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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TT10NDD/status/1298021193845477381Aug 25 01:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TT10NDD: @RBrandmayr @MichaelCoudrey @JuliansRum The evidence seems to be leading there. https://t.co/DiHBGK3yBIAug 25 01:36
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schestowitzhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24258904Aug 25 01:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.ycombinator.com | The Linux Foundation in 2020 Helps Serial GPL Violators Get Away with It | Hacker NewsAug 25 01:38
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schestowitzThis was confusing, the actual article is after a big 'quote' from Microsoft. The meat of the article is:Aug 25 01:38
schestowitz  Linux Foundation lawyers are now literally recommending omitting copyright holders’ names and copyright dates from copyright notices in source code. Why would a lawyer recommend something so dumb? This is an obvious attempt to try to hinder GPL enforcementAug 25 01:38
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schestowitzhyperman1 14 hours ago [–]Aug 25 01:38
schestowitzI'll try to make sense of this.Aug 25 01:38
schestowitzCopyright gives the author different classes of rights.Aug 25 01:38
schestowitzMost of these pertain to allowing others to use the copyrighted work, e.g. licensing. In a work for hire, the author (natural person) assigns this to whoever hired him (e.g. his employer)Aug 25 01:38
schestowitzBut in Europe (but, I believe, not in the USA), there is a non-transferable moral right on fathership (rough translation for vaderschapsrecht), the right to let the world know that you wrote the code. This right cannot be assigned to someone else. So if a European employee works for Microsoft, and writes a driver for Linux, the employee probably has the right to require his name to appear in the copyright message.Aug 25 01:38
schestowitzIt seems this article tells authors to not claim this right and remain anonymous.Aug 25 01:38
schestowitzHow this hinders GPL enforcement isn't clear to me. It might muddy the waters about who owns the code right now, hence removing standing - You can't generally sue someone for infringing a copyright that is not yours, the current owner has to sue.Aug 25 01:38
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schestowitzhyperman1 13 hours ago [–]Aug 25 01:38
schestowitzUpdate: The source is this: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/2020/01/copyright-notic...Aug 25 01:38
schestowitzAnd there is some interesting stuff under : Why not list every copyright holder?Aug 25 01:38
schestowitzIt seems very strange to me that a lawyer writes this:Aug 25 01:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linuxfoundation.org | Copyright Notices in Open Source Software Projects - The Linux FoundationAug 25 01:38
schestowitz  The specific individual or legal entity that owns the copyright might not be known to the contributor; it could be you, your employer, or some other entity.Aug 25 01:38
schestowitzHe considers it acceptable to contribute even if the actual ownership is not clear. If you don't know who owns a contribution, how can the owner agree to contribute?Aug 25 01:38
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schestowitzSnild 14 hours ago [–]Aug 25 01:38
schestowitzI believe the quote/screenshot is from Linux Foundation. But yes, confusing. And no actual argument or discussion of the problem.Aug 25 01:39
schestowitzI honestly don't see what the harm is supposed to be. What is the purported effect of a broader attribution in the copyright header? Aug 25 01:39
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schestowitz>>>> What is malloc?Aug 25 03:19
schestowitz>>> https://man.openbsd.org/freezero.3Aug 25 03:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-man.openbsd.org | malloc(3) - OpenBSD manual pagesAug 25 03:19
schestowitz>>>Aug 25 03:19
schestowitz>>> There are at least several current OpenBSD developers using Patreon.Aug 25 03:19
schestowitz>>>Aug 25 03:19
schestowitz>>>> I can pare some server RAM is people want it ;-)Aug 25 03:19
schestowitz>> I know what malloc is in the programming context as I've used it, but itAug 25 03:19
schestowitz>> seemed out of places in list of benefits.Aug 25 03:19
schestowitzI meant out of place.Aug 25 03:19
schestowitzThird typo in a row, but it's OK, it's informal.Aug 25 03:19
schestowitz> It was listed as one of the main benefits of supporting Otto:Aug 25 03:19
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schestowitz> https://www.patreon.com/ottom6kAug 25 03:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.patreon.com | Otto Moerbeek is creating OpenBSD software | PatreonAug 25 03:19
schestowitzSo for us, the equivalent may be, "support Daily Links" or "support XYZ investigation"...Aug 25 03:19
schestowitzThough I don't know what the advantage/benefit might be; not fond of "tiers" (discrimination based on economics)...Aug 25 03:19
schestowitzBTW, I've just uploaded http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Working-From-Home-Lock-DownAug 25 03:19
schestowitzyesterday (birthday): http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Eat-Out-Help-OutAug 25 03:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com | Working From Home (Lock-Down)Aug 25 03:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com | Eat Out, Help OutAug 25 03:19
schestowitz> Hi, I’d prefer if the email address is fully removed as said. Thanks.Aug 25 03:19
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yRjDmprhApzY9THZQAug 25 04:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 25 04:47
schestowitz" it's apt:usb.ids in Debian, and it's quite up to date already."Aug 25 04:47
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yRUsX7bWdMxNHjwhcAug 25 04:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 25 04:47
schestowitz" Is there a peertube version of the playlist ?"Aug 25 04:47
schestowitznot afaikAug 25 04:47
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9yRj0083TSMUiyPEieAug 25 04:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaAug 25 04:47
schestowitz" it's used elsewhere too btw (in Haiku also)."Aug 25 04:47
schestowitzhttps://mamot.fr/@fredericbezies/104680451328153660Aug 25 04:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mamot.fr | Frederic Bezies: "@tuxmachines@mastodon.technology $39,99 for a sel…" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media FédéréAug 25 04:50
schestowitz"$39,99 for a self support - ie no support - download version? Are they crazy?"Aug 25 04:50
schestowitzhttps://mastodon.social/@tagomago/104738099123413818Aug 25 04:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mastodon.social | Tagomago: "@tuxmachines@mastodon.technology WTF! Very stinky…" - MastodonAug 25 04:50
schestowitz" WTF! Very stinky moves."Aug 25 04:50
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=GNU_Watch&diff=14854&oldid=prevAug 25 06:14
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | GNU Watch - TechrightsAug 25 06:14
schestowitz"''Finally, a bit of GOOD news:''' When D became part of GCC,  they made their GitHub account (which predates the acquisition by years) archived / read-only. This is the RIGHT way for GitHub-based software to join the GNU Project (deleting the old GitHub account is also acceptable)."Aug 25 06:14
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schestowitzx https://www.indiatimes.com/technology/science-and-future/bill-gates-coronavirus-vaccine-spend-520010.htmlAug 25 12:16
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.indiatimes.com | Bill Gates Spending $150 Million To Cut COVID-19 Vaccine Price To $3 Per DoseAug 25 12:16
schestowitz# bill sezAug 25 12:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/GordonFbpe/status/1298197818918744064Aug 25 13:12
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@GordonFbpe: @schestowitz Why would anyone want to? GNU/Linux much better....Aug 25 13:12

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