●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, September 25, 2022 ●● ● Sep 25 [00:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 25 [06:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [06:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 25 [07:07] Techrights-sec Remember that Lunduke and others have commented that putting the string "Linux" [07:07] Techrights-sec in the video title gets it demonetized, at least initially. The status can [07:07] Techrights-sec be restored after a small fight, but by then the peak has past and there [07:07] Techrights-sec will be only a trickle of views left for that video. Most videos get all [07:07] Techrights-sec their views at the beginning, so this tactic of Google is a way to eliminate [07:07] Techrights-sec production of "Linux" videos. There used to be other sites which were always [07:07] Techrights-sec fighting demonetization, though I cannot recall which companies. For example [07:07] Techrights-sec the original GNUheter site always had problem with its ad revenue and the [07:07] Techrights-sec ad vendor usually refused to pay and never paid what was owed, claiming [07:07] Techrights-sec false stats. [07:07] Techrights-sec So it's not just against the channels but against all coverage of Linux or GNU [07:07] Techrights-sec anywhere. [07:07] Techrights-sec https://odysee.com/@switchedtolinux:0/wth-youtube-queen-wiciwici-may-be-after:2 [07:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | WTH YouTube? | Queen Wiciwici may be after me again! [07:13] schestowitz-TR gm [07:13] schestowitz-TR i recorded 2 videos and went to sleep while they process [07:13] schestowitz-TR I will finish the process shortly [07:13] schestowitz-TR will quote your explanation [07:13] schestowitz-TR I had mentioned something to that effect in the longer (45 min) video [07:13] schestowitz-TR which will give another example (dr. campbell) [07:13] schestowitz-TR yesterday did not go as planned, i got like a dozen emails and calls from the scammed friend ● Sep 25 [08:21] schestowitz-TR draft [08:21] Techrights-sec checking [08:26] Techrights-sec GMail ignores the existence of Thunderbird: [08:26] Techrights-sec https://support.google.com/a/answer/9003945?hl=en [08:26] Techrights-sec and mainly only works with OAuth-emcumbered software [08:26] Techrights-sec https://support.google.com/a/answer/7281227 [08:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-support.google.com | Set up Gmail with a third-party email client - Google Workspace Admin Help [08:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-support.google.com | Control which third-party & internal apps access Google Workspace data - Google Workspace Admin Help [08:28] Techrights-sec "As of May 30, 2022, Google no longer allows Less secure apps [sic] access for Gmail accounts, thus OAuth is required. If you are using Google supplied app [08:28] Techrights-sec passwords, Thunderbird version 91.8.0 and newer will make that conversion for you. Further, Gmail accounts do not work with Thunderbird 31 and older becau [08:28] Techrights-sec se they do not support Google's OAuth (implemented in bug 849540)." [08:28] Techrights-sec https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-gmail [08:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-support.mozilla.org | Thunderbird and Gmail | Thunderbird Help [08:42] schestowitz-TR thanks, I've incorporated all the aboive poins [08:42] schestowitz-TR got massive distracted by troll incident in irc [08:42] schestowitz-TR i should look away more [08:42] schestowitz-TR also lost my train of thought and forgot some point that I had planned to add to the text [08:42] schestowitz-TR need to slow down and not multitask with irc [08:42] schestowitz-TR i need to sit down and think how to better manage the time; maybe I'll take a walk again later, that was a lot of fun... [08:44] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:45] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:47] schestowitz-TR may i suggest, a la "ota", [08:47] schestowitz-TR we use some tag for topics to cover [08:47] schestowitz-TR then I can scan the irc logs for that tag to see the topics [08:47] schestowitz-TR e.g. [topic] [08:47] schestowitz-TR so that acts as a market fow when I'm done with rss feeds [08:47] schestowitz-TR [topic] Why Canonical is Not a Friend of GNU/Linux Freedom and Mentioning WSL/systemd Helps Windows [08:47] schestowitz-TR [topic] Microsoft Is Vanishing From Netcraft [08:48] schestowitz-TR [topic] Kristall in KDE Neon [08:48] schestowitz-TR [topic] Separating Techrights IRC Channel From Non-Tech-Related Politics [08:48] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:57] Techrights-sec ok [08:59] schestowitz-TR will record 'in bulk' later [08:59] schestowitz-TR it's a lot faster [08:59] schestowitz-TR and they can be short [08:59] schestowitz-TR maybe at some point I will add a "playlist" file so that the processing can be done for multiple files in series [08:59] schestowitz-TR without human intervention [08:59] schestowitz-TR when handling multiple files things start to get confusing [08:59] schestowitz-TR as they are labeled by the data and time only ● Sep 25 [09:01] Techrights-sec ok [09:01] Techrights-sec [topic] GMail not supporting standard IMAPS and instead supporting a slightly incompatible variant [09:04] schestowitz-TR i don't have enough knowledge of it [09:04] schestowitz-TR if the links you passed along earlier cover it, i can go through them [09:04] schestowitz-TR like we did in march [09:04] schestowitz-TR i used imap only at work and still use imap at work [09:04] schestowitz-TR for my personal accounts I'm pop3 [09:04] schestowitz-TR and sometimes "leave on server" (do not pop) [09:04] schestowitz-TR i spent years (job) supporting email access for uni professors here [09:04] schestowitz-TR plus vpn, dial-up (ran bsd)... [09:04] schestowitz-TR mostly for library access [09:04] schestowitz-TR digital access to journals from home [09:11] Techrights-sec POP went out in the 1990s; IMAPS can download or leave on the server [09:18] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [09:22] Techrights-sec rver [09:22] Techrights-sec [09:22] Techrights-sec In the 1990s many (most?) universities had Kerberos + LDAP to identify [09:22] Techrights-sec users whether on campus or off campus and let them have access to the right [09:22] Techrights-sec level consistent with the rules. I guess that was later all scrapped [09:22] Techrights-sec so that IPv4-based all-or-nothing level access could replace it. The VPN [09:22] Techrights-sec is an unnecessary redundant bug-ridden pile of crap though. [09:22] Techrights-sec Usually the only purposes of the VPN is to siphon money out of the university's [09:22] Techrights-sec budget and have an innocuous excuse to ban GNU/Linux desktops and clients, [09:22] Techrights-sec FreeBSD as well. [09:23] schestowitz-TR we ueed ldap [09:23] schestowitz-TR for the vpn and for dial-up [09:23] schestowitz-TR i had interfaces for ldap to check the users' accounts [09:23] schestowitz-TR i had high-level access to the full DB of the uni [09:23] schestowitz-TR the vpn ws not there just for library access though [09:23] schestowitz-TR many resources were lazily made lan-restricted [09:23] schestowitz-TR based on ip address [09:23] schestowitz-TR inc. at the cs depat [09:23] schestowitz-TR *dept [09:23] schestowitz-TR epo does the same [09:23] schestowitz-TR they have a vpn form intranet and such [09:23] Techrights-sec Keyword: lazily [09:23] Techrights-sec euphemism for: incompetently [09:54] Techrights-sec Same for "intranet". With proper access control, a VPN is only an expensive [09:54] Techrights-sec boondoggle and serves no purpose but to bleed coffers and to block GNU/Linux [09:55] schestowitz-TR i think that the vpn has another purpose: spying [09:55] schestowitz-TR they want to log everything [09:55] schestowitz-TR using the middleman for packets [09:55] schestowitz-TR spying on workers [09:55] schestowitz-TR albeit there are workarounds [09:55] schestowitz-TR like using two machines or two stacks in tandem [09:55] schestowitz-TR without turning off and on a vpn ● Sep 25 [10:03] Techrights-sec In practice, there are very few real use-cases for VPNs, despite them [10:03] Techrights-sec being shoehorned in everywhere (usually to block GNU/Linux) [10:04] schestowitz-TR back then I tried to support the vpn for slackware and bsd users [10:04] schestowitz-TR but my boss (mark) had an attitude that was like, [10:04] schestowitz-TR if these people can figure out how to install it (20 years ago) [10:04] schestowitz-TR they can probably figure out the vpn [10:04] schestowitz-TR and can compile from source, too [10:05] Techrights-sec Whereas if the authentication and authorization had happened via Kerberos [10:05] Techrights-sec and LDAP, both would have been supported more or less automatically. [10:11] schestowitz-TR rememeber we did not even have firefox yet [10:12] Techrights-sec Yeah that was