●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 ●● ● Apr 27 [00:54] schestowitz__ > Dear Roy [00:54] schestowitz__ Hi, answers below to the best of my knowledge. It sounds as if you do intend to pursue this with me, which I am pleased to know. [00:54] schestowitz__ Mind you, EPO has blocked Techrights since around 2015 if not 2014. AFAIK, it is the ONLY site it blocks. Not for falsehoods, but the OPPOSITE. [00:54] schestowitz__ > Thanks for sending me these links, I will read the information with [00:54] schestowitz__ > great interest. [00:54] schestowitz__ > [00:54] schestowitz__ > There are certain things I can check: [00:54] schestowitz__ > [00:54] schestowitz__ > a) the jurisdictional issue [00:54] schestowitz__ > [00:54] schestowitz__ > Does the Ofcom or other regulator or independent or governmental body [00:54] schestowitz__ > (e.g. ministries, the ICO, etc.) exercise review of a corporation that [00:54] schestowitz__ > is not based in the UK (e.g. Twitter, Facebook)? [00:54] schestowitz__ Yes, this is an ongoing question which ought to impact more than just [00:54] schestowitz__ 1) myself [00:54] schestowitz__ 2) Twitter [00:54] schestowitz__ 3) US [00:54] schestowitz__ > As I mentioned in my previous email, it seems that their reply was bland [00:54] schestowitz__ > without any possibility to ask for evidence or a simple discussion for [00:54] schestowitz__ > an explanation or evidence. It could well be the case that AI may have [00:55] schestowitz__ > responded to your request. [00:55] schestowitz__ Yes, same for the suspension, as I explained in my post. There was recently another Twitter scandal. Anyone who just mentioned the word "Memphis" got banned by Twitter. You can look that up on the Web. [00:55] schestowitz__ > If you have had any other contacts with Twitter, e.g. emails or phone [00:55] schestowitz__ > calls, please let me know, as the possibility of contacting a [00:55] schestowitz__ > corporation is important. It does not have to be only about your Twitter [00:55] schestowitz__ > account suspension, but any matter that you have had with them in the past. [00:55] schestowitz__ I never communicated with them directly. Never. They shadow-banned me in the past, sometimes just for me being bullied by nazis, and there was nobody to speak to. It's a "faceless corporation" as the saying goes... [00:55] schestowitz__ I've long argued that they use terms like "hey hi" (AI) to dodge accountability and blame "machines" for mistakes. My sentiment back then was shared by many, including Assange who quoted me on it. [00:55] schestowitz__ > b) Freedom of expression [00:55] schestowitz__ > [00:55] schestowitz__ > Although the opportunity for our discussion started with the suspension [00:55] schestowitz__ > of your personal account, it seems that there have been other issues, as [00:55] schestowitz__ > you referred to a similar treatment that Benjamin received, which is [00:55] schestowitz__ > about content of Twitter posts. As I have said, I will check the links, [00:55] schestowitz__ > but I may need to get back to you to see if you have had such additional [00:55] schestowitz__ > problems in the past. [00:55] schestowitz__ It has long been a problem -- one I wrote about many times before. [00:55] schestowitz__ > Before contacting you, I have briefly checked few things on the internet [00:55] schestowitz__ > and have seen a supportive letter by the known blogger, Fosspatents, who [00:55] schestowitz__ > said that there were some people who wanted to silence your criticism. [00:55] schestowitz__ > In this respect, would it be possible to give me some (brief) [00:55] schestowitz__ > information whether you have had other problems with Twitter and/or have [00:55] schestowitz__ > been contacted by Twitter directly about the content of your posts or [00:55] schestowitz__ > whether you have heard of any complaints that others have raised with [00:55] schestowitz__ > Twitter about your tweets. I do not need a full account at this stage, [00:55] schestowitz__ > as for human rights issues also, such as free speech, the jurisdictional [00:55] schestowitz__ > issue (issue (a) above) is still relevant. [00:55] schestowitz__ Twitter never spoke to me. I did sanction me over the years, for unknown reasons. I wrote about this not only in Techrights but also in my personal blog. Many times. [00:55] schestowitz__ > If there is a public forum that checks and supervises such issues, I [00:55] schestowitz__ > will use them. But if their powers are limited, we can pursue the issue [00:55] schestowitz__ > with direct contacts with ministries and MPs for a policy change - as [00:55] schestowitz__ > currently, Ofcom is put under pressure to exercise more control over [00:55] schestowitz__ > social media. [00:55] schestowitz__ > [00:55] schestowitz__ > Best regards [00:55] schestowitz__ I definitely think we should push on with this. There are many questions at stake here and few answers were ever formally answers. It's very shadowy and ad hoc. [00:55] schestowitz__ Let me know if you want and, if so, which aspect about... [00:55] schestowitz__ Yesterday Manchester Town Hall responded in detail to my complaint, as the update on this post shows: [00:55] schestowitz__ http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/04/21/manchester-town-hall-complaint/ [00:55] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com Blog Archive Manchester Town Hall Complaint (Updated) [00:55] schestowitz__ Apologies made, lessons learned. Which is what I wanted. [00:56] schestowitz__ The Twitter issue, I think, is much bigger and broader. ● Apr 27 [01:16] *rianne__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:17] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Apr 27 [03:43] schestowitz__ Re: Digital Autonomy push by bad actors [03:43] schestowitz__ Re: Digital Autonomy push by bad actors [03:43] schestowitz__ > I know you are surely busy. [03:43] schestowitz__ Always am, and prefer it that way. [03:43] schestowitz__ > So much info lately! [03:43] schestowitz__ Yes. [03:43] schestowitz__ We need to discuss this issue aloud. You know many things I do not and we need to connect dots together before publishing substantial findings. Accuracy is important; we don't throw out there mere conjectures as it would harm credibility. [03:43] schestowitz__ > Disappointed in Phoronix but... nicely handled. [03:43] schestowitz__ I assume you mean the Azure puff piece, with "thanks" to Microsoft? Anyway, don't alienate Michael, he's NOT our enemy. I know him in person. He fights to feed 3 people now. [03:43] schestowitz__ > Anyway, I wanted to mention something of a slight concern - last year and must mention to someone. [03:43] schestowitz__ > [03:43] schestowitz__ > Molly and Karen are pushing digital autonomy. [03:43] schestowitz__ > [03:43] schestowitz__ > https://debconf20.debconf.org/talks/97-introducing-the-principles-of-digital-autonomy/ [03:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-debconf20.debconf.org | Introducing the Principles of Digital Autonomy - DebConf20 [03:43] schestowitz__ > Then, they spoke at hope. [03:43] schestowitz__ I noticed Bully de Blanc mentioning all this "autonomy" thing; seems like another attempt to redefine FS, as the "ethical source" people do. Also see: [03:43] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/02/09/freesw-license-redefined/ [03:43] schestowitz__ Deb is in this too. OSI +GNOME Foundation, just like the hate latter. [03:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation and OSI Move on to Extend Phase Against the Free Software Definition (or Against Software Freedom) | Techrights [03:43] schestowitz__ Open Source was one go at "parallel movements", seeking to replace the original by co-opting the followers. [03:43] schestowitz__ > Then, for this Gnome conference - during the presentation, they mentioned... previously presented at Hope and Debconf. [03:43] schestowitz__ > [03:43] schestowitz__ > Using the previous presentations for credibility. I worked with the AV staff at Hope. Presentation does not equal endorsement... [03:43] schestowitz__ > https://events.gnome.org/event/1/contributions/97/ [03:43] schestowitz__ Chaining past credential to make up for lack of skills and experience is a very Bully de Blanc 'thing'. [03:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-events.gnome.org | GUADEC 2020 (22-28 July 2020): Introducing Principles of Digital Autonomy GNOME Events (Indico) [03:43] schestowitz__ Then, consider which corporations fund this pair. [03:43] schestowitz__ > I don't know what these bad actors are up to... but recently Karen and Kuhn gave a keynote for an ethics and AI session. [03:43] schestowitz__ > [03:43] schestowitz__ > https://sfconservancy.org/news/2021/mar/23/karen-lailec-2021/ [03:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sfconservancy.org | Conservancy's Executive Director to Keynote AI Law & Ethics Conference - Software Freedom Conservancy [03:43] schestowitz__ "Hey hi" is a stupid buzzword, ethics are a broader concept (even Microsoft claims to stand