●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 ●● ● Jul 27 [00:23] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:24] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:25] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [00:26] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:31] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [00:31] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:33] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 27 [01:12] Techrights-sec2 I think I have been able to restore the scripts from backup now [01:12] Techrights-sec2 As far as I can guess, with limited knowledge about Git, it appears that [01:12] Techrights-sec2 a lot of changes go buffered and then the rollback which was supposed to undo [01:12] Techrights-sec2 only a single change undid a whole lot because the three acounts had somehow [01:12] Techrights-sec2 gotten badly out of sync. [01:12] Techrights-sec2 It was close but I am in the habit of doing incremental backups on multiple [01:12] Techrights-sec2 media. I still don't trust git. I'm sure the software behind it is good but [01:12] Techrights-sec2 the UI leaves a lot to be desired and is very unclear, not as bad as PGP though [01:13] schestowitz-TR I am sooo relieved then [01:13] schestowitz-TR I went to sleep earlier and saw the rants [01:13] schestowitz-TR worried we had lost a lot [01:13] schestowitz-TR took some notes, edited locally for a bit [01:13] schestowitz-TR I stashed my sole change (irc) before pulling [01:13] schestowitz-TR and have made further improving, integrating your version and the version that was lost to push later when things 'stabilise' [01:14] Techrights-sec2 ack [01:14] Techrights-sec2 One thing to note is that image files should go into the Images directory [01:14] Techrights-sec2 because at some point they might be processed differently and it is useful [01:14] Techrights-sec2 to have them away from the text files. [01:16] schestowitz-TR btw, kaniini received the money and wants to not rely on wordpress anymopre [01:16] schestowitz-TR seems like a shared view that the bloat is pushing the limits [01:17] schestowitz-TR kaniini also wants to try gemini at some point [01:17] schestowitz-TR re image files, you've already replaced one with css [01:17] schestowitz-TR pending template change at our end [01:17] schestowitz-TR and the fanicon is tiny and you also moved it [01:17] schestowitz-TR when we migrate old pages to new some of the files in /files will need to be in the subsite too for the pages to render fully (that was a literalk shower thought [01:17] schestowitz-TR this morning) [01:17] schestowitz-TR but it's a step further away, not a priority for now [01:17] schestowitz-TR the old DB has been hgolding up OK for almost 2 week now, loss of some old nodes notwithstanding [01:17] Techrights-sec2 We can aim for setting up a similar system for TR after the TM one is in place [01:17] Techrights-sec2 if that seems more useful. WordPress really is too heavy for what it claims [01:17] Techrights-sec2 to be able to do. [01:17] Techrights-sec2 ack [01:18] schestowitz-TR to clarify, kaniini spoke of own blog, not ours [01:18] schestowitz-TR matt lee said it a decade ago [01:18] schestowitz-TR too much maintenance work even for a small and mostly inactive blog [01:18] schestowitz-TR for me, 2013 with auto-update was a turning point [01:19] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:20] schestowitz-TR WordPress installations after v3 are remotely controlled by Automattic (the automatic updates), even if you're self-hosting, not using wordpress.com [01:20] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:21] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [01:21] Techrights-sec2 ack [01:21] Techrights-sec2 even those which are ostensibly self-hosted must allow Automattic to be able [01:21] Techrights-sec2 to login to *FTP* of all things. That adds two back doors to the bloat. [01:21] Techrights-sec2 There are ways around it but that means no automated updates. [01:23] schestowitz-TR one must ask, [01:23] schestowitz-TR why auto-update in the first place? [01:23] schestowitz-TR and the answer is, bloat with many third party stuff lumped in means more critical issues [01:23] schestowitz-TR it's what doomed php-nuke [01:23] schestowitz-TR gets very hard to maintain all the "modules" [01:23] schestowitz-TR mitchell calles it something, then linked to a reference [01:23] schestowitz-TR I forgot the name for it [01:23] Techrights-sec2 yes, among other disadvantages [01:25] schestowitz-TR a) at work part opf our job is to spot 1-days for stuff like drupal and patch [01:25] schestowitz-TR b) alpine linux is linux, but since many "linux" issues are systemd they go line, "ah, ok, not our problem" [01:25] schestowitz-TR *go like [01:25] schestowitz-TR fewer "moving parts" in general [01:25] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:26] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [01:26] Techrights-sec2 yes [01:28] Techrights-sec2 speaking of alpine, what is the way to restore the normal behavior in vi [01:28] Techrights-sec2 so that one only presses escape once to have it acknowledged by the program [01:28] Techrights-sec2 ? [01:29] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:30] schestowitz-TR I was never too fond of vi, not because I did not know how to use it but because I met nano [01:30] schestowitz-TR and it improved a lot over time, so I quit using vi any time I coulkd dodge it [01:30] schestowitz-TR with vi I'd sometimes make mistakes I'd not be able to undo and then q! [01:30] schestowitz-TR then try again [01:30] schestowitz-TR esp. due to input entry modes [01:32] Techrights-sec2 found it, it would have never been obvious through the manual pages or guides [01:32] Techrights-sec2 but :inoremap seems to fix it [01:32] Techrights-sec2 I find vi very practical for configuration files and for shell scripts [01:32] Techrights-sec2 and CSS but avoid it for all else [01:37] schestowitz-TR when I was in my 20s I took a train journey up to the north east to work on servers of to clients, newcastle and a small town nearby [01:37] schestowitz-TR known only for football [01:37] schestowitz-TR and their server rack with a scren attached had only vi [01:37] schestowitz-TR entering the configs too several efforts [01:37] schestowitz-TR there is not even one consistent version or behaviour in vi [01:37] schestowitz-TR and there is no room for errors in some cases, e.g. grub, netwroking (without physical access) [01:37] schestowitz-TR that was in Sunderland [01:37] schestowitz-TR I hated having to go on trips just to fix things [01:37] schestowitz-TR it was boring and I could not do "Linux links" etc. [01:37] schestowitz-TR like a travellking slaesperson [01:38] Techrights-sec2 yes, though for the most part, core vi, andnot vim, is standard. At least [01:38] Techrights-sec2 the parts I use are, up until this Esc thing with Alpine. [01:38] Techrights-sec2 A 'kvm' setup can work with GRUB. GRUB 1 was kind of an improvement over LILO [01:38] Techrights-sec2 in some ways. GRUB 2 is a hot mess a far as I can tell. [01:43] Techrights-sec2 I'm still