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schestowitz-TRgmMar 27 07:00
schestowitz-TRI'm mostly set now, main remaining task is data migration and stuff likeMar 27 07:00
schestowitz-TRthunderbirdMar 27 07:00
schestowitz-TRjriddell et al did a glorious job on kde neonMar 27 07:00
schestowitz-TRso if you like KDE, you might want to try it one dayMar 27 07:00
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Techrights-secgmMar 27 08:15
Techrights-secI'll have to take another look at KDE sometime soon.  I'm risking getting tooMar 27 08:15
Techrights-seclocked into XFCE4 with all the customizations currently.Mar 27 08:15
schestowitz-TRxfce4 is nice also, I still use it on an old laptop, but if you don't have capacity constraints no compelling reasons to use it.... it still lacks some powerful features and its native stuff (mousepad, file manager etv) leaves much to be desiredMar 27 08:16
Techrights-secI tend to mix and match the extras, like file manager and text editorMar 27 08:19
Techrights-secXFCE4 is just the DEMar 27 08:19
schestowitz-TRdid you receive rianne's email?Mar 27 08:19
schestowitz-TRit's a 10+ y-o galaxy without number, no network access, no wifiMar 27 08:20
schestowitz-TRwe use that as a camera nowMar 27 08:20
schestowitz-TRon LANMar 27 08:21
Techrights-secNope.  Which account / time?  There's nothing in the spam boxes either.Mar 27 08:21
Techrights-secMaybe it's trapped in greylisting?  What was the topic?Mar 27 08:34
schestowitz-TRmaybe wrong email address, it was just a photoMar 27 08:35
Techrights-secackMar 27 09:15
Techrights-sechttps://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kdeneonMar 27 09:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-DistroWatch.com: KDE neonMar 27 09:15
Techrights-secre-packaged UbuntuMar 27 09:15
schestowitz-TRyes, but they are no friends of Canonical and some of it devs followed me in Twitter and RTd while I was still thereMar 27 09:16
Techrights-secackMar 27 09:21
schestowitz-TRof course DST is already causing minor niggles in some clients' systems. What is DST good for? NOTHING. In TM and TR I never saw any issues related to ths. IRC logging also works fine, it may simply mean leap or same hour twice.Mar 27 09:22
schestowitz-TRthe only upside is, that give rianne and I something to put in handoversMar 27 09:34
schestowitz-TRecording paten video, very long, in a few minsMar 27 10:50
schestowitz-TRotaMar 27 10:50
schestowitz-TRI will be recording paten video, very long, in a few minsMar 27 10:50
schestowitz-TRotaMar 27 10:50
Techrights-secackMar 27 10:50
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schestowitz-TRdone recordfingMar 27 13:54
schestowitz-TRZERO mentions of EPO strike!!!!!!Mar 27 13:54
schestowitz-TRit NEVER happenedMar 27 13:54
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schestowitz-TRif you are aware of a software frameworby which to distribute video encoding, tell me/point meMar 27 14:22
schestowitz-TRas we might need to implement somethng of our ownMar 27 14:22
schestowitz-TRone option is ffmpeg file split, e.g. into 30-min shunksMar 27 14:22
schestowitz-TRthen sending these to different machinesMar 27 14:22
schestowitz-TRprocess Mar 27 14:22
schestowitz-TRthen re-assembled ad mergeMar 27 14:22
schestowitz-TRthe very cpu-intensive part is the watermarkMar 27 14:22
schestowitz-TRnot the format shiftMar 27 14:22
schestowitz-TRI've been reluctant to add anything more as it would slow things down even furtherMar 27 14:22
schestowitz-TRand it's grinding away at the file systemMar 27 14:22
Techrights-secnot aware of any such video tools but there might be some or it might be Mar 27 15:03
Techrights-secpossible to scriptMar 27 15:03
Techrights-sechowever, 30 minutes is maybe too long anywayMar 27 15:03
schestowitz-TRdid you type anything before the buffer was reset?Mar 27 15:51
schestowitz-TRI rsync over vonick to bubi right nowMar 27 15:51
schestowitz-TRbubi is an elephant's nameMar 27 15:51
schestowitz-TRthenm I will rsync againthen do some sanity check Mar 27 15:51
schestowitz-TRalso installing some software like thunderbird at the momentMar 27 15:52
Techrights-secno, just typed in the wrong windowMar 27 15:53
schestowitz-TRSpeaking of Thunderbird, have you seen mention anywhere about how to getMar 27 15:54
schestowitz-TRpast the block that GMail will put into place at the end of May?  ThereMar 27 15:54
schestowitz-TRwere some hints about allowing an "application password" but no functioningMar 27 15:54
schestowitz-TRguides or tutorials anywhere.Mar 27 15:54
Techrights-secSpeaking of Thunderbird, have you seen mention anywhere about how to getMar 27 15:58
Techrights-secpast the block that GMail will put into place at the end of May?  ThereMar 27 15:58
Techrights-secwere some hints about allowing an "application password" but no functioningMar 27 15:58
Techrights-secguides or tutorials anywhere.Mar 27 15:58
Techrights-secSylpheed, Thunderbird, Re-Alpine, Mutt, and all the others will soon be excludedMar 27 15:58
Techrights-secfrom working over GMail.  For some that is a big problem.  Even for those that don't use GMail it is a problem because Google isMar 27 15:58
Techrights-sec that much closer to gainingMar 27 15:58
Techrights-seccontrol over the protocols involved.  They already break IMAPS.  By eliminatingMar 27 15:58
Techrights-secthe non-Google clients and saddling people with their webmail, not only Mar 27 15:58
Techrights-secwill tracking capabilities go through the roof, but also their potential toMar 27 15:58
Techrights-secclose off the e-mail 'market'Mar 27 15:58
Techrights-secand turn written messaging into something proprietary which they control totallyMar 27 15:58
schestowitz-TRI know close to nothing about it, I did a view about it this yearMar 27 16:00
schestowitz-TRbut I used yahoo more than 20 years agoMar 27 16:00
schestowitz-TRthen an uncle's domainMar 27 16:00
schestowitz-TRthen my own in 2004Mar 27 16:00
schestowitz-TRI also has cs.man.ac.uk addressMar 27 16:00
schestowitz-TRbut those are a bad idea to useMar 27 16:00
schestowitz-TRalong with sp accounta dna other cademic accountsMar 27 16:00
schestowitz-TR*ispMar 27 16:00
schestowitz-TR*i did a videoMar 27 16:00
Techrights-sec:(Mar 27 16:03
Techrights-seclike riseupMar 27 16:03
schestowitz-TRgmx can shut down any dayMar 27 16:06
schestowitz-TRfor legal reasonsMar 27 16:06
schestowitz-TRfinancial reasonsMar 27 16:06
schestowitz-TRthey and gulag cAN also suspend and blacklisty peoleMar 27 16:06
schestowitz-TRturning the email system into the social control media with "@" for email rather Mar 27 16:06
schestowitz-TRthan handle names like in twitlerMar 27 16:06
schestowitz-TR"sorry, yur email account is not compatible with our value; you insist on two genders only"Mar 27 16:06
schestowitz-TR"no free email for yuou"Mar 27 16:06
schestowitz-TRi have a rather dumb questionMar 27 16:25
schestowitz-TRbut your ballparkMar 27 16:25
schestowitz-TRdoes rsync involve any crc checksMar 27 16:25
schestowitz-TRby which it can detect and announce data issue sna mitsmatches?Mar 27 16:25
schestowitz-TRnetwork has that, but we still use checksumsMar 27 16:25
schestowitz-TRI want to know if there was a corruption in daata from vonickMar 27 16:25
Techrights-secokMar 27 16:27
Techrights-secSNA?Mar 27 16:27
Techrights-secrsync has a rolling checksum as it passes through blocks of each fileMar 27 16:27
Techrights-secwith rsync the transfer will be sound but the question would instead beMar 27 16:27
Techrights-secwhether or how uch the data was already corrupted on the defective drive beforMar 27 16:27
Techrights-secthe transferMar 27 16:27
schestowitz-TRlet's just say that this issue went on for like a monthMar 27 16:29
schestowitz-TRand it always declares recovery based on what I sawMar 27 16:30
schestowitz-TRand moreover I did not see any weak binaryy crashesMar 27 16:30
schestowitz-TRor data refusing to loadMar 27 16:30
schestowitz-TRso I can hope the system always found OK blocks to work withMar 27 16:30
schestowitz-TRwhen I left ted I did at one point see a message like,Mar 27 16:30
schestowitz-TR"this is not supposed to happen! Taata will be lost"Mar 27 16:30
schestowitz-TRThat was already around the time I was offloading data off the machine, which was 11Mar 27 16:30
Techrights-secopenzfs has checksumming of individual files and, to a certian extent, errorMar 27 16:30
Techrights-seccorrection but EXT4 lacks thatMar 27 16:30
schestowitz-TRre files, i think I did OK overall. what I lost from teen years was of little valueMar 27 16:31
schestowitz-TRlike very lousy email correspondences, mostly familyMar 27 16:31
schestowitz-TRand maybe some graphics stuff of a teenMar 27 16:31
schestowitz-TRinc. winamp themeMar 27 16:31
schestowitz-TRand musicMar 27 16:31
schestowitz-TRmusic that I can recover, it's not mineMar 27 16:32
schestowitz-TRmy mail goes back 20+ yearsMar 27 16:32
schestowitz-TRhalfway not in rsyncMar 27 16:45
schestowitz-TRI will do a second passMar 27 16:45
schestowitz-TRhow can I "ork" thunderbird on one machine to ensure I do not launch it onthe old one by accident?Mar 27 16:45
schestowitz-TRI did have this issue beforeMar 27 16:45
schestowitz-TRpop3 and all means I risk breaking account consistencyMar 27 16:45
schestowitz-TRone option is to remove thunderbird completely from the old machineMar 27 16:45
schestowitz-TRanother is to disable account checksMar 27 16:45
schestowitz-TRor "offline mode"Mar 27 16:45
Techrights-secI'm not sure of how to have an exclusive lock across separate systemsMar 27 16:45
Techrights-secmaybe use one account read-only.  POP3 should not be used, only IMAPS.  ItMar 27 16:45
Techrights-seccan either leave the mail on the server or download it or bothMar 27 16:45
schestowitz-TRback to keyboardMar 27 16:55
schestowitz-TRthought:Mar 27 16:55
schestowitz-TRi have directory "blah" in ~Mar 27 16:55
schestowitz-TRI want all files in blah to be accessibleMar 27 16:55
schestowitz-TRbut NONE to be changedMar 27 16:55
schestowitz-TRwhat permissions/user/other?Mar 27 16:55
schestowitz-TRchomd 555 for ~/blah covers all case?Mar 27 16:55
Techrights-secI'd say disable it partially or completely on the old machineMar 27 16:55
Techrights-sec551 or 555 for the directories 444 or 440 for the filesMar 27 16:55
schestowitz-TRcan I now just do that at the top level rather than recursievely?Mar 27 16:56
Techrights-secIt has to be recursiveMar 27 16:59
Techrights-secfind . -type d -exec chmod o=rx,g=rx,o=x {} \; -printMar 27 16:59
Techrights-secfind . -type f -exec chmod o=r,g=r,x= {} \; -printMar 27 16:59
Techrights-secor something like thatMar 27 16:59
schestowitz-TRhow about the approch os selective write -protectionMar 27 17:11
schestowitz-TRorMar 27 17:11
schestowitz-TRchange directory namesMar 27 17:11
schestowitz-TRso that any attempts to even access these files will result in errors?Mar 27 17:11
Techrights-secthe partition could be mounted read-only but only if /var and the others areMar 27 17:11
Techrights-secelsewhereMar 27 17:11
Techrights-secYou could also make a new thunderbird profile and move/rename/delete the old oneMar 27 17:11
schestowitz-TRin the past I did mv ~./thunderbird somethingleseMar 27 17:12
schestowitz-TRI think that should be enoughMar 27 17:12
Techrights-secyesMar 27 17:12
schestowitz-TRto detect any writes to othgeher filesMar 27 17:12
schestowitz-TRI can run some CLI stuff with aname or dateMar 27 17:12
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schestowitz-TRtil programs on my system with lock files that cannot be copied acrorss:Mar 27 17:17
schestowitz-TRfirefoxMar 27 17:17
schestowitz-TRthunderbirdMar 27 17:17
schestowitz-TRgerbil (gemini)Mar 27 17:17
schestowitz-TRgnome authenticatorMar 27 17:17
schestowitz-TRlagrangeMar 27 17:18
schestowitz-TRlibrewlf  Mar 27 17:18
Techrights-secackMar 27 17:18
schestowitz-TRnetsurfMar 27 17:18
schestowitz-TRiiMar 27 17:18
schestowitz-TRok, first rsync pass donmeMar 27 17:20
schestowitz-TRmy apprich was to separate files I rarely use from the ones I actiovely needMar 27 17:20
schestowitz-TRso ended up with 89 GBMar 27 17:20
schestowitz-TRthat keeps backups of /home at under 100GBMar 27 17:20
Techrights-secackMar 27 17:21
Techrights-secremember, rsync can copy errors, tooMar 27 17:21
Techrights-secthe shell script from the other day uses hardlinks via rsync to avoid redundantMar 27 17:21
Techrights-secfiles taking up extra space Mar 27 17:21
Techrights-secSo if a file is unchanged between backups, rsync just makes a hardlink insteadMar 27 17:21
Techrights-secof an extra copy.Mar 27 17:22
schestowitz-TRis there an rsync opt to highlight which files got changed when I do the second pass?Mar 27 17:22
schestowitz-TRthe sizes do match Mar 27 17:22
schestowitz-TRdu -shMar 27 17:22
Techrights-secSo if a file is unchanged between backups, rsync just makes a hardlink insteadMar 27 17:22
Techrights-secof an extra copy.Mar 27 17:22
Techrights-secyes, --dry-runMar 27 17:22
Techrights-secaka -nMar 27 17:22
schestowitz-TRdry run took like 20 secs for the whole thingMar 27 17:24
schestowitz-TRdoes it compute checksums so fast?Mar 27 17:24
schestowitz-TRalso, it did not show which files changedMar 27 17:24
schestowitz-TRI was just reading the manpageMar 27 17:26
Techrights-secrsync -a -v --dry-run /source/ /dest/Mar 27 17:26
Techrights-sechttps://www.cs.tufts.edu/~nr/rsync.htmlMar 27 17:26