back in the Netscape days [10:12] Techrights-sec or era. IIRC all that could be done not only as a web service but /without/ [10:12] Techrights-sec cookies, but time has passed and I am not sure of the details any more. [10:14] schestowitz-TR iirc, vpn was not ued so much for journal access [10:14] schestowitz-TR the library had a web portal [10:14] schestowitz-TR for journ access, downloading pdfs etc. [10:14] schestowitz-TR i think people just needed dial-up from home [10:14] schestowitz-TR witgh ldap [10:14] schestowitz-TR not to rely on isps [10:14] schestowitz-TR this was pre-boradband for many regions [10:15] schestowitz-TR the vpn came later [10:15] schestowitz-TR for some faculties that mistook vpn for 'security' [10:15] Techrights-sec There were strong sales teams pushing VPNs combined with managers seeing [10:15] Techrights-sec them as a stealth method of blocking GNU/Linux + BSD plus, I suspect, kickbacks [10:16] schestowitz-TR the market share or userbase of any kind of linux was a lot smaller back then, but enjoyed momentum [10:16] schestowitz-TR one was to slow down momentum was to fulful the prophecy of "it's too hard" [10:16] schestowitz-TR and x not supported. [10:16] schestowitz-TR e.g. x=games [10:17] Techrights-sec Not entirely, it was threatening to grow on the desktop overall and was [10:17] Techrights-sec becoming popular at universities. :/ [10:17] Techrights-sec The lack of game support was and probably still is cited by the business [10:17] Techrights-sec community as a reason for not using GNU/Linux at work. WTF?? [10:24] Techrights-sec Back when /. was still relevant and independent, there was a huge attempt at [10:24] Techrights-sec getting Adobe to port Photoshop. The company responded poorly and doubled down [10:24] Techrights-sec on avoiding the platform. [10:32] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:44] schestowitz-TR source, mjg59_? [10:44] Techrights-sec SELF was under heavy attack for its successful progressive work in "inclusivity" [10:44] Techrights-sec They use a blind review process, unlike the other conferences. [10:44] Techrights-sec I hope ESR is ok soon but that is a serious health issue. Can that be verified [10:44] Techrights-sec from a reliable source and not just a rumor? [10:47] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:48] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:49] schestowitz-TR "There has been an unprecedented rush of people canceling their subscriptions to this blog the last five days." https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/i-am-puzzled/ | Source: Craig Murray [10:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.craigmurray.org.uk | I Am Puzzled - Craig Murray [10:49] schestowitz-TR "Could be people are struggling with providing for themselves at the moment; could also be a hacker. Is there any way you can check this?" https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/i-am-puzzled/ [10:50] schestowitz-TR "It seems the only way to subscribe to this blog is via PayPal which is currently out of favour because of its censorship of free-speech organisations. Im surprised they havent got round to cutting off this site." https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/i-am-puzzled/ [10:51] mjg59_ schestowitz-TR: https://twitter.com/mtaht/status/1554203297891827712 - Dave Taht knows esr well [10:51] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mtaht: @realsporky @mjg59 He is recovering from stomach cancer. [10:53] schestowitz-TR craig murray: "Good point. Certainly people continually find they have unfollowed me on twitter." Happened to Wikileaks and others too. Social control media can not only censor but also hide and break links between nodes. https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/i-am-puzzled/comment-page-1/#comments [10:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.craigmurray.org.uk | I Am Puzzled - Craig Murray [10:57] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:57] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 25 [11:03] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [11:03] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [11:15] Techrights-sec ack [11:15] Techrights-sec ack [11:16] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4jwbkwrmdsaik.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:16] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [11:16] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@22agg6qj8dxhg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:47] schestowitz-TR lasagna finished, that was fast [11:47] schestowitz-TR just got off the phone, long call [11:47] schestowitz-TR and yes, twitter and other such crap is a very unreliable and low s/n "outlet" [11:47] schestowitz-TR "outlet" is the right term [11:47] schestowitz-TR goes well with "shitter" [11:47] schestowitz-TR gonna try to clean up feeds etc. and later record 4-5 topics [11:53] Techrights-sec ack [11:59] schestowitz-TR Sam Varghese wasting his time doing these puff pieces :/ https://itwire.com/mobile-devices/review-oppo-reno8-pro-5g-lives-life-in-the-fast-charging-lane.html [11:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-iTWire - Review: Oppo Reno8 Pro 5G lives life in the fast-charging lane ● Sep 25 [12:01] Techrights-sec Likely required by his managers [12:01] schestowitz-TR if I added a sentence, that would be it [12:21] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-s91.n9b.35qdac.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [12:59] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Sep 25 [13:07] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [13:09] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-fir.310.tinorq.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [13:58] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[13:59] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@22agg6qj8dxhg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:59] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 25 [14:01] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:34] schestowitz-TR cops and authorities useless, as usual [14:34] schestowitz-TR unless you are billg [14:34] schestowitz-TR then they attack the critics, not the criminals [14:35] schestowitz-TR no, microsoft is the victim of its own platform being used for fraud [14:46] schestowitz-TR I once called the police about days-long ddos attack [14:46] schestowitz-TR "it was like talking to a deaf person" -Lavros about Liz Trump [14:46] schestowitz-TR *Lavrov ● Sep 25 [15:01] schestowitz-TR 40+ "reports" in michael west this past week... from AAP (AP) [15:01] schestowitz-TR I came for the "Independent journalism" [15:01] Techrights-sec ack [15:01] Techrights-sec He has fully outsourced his site then [15:01] schestowitz-TR not fully, but it needs filtering [15:18] Techrights-sec It'd be great if he had a separate Atom or RSS feed for /just/ his work which [15:18] Techrights-sec leaves out the newsfeed junk. [15:19] schestowitz-TR yes, you probably understand and can relate to why I take issues with this approach [15:19] schestowitz-TR it's like contamination of motivations [15:19] schestowitz-TR de-purifying the independence and moreover this means that any time I link to his site I boost all "that other stuff" [15:19] Techrights-sec yes [15:20] schestowitz-TR "that other stuff" [15:20] schestowitz-TR e.g. [15:20] schestowitz-TR 1) the economy is good news [15:20] schestowitz-TR 2) our great leaders do wonderful job [15:20] schestowitz-TR 3) cat found, very very important to know!! ● Sep 25 [16:26] Techrights-sec :/ ● Sep 25 [17:29] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:48] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 25 [18:36] *starstreak has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:37] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 25 [19:25] schestowitz-TR 0/ ● Sep 25 [20:08] schestowitz-TR British Government Stops Properly Reporting How Many COVID-19 Patients Are Admitted to Hospital and Die (as Winter Approaches and Numbers Already Goes Up) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/25/no-data-no-problems/ [20:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive British Government Stops Properly Reporting How Many COVID-19 Patients Are Admitted to Hospital and Die (as Winter Approaches and Numbers Already Goes Up) [20:41] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4ezhkt94yncuu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 25 [21:53] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Sep 25 [22:07] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-b0j.tcl.rgjs7c.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [22:26] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) ● Sep 25 [23:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [23:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:53] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [23:54] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell