup before we moved it to alpine [19:57] schestowitz-TR but maybe you can tar is before deleting just in case [19:57] schestowitz-TR sucess, I think [19:57] schestowitz-TR testing... [19:57] schestowitz-TR aha, I forgot to update rss ● Jul 25 [20:03] schestowitz-TR --- [20:03] schestowitz-TR yay! [20:03] schestowitz-TR I'll push to git later [20:03] schestowitz-TR if you remove access restrictions to n/ [20:03] schestowitz-TR then it can be tested better [20:03] schestowitz-TR I think curl won't like the cert [20:03] schestowitz-TR for now maybe base url with http? rather than https? 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