not sure how the three accounts got out of sync like that even [01:44] Techrights-sec2 though they were reporting ok. [01:44] Techrights-sec2 ack [01:45] schestowitz-TR took note of things to do when git is predictable again, but need to sleep soon [01:45] schestowitz-TR rianne covers me while out of home [01:45] schestowitz-TR interaction over irc and telephone [01:45] schestowitz-TR on shoft [01:45] schestowitz-TR like I said last night, I did some weird stuff on git, [01:45] schestowitz-TR inc. trying to edit a file directly on the server [01:45] schestowitz-TR as root [01:45] schestowitz-TR but not sure if that threw a spanner in the works [01:45] schestowitz-TR gn ● Jul 27 [02:14] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:14] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:16] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [02:17] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:17] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [02:17] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:20] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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How low he has sunk. https://www.zdnet.com/article/cloudify-partners-with-servicenow-for-business-cloud-automation/ [06:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Cloudify partners with ServiceNow for business cloud automation | ZDNet [06:38] *liberty_box (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:38] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:39] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 27 [07:08] Techrights-sec2 gm [07:08] Techrights-sec2 this one is a puzzle with the CSS in that the H1 i turning up after the feed [07:08] Techrights-sec2 and fails to float to the left (or vice versa) [07:08] Techrights-sec2 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/25/Programming:_KDE_coding,_Code_review_at_the_speed_of_email,_and_Rakudo_Weekly_News.shtml [07:08] Techrights-sec2 Both Chromium and Firefox show the same problem. All the other pages show up ok [07:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Programming: KDE coding, Code review at the speed of email, and Rakudo Weekly News [07:08] Techrights-sec2 ok. I was thinking it would be worth a few minutes since it makes the page [07:08] Techrights-sec2 look blank. [07:10] schestowitz-TR gm [07:11] schestowitz-TR I think that depends on the browser [07:11] schestowitz-TR it's the sort of issue techrights wiki has (opera, then chrome browsers) [07:11] schestowitz-TR and in schestowitz.com too [07:11] schestowitz-TR I sspent hours more than 10 years ago trying to solve those things [07:11] schestowitz-TR and gave up [07:11] schestowitz-TR yes, i noticed the same [07:11] schestowitz-TR I wonder if, to keep the repo "safe", I should wipe the Git-TM directory and checkout again [07:11] schestowitz-TR I think hard-reset would have the same effect [07:18] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [07:18] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:33] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:35] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [07:44] Techrights-sec2 It might be a good idea to start it over. But I am not sure of the right [07:44] Techrights-sec2 method. I'd say that starting with an empty directory might be the way to [07:44] Techrights-sec2 go and then fill it from the existing clone(s) [07:45] Techrights-sec2 If I understand correctly, hard reset wipes the upstream somehow. [07:47] schestowitz-TR from what I've read, it cancels away local changes [07:48] Techrights-sec2 Yes, but how can one tell 'local' changes from what's upstream in the real [07:48] Techrights-sec2 repository? It seems they can diverge greatly yet still report that everything [07:48] Techrights-sec2 is ok anyway [07:50] schestowitz git pull [07:50] schestowitz remote: Enumerating objects: 52, done. [07:50] schestowitz remote: Counting objects: 100% (52/52), done. [07:50] schestowitz remote: Compressing objects: 100% (45/45), done. [07:50] schestowitz remote: Total 46 (delta 19), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 0 [07:50] schestowitz Unpacking objects: 100% (46/46), done. [07:50] schestowitz From ssh://news.tuxmachines.org:/home/git/tuxmachines.org [07:50] schestowitz + fa5a386...5bac634 master -> origin/master (forced update) [07:50] schestowitz Auto-merging htdocs/irc.shtml [07:50] schestowitz CONFLICT (add/add): Merge conflict in htdocs/irc.shtml [07:50] schestowitz Auto-merging htdocs/contact.shtml [07:50] schestowitz CONFLICT (add/add): Merge conflict in htdocs/contact.shtml [07:50] schestowitz Auto-merging bin/update-and-refresh-from-db.sh [07:50] schestowitz CONFLICT (add/add): Merge conflict in bin/update-and-refresh-from-db.sh [07:50] schestowitz Auto-merging bin/tm-generate-feed.pl [07:50] schestowitz CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in bin/tm-generate-feed.pl [07:50] schestowitz Auto-merging bin/refresh-site-from-db.sh [07:50] schestowitz CONFLICT (add/add): Merge conflict in bin/refresh-site-from-db.sh [07:50] schestowitz Auto-merging bin/add-and-refresh-from-db.sh [07:50] schestowitz CONFLICT (add/add): Merge conflict in bin/add-and-refresh-from-db.sh [07:50] schestowitz Automatic merge failed; fix conflicts and then commit the result. [07:52] schestowitz-TR this is what I got last night after you had afk'ed [07:53] schestowitz-TR I merged htdocs/irc.shtml [07:53] schestowitz-TR with what I had done hours before, but did not push anything back [07:53] schestowitz-TR I cannot push until addressing these conflicts [07:53] schestowitz-TR \I looked into some of the files and they highlight conflicts [07:54] Techrights-sec2 Merges are solvable through editing. [07:54] Techrights-sec2 Checking ... [07:54] Techrights-sec2 There should be markers in the file showing the overlapping / conflicting [07:54] Techrights-sec2 segments and it is a matter of choosing one or combining them and then [07:54] Techrights-sec2 deleting the markers. [07:56] schestowitz-TR I'd rather let HEAD override everything I have locally [07:56] schestowitz-TR without us losing the commit history [07:57] Techrights-sec2 then I would just rename the directory and then clone a fresh directory [07:57] Techrights-sec2 however I am quite ignorant of the right way to manage Git ● Jul 27 [08:07] schestowitz-TR if at your end pull/push work OK ATM, I'll just hard-reset at my end and then I think we're good to go [08:07] schestowitz-TR based on some page I read earlier [08:07] schestowitz-TR ok, back on desk [08:07] schestowitz-TR will try what I found online [08:07] Techrights-sec2 just a second, making a tarball ... ok, ready, I hope [08:11] schestowitz roy@vonick:~/Git-TM/tuxmachines.org/tuxmachines.org$ git reset --hard origin/master [08:11] schestowitz HEAD is now at bfcf50e initial commit of main index [08:11] schestowitz roy@vonick:~/Git-TM/tuxmachines.org/tuxmachines.org$ git pull origin master [08:11] schestowitz From ssh://news.tuxmachines.org:/home/git/tuxmachines.org [08:11] schestowitz * branch master -> FETCH_HEAD [08:12] schestowitz Already up to date. [08:12] Techrights-sec2 hopefully it is from a