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cs.tufts.edu | - rsync.nwMar 27 17:26
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Techrights-sechttps://rsync.samba.org/how-rsync-works.html Mar 27 17:29
Techrights-sechttps://rsync.samba.org/tech_report/Mar 27 17:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-rsync.samba.org | How Rsync WorksMar 27 17:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-rsync.samba.org | The rsync algorithmMar 27 17:29
schestowitz-TRit seems like the second pass is slower than the secondMar 27 18:19
schestowitz-TRwithout knowing all the nitty-gretty detailsMar 27 18:19
schestowitz-TRI would guess that rather than flinging over the file en masseMar 27 18:19
schestowitz-TRit now goes through the bul one by one and compres for any ddiffsMar 27 18:19
schestowitz-TRwhich is probably what I want anywayMar 27 18:19
Techrights-secit just transfers diffs, errors and allMar 27 18:19
schestowitz-TRI now use atime and mtimeMar 27 18:19
schestowitz-TRone helps me see what gets CHANGEDMar 27 18:19
schestowitz-TRthe other what needs to be there and accessedMar 27 18:19
schestowitz-TRdue to some legacy stuffMar 27 18:19
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schestowitz-TRiirc there is a cpu vs bandwidth tradeoffMar 27 18:29
schestowitz-TRsometimes it can be cheaper to copy across the fileMar 27 18:29
schestowitz-TRthan to compute the diffs between 2 filesMar 27 18:29
schestowitz-TRbut to copy first, thenj compare just in case is not a bad ideaMar 27 18:29
Techrights-secalso filesystem bottleneckMar 27 18:29
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Techrights-secrsync won't detect errors, only copy the changes.  The changes can be errorsMar 27 18:54
Techrights-secthemselves.Mar 27 18:54
schestowitz-TRyes, I am perfectly awareMar 27 18:57
schestowitz-TRI just think I would sleep better at night knowing the transmission itself was OKMar 27 18:57
schestowitz-TRand if some time down the line I have issue I can at least reassure myselfMar 27 18:57
schestowitz-TRit wasn't some sloppy rsync handling 20+ years of my work Mar 27 18:57
schestowitz-TRwhen I archiuve files (like phd stuff, I don't need to access this anymore)Mar 27 18:57
schestowitz-TRI put that on 3 external disks nowMar 27 18:57
schestowitz-TRit's like a shelf or warehouseMar 27 18:57
schestowitz-TRone that does not need backing up over and over againMar 27 18:57
schestowitz-TRI have some memos typed with my PC history and specs (not maintained for over a decade but still handy)Mar 27 18:58
schestowitz-TRin 2007 I moved from baine (university) to novatech, which I'd use until 2014 when I moved to tedMar 27 18:59
schestowitz-TRted lasted until 2020 when I moved to vonickMar 27 19:00
schestowitz-TRvonick is still OK for the most part, but the disk is not in a good shapeMar 27 19:00
schestowitz-TRthe specs are good though, it's good for encoding and some other stuff, so I want to use it for a long time to come, even if I boot from external mediaMar 27 19:01
schestowitz-TRbut cutting to the chase, when moving to ted in 2014 I was perhaps a little sloppy and was apprehensive because one external drive was failing and when rsyncing the files over to ted I only had partial scrollback, which I still have someoneMar 27 19:02
schestowitz-TRso I lacked confidence that all went smoothlyMar 27 19:02
schestowitz-TRI still have some backups of my university computers, but that is quite ancient and not terrible useful anymore, the important files was passed to the next pc and the config files are invalid to newer, modern versions of the same softareMar 27 19:03
schestowitz-TRscreenshots are better ways to get nostalgic about theseMar 27 19:03
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schestowitz-TRevacuation of thunderbird seems to have been a smashing successMar 27 20:42
schestowitz-TRturns out the machine was clobbered by file indexingMar 27 20:42
schestowitz-TRnot by rsync itselfMar 27 20:42
schestowitz-TRthat even caused plasma to mcrash a few times, due to lack of resourcesMar 27 20:42
schestowitz-TRbaloo need to be OFF by defaultMar 27 20:42
schestowitz-TRNow I back up the whole pi, cloning the machine, to the USB stick  Mar 27 20:42
schestowitz-TRThis can take a few hours, as I think it does this one file at a time and thereMar 27 20:42
schestowitz-TRare close to 100k filesMar 27 20:42
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