IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, October 26, 2022

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Google's spam filter is blocking spam. That is a red herring.

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The more serious problem is that Google's spam filter is blocking nearly

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all independently operated mail servers. Who is to say whether more R mail

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servers are outside of GAFAM or if more D mail servers are outsourced to GAFAM?

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It does not matter, that is the distraction and turns a political problem into

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a partisan issue. The political problem is that Google appears to be aiming

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to gain control of e-mail and force everyone who wishes to use e-mail to

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use GMail but only over Google's webmail interface. Notice that most regular

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mail clients are blocked and only in a few situations are complicated OAUTH

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clients allowed, but with no indication for how much longer they will be allowed

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Also look at their non-standard IMAPS implementation which has been impairing

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mail clients since many years ago.

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^ for background only; do not quote any of the above

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Here is /one/ case study:

https://cfenollosa.com/blog/after-self-hosting-my-email-for-twenty-three-years-i-have-thrown-in-the-towel-the-oligopoly-has-won.html

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cfenollosa.com | After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel. The oligopoly has won.

https://blog.paranoidpenguin.net/2020/02/self-hosting-email-in-2020-joe-nobody-vs-world/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.paranoidpenguin.net | Self-hosting email in 2020 – Joe Nobody vs. World | ParanoidPenguin.net

*psydruid advocates "e-mail over XMPP"

Oct 26 07:28

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I'm still reading about the gamil situation

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to ensure I properly understand what there si to be said about it before writing about it

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or even recording somethingh on the matter

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I am a bit of an outsider to itm, having never used gmail

https://alpineapp.email/alpine/alpine-info/misc/xoauth2.html

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Oct 26 08:48

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-alpineapp.email | Authenticating using XOAUTH2 in IMAP and SMTP

Oct 26 08:48

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LT has no chance of getting real work done if he is playing webmail instead

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of using a functional client

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i knew only one user os it: linux torvalds

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based on LF video, LT now uses "webmail" (his words

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which is awful

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1) it's not about productivity, it is about oversight (bossing)

Oct 26 08:54

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2) email is not inn gneeral secure and gov. workflows should not use email for almost anything, but see (1)

Oct 26 08:54

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Oversight, surveillance, and (in the case of employers) micromanagement

Oct 26 08:55

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With the advent of M$ outlook, it's not only insecure but also highly

Oct 26 08:55

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unreliable and 10% - 20% of messages for outlook/exchange go missing.

Oct 26 08:55

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haha, seeing the link about youtube revenue declining

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in spite or because of them bombarding the platfoprm with it?

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They probably overdid it and scared away "users"

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Youtube has overdone several abusive behaviors, and thus driven away droves

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of useds.

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good, even great, news

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that's what I want to see

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even with tons in subsidies and corrupted media on their side I hope they will perish and something

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decent can fill the gap

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(ot: yesterday on 3 occassions I searched for videos on "rms" or "stallman" for the day;

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did not find anything from india but some 10-20 secs videos of some girl kept showing up,

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apparently some tiktok stuff she also uploads to youtube; I did not click and one video

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said something like "getting hot in here"; I assume some 'sexualised' something... a lot of

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teens on tiktok harm themselves for whatever this chinese company rewards for)

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youtube is a dump of junk

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Searching Youtube for "RMS" brings up pages and pages of junk but nothing

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related to RMS or to Software Freedom. Youtube is proprietary anyway

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sometimes you can still find some new rms talks this way

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I will try again later

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I used indivious, not youtube

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I can't stand youtube because it's slow and full of ads

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Nothing in Odysee either

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I thought he admonished hosts not to upload to youtube but to self host

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The UI for Youtube is crap

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maybe crap for YOU

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YOU are NOT a CUSTOMER

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of course

Oct 26 09:10

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just realised irc logs for today nor posted yet

Oct 26 09:34

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biab gym

Oct 26 09:34

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re operational costs at youtube, that is aside from paying creators

Oct 26 09:44

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if youtube on its own profitable at all?

Oct 26 09:44

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the can hide that

Oct 26 09:44

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Oct 26 10:03

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As mentioned, the costs for storage at youtube only go up and the number

Oct 26 10:27

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of advertisers or other forms of income cannot grow adequately to cover

Oct 26 10:27

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all that, I would guess

Oct 26 10:27

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ack

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that was "gym thought"

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remember gitlab wanted to toss out "old" repos

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and vimeo wanted to start charging

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they know where the cost overhead is

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gitlab even specified a number, 11 million dollars iirc

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just for the "old" stuff

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yes the cost structure or whatever it is called would be similar for

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other storage-oriented sites. A problem there with GitLab is how they

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can determine what is old or abandoned. Just because a code base is not

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being changed does not mean it is not in use. It can quite simply have reached

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a comfortable level as far as maturity goes.

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So old, established projects would be very quiet regardless of how active

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the community around the software actually is. There was one really prominent

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and recognizable example there with GitLab but the name eludes me at the moment.

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gitlab is not making money

Oct 26 10:38

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it rides vc cash

Oct 26 10:38

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that was BEFORE pandemic

Oct 26 10:38

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must be worse now

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same for github

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azure has several waves of layoffs

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but the sastroturfers in thelayoffs.com go rah rah over "clown"

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I just lmao

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riding debt

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~=success

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andrew lee called himself "king of debt"

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then again, also went by "clwon prince"

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Debt, if one moves fast enough and never stops moving, is the new currency.

Oct 26 10:40

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i have reasons to doubt the reason you heard; might be an exaggeration

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well, then, good lukc to kings of debt

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I'll watch them go down, as I have several times in recent years

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people who went under super-fast

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from showoff to nothing

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over-evaluation of things partly enabled this debt heist

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I will try to think more of the google thing while soing kitchen stuff

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*doing

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more topics would be good, too

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news _seemed_ slow this morn

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ack

Oct 26 10:44

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social control media is a MOVING target

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it got worse over time

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I called out twitter every few years for "bcoming FB"

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maybe at its grain, at the start, twitter was ok-ish

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compared to some

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youtube used to be more "you"

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with compative non-religious channels

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now it would be deemed "offensive"

https://www.r-project.org/foundation/

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https://www.r-consortium.org/

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m$ and LF are in one to compete with the other; i.e. one is legitimate

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^ topic ?

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.r-project.org | R: The R Foundation

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.r-consortium.org | Home - R Consortium

https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/10/24/1757258

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a review of two or three of the key papers reminding us that sw patents

Oct 26 10:52

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harm innovation would be of use in serveral ways

Oct 26 10:52

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^ topic ?

Oct 26 10:52

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^ topic ?

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-soylentnews.org | Apple Granted Patent for Deepfakes Based on Reference Images - SoylentNews

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ok, that can be merged in with the fourth topic in the list

https://futurism.com/riaa-ai-music-generators

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that is the RIAA making similar arguments as the FOSS community has made against

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m$ GitHub's Co-pilot which steals code

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-futurism.com | Record Labels Terrified by Rise of AI Music Generators

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This is FALSE: "At this point, Copilot strikes me as a tool that replaces googling for stack overflow answers." No, stack overflow is NOT copyleft. ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/25/if-github-copilot-is-a-copyright-problem-perhaps-the-problem-is-copyright/ | Source: Techdirt

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-If GitHub Copilot Is A Copyright Problem, Perhaps The Problem Is Copyright | Techdirt

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microsoft is still trying to find a way to make some $ out of github

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other than using it for sabotage

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upselling "azure" did not work

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they put azure person in charge

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herding people into vscode won't work either if people grasp freedom

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selling subscriptions for plagiarism alienates many developers

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from what I saw, nat and his wife steph are moving to a whole different sector in "tech"

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maybe after decades of mono and other crap they seek a fresh start,

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but who knows...

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the emaiul from graveley was a shot in his own foot (in court)

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implusive and dumb

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What's up with M$ and LF trying to compete against, and thus hinder, the

Oct 26 11:11

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R Foundation?

Oct 26 11:11

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you put the link once with "x" and once in Daily Links

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I wantedd to say, mirosoft's attack on r is not new

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and the infiltration attempts

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I think it goes back to around 2016 when they bought some r-centric company

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just to dip a finger in that pie

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as a gateway to students/academia

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but all those years later I don't see much r in shithub, azure, microsoft

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they're irrelevant

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It's not new but it is ongoing

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The LF /is/ helping m$ carry out those attacks and is sponsoring events

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I think most of the R community is aware of m$ though there is a push to

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undermine development there as well by pushing a Windoze agenda sometimes

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LF has become a rogue actor all around

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that much is known, but needs to be explained repeatedly until

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it's the "water cooler" talk

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Sheela Microsoft and her wife love Microsoft and money

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they never cared about Linus

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Linus is an i**t for letting himself be controlled by wuch orgs

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for 'convenience']

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until they give him the 'stalin treatment'

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even then he could have walked; for the time being it is still his trademark

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and he had the fame though it is clear they are working to grind that away

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so that when they yank the rug from under him there will be no one to protest

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about it

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and no outrage

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on the possiblity of a new CMS for TR, searching will be important and something

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will have to be arranged usin SQLite3's FTS5 with a FastCGI front end.

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That is a little problematic since it will necessitate receiving strings

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from the public.

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Oct 26 11:21

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did you see the comments I reproduce from phoronix re LP?

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phoronix still has some readers who care about freedom

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and some idiots in the forum who pretend it is about "hate"

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CorporateLinux won't be popular, but the remaining "media" will be bought off by it

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like zdnet et al

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I'll call out the sellouts more from now on

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Yes, there are still visitors to Phoronix, but he will eventually tire them

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out and those that are still coming back won't bother. I expect that the

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number of commenters has already diminished greatly there since he sold out.

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It's got to be hurting him in his conscience but whether it is enough to

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make him repent is another matter. It would be very nice to see him try to make

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good on this and go back to the old, quality work he used to do.

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no, improbable

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it's a point of no return

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he noticed that when he covered msft shite like mono and windows he got more traffic

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never stopped to think why perhaps

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writing on these issues is ok, as long as you probably explain them, rather than reprodoce the lies

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like the OCP thing (recent example)

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tryint to be "objective" while giving a platform to liars

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Quite improbably but those that are returning there to comment are likely

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holding out such unrealistic hope of a recovery.

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There's nothing objective when promoting lies or giving equal valence to

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both lies / opinions versus facts.

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That is a pervasive problem, not just in ICT but even more so in general

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political discourse.

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I use america-style scare quotes

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michael has his knickers in a tizzy

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he cannotproperly cover FOSS

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why?

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because of the sponsors

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AMD and Intel are VERY close to Microsoft

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putting aside the openwashing and virtue-signalling by michael

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so he cannot 'bash' Microsoft without alienating the suppliers of gear etc.

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iow, the site is compromised

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when I saw the crates of 10,000-dollar EPYC I first reacherd out to him

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because I hadn't realised just how compromised he had become

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he has not posted similar phoronix since

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inviting the "Evil eye" with "blingbling"

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Intel and its fate are tied to M$; It's a crap, outdated, incurably insecure

Oct 26 11:45

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architecture tied to a crap, outdated, incurably insecure, toy operating system

Oct 26 11:45

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there will be more layoffs to come in both companies

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be sure to stock some popcorn as the price of corn might increase

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(rianne wasted money on some 'toy' popcorn machine that I told her she would barefly use

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as it's a gimmick and not easy to clean; now she feels compelled to prove me e"wrong")

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some people mistake kitchen (i.e. food) for gadgetry

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On the one hand it is good that the companies are diminishing;

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On the other hand the characters employed there will be spreading out

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and splattering across the market and infecting other sites with their (lack of)

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values.

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and skills

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Oct 26 11:49

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Oct 26 11:49

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in tech, there is a shortage of jobs, not people

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and the skills of MSFTer are barely relevant to many companies that stay standing

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vis-a-vis, the "novelty appeal" troll in IRC revealed having attempted to be hired by Micrfosoft

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(and failing)

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just something to bear in mind

Oct 26 11:51

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Like deicaza they often work for m$ for many year prior to being officially

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on the payroll.

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There may be a break-in period where they have to prove useful in attacking

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the competition in ways that they don't want directly or immediately associated

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with the company. So they farm those tasks out to prospective hires and

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let them cause trouble for some years while officially independent of m$

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like peter o'[kelly and his attacks on ODF, along with Peter Galli (eWEEK)

Oct 26 11:55

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fake 'journalist' get 'hired' as PR people for Microsoft later on

Oct 26 11:55

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Oct 26 12:02

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Microsoft profits fall 14% in 1Q 2023, Windows OEM sales most affected https://itwire.com/listed-tech/microsoft-profits-fall-14-in-1q-2023,-windows-oem-sales-most-affected.html probably a lot worse. That's what they say AFTER all the "creative" (Enron-style) accounting.

Oct 26 12:06

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-iTWire - Microsoft profits fall 14% in 1Q 2023, Windows OEM sales most affected

Oct 26 12:06

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They've been doing Enron style accounting for a long time. Recall that using

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the traditional accounting they ran a huge loss. Right now they are probably

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only still in business due to ongoing bailouts, buying and selling their own

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stock, and cooking the books.

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Oct 26 12:22

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rianne sold an item this morning and will deliver later

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the moden profit helps cover discount foods' cost

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maybe I can ask ('instruct') her to add wine to the basket

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seeing how our "enemies" crumble

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(but I'm not the kind of person who 'wastes' time celebrating)

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I'm off work till Sat

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rianne will be in yorkshire for 2.5 days

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today the CEO covers my shift (he does not even know how to)

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because I asked for holiday and we are understaffed

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one thing that can help is, check news about Micrtosoft finances

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esp. the non-fluff, i.e. what they try to hide from headlines

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like the big minuses

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after Daily Links we can use those to make articles

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it used to take a LOT of time to pick out the actual info out of their reports

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"drpizza" was used a lot for official lying about their results back then

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Oct 26 12:39

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can you read the post published 2 mins ago for andy?

Oct 26 14:19

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checking

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will look in detail in a bit, just skimmed it now; wikipedia is not such

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a reliable reference especially if one does not link to the specific

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day-version. Otherwise the page's contents can be radically changed over time

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and a few years later not represent a single thing the citation was meant to

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bolster.

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the cancer has spread (results just in), chemo and radio will be needed :/

Oct 26 14:42

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still no talk uploads of rms: https://yewtu.be/search?q=stallman&page=1&date=today&type=all&duration=none&sort=relevance

Oct 26 14:42

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | stallman - Invidious

Oct 26 14:42

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condolences

Oct 26 14:44

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recovery is still possible though

Oct 26 14:44

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trying not to think about it _too_ much

Oct 26 14:45

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in the link above you can see the tiktok crap

Oct 26 14:45

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I'll skip bytdance

Oct 26 14:45

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google needs to provide backup storage for that crap

Oct 26 14:46

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i hope it costs them enough to wound the users some more

Oct 26 14:46

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like, after 100 uploads you must pay or lose the older videos

Oct 26 14:46

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Oct 26 14:59

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I forgot Gardiner existed.

Oct 26 15:00

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Oct 26 15:00

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Gardiner Bryant shilling proprietary software :/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNl2WfS3YnU

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=DNl2WfS3YnU

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@Invidious: https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=DNl2WfS3YnU

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> invidio.xamh.de | How to INSTALL Discord on Steam in UNDER 5 MINUTES (Even if you're a NOOB) - Invidious

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-> invidious.flokinet.to | How to INSTALL Discord on Steam in UNDER 5 MINUTES (Even if you're a NOOB) - Invidious

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I've read the post by Andy in detail now and made some annotation but are the

Oct 26 15:03

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annotations of interest and if so how to communicate them?

Oct 26 15:03

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It was a good read and well worth the time.

Oct 26 15:03

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you can email him directly, I think

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he would appreciate positive responses

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I'm still thinking how to best handle the EPO/UPC issues

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either way, an archive of old articles is in its own right valuable against the lies