reliable source, most tech posts aren't [08:14] schestowitz $ git commit irc.shtml [08:14] schestowitz [master 64b3275] merged version [08:14] schestowitz 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 15 deletions(-) [08:14] schestowitz roy@vonick:~/Git-TM/tuxmachines.org/tuxmachines.org/htdocs$ git push [08:14] schestowitz Enumerating objects: 7, done. [08:14] schestowitz Counting objects: 100% (7/7), done. [08:14] schestowitz Delta compression using up to 4 threads [08:14] schestowitz Compressing objects: 100% (4/4), done. [08:14] schestowitz Writing objects: 100% (4/4), 958 bytes | 958.00 KiB/s, done. [08:14] schestowitz Total 4 (delta 2), reused 0 (delta 0) [08:14] schestowitz error: unable to write file ./objects/bc/87ee66621be696bb20f0775b1be7c63e53978c: Permission denied [08:14] schestowitz To ssh://news.tuxmachines.org:/home/git/tuxmachines.org [08:15] schestowitz ! [remote rejected] master -> master (unable to migrate objects to permanent storage) [08:15] schestowitz error: failed to push some refs to 'ssh://git@news.tuxmachines.org:/home/git/tuxmachines.org' [08:18] Techrights-sec2 ok [08:18] Techrights-sec2 checking [08:19] schestowitz-TR it seems like we're a step closer now, [08:19] schestowitz-TR the files I have now do not have conflict [08:19] schestowitz-TR I just want to ensure I can commit a change, the pull/push again [08:19] schestowitz-TR and that all files on your side too are up to date, nothing rolled back [08:19] Techrights-sec2 try again [08:19] schestowitz git push [08:19] schestowitz Enumerating objects: 7, done. [08:19] schestowitz Counting objects: 100% (7/7), done. [08:19] schestowitz Delta compression using up to 4 threads [08:19] schestowitz Compressing objects: 100% (4/4), done. [08:19] schestowitz Writing objects: 100% (4/4), 958 bytes | 958.00 KiB/s, done. [08:20] schestowitz Total 4 (delta 2), reused 0 (delta 0) [08:20] schestowitz To ssh://news.tuxmachines.org:/home/git/tuxmachines.org [08:20] schestowitz bfcf50e..64b3275 master -> master [08:20] schestowitz-TR can you pull the change OK from your side? You can see if the irc page makes sense now [08:20] schestowitz-TR it incoroporates both versions, took me a long time to work on [08:25] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [08:26] schestowitz-TR just did a pull again [08:26] schestowitz-TR seems a lot saner on my side/end now [08:26] schestowitz-TR I like how you hid away the iframe [08:26] schestowitz-TR and I am far more pleased with this new version, the firse go ws a crude merge of your mockup placeholder and my copy-paste from the "old" site [08:26] schestowitz-TR checking the tiem stamps on files I received... some are as recently as 15 mins ago [08:26] schestowitz-TR extract, generate, update... [08:26] Techrights-sec2 checking ... yes [08:26] Techrights-sec2 thanks [08:34] Techrights-sec2 m$ seems to have begun googlebombing xrandr [08:39] schestowitz-TR I've not notice that [08:39] schestowitz-TR odd... as I'm up to date on RSS feeds [08:39] schestowitz-TR with rianne on phone atm [08:39] schestowitz-TR hence distracted somewhat [08:39] schestowitz-TR maybe michael larabel is portraying them as "helping" that too? [08:50] Techrights-sec2 m$ has a new (dis-)service called xandr, which I see is close enough [08:50] Techrights-sec2 it's like when they named their proprietary format after OpenOffice.org and [08:50] Techrights-sec2 thus hid OOo. Or when they named a version of Windows after VistA and the [08:50] Techrights-sec2 latter, disappeared off the search engine map in a matter of days despite [08:50] Techrights-sec2 being around for decade prior [08:50] schestowitz-TR I'm sure IBM will take action ;-) [08:50] schestowitz-TR like it did with OhOhXML [08:53] Techrights-sec2 IBM's reaction at the time was underwhelming even though they had profited [08:53] Techrights-sec2 billions off of FOSS already by that point [08:53] schestowitz-TR towards trhe end they made a back room deal witgh IBM [08:54] schestowitz-TR which enr15~arged marbux [08:54] schestowitz-TR and he nearly sued them [08:54] schestowitz-TR and they meanwhile started defaming the grassroots of ODF ● Jul 27 [09:00] Techrights-sec2 ack [09:00] Techrights-sec2 I recall also that Apple held off as long as they could on even partial ODF [09:00] Techrights-sec2 support; If I understand correctly, their main productivity software suite [09:00] Techrights-sec2 does not read or write ODF even partially but their notepad utility did eventually but gained the ability as the same time as they added support for M$ [09:00] Techrights-sec2 proprietary DOCX format series [09:00] schestowitz-TR apple 'productivity' [09:00] schestowitz-TR rianne just lost her wifi connection for no reason [09:00] schestowitz-TR in a home with a clueless "i" person a [09:00] schestowitz-TR and it is hard to diagnose remoately [09:00] schestowitz-TR says it suddenly rejects password after connection dropped [09:00] schestowitz-TR following a physical move from one flooor to another [09:00] schestowitz-TR not sure if ISP change something [09:00] schestowitz-TR but other devices are still connected as before [09:01] Techrights-sec2 wifi is problematic in the best of situations, in proprietary environments [09:01] Techrights-sec2 it is at least an order of magnitude harder to work with [09:04] schestowitz-TR that will certainly waste a lot more than the half an hour we both spent this morning on her connection [09:04] schestowitz-TR meanwhile I think I'll add a 10-minute poll check and git pull for TM Git, just like the TR check [09:04] schestowitz-TR it shows me up to ~4 hours of recent activity for Links and Git [09:04] schestowitz-TR like a notifier of sorts, with expension when commits are made [09:04] schestowitz-TR so it has proven worth of the time invested [09:04] schestowitz-TR it also makes you my local files are synched [09:07] Techrights-sec2 that's a rather inefficient method and loads the server, albeit a small load [09:07] Techrights-sec2 better to work with the merge method as that's what Git's about [09:08] schestowitz-TR 6 git checks per hour are a lot less than the server is, overall, dealing with [09:08] schestowitz-TR and afaik it mostly checks IDs or checkhums of branches [09:08] schestowitz-TR no trasmission across the network, like comparising two identical files over rsync [09:28] *liberty_box (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:28] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:28] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:29] *rianne_ has quit (connection closed) [09:29] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:29] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:29] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:31] schestowitz-TR links is just ls over the network 6 times an hour [09:31] schestowitz-TR I will push to git soon (TR, if that works) [09:31] schestowitz-TR marius has just responded, checking.... [09:31] schestowitz-TR multitasking with handover (colleagues) so give me time... avoiding stress from overload [09:31] schestowitz-TR still overwhelmed, but one problem doiwn: rianne is back online [09:31] Techrights-sec2 np [09:31] Techrights-sec2 busy trying to sort git here [09:31] schestowitz-TR handover at work nearly done [09:36] schestowitz-TR just to be sure, as thunderbird fucked up pgp, sending an sssh public key of marius is OK, right? [09:36] schestowitz-TR public key [09:36] schestowitz-TR not sure what privs his account has, not that I think he would vandalise [09:36] schestowitz-TR i also know it's him, we even pgp-encrypt our messages to each other [09:36] Techrights-sec2 ack [09:36] Techrights-sec2 public keys are fine, they are public info [09:36] Techrights-sec2 private keys should not go over e-mail [09:36] Techrights-sec2 checking ... [09:40] mjg59_ Sending a public key is fine as long as you have a mechanism to authenticate that the public key you receive is the one that was sent [09:43] schestowitz-TR work handover done (still a distration for me and ruins my sleep pattern, not even consistent time slots!) [09:43] schestowitz-TR OK, Git TM check works, pushing to TR git now [09:43] schestowitz-TR pushed [09:43] schestowitz-TR 4 things done [09:43] schestowitz-TR 4 is threshold for burnout, or forgetting what was to be done [09:43] Techrights-sec2 it's a normal shell account but could be tuned to be more limited [09:43] Techrights-sec2 wait TR and TM are separate repositories! [09:44] schestowitz-TR yes, I know, this one does 3 checks every three minutes, showing the time of latest commit and latest Daily Links [09:44] schestowitz-TR if new git commits have been registered, it'll shot a coloured summary of files changed and how much [09:44] schestowitz-TR I have that on a distance monitor [09:45] schestowitz-TR it goes into Git@TR because two of the three checks are TR-related [09:45] schestowitz-TR it is under desktop-utils [09:49] Techrights-sec2 :w [09:53] schestowitz-TR vi terminal (wrong window) is some face with a mouth? [09:53] schestowitz-TR I'm going to check [09:53] schestowitz-TR then get back to marius [09:53] schestowitz-TR oh, nice [09:53] schestowitz-TR a [09:53] schestowitz-TR manual [09:53] schestowitz-TR keep a copy of that for when I give rianne a cheatsheet [09:53] schestowitz-TR I can see his key add added, I'll let him know [09:53] *rianne_ has quit (connection closed) [09:53] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:53] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:53] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 27 [10:03] Techrights-sec2 ack [10:03] Techrights-sec2 there's now a copy in her home directory [10:03] Techrights-sec2 for some reason all the home directories have the sgid bit set, is that [10:03] Techrights-sec2 an Alpine thing? [10:04] schestowitz-TR Just caught up with all email, which is mentally exhausting [10:04] schestowitz-TR no email till 1am now... [10:04] schestowitz-TR I _thin_ I caught up with everything now [10:04] schestowitz-TR past midnight last night there was a discussion in irc (maion channel) regarding alpine, security, wordpress... [10:05] Techrights-sec2 ack [10:44] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [10:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:45] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 27 [11:03] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@m5c7ce8bffjme.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:05] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [11:05] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@9bet2gcyrqbk6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:11] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [11:11] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[13:10] DaemonFC These latest ones pressure you into using a GitHub account to sign in. [13:10] DaemonFC They use dark patterns to make it not immediately obvious how to use a local account. [13:11] DaemonFC Someone needs to go back and fork one of the older releases. I think Wine still uses an older release. [13:11] schestowitz-TR is that mozilla's version of it [13:11] schestowitz-TR that it uses for Firefox? [13:11] schestowitz-TR or the upstream version? [13:11] schestowitz-TR Mozilla is compromise [13:12] schestowitz-TR compromised [13:12] schestowitz-TR we know that much... [13:12] DaemonFC Seriously compromised. [13:12] DaemonFC Things started to take a serious wrong turn about 8 years ago. [13:13] DaemonFC It's been an endless shit show ever since Baker announced the DRM plug-in. [13:14] schestowitz-TR iut should become a verb [13:14] schestowitz-TR "they get bakered" [13:14] schestowitz-TR or "baked" [13:14] DaemonFC That was followed by the Yahoo, "Firefox Quantum" with shitty half-functional extensions, layoffs, "MDN premium", VPN advertising in the browser, Firefox Suggest keylogging, telemetry, an experiment to see if they'll switch to Bing. [13:14] DaemonFC Not in chronological order. [13:15] DaemonFC SeaMonkey can't go on without Firefox, though, even though Firefox development isn't good for SeaMonkey. [13:16] DaemonFC Mozilla will collapse. It's debatable what happens to Gecko at that point. [13:16] DaemonFC It could die or it could continue on as a Free Software project. [13:17] DaemonFC It wouldn't be the first time it's been written off as a failure and survived. [13:17] DaemonFC Remember all of those Microsoft trolls that were paid to attack Mozilla and boost IE? [13:18] DaemonFC Hmm, back to bed now for a while. [13:18] schestowitz-TR yes, I know what you mean [13:18] schestowitz-TR but the Web itself is too bloated [13:18] schestowitz-TR when i say the Web [13:18] schestowitz-TR I mean two things [13:18] schestowitz-TR the sites [13:18] schestowitz-TR and the browsers they expect [13:18] DaemonFC The engines. [13:18] schestowitz-TR they are not welcome to small codebases [13:18] schestowitz-TR and you cannot change all the sites, either [13:18] DaemonFC The engine has to be as complicated as Chrome now to render a site. [13:19] schestowitz-TR so gecko or safari (already years behind) [13:19] schestowitz-TR not sure how to differentiate blink from the chrom* stuff [13:19] schestowitz-TR or khtml [13:19] DaemonFC Webkit doesn't render the Web that well always. [13:19] schestowitz-TR probably needs charing [13:19] schestowitz-TR a picture of commonality and timeline [13:19] DaemonFC Sites often see the UA and serve it some stripped down version. [13:19] schestowitz-TR k html is still around [13:20] DaemonFC KHTML was not doing well last I looked. [13:20] DaemonFC It's maybe a notch up from Netsurf. [13:20] schestowitz-TR konqueror has it only as an option [13:21] schestowitz-TR i still us netsurf every day [13:21] schestowitz-TR mostly for monitoring [13:21] DaemonFC "KHTML is set to be removed in KDE Frameworks 6.[3] It has not had active development since 2016, just the necessary maintenance to work with updates to Frameworks 5.