●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, September 25, 2021 ●● ● Sep 25 [01:09] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:09] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:50] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@uurtfaqyuy3us.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 25 [02:38] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:41] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [02:42] *activelow (~activelow@kpdwurn3ajvak.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:43] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@qabngysdisnd2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:59] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:59] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 25 [03:15] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [03:16] *activelow (~activelow@m4knbngu9spja.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:17] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [03:17] *activelow (~activelow@j7sw6ffz4gfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:17] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [03:19] *activelow (~activelow@8jptpizy8rnwu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:23] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [03:23] *activelow (~activelow@r7zq4q2ys63yk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:24] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [03:25] *activelow (~activelow@hwgmrsa9nr3ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:37] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [03:37] *activelow (~activelow@yvwf4zz6dnqky.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:38] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [03:39] *activelow (~activelow@2ucri543agytn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:55] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [03:57] *activelow (~activelow@gyqjhgtvpaygy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 25 [04:09] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:09] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:26] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:26] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:43] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Sep 25 [05:21] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:22] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 25 [06:33] *blitzed has quit (Quit: +++ATH0&D2 NO CARRIER NO CAREER) [06:44] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 25 [07:10] *activelow (~activelow@nzhst79p4udha.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:11] schestowitz "it's awkward that no major distros I know of have been shipping Gemini clients so far... as if they have been instructed not to" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-240921.html#tSep%2024%2023:49:20 [07:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 24, 2021 [07:13] Techrights-sec Quite the appearance. Hoqever, packagers are no longer common. If [07:13] Techrights-sec people think TM is an "app" then the overall knowledge level is too low to [07:13] Techrights-sec operate. See also my rant from the other day. [07:18] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:18] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:22] schestowitz-TR he has asked debian maintainers about it. push or prod can't harm... let's see what the outcome will be [07:24] schestowitz-TR I finished work in 1.5 hours. Overnight we spent 2 hours choosing photos to upload during the weekend, for the first time in nearly a year (not much to shoot with the lockdowns we do) [07:24] schestowitz-TR *finish work [07:25] Techrights-sec It's not hard work to package, usually, but it is work and it does take [07:25] Techrights-sec a time commitment in conjunction with the release cycles. [07:25] Techrights-sec It's considered entry level, but as mentioned there are too few people with [07:25] Techrights-sec even entry level skills. And those with the ability are busy elsewhere. [07:27] schestowitz-TR bortzmeyer now counts 1666 capsules [07:27] activelow it is alot of work, to meet QA criteria [07:29] activelow have fun reading the gentoo docs [07:32] activelow during the night i created 5 ebuilds already, and had finished more if the ugly DNS bug in tor-proxy didn't hit me again with telescope gemini client [07:32] activelow so, i debugged and fixed that quickly too, patching tor proxy [07:33] Techrights-sec Yes. It's good growth though not exponential. [07:35] schestowitz-TR growth will be faster when configuring one's capsule is as simple as apt-get agate (or similar) with scripts to bootstrap everything on localhost and a dialogue like they have for LAMP serevers [07:36] activelow i picked 24 ebuilds for gemini, which required reviewing what's available, those include clients, some gemini libs in python, a markdown converter, and 5 server packages [07:37] activelow those builds are all alpha ones (9999 in gentoo terms), git head [07:39] activelow i won't touch any other than C or Python, which is enought trouble already (cmake, meson, autotools, make, setuptools); gentoo got some neat ebuild helpers, and integrates seamlessly with git [07:40] activelow another problem is this: i keep the system OFFLINE while developing/compiling, so i need to mirror all git repos locally first, for security reasons, and to avoid accidents [07:41] schestowitz