for ethics!), so we'll see their next step. [03:43] schestowitz__ > Karen... giving a talk about ethics. [03:43] schestowitz__ I don't have anything to suggest she is not ethical. [03:44] schestowitz__ > Anyway, I have serious concerns... although I can never really figure out the end game. [03:44] schestowitz__ Let's think this through and figure out if there's enough material to do an article about. ● Apr 27 [10:58] *acer-box____ (~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c036:803d:8f:995e) has joined #boycottnovell [10:58] *acer-box____ has quit (Changing host) [10:58] *acer-box____ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [10:58] *ChanServ gives channel operator status to acer-box____ [10:58] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Apr 27 [11:00] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [11:00] *asusbox (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:f203:8cff:fe93:1f55) has joined #boycottnovell [11:00] *acer-box__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [11:01] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) ● Apr 27 [12:45] *qa5 (sid145515@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fjrlfpgnkdjtliai) has joined #boycottnovell [12:53] schestowitz__ ddos on TR [12:54] schestowitz__ if this persists, we can deploy the same tools used in TM, as the patterns sort of resemble one another and are also familiar ones, would not take long to set up overall [12:59] Techrights-sec2 438 1.09 246766 61*/category/news-roundup/page/65/ ● Apr 27 [13:37] schestowitz__ Absolutely! Do not even know where the digital autonomy push is going... or if it even will continue after all this. [13:37] schestowitz__ >> Karen... giving a talk about ethics. [13:37] schestowitz__ > I don't have anything to suggest she is not ethical. [13:37] schestowitz__ I agree, there is no valid, verified evidence - and, she is a lawyer. [13:37] schestowitz__ However, she seemed to be Free software. Maybe she was at that time. [13:37] schestowitz__ She is the SFC director, and they did have a MS sponsored event. [13:37] schestowitz__ One thing I noticed is there are people who jump on fashionable topics, and perpetrate their expertise on the matter. [13:37] schestowitz__ Some are convincing. [13:37] schestowitz__ I don't really believe Molly is the mastermind or puppetbully... [13:37] schestowitz__ Of course, I have no evidence. [13:37] schestowitz__ :) [13:37] schestowitz__ Maybe someday! ● Apr 27 [14:56] Techrights-sec2 ok all set [14:56] Techrights-sec2 rms-gnu-youtube.transcript.txt [14:56] Techrights-sec2 correction: rms-gnu-youtube-android.transcript.txt [14:56] schestowitz__ thanks, adding now....... ● Apr 27 [15:06] schestowitz__ done, maybe we can place them in a dedicated directory [15:29] Techrights-sec2 Ok [15:29] Techrights-sec2 Should it be web-accessible, or does that matter? [15:29] schestowitz__ web-accessible is better as currently I need to connect each time I want to grab the text [15:33] schestowitz__ [boycottn@techrights ~]$ ls -la rms-* | wc -l [15:33] schestowitz__ 11 [15:33] schestowitz__ [boycottn@techrights ~]$ mkdir public_html/rms-interviews [15:33] schestowitz__ [boycottn@techrights ~]$ mv rms-* public_html/rms-interviews/ [15:33] schestowitz__ mv: cannot stat rms-*: No such file or directory [15:33] schestowitz__ [boycottn@techrights ~]$ ls -la rms-* | wc -l [15:33] schestowitz__ LOL, you beat me to it!! [15:34] Techrights-sec2 Ok. /home/boycottn/public_html/transcripts [15:34] Techrights-sec2 That way the automated backup script won't need modification either. ● Apr 27 [18:33] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [18:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [18:36] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [18:37] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Apr 27 [20:42] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:42] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:43] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [20:43] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell ● Apr 27 [22:42] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:43] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) ● Apr 27 [23:07] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [23:07] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell [23:38] schestowitz__ [18:25] hi, please let me know once you're tired of nullz filling up the channel with crap [23:38] schestowitz__ catching up, was asleep.... [23:38] MinceR they've left in outrage already