[1] " [13:21] schestowitz-TR I installed bugzilla for nhs [13:21] schestowitz-TR don't think it has any shithub [13:21] schestowitz-TR not the upstream version anyway [13:21] schestowitz-TR that's just probably BAKED in by Moz [13:21] DaemonFC https://phabricator.kde.org/T11543 [13:21] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-phabricator.kde.org | T11543 Port Konqueror away from KHTML [13:21] schestowitz-TR mantis was nice and simpler when I used it [13:21] schestowitz-TR London Town Hall [13:21] schestowitz-TR they moved to shitty JIRA [13:21] schestowitz-TR bloated and clumpsy [13:22] schestowitz-TR *clumsy [13:23] DaemonFC I like SeaMonkey better but it doesn't always work on every site. [13:23] DaemonFC For the most part it works fine. [13:24] DaemonFC The amusing part is that according to HTML5Test even SeaMonkey gets a higher score than Safari. [13:24] DaemonFC SeaMonkey Gecko is essentially a fork of the one used in Firefox. [13:25] DaemonFC They keep backporting things to modernize it while keeping internal APIs around. [13:29] Techrights-sec2 checking [13:29] Techrights-sec2 I see it. Damn that was one of the bugs I fixed yesterday but it go clobbered [13:29] Techrights-sec2 by git. I'll see what I have in the backups. Or else I will have to take a [13:29] Techrights-sec2 fresh look at it. [13:30] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:30] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[13:33] Techrights-sec2 oops, ctrl-c [13:33] Techrights-sec2 update-and-refresh-from-db.sh should do the update ok [13:33] schestowitz-TR oh, I see, that's different from tm-update-entry-sql [13:33] schestowitz-TR which is what I used to edit "howtos_2 [13:37] Techrights-sec2 the above is a wrapper for that script, tm-update-entry-sql has more options [13:37] Techrights-sec2 and can be used to delete records too [13:38] schestowitz-TR gonna have a go at it now, with daily links round... [13:42] DaemonFC I wonder how long Facebook will keep a site around for IE 11 and things like that. [13:42] DaemonFC How many people could possibly be using IE 11 by now? [13:43] DaemonFC Obviously enough they'd rather serve up a degraded site that they already have code written for than to lock them out completely, I guess. [13:44] DaemonFC The sites on the leading edge of this bloated nasty "modern Web" crap are "social media". [13:47] schestowitz-TR "modern" [13:47] schestowitz-TR non-standard [13:47] schestowitz-TR or proprietary [13:47] schestowitz-TR "open" like openXML [13:56] schestowitz-TR --- [13:56] schestowitz-TR I am submitting some nodes [13:56] schestowitz-TR and when refreshing, as part of post-registration of new pages, [13:56] schestowitz-TR it then cautions about the file you created with odd chars in the filename [13:56] schestowitz-TR which I suppose is intentional, but just wanted to mention that [13:56] Techrights-sec2 yes [13:57] Techrights-sec2 it's on purpose though I don't see the warning messages when refreshing [13:57] schestowitz-TR maybe not refreshing but the step prior to it [13:58] DaemonFC Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 11.0; WOW64) Presto/2.12 Version/12.18 [13:58] DaemonFC :) [13:59] DaemonFC That one makes Facebook return a static site that doesn't even need JavaScript. Even better. [13:59] DaemonFC I made it up. It would be "Opera 12.18 on Windows 11". ● Jul 27 [14:04] Techrights-sec2 the update? [14:04] Techrights-sec2 it does complain about some HTML structures but not the character set [14:04] schestowitz-TR I've just updated a howto to add more [14:05] schestowitz-TR and nothing in the old text got mangled [14:05] schestowitz-TR let me show you what refresh yields: [14:05] schestowitz refresh-site-from-db.sh [14:05] schestowitz Destination '/var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/2022/07/27/A_Test_33.shtml' is not writable [14:05] schestowitz 'A_Test_33' could not be written [14:05] schestowitz Destination '/var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/2022/07/27/Test_of__for_UTF8.shtml' is not writable [14:05] schestowitz 'Test_of__for_UTF8' could not be written [14:05] schestowitz-TR ytalk does not show the weird chars here at all, but they are in the CLI [14:13] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:13] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:15] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [14:26] Techrights-sec2 ok [14:26] Techrights-sec2 As far as I can tell the UTF is process ok, the weird characters might have been [14:26] Techrights-sec2 paste errors [14:26] Techrights-sec2 thanks. looking [14:26] Techrights-sec2 ok [14:26] Techrights-sec2 I've run refresh-site-from-db.sh and get no warnings or errors [14:26] Techrights-sec2 wait. it might be a permissions problem. looking. [14:26] Techrights-sec2 ok I see some problem in tm-add-entry-sql.pl [14:26] Techrights-sec2 hmm. I've tried a lot and can't duplicate any problem and it seems that [14:26] Techrights-sec2 utf8 goes in and utf8 comes out [14:26] Techrights-sec2 I'll look at the possible permission problems now [14:26] Techrights-sec2 I've been able to add files as one user and modify them as another including [14:26] Techrights-sec2 deleting them, all via the wrapper scripts [14:26] Techrights-sec2 We'll just have to watch for a while longer [14:30] schestowitz-TR I'll take a little break now, emptied some feeds [14:30] schestowitz-TR almost all went without a hitch [14:30] schestowitz-TR inc. update to add more howtos ● Jul 27 [15:03] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [15:04] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@wz5hq5gy99ure.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:16] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [15:16] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@wz5hq5gy99ure.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:17] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [15:18] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@wz5hq5gy99ure.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:21] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [15:23] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@wz5hq5gy99ure.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [15:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:50] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) ● Jul 27 [16:14] *liberty_box (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:14] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:14] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [16:41] schestowitz-TR rampant unfair practices" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/26/warren-padilla-demand-buttigieg-crack-down-airline-industrys-rampant-unfair | Source: Common Dreams [16:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Warren, Padilla Demand Buttigieg Crack Down on Airline Industry's 'Rampant Unfair Practices' [16:50] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 27 [17:01] schestowitz-TR Diversion away from the urgent need to get rid of back-doored proprietary software https://www.lawfareblog.com/open-source-security-how-digital-infrastructure-built-house-cards NSA Bruce participates with CISA https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/07/securing-open-source-software.html [17:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.lawfareblog.com | Open-Source Security: How Digital Infrastructure Is Built on a House of Cards - Lawfare [17:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Securing Open-Source Software - Schneier on