activelow: https://bkhome.org/news/202109/chromium-compiled-for-15-hours-before-failing.html [07:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-bkhome.org | Chromium compiled for 15 hours before failing [07:42] activelow btw. lagrange renders nicely on framebuffer (without X11), and it compiled in a few minutes on arm64 SBC, and lagrange is a heavyweight among gemini clients [07:43] Techrights-sec Yes, each distro has a whole different set of QA hoops. The technical skills [07:43] Techrights-sec are not that esoteric, it's mostly just time consuming. [07:43] Techrights-sec The server is a second, but similar, problem. I'll take a look at what's in [07:43] Techrights-sec the ports database after the next release of OpenBSD. If there is something [07:43] Techrights-sec reasonable for Gemini, I might add an instance^Wcapsule. [07:43] Techrights-sec So far the latest Ubuntu has only the client elpa-elpher and no server [07:43] Techrights-sec software. [07:45] schestowitz-TR activelow: yes, it is the heaviest I have seen [07:46] schestowitz-TR July latest git from Jon's site? [07:46] schestowitz-TR or latest stable release? [07:46] activelow nope, i pulled in latest git head today [07:46] schestowitz-TR 1.6.5 [07:47] activelow of cause, i cannot test all builds in detail, gentoo ensures some minimum QA with their ebuild system, once merged i do minimum acceptance [07:48] activelow meaning, program must launch, not crash, man page available, no file collisions; dependencies, source-uri/git, license noted [07:48] activelow i cannot verify a full use-flag/dependency graph initially, this will require gentoo-catalyst to drop a full ISO/arm-firmware relase [07:49] activelow which i am planning for another one until end of this year, which will fully exclude X11, and integrate directfb instead [07:53] activelow btw. yesterday i verified legacy BSD pty support: tmux needs patching, otherwise i feel confident and will enforce legacy pty with my distro [07:53] activelow if Alan Cox resigned over a dispute with pty handling, there must have been reasons [07:55] activelow good night [07:57] schestowitz-TR gn ● Sep 25 [08:13] schestowitz-TR 2.22TB of bandwidth since uploading the RMS talk or Since Sunday [08:13] *blitzed (~blitzed@pv67xjyd8dra8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:28] schestowitz "Fake news. Linkedin works. I know two people that has MS and Google contact them from LinkedIn profile" [08:28] schestowitz https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cKiRnF7#replies [08:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thelayoff.com | If you don't leave in 2021, you never will! - post regarding IBM layoffs [08:29] schestowitz Microsoft uses its own spying platform to contact people. What a shock... [08:30] schestowitz x https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/get-started-windows-subsystem-for-linux-windows-11 [08:31] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tomshardware.com | How to Install Windows Subsystem for Linux in Windows 11 | Tom's Hardware [08:38] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:38] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:40] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:41] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:46] Techrights-sec Mostly the RMS video? [08:46] Techrights-sec How many downloads? [08:46] schestowitz-TR see tmux [08:53] Techrights-sec Yep. [08:53] Techrights-sec BTW : https://openports.se/net/vger [08:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-openports.se | OpenPorts.se | The OpenBSD package collection [08:54] schestowitz-TR the numbers were a lot higher months ago, but we made about 3 times as many videos back then. I need topic ideas, I've covered a lot of what needed covering in videos and I don't want to do repetition (can link to old videos instead) [08:55] schestowitz-TR I know about vget and checked it before (now downloading, just info) ● Sep 25 [09:05] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:05] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:05] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:05] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:29] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:29] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:30] Techrights-sec I'll see if I can think of topics for videos. [09:30] Techrights-sec What was that about LF trying to shutdown all Linux / GNU/Linux conferences [09:30] Techrights-sec except for the ones they control? I wonder if there is evidence of them [09:30] Techrights-sec pushing CoCs everywhere. Linus needs to take his trademark, fork the code, andwalk. [09:31] schestowitz-TR afaik, some people who read TR did contact Torvalds. At least gives him the idea. [09:34] Techrights-sec I hope he has at least given the idea consideration. I presume that [09:34] Techrights-sec regardless of his inclinations he is afraid of the huge amount of [09:34] Techrights-sec administrivia and financing required to start anew. [09:34] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:35] Techrights-sec The trouble started when it cancelled the community representative. [09:35] Techrights-sec ^representation. [09:36] schestowitz other /types/ of issues preceded that, so it started before it [09:37] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:41] Techrights-sec Yes, though the removal of community representation was a /huge/ warning [09:41] Techrights-sec to the world. [09:41] Techrights-sec Regardless, the corruption arrived quickly. What could be done to [09:41] Techrights-sec ensure a slower takeover of a replacement institution? A lot of it comes [09:41] Techrights-sec down to the individuals participating and their integrity. However, [09:41] Techrights-sec they are supported in staying on track by sound guidelines and maybe the [09:41] Techrights-sec right charter. That CoC crap did its job in distracting from the infiltration [09:41] Techrights-sec and destruction. [09:41] Techrights-sec Heck they even signed Linus up for unnecessary treatment. [09:42] schestowitz In BI, recently, they stated clearly that he had been signed for therapists as if he was mentally ill. Smacks of Communist Russia. [09:42] schestowitz I regard that a form of self-humiliation and degradation, akin to what was done to Assange to demoralise him [09:45] schestowitz the stallman.org site has not been the same. Rianne is now telling me it's like "lite" (cigs and chocolate). RMS-lite, Linus-lite. That's how the authorities like it. Self-censorship. [09:46] schestowitz Lithuania says that China now enforces this using 'phones'. [09:50] Techrights-sec And got away with it. [09:50] Techrights-sec Yes, inappropriate, wrong, and unnecessary medical treatment was / is used [09:50] Techrights-sec as a form of torture. [09:50] Techrights-sec Yes. [09:50] Techrights-sec With Assange lies and disinformation still circulate. And some of those who [09:50] Techrights-sec were actively spreading those lies are still around in FOSS circles, just [09:50] Techrights-sec . [09:51] Techrights-sec Too bad. Yes. The option is present in the various models but only turned [09:51] Techrights-sec on in specific countries or under specific circumstances. That gives them [09:51] Techrights-sec room to use weasel words to dodge the question in the press. [09:53] schestowitz-TR maybe worth doing some video about? it feels a bit like old news, but those issues persist [09:53] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:53] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:56] Techrights-sec Current issues are always relevant, even if they've presisted a long time. [09:56] Techrights-sec The important thing is to show both that it has been a long term problem [09:56] Techrights-sec and that it is highly relevent in the current environment. [09:56] schestowitz-TR I'll have a thing about it and simulate inside my mind what points can be made and how [09:56] schestowitz-TR *think about ● Sep 25 [10:06] schestowitz-TR I've begun drafting something [10:36] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:36] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 25 [11:16] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:16] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:19] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@p5vrfi379b7yu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 25 [12:01] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:01] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:14] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:16] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:25] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [12:50] Techrights-sec router maintenance in a bit ● Sep 25 [13:19] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:40] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:51] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:52] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 25 [14:32] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:32] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:33] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:35] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 25 [15:02] Techrights-sec ok. set... for a while [15:02] Techrights-sec Why is this a screenshot: http://techrights.org/2021/09/24/rms-talk-in-poland/ [15:02] Techrights-sec and not as text? Text would work in Gemini, too. [15:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Richard Stallman to Speak (in Person) in Poland, Dedicate the Talk to Medical Professionals | Techrights [15:02] schestowitz-TR see the alt text of that image [15:02] schestowitz-TR also, I gave two different links which contain the full text [15:03] Techrights-sec Ok. [15:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:34] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:35] Techrights-sec For some reason the two links are not present in Gemini. [15:35] Techrights-sec I think I found it. The A is within EM which is within P. [15:35] Techrights-sec Running update now. [15:35] Techrights-sec See: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/09/24/rms-talk-in-poland/index.gmi [15:35] Techrights-sec There is still the question of the semantic value of 'here' as link text though.. [15:35] Techrights-sec gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/change/ [15:35] schestowitz-TR thanks, we can always regenerate pages with improved versions of the code. I've finished the draft of the video post just now. 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The intention was that nobody would have to pay for permission to use the GNU system. But the words don't make this clear, and people often interpret them as saying that copies of GNU should always be distributed at little or no charge. That was never the intent." [21:57] *psydroid3 has quit (connection closed)