●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 ●● ● Jan 26 [01:30] schestowitz-TR2 bad news/good news [01:30] schestowitz-TR2 joindiapora is shutting down [01:30] schestowitz-TR2 unless someone saves it o r takes over, which tbh I doubt at this point [01:31] schestowitz-TR2 so I'm thinking... maybe I should quit Twitter soon, discontinue/shelve the account there [01:36] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@649vp4tpz9j66.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 26 [02:27] *techrights_guest|60 (~46e102f3@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:29] *techrights_guest|60 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Jan 26 [03:52] Techrights-sec if / when you shelve the twitter account do it with a long lead in and lots of [03:52] Techrights-sec notice both there and on the web [03:52] schestowitz-TR2 first let's see if we can save joindiapora, that still seems achievable [03:53] schestowitz-TR2 tuxmachines relies on it also. for twitter, mastodon, tumblr [03:53] Techrights-sec ok that would be best [03:53] Techrights-sec wow [03:54] schestowitz-TR2 i feel a little guilty that over tyhe past 2 years I've not bveen keeping up with replies there (whereas the garbage I get in MINDS I did keepo up with) [03:55] Techrights-sec sites like diaspora live or die based on usage [03:56] schestowitz-TR2 that and funds... so I've said publicly I would gladly help pay for my share of the usage. I did donate about 5 times in recent years. [03:56] Techrights-sec ack [03:57] schestowitz-TR2 pulling out of it and everything it connects to may be gratifying ont he shallow [03:57] schestowitz-TR2 surface, but it is in essence, pulling a Lunduke, harming onself ● Jan 26 [04:00] Techrights-sec lunduke seems to have gone off the deep end anyway [04:24] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:24] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:28] Techrights-sec If students build a Gemini client or server on OpenBSD, then [04:28] Techrights-sec https://man.openbsd.org/pledge [04:28] Techrights-sec https://man.openbsd.org/unveil [04:28] Techrights-sec unveil(2) and pledge(2) would help in not just securing the results but [04:28] Techrights-sec organizing their concept of the system [04:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-man.openbsd.org | pledge(2) - OpenBSD manual pages [04:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-man.openbsd.org | unveil(2) - OpenBSD manual pages [04:28] schestowitz-TR2 maybe you can tell that to A.F. who is the reason I enters mumble [04:29] schestowitz-TR2 can do multip-user call [04:39] Techrights-sec ok [04:39] Techrights-sec I'm not sure I'm articulate on the topic, I'm certainly barely knowledgable. [04:41] Techrights-sec OpenBSD is well-suited for teaching doe to it's careful design, very clean [04:41] Techrights-sec code base, and exquisite documentation. ● Jan 26 [05:27] schestowitz re: sorry - spelling [05:27] schestowitz > Coroner was not spelt correctly to begin with, it is fixed now [05:27] schestowitz > [05:27] schestowitz > In case anybody tries to create more hype, the report is not a leak: [05:27] schestowitz > anybody can contact the coroner's office to ask for a copy. [05:27] schestowitz > [05:27] schestowitz > Some people are already madly trying to block the link from search [05:27] schestowitz > results. This goes against the nature of a coroner's report. The [05:27] schestowitz > coroner conducts hearings in public so that society can look at the [05:27] schestowitz > circumstances and learn from them. [05:28] schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/160687 [05:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Coroner's Report: Lucy Wayland & Debian Abuse Culture | Tux Machines [05:35] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896 [05:35] schestowitz " [05:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/ [05:35] schestowitz @Dr. Roy Schestowitz () As this isnt my first rodeo Ive been through a few platform migrations Ive learned a few things and can suggest priorities based on them. [05:35] schestowitz Preserving your own continuity and data are the most straightford and high-probability-of-success steps you can take. They directly enable other courses of action in the future and maximise future options. [05:35] schestowitz Attempting to salvage JoindiasporaCom at this point is a long shot and one that seems unlikely given present admin responses (effectively: none). I dont know why Lukas is unresponsive, only that he is. [05:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [05:35] schestowitz Suggested Actions, In Order of Priority [05:35] schestowitz Establish a new presence now. That ensures a presence going forward. Even if you ultimately choose not to use that profile, it is useful and a form of insurance. [05:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [05:35] schestowitz Archive your existing posts. Profile Settings Export Data (https://joindiaspora.com/user/edit) [05:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab [05:35] schestowitz The back-end for importing posts to a new instance has been developed, the front-end has not. You should be able to re-import and re-host your old posts in future. [05:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-joindiaspora.com | JoinDiaspora* - Sign in [05:35] schestowitz Consider spinning up your own instance / self-hosting. That was the promise of Diaspora* all along. [05:35] schestowitz Work to see if JoindiapsporaCom itself can be salvaged. Given that Lukas Matt is highly unresponsive to requests, that seems like a long shot. [05:35] schestowitz The first four steps, though, will ensure that your own profile and data continue to exist. [05:35] schestowitz Archiving Data [05:35] schestowitz You can also reasonably easily submit your own posts to the Internet Archives Wayback Machine once youve extracted the JSON archive. That requires both that youve created the archive AND that JoindiasporaCom is still online, so the sooner you create the archive the better. IAs Wayback Machine does not include comments in its archives so far as I can tell. But youll at least have the posts, and links elsewhere can be reasonably [05:35] schestowitz easily reassociated with IAs copy. [05:35] schestowitz (Ive detailed more of this at the Migration Issues post mentioned previously in this thread.) [05:35] schestowitz Archive.Today will capture comments, but theres no bulk archive capability that Im aware of, posts must be individually submitted, and the site puts up frequent CAPTCHAs. [05:35] schestowitz You can also take steps to ensure your old posts are federated across other Diaspora* and Fediverse instances, though in my experience this doesnt capture older comments. [05:35] schestowitz How much value you find in comments and discussions on your old posts is for you to determine. [05:35] schestowitz Your Call [05:35] schestowitz Again: this is my acquired wisdom over time. Your actions are your call. But given options and outcomes, I strongly recommend you create a profile (or multiple profiles) elsewhere, announce those now, and start exporting your data if youve not already done so. [05:35] schestowitz " [05:55] schestowitz Thank you for the long message. For my account, migration is almost infeasible (cannot export content except photos) and I think we should strive to get stewardship for this pod, provided it can be passed over with data, login credentials etc. If someone is willing to help, and if Lukas isn't responding, contact me as I think Lukas is responsive to those not perceived to be wasting time. Lukas, can you reconsider for this one pod the plan to [05:55] schestowitz disband if we can raise enough funds from enough users? ● Jan 26 [06:50] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jan 26 [07:45] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [07:45] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@asrpphbur8fa4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 26 [09:58] schestowitz-TR2 restarting apache [09:58] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896 [09:58] schestowitz " [09:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/ [09:58] schestowitz @Dr. Roy Schestowitz () My experience was that ~2800 posts ran about 18 MB compressed. [09:58] schestowitz Text should be much smaller than photos. [09:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [09:58] schestowitz If you do actually have 500k posts (about 16% of all posts on JD FWIW), youre probably looking at a few GB of total data if your post size patterns follow my own. [09:58] schestowitz (2800 posts, 18 MB compressed 6.4 kB/post 3.2 GB for 500k posts, very roughly.) [09:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [09:58] schestowitz As I recall, most of your content is linking to your own Techrights.org site, or otherwise link syndication. Relatively little is unique to JD, correct? [09:58] schestowitz Again, your call. [09:59] schestowitz Pavithran S [09:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab [09:59] schestowitz Pavithran S - about 2 hours ago [09:59] schestowitz For my account, migration is almost infeasible (cannot export content except photos) [09:59] schestowitz Same problem, Is it because Roy and me have very old accounts? [09:59] schestowitz Pavithran S [09:59] schestowitz Pavithran S - about 2 hours ago [09:59] schestowitz This is frightening news to me. I spent almost 12 years posting (I think) about half a million posts here, made friends and connections here, still rely on it a great deal. [09:59] schestowitz Yes it is frightening. I remember you had not just those posts which might be exported but worst of all the community and comments are all gone :( [09:59] schestowitz **joe [09:59] schestowitz **joe - about an hour ago [09:59] schestowitz I wonder if @Maxwell Salzberg can help? [09:59] schestowitz " [09:59] schestowitz I do not have the option to export my data and either way, it would be a shame to throw away a working domain with maybe a million links leading to it, tons of Internet history. Let's save what exists already, using the existing domain. We can raise money... ● Jan 26 [10:02] schestowitz-TR2 almost 3 hours downtime? [10:08] schestowitz-TR2 ack [10:08] schestowitz-TR2 checking [10:08] schestowitz-TR2 It went out at just after 05:00, so yeah it was out and my )(*&^%$%^&* script [10:08] schestowitz-TR2 failed to squawk. [10:09] schestowitz https://finance.yahoo.com/news/global-lawful-interception-market-size-102100572.html [10:09] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-finance.yahoo.com | The global Lawful Interception Market size is expected to grow USD 3.5 billion in 2021 to USD 12.9 billion by 2026, at a Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) of 29.3% ● Jan 26 [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 nothin major in messages [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 ok, some quick thoughts [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 moving to the coffee now [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 it was a small breaskfast [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 so let me just see first what happens with joindiapora [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 ftr, here is how it works: [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 i posted there since 2010 or 2011 [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 prior to that it was identica, which was warning [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 instead of exporting from identica to twitter i started doing this from JD [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 JS is joindiapora [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 JD would expore later also to wordpress.com [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 tuxmachines was later inheriting the official linus account in JD [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 it then exporet to: [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 twitter [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 mastodon [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 tumblr [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 so JD became a 'firehose for 4 accounts of tuxmachines and 3 of TR [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 never mind Daily Links, IRC, schestowiutz.com copies etc. [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 if JD falls over, as several instances of gnusocial/mastodon/pleroma did (I [11:22] schestowitz-TR2 used all 3 for fediverse presence), then we might need to o rethink a lot [11:23] schestowitz-TR2 JD cutoff or deadlie is March 1st [11:23] schestowitz-TR2 only last night Lukas started advertising this in the front page of everyone [11:23] schestowitz-TR2 so I think it's a call for help or for someone to take over using a [11:23] schestowitz-TR2 bit of alarmism [11:24] Techrights-sec I don't have the skill to program the backend, or the front end for that matter [11:25] Techrights-sec tail -f /var/log/messages ? [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 -n something | more [11:26] schestowitz-TR2 I took a look, did not help me [11:26] schestowitz-TR2 Jan 26 11:23:46 techrights rc.local: ... [11:26] schestowitz-TR2 specifically [11:26] schestowitz-TR2 it's mirroring IRC or something? [11:27] Techrights-sec Jan 26 11:23:46 techrights rc.local: ... [11:27] Techrights-sec specifically [11:27] Techrights-sec it's mirroring IRC or something? [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 this is ok [11:27] Techrights-sec Is this script: /root/irc-all.sh noisy on stdout or stderr? [11:28] schestowitz-TR2 iirc, this is not that file but the IRC bot itself [11:28] schestowitz-TR2 it has 5 instances for 5 channels [11:29] Techrights-sec right but something is putting IRC messages into /var/log/messages [11:31] Techrights-sec tail -f /var/log/messages | awk '$5~/rc.local/' [11:31] schestowitz-TR2 i imagine that's just the way the bot are made and certainly not the cause of apa [11:32] schestowitz-TR2 che issues [11:32] schestowitz-TR2 I did not write this bot [11:32] Techrights-sec ok, then we'll need >/dev/null 2>&1 there [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 yes, can you use mumble? ● Jan 26 [12:36] Techrights-sec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaconing [12:36] Techrights-sec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law [12:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Meaconing - Wikipedia [12:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Ex post facto law - Wikipedia [12:47] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:56] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896 [12:56] schestowitz "https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896" [12:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/ [12:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [12:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [12:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab [12:56] schestowitz "Yeah true, I am also willing to donate. I also have so many comments and discussions which I cherish from this pod." [12:58] schestowitz I can think of many active users here, Glyn Moody, for example, who knowing the situation would join us in a fund-raising campaign. What's the annual hosting bill, aside from manual work associated with it (maintenance)? This pod is so important to me that I'm willing to share the cost of the bills and also help on the technical side gives access to machines... ● Jan 26 [13:10] schestowitz-TR2 thanks for the long chat btw, lots of stuff to think about, got tons of days off work next month, trying to sort out the JD situation and will prioritise as necessary to ensure we maintain maximal/positive impact [13:19] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:19] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:21] schestowitz-TR2 just wrapped up Daily Links [13:21] schestowitz-TR2 will "OTA" in a moment [13:21] schestowitz-TR2 hope site will cope ok [13:32] *techrights_guest|13 (~7ab4b51d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:32] *techrights_guest|13 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [13:36] Techrights-sec np [13:51] *psydruid has quit (connection closed) [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 done [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 while recording I spotted a permissions issue [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 the ipfs account cannot write to the page in gemini that presents the list of ipf [13:51] schestowitz-TR2 s hashes [13:51] Techrights-sec ack [13:51] Techrights-sec I've been thinking more about the system and that part of the reality is that [13:51] Techrights-sec all systems have a built-in lifecycle. With CentOS 6 having passed its EOL, [13:51] Techrights-sec in March we probably ought to make concrete plans and set a timeline for [13:51] Techrights-sec migration. [13:52] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:56] schestowitz-TR2 permission issue solved, will record another video [13:57] Techrights-sec looking [13:57] Techrights-sec The directory permissions need to be member of the group ipfslinks [13:57] Techrights-sec Then g=wrxs for the directory. [13:57] Techrights-sec Also I should be in the group gpio in order to use the ping_roy script [13:58] Techrights-sec or make another group instead of ipfslinks and use that for xxxx and gemini to [13:58] Techrights-sec share the directory. [13:58] Techrights-sec excellent [13:58] schestowitz-TR2 yes, we will do somethign about the whole infra, it's a sham that we are using su [13:58] schestowitz-TR2 ch stale a stack ● Jan 26 [14:04] schestowitz usermod -aG gpio you [14:04] Techrights-sec ack [14:04] schestowitz-TR2 OTA [14:44] schestowitz-TR2 done [14:44] schestowitz-TR2 the current scripts help me make and process several video in conjunction ● Jan 26 [15:04] schestowitz-TR2 restarting apxche [15:12] schestowitz-TR2 see draft [15:12] Techrights-sec it must have been out only a short time [15:12] Techrights-sec ack [15:13] schestowitz-TR2 yes, I caught that within a minute while trying the article after the gemini one, with the video now preocessing while the first finishes the upload [15:14] schestowitz Don't Fall for Microsoft's Spin That Everything is Not Secure and Cannot be Secured [15:14] schestowitz your witty remarks can be integrated [15:14] schestowitz I am still working on the text [15:14] Techrights-sec The simplicity of both the Gemini protocol and Gemtext are what makes it [15:14] Techrights-sec attractive for teaching, for it allows the students to focus on [15:14] Techrights-sec the system. As you pointed out earlier. [15:17] schestowitz-TR2 I have just triggered the processing of video #1 as the first one is doing phase [15:17] schestowitz-TR2 2 of upload [15:17] schestowitz-TR2 rianne has tuxmachines covered for now, along with marius et al [15:17] schestowitz-TR2 I work at 5:30 ● Jan 26 [16:17] schestowitz-TR2 draft [16:17] schestowitz-TR2 upload in phase 1 now so you can start playing the first few mins of the video [16:17] schestowitz-TR2 am still editing the text a bit, adding refs [16:17] Techrights-sec Rust is GitHub :( [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 Rust is security :-) [16:18] schestowitz-TR2 except when Rust itself has holes [16:39] Techrights-sec apache seems stuck again [16:39] Techrights-sec ah yes, small text ... [16:39] schestowitz-TR2 yes, who to restart, me or you? [16:39] schestowitz-TR2 wait [16:39] schestowitz-TR2 you are in tuxmachines [16:39] schestowitz-TR2 wait [16:39] schestowitz-TR2 wrong machine [16:41] Techrights-sec firefox: The certificate is not trusted because it is self-signed. [16:49] Techrights-sec Any idea how long the Gemini mailing list will be out for? [16:49] schestowitz-TR2 official gemini capsule/site does not say when, only that it will be back [16:53] schestowitz-TR2 thanks [16:53] Techrights-sec thanks ● Jan 26 [17:42] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:53] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 26 [18:15] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [18:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:44] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Connection closed) [18:44] *u-amarsh04 has quit (connection closed) [18:56] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@79df6qzpq8b4q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 26 [19:09] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:11] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:56] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jan 26 [20:25] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:28] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:57] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@6ccjhrtnrpe62.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 26 [21:03] Techrights-sec had to restart httpd again [21:03] Techrights-sec 17:38 [21:03] Techrights-sec load is quite high for httpd / php-fpm [21:03] Techrights-sec one of the php-fpm processes was pushing 99% CPU utilization so I killed it [21:03] Techrights-sec manually and the whole load dropped off quickly afterward. 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