Security [17:02] Techrights-sec2 it's feasible to go from simplified HTML to Gemtext but going the other way [17:02] Techrights-sec2 would enable only the same level of markup as is possible with Gemini, I'm [17:02] Techrights-sec2 thinking specifically about inline hyperlinks [17:04] schestowitz-TR yes, I was gonna say that too [17:04] schestowitz-TR with normalised html (tidy) detecting the template/pattern can make gemtext conversion more consistent and predictable [17:04] schestowitz-TR as news slowed doen in the past 10-16 years the clusters become more common [17:04] schestowitz-TR as singular pages, for one article, are only for important news [17:04] schestowitz-TR NSA Bruce will go into security leftovers witd "Ed:" next to it [17:06] schestowitz-TR 100 whales die on shore. NSA Bruce comes along, calls it a catastrophe. It smells bad. Let's find a way to make it smell less bad... [17:21] Techrights-sec2 bruce has more or less retired since around the snowden papers IIRC [17:21] Techrights-sec2 since then he is mostly quite or on occasion acts as apologist [17:22] schestowitz-TR With Football Stadiums About to Become Packed Again, Highest Daily COVID-19 Death Toll in More Than 3 Months https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/27/worst-summer/ [17:22] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive With Football Stadiums About to Become Packed Again, Highest Daily COVID-19 Death Toll in More Than 3 Months [17:26] schestowitz I've just added an update to http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/26/OpenMandriva_Lx_ROME_Rolling_Technical_Preview.shtml [17:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | OpenMandriva Lx ROME (Rolling) Technical Preview [17:27] schestowitz it all went well, chars all in tact [17:27] schestowitz I had to run refresh manually after the update [17:29] Techrights-sec2 so the wrapper script failed somehow? [17:29] Techrights-sec2 pl is the bare bones, sh takes care of all the updates [17:29] schestowitz-TR maybe I just use the wrong (old) command [17:29] schestowitz-TR tm-update-entry [17:29] schestowitz-TR next time I will use the other one [17:29] schestowitz-TR https://truthout.org/articles/new-york-post-announces-covid-is-over-its-still-running-rampant/ [17:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-truthout.org | New York Post Announces COVID Is Over. It's Still Running Rampant. [17:38] schestowitz-TR darwin award=culling the ignorant [17:38] schestowitz-TR darwin=survival of the fitting [17:38] schestowitz-TR covid=death of the old [17:38] schestowitz-TR covid 19 policy=death of the old, owing to the ignorant [17:38] schestowitz-TR brexitnaro=the ignorant and the lar in pos of power [17:38] schestowitz-TR 200k brits dead, but repeat afetr me [17:38] schestowitz-TR we have freedom, freedom day for boris [17:38] schestowitz-TR and 1100+ died this past week alone [17:38] schestowitz-TR july/summer [17:38] schestowitz-TR when we went back to the gym in july 2020 we had ~500 new cases a day, uk-wide [17:38] schestowitz-TR 5-10 deaths [17:38] schestowitz-TR and everyone stil wore a mask [17:38] schestowitz-TR this isn't "Freedom". This is bullshit. [17:38] schestowitz-TR /sfitting/fittest/ [17:38] schestowitz-TR after 21 years, soon we have 9/11 memorials [17:38] schestowitz-TR nothing annual regarding spanish flu, or any of the big killers [17:38] schestowitz-TR not much political gain [17:38] schestowitz-TR like pentagon graft [17:38] schestowitz-TR spanish flu death toll similar to ww2, and it killed the young too [17:39] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:39] Techrights-sec2 or those that have to cross paths with the ignorant :/ [17:39] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:41] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:41] schestowitz-TR I did not word it to suggest the stupid die [17:41] schestowitz-TR the stupid around them kill then [17:41] schestowitz-TR and concernd parrents who raisded dumb kids are more vulnerable to carriers/vessels [17:41] schestowitz-TR for now, the cashiers still stand behind polastic screens [17:41] schestowitz-TR but droplets will keep infecting millions of Brits PER WEEK [17:41] schestowitz-TR until everyone has had a chance to get ill several times, just like most people [17:41] schestowitz-TR got those 35 USD doses several times [17:42] schestowitz-TR "Research published Tuesday warns that "forever chemicals" used in everyday products could lead to tens of billions of dollars in medical costs" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/26/study-ties-forever-chemicals-exposure-billions-us-health-costs | Source: Common Dreams [17:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Study Ties 'Forever Chemicals' Exposure to Billions in US Health Costs [17:42] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:42] Techrights-sec2 yes they infect themselve but they also spread it around their physical [17:42] Techrights-sec2 area and they don't just keep to themselves [17:43] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:48] schestowitz-TR capitalism and collective responsibility work in the context of collective punishment, not responsibility [17:48] schestowitz-TR and risks are outsourced [17:48] schestowitz-TR we tried in march 2020 [17:48] schestowitz-TR gym reopened [17:48] schestowitz-TR then again lockdowns in 2021 so we came back to the gym [17:48] schestowitz-TR then came freedom day [17:48] schestowitz-TR we quit the gym [17:48] schestowitz-TR they sent us request to fill out a survey yesterday [17:48] schestowitz-TR I reckon they lost a ton of members [17:48] schestowitz-TR they had already lost 40%, they told me [17:48] schestowitz-TR they brought in total idiots with FB marketing campaign (young people who don't keep distance and shout) [17:48] schestowitz-TR and the original member, older quiet people, left [17:48] schestowitz-TR one trend correlates with the other [17:48] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:48] schestowitz-TR we still have two massage vouchers, but reluctant to even use them [17:48] schestowitz-TR I reckon by now they have the demography of Malaga in summertime [17:48] schestowitz-TR I had gone to that gym since 2000 [17:48] schestowitz-TR it's where we had that tuixmachines 15-year party [17:48] schestowitz-TR that was months before covid-19 broke out in wuhan [17:50] schestowitz-TR re TM, I am still in the process of figuring how descriptions and how to repurpose them, e.g. key sentence for singles [17:50] schestowitz-TR and for clusters a short overview, then copied across to headings or editorial comments in TR [17:50] schestowitz-TR sometimes it's hard to find a description as umbrella for all links [17:52] Techrights-sec2 yes [17:52] Techrights-sec2 "a round up of today's links" ... [17:53] schestowitz-TR I am thinking more specific, see what I added 30 secs ago [17:53] schestowitz-TR for singles it's easier, either editorial remark of key sentence [17:53] schestowitz-TR making an editorial remark that covers 5 links "all in one" is harder ● Jul 27 [18:00] schestowitz-TR looking at quiterss, you've neatly resolved the problem associated with long headlines and narrow screen [18:00] schestowitz-TR and below left-hand pane it flows into the empty space below if the end of it is reached [18:00] schestowitz-TR so it maximiases its use of screen space [18:00] schestowitz-TR what will always matter most is the content [18:00] schestowitz-TR but this layout and performance (speed) do it more justice [18:00] schestowitz-TR LinuxToday got very slow and bloated some years ago [18:00] schestowitz-TR very awful CMS they made/picked [18:00] schestowitz-TR can take 5+ secs to load a page with justone para and one link [18:00] schestowitz-TR they must have taken those hipsters as devs who think I want to download their fonts to get some link [18:00] schestowitz-TR I worked with such webdevs 7 or so years ago and discovered sending proprietary fonts to visitorss [18:00] schestowitz-TR had become a "thing" [18:00] schestowitz-TR and immediately advised against that [18:06] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:06] Techrights-sec2 "webdevs" [18:07] schestowitz-TR they have artsy skills [18:07] schestowitz-TR usually also arts degrees [18:07] schestowitz-TR and some of them use expensive prporietary tools, from Adove or whatnot [18:07] schestowitz-TR so it's not entirely their fault [18:07] schestowitz-TR it's the fault also of developers who made these tools [18:07] schestowitz-TR flash, flex, electron, vue.js etc. [18:27] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:34] britney react.gs [18:34] britney react.js [18:35] schestowitz-TR yeah, that too [18:35] schestowitz-TR Phoronix sponsored by AMD gifts. AMD is a foremost proponent of Microsoft lockdown at chip level. So I view Phoronix's concerns as an expression of guilt, partly. He also took some 'freebies' from Microsoft. [18:35] schestowitz-TR ICBM has long loved TPM/Palladium (just as it loved war, it's a prime source of income). So don't expect Red Hat to put up any meaningful resistance to what Microsoft does to de facto ban Linux. Heck, Red Hat was the employer of the "engineer" (geneticist) who put the Trojan horse there in the first place, conflating control by Microsoft with "security". [18:35] schestowitz-TR Phoronix sponsored by AMD gifts. AMD is a foremost proponent of Microsoft lockdown at chip level. So I view Phoronix's concerns as an expression of guilt, partly. He also took some 'freebies' from Microsoft. [18:35] schestowitz-TR ICBM has long loved TPM/Palladium (just as it loved war, it's a prime source of income). So don't expect Red Hat to put up any meaningful resistance to what Microsoft does to de facto ban Linux. Heck, Red Hat was the employer of the "engineer" (geneticist) who put the Trojan horse there in the first place, conflating control by Microsoft with "security". [18:35] schestowitz-TR oops [18:36] schestowitz-TR double past [18:36] britney I heard that it would be a good idea to learn javascript or python to have a scripting language under your belt [18:36] schestowitz-TR any links or ideas o thoughts would help improve a post about this (later) [18:36] schestowitz-TR still studying a bit [18:36] schestowitz-TR but it's a case that shows we were right all along [18:36] schestowitz-TR britney: depends what for [18:38] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:38] Techrights-sec2 https://www.theregister.com/2002/06/25/ms_to_eradicate_gpl_hence/ [18:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | MS to eradicate GPL, hence Linux The Register [18:38] Techrights-sec2 https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq-1.0.html [18:38] Techrights-sec2 https://www.technologyreview.com/2002/10/25/234673/the-palladium-paradox/ [18:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cl.cam.ac.uk | Trusted Computing FAQ TCPA / Palladium / NGCSB / TCG [18:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.technologyreview.com | The Palladium Paradox | MIT Technology Review [18:40] schestowitz-TR added as post refs to draft, thanks [18:40] schestowitz-TR for the latest I just have two URLs, one of which a WSL apologist [18:40] schestowitz-TR who thinks microsoft entering mesa is "good" [18:40] schestowitz-TR (it's for WSL) [18:40] Techrights-sec2 np [18:43] Techrights-sec2 np [18:43] Techrights-sec2 and azure is declining still [18:43] Techrights-sec2 I presume the firings are 1) still going on and 2) still being covered up [18:44] Techrights-sec2 permatemps [18:44] schestowitz-TR you have to have full-time employees for that to count as layoffs and not "end of contract" ^_^ [18:44] schestowitz-TR I was told a month ago about hiring freeze in the company [18:44] schestowitz-TR now results are "lower than expected" (blame the currency) in spite of massive bailouts (graft) [18:50] schestowitz-TR spotted bug [18:50] schestowitz-TR headlines with "?" in them [18:50] schestowitz-TR the browser can sometimes cope [18:50] schestowitz-TR %3F [18:50] schestowitz-TR but it throws some off the scene [18:50] schestowitz-TR *scent [18:50] schestowitz-TR so impotant to cull "?" in titles [18:50] schestowitz-TR for the URL part [18:50] schestowitz-TR example [18:50] schestowitz-TR latest story in new TM [18:54] Techrights-sec2 the %3F is necessart because questionmarks are not allowed in URLs [18:55] schestowitz-TR yes, but the URL contains a questioin mark [18:55] schestowitz-TR some browsers overcome it by rewriting the URL [18:55] schestowitz-TR curl/wget do not [18:55] Techrights-sec2 it can probably be handled better, checking [18:55] schestowitz-TR that's how I immediately noticed it [18:55] schestowitz-TR they got 404 [18:56] schestowitz-TR I reckon many CMS projects, wordpress included, wrote many regex stuff to convert a title into a Web-valid slug [18:56] schestowitz-TR in multiple lanaguages [18:56] schestowitz-TR but it seems like finding an existing implementation would take as long as writing one [18:57] schestowitz-TR unless you resort to plagiarism with ChokePilot [18:57] schestowitz-TR and call it "HEY HI" [18:57] Techrights-sec2 the XML (RSS) feed needs to have ? escaped ● Jul 27 [19:12] Techrights-sec2 can you try now? [19:12] schestowitz-TR I am going to try a headline with "?" at the end [19:13] schestowitz-TR quiterss givs 404 for that story [19:22] schestowitz-TR yes, this time the URL showed up with %3F [19:22] schestowitz-TR and either you amended the last one or an update system-wide rewrote the url for that one [19:22] schestowitz-TR so that's two which are corrected nows [19:22] schestowitz-TR *now [19:22] schestowitz-TR one rtroactively [19:28] Techrights-sec2 yes I corrected it, that was one of the changes which regressed in yesterday's [19:28] Techrights-sec2 loss of files [19:28] Techrights-sec2 also Git still doesn't like to update in to the DocumentRoot, but that's [19:28] Techrights-sec2 how Git is. It's not designed or intended for read-only archives [19:28] Techrights-sec2 The database holds the correct URL internally and then any time the [19:28] Techrights-sec2 feeds or lists are regenerated, the newest parsing and templates are used [19:31] schestowitz-TR losing work can be exceptionally demoralising [19:31] schestowitz-TR I hope you dfid not lose mouch or that you manged to recover the lion's share from backup or memory [19:31] schestowitz-TR I did a full system backup over the weekend [19:31] schestowitz-TR I feel a lot more relaxed and it also frees up disk space [19:31] schestowitz-TR to moist people computers are stressful [19:31] schestowitz-TR no zen [19:31] schestowitz-TR rianne was very stressed this morning over the wifi thing [19:31] schestowitz-TR and went to the kitchen to try to forget about it [19:31] schestowitz-TR it just "magically" worked later [19:31] schestowitz-TR we use #tuxmachines IRC to coordinate a bit [19:31] schestowitz-TR in the open [19:37] Techrights-sec2 most of it was recovered and in principle none was really lost its just that [19:37] Techrights-sec2 it was completely unclear how it gets so out of sync. [19:37] Techrights-sec2 For example a few minutes ago it would not pull the latest and then after a [19:37] Techrights-sec2 bit it did [19:37] Techrights-sec2 proprietary wifi is a mess; yes but some of it is standardized proprietary [19:37] Techrights-sec2 too many wifi boxes are stolen linux [19:38] schestowitz-TR at some level, (spec) wifi is propriuetary [19:38] schestowitz-TR I think old and current/new/future are NDAd and there are patenbts [19:38] schestowitz-TR same for bluetooth and xG [19:38] schestowitz-TR it's all legal barbwires [19:38] schestowitz-TR [19:38] schestowitz-TR "pay to play" or stockpile patents for the "pool" [19:38] Techrights-sec2 that too [19:38] Techrights-sec2 again, I'll repeat for emphasis, too many wifi boxes are stolen linux [19:38] Techrights-sec2 LF is the reason for that [19:40] schestowitz-TR or rather, LF exists to help those who are doing this and keep Torvalds under control [19:40] schestowitz-TR maybe not originally, but it got infiltrated more and more [19:40] schestowitz-TR soon they'll life seat price and limits on numbers [19:40] schestowitz-TR and Mcirosoft (or "loves Linux" fame) can buy half a dozen seats [19:40] schestowitz-TR and then use that money to sponsor SJVN articles about how Microsoft BECAME Linux ( [19:40] schestowitz-TR just ignore all that "can't boot Linux" faff) [19:47] schestowitz-TR --- [19:47] schestowitz-TR rianne has just posted 4 links from yorkshire [19:47] schestowitz-TR when she gets back I'll show her how to post and edit in the new site [19:47] schestowitz-TR for a period of time we can keep both updated in tandem and give people a chance to give feedback [19:47] schestowitz-TR before locking down old, reverting back to 27/6 snapshot [19:47] schestowitz-TR and passing across the "missing" nodes [19:47] schestowitz-TR going to check log sizes in "new" [19:47] schestowitz-TR sooner or later some bots and spiders will start "humping" it [19:47] schestowitz-TR all logs combined 30k [19:47] schestowitz-TR 12k for access logs [19:47] schestowitz-TR lines that is [19:47] schestowitz-TR let's check ssh access logs [19:47] schestowitz-TR if alpine makes these easy to find [19:47] Techrights-sec2 it's already under various probes and attacks we probably ought to have [19:47] Techrights-sec2 SSHGuard running on it for some of the clumsier attackers but many attacks [19:47] Techrights-sec2 seem to be highly distributed and thus immune to those kinds of mitigations [19:48] schestowitz-TR it is in messages, flagged sshd or auth.info [19:50] schestowitz tuxmachines-new:/var/log# tail messages.0 | grep auth.info | wc -l [19:50] schestowitz 7 [19:50] schestowitz tuxmachines-new:/var/log# tail messages | grep auth.info | wc -l [19:50] schestowitz 9 [19:50] schestowitz tuxmachines-new:/var/log# [19:52] schestowitz-TR we should contact BillBC, search for some of these IPs being in Russia and China [19:52] schestowitz-TR and say we're under attack from BRICS [19:52] schestowitz-TR an d by attack we mean "breeach" :-) [19:52] schestowitz-TR Those f*inng RUSHANS [19:53] Techrights-sec2 yes it does [19:53] Techrights-sec2 awk '$6~/^sshd/' /var/log/messages [19:53] Techrights-sec2 the best thing to quiet the logs is to turn off password access [19:53] Techrights-sec2 $ awk '$6~/^sshd/' /var/log/messages | wc -l [19:53] Techrights-sec2 887 [19:53] Techrights-sec2 :D [19:53] Techrights-sec2 I bet most of those IP address scan back to Windoze boxes [19:53] Techrights-sec2 or else to compromised hosting services like Google or AWS [19:54] schestowitz-TR some of them are compromised by the "CLIENTS" trhemselves [19:54] schestowitz-TR like idiots who run pcore on full plast [19:54] schestowitz-TR *blast [19:54] schestowitz-TR they did this to us [19:54] schestowitz-TR I complained to AWS [19:54] schestowitz-TR took them like a whole day to responmd [19:54] schestowitz-TR these sorts of attacks affected some clients at work too [19:54] schestowitz-TR to the point of just banning anything with pcore [19:55] Techrights-sec2 that quickly? [19:55] schestowitz-TR let me find the post [19:55] schestowitz-TR (last night our capsule got over 55k page requests... took me a while to see and say, "ah, that's why my connection is a snail today") [19:56] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/06/28/aws-ddos/ [19:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Amazon AWS Used for DDOS Attacks Against My Web Sites, Amazon Takes 14 Hours to Reply But Not Take Action (Updatedx5) [19:56] schestowitz remember clown means many IPs, legally ● Jul 27 [20:01] schestowitz-TR in the above, today 90% of the log entries are ssh [20:01] schestowitz-TR days ago it was 70% [20:01] schestowitz-TR based on the tail alone [20:01] schestowitz-TR looking at ddos watcher, gemini will be at over 30k today [20:01] schestowitz-TR I'm going to record soon or just write an aritlce [20:01] schestowitz-TR might wnat to shave before recording [20:01] schestowitz-TR *ant [20:01] schestowitz-TR *Want [20:01] schestowitz-TR otherwise I'll be all frown like Microbell [20:01] Techrights-sec2 ack [20:35] schestowitz-TR A Year Ago Brexitnaro/Borisnaro Declared Freedom Day. Now, Almost 50,000 Additional Deaths Later, ~1100 Die in a Week in England Alone (in Summer). https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/27/a-year-ago-brexitnaroborisnaro-declared-freedom-day-now-almost-50000-additional-deaths-later-1100-die-in-a-week-in-england-alone-in-summer/ [20:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive A Year Ago Brexitnaro/Borisnaro Declared Freedom Day. Now, Almost 50,000 Additional Deaths Later, ~1100 Die in a Week in England Alone (in Summer). [20:36] schestowitz-TR by the way, pandemic has a certain definition [20:36] schestowitz-TR that def is still applicable [20:36] schestowitz-TR endemic is if it's limited to one region or country, not global [20:47] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@yevedmyetc9v6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:47] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [20:47] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@7v95229iaxugs.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 27 [22:02] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) ● Jul 27 [23:22] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [23:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell