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[06:29] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [06:29] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [06:29] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 ● Jul 28 [07:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:33] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:34] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [07:39] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:39] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [07:40] *liberty_box (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 28 [08:05] schestowitz-TR "Cybersecurity is a hot field and while we've made leaps and bounds in the field, there's also been a growing number of clickbait and sensationalist headlines making the rounds" gemini://remyabel.srht.site/posts/2022-07-28.gmi [08:07] Techrights-sec2 It depends entirely on the working definition "cybersecurity". In 99% of [08:07] Techrights-sec2 occurrences it turns out to be obfuscated bullshit cons to get guaranteed sales [08:07] Techrights-sec2 Yes it's a form of social engineering for sales purposes. [08:07] schestowitz-TR social engineering or tricking people [08:07] schestowitz-TR or just back doors, likely there by intention [08:07] schestowitz-TR soon they will do this with cars [08:07] schestowitz-TR "your car no longer receives UPDATES. You might DIE." [08:08] Techrights-sec2 Already being done AFAIK, the software is there. It's only a matter of [08:08] Techrights-sec2 hardware generations before they start to abuse it in ways that John Deere [08:08] Techrights-sec2 hasn't even dreamed of yet [08:08] Techrights-sec2 No, it'll be you car no longer receives updates, it won't start. Perhaps [08:08] Techrights-sec2 there might be a high-priced extended life contract available, on a monthly [08:08] Techrights-sec2 or quartly basis, gouging on the prices. [08:09] schestowitz-TR Ubuntu Extended Long Term Support [08:09] Techrights-sec2 But it looks rather clear that they are going to a both a very short service [08:09] Techrights-sec2 life cycle (maybe 5 years) on top of leasing. The latter allows enforcement [08:09] Techrights-sec2 of the former. [08:12] schestowitz-TR 11 years ago I bought a car with my mom [08:12] schestowitz-TR almost 12 years [08:12] schestowitz-TR the prices were higher than what I was used to (Toyota) [08:12] schestowitz-TR Now, if one looks, it's insane price [08:12] schestowitz-TR one year's salary savings might not be enough [08:12] schestowitz-TR even for a "decent" occupation [08:12] schestowitz-TR so you basically go in and out of work for years just to pay for the tincan that gets you to and from work [08:17] schestowitz-TR teatime [08:17] schestowitz-TR I finish work in an hour [08:17] schestowitz-TR one more night, than some days off [08:17] schestowitz-TR i am very happy epo examiners are carrying ON with industrial action [08:17] schestowitz-TR patent grants will sink [08:31] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:31] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:32] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [08:35] Techrights-sec2 ack [08:36] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:36] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [08:37] *liberty_box (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:40] Techrights-sec2 looking, but have no index of my own atm [08:40] Techrights-sec2 along the way: (2019) https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot [08:40] Techrights-sec2 https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/microsoft-accused-of-locking-out-linux-in-eu-antitrust-complaint/ [08:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fsf.org | Will your computer's "Secure Boot" turn out to be "Restricted Boot"? Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [08:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | Microsoft accused of locking out Linux in EU antitrust complaint | Ars Technica [08:41] schestowitz-TR can you find the url of the uef--related antitrust (eu) [08:41] schestowitz-TR for the: [08:41] schestowitz-TR draft [08:41] schestowitz-TR ms peter? [08:41] schestowitz-TR you previously gave me the ec link [08:41] schestowitz-TR maybe arse technically pedo links to that [08:41] Techrights-sec2 https://www.reuters.com/article/microsoft-eu-idINDEE92P08E20130326 [08:41] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-EXCLUSIVE - Linux users file EU complaint against Microsoft | Reuters [08:42] schestowitz-TR ok, that's better [08:44] schestowitz-TR you sent it to me around the tiem lenovo escalated [08:44] Techrights-sec2 still looking [08:44] Techrights-sec2 The EP and EC sites aren't really indexed [08:44] schestowitz-TR mjg59_: maybe you can help? [08:44] schestowitz-TR you are the one who helped Microsoft [08:45] schestowitz-TR to squash the complaints [08:46] Techrights-sec2 https://learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org/1-why-switch-to-linux/1-4-uefi-the-microsoft-kill-switch [08:46] Techrights-sec2 no idea, but still looking [08:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org | 1.4 UEFI... The Microsoft Kill Switch [08:46] schestowitz-TR maybe grep Links [08:46] schestowitz-TR for ec site [08:46] schestowitz-TR it was about 2 weeks ago in otherlinks [08:47] Techrights-sec2 https://dilbert.com/strip/1999-03-29 [08:47] Techrights-sec2 checking the files here then [08:47] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1999-03-29 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [08:48] schestowitz-TR I've added those 4 other links in the meantime [08:48] schestowitz-TR they're good referenes for those looking to file a similar complaint now [08:53] Techrights-sec2 https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2013-000162-ASW_EN.html [08:53] Techrights-sec2 ^ that one? [08:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.europarl.europa.eu | Parliamentary question | Answer to Question No E-000162/13 | E-000162/2013(ASW) | European Parliament [08:56] Techrights-sec2 checking [08:56] Techrights-sec2 I want to make it easier for people to REUSE the previous complaint [08:56] Techrights-sec2 which I assume chose words carefully wrt the law [08:56] Techrights-sec2 so that it can be resubmitted more or less [08:56] schestowitz-TR checking [08:56] schestowitz-TR I want to make it easier for people to REUSE the previous complaint [08:56] schestowitz-TR which I assume chose words carefully wrt the law [08:56] schestowitz-TR so that it can be resubmitted more or less [08:56] Techrights-sec2 yes refreshing awareness of the official documents is always good [08:56] Techrights-sec2 https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/12/matthew-garrett-makes-noise-about-lenovo-attacking-gnu-linux-six-years-after-accusing-me-of-spewing-nonsense-for-taking-action-agai [08:56] Techrights-sec2 nst-lenovo/ [08:56] Techrights-sec2 The europarl link is only to a statement though and not any official policy [08:56] Techrights-sec2 [ [08:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-baronhk.wordpress.com | Matthew Garrett makes noise about Lenovo attacking GNU/Linux six years after accusing me of spewing nonsense for taking action against Lenovo. BaronHK's Rants [08:58] schestowitz-TR yes, I've noticed. Maybe that's the one I recalled from other links. [08:58] schestowitz-TR it's better than nothing. [08:58] schestowitz-TR I've just hard-linked it in the summary. [08:58] schestowitz-TR fwiw. [08:58] schestowitz-TR LF will do something... :-) like selling SBOM snake-oil [08:58] schestowitz-TR remembver [08:58] schestowitz-TR "they they fight you" [08:58] schestowitz-TR we are there now [08:58] schestowitz-TR they bleed market share [08:58] schestowitz-TR but we need to fight back [08:59] schestowitz-TR not just say " [08:59] schestowitz-TR "oh, they fight us" [08:59] Techrights-sec2 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX%3AC2013%2F346E%2F01 [08:59] Techrights-sec2 Q&A there but not more, yet ● Jul 28 [09:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-eur-lex.europa.eu | CE2013346EN.01000101.xml [09:00] schestowitz-TR maybe we should touch the topic, briedly, every day? [09:00] schestowitz-TR (briefly [09:00] schestowitz-TR we ought to siolate the MSFT apologists, who are hareming us [09:00] schestowitz-TR and ought not be listened to [09:01] Techrights-sec2 perhaps, but the EU sites are as filled with information as they are innavigable [09:01] Techrights-sec2 probably on purpose [09:01] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:01] *rianne_ has quit (connection closed) [09:01] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:01] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:02] Techrights-sec2 UEFI comes up again here: [09:02] Techrights-sec2 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:C:2014:011E:FULL&from=EN [09:02] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-eur-lex.europa.eu | Official Journal C 11E/2014 [09:03] schestowitz-TR I will add those two links [09:03] schestowitz-TR any little effort to organising the EU/EC web-mess would help visibility/discoverability [09:03] schestowitz-TR we have an extensive wiki on this subject [09:03] schestowitz-TR with many examples of uefi making security yet worse [09:07] Techrights-sec2 https://www.welivesecurity.com/2018/09/27/lojax-first-uefi-rootkit-found-wild-courtesy-sednit-group/ [09:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-LoJax: First UEFI rootkit found in the wild, courtesy of the Sednit group | WeLiveSecurity [09:08] Techrights-sec2 https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2013-000162_EN.html [09:08] Techrights-sec2 ^ that's probably a factor which contributed to the cancelling of amelia [09:08] Techrights-sec2 https://dilbert.com/strip/1999-03-30 [09:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.europarl.europa.eu | Parliamentary question | UEFI Secure Boot and European Union standardisation | E-000162/2013 | European Parliament [09:08] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1999-03-30 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [09:09] schestowitz-TR Iv'e just mentioned her by name [09:09] schestowitz-TR adding linking now [09:11] schestowitz-TR adding link to wiki/aard [09:12] Techrights-sec2 https://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/documents/downloadPublic?documentIds\=080166e5cde66f8b&appId=PPGMS [09:12] Techrights-sec2 UEFI is now considered a malware vector, officially [09:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 400 @ https://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/documents/downloadPublic?documentIds\=080166e5cde66f8b&appId=PPGMS ) [09:12] Techrights-sec2 TR warned against the complexity years ago [09:12] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:12] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:14] schestowitz-TR lots in the wiki about it [09:14] schestowitz-TR I cannot recall it [09:14] schestowitz-TR I have recording of a long conference call I had with intekl [09:14] schestowitz-TR never published it [09:14] schestowitz-TR just wrote ABOUT it (summary) [09:14] schestowitz-TR call over landline, so low quality recording [09:14] Techrights-sec2 https://dilbert.com/strip/1997-01-15 [09:14] Techrights-sec2 https://dilbert.com/strip/1997-01-14 [09:14] schestowitz-TR and iirc audacity crashed, so I have many small files with bits of the call [09:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1997-01-15 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [09:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1997-01-14 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [09:14] schestowitz-TR not a large single file [09:17] Techrights-sec2 Its the author of the learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org link above available? [09:17] Techrights-sec2 ^Is [09:17] Techrights-sec2 It's two authors. David Spring, M.Ed. and Elizabeth Hanson, M. Ed. [09:17] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:17] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:18] schestowitz-TR maybe try to contact them [09:18] schestowitz-TR I made a mistake [09:18] schestowitz-TR I'm trying to do all this while stil handing over at work [09:18] schestowitz-TR 20 mins late already [09:18] schestowitz-TR hang on... [09:18] schestowitz-TR adding the links [09:19] Techrights-sec2 ack [09:19] Techrights-sec2 https://learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org/news/false-accusations-against-linux-security-continue [09:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org | False Accusations Against Linux Security Continue [09:20] schestowitz-TR I think I spoke to him over email before [09:20] schestowitz-TR has he wanted to be freatured in TM [09:20] schestowitz-TR hang on, I'm over-multi-=tasking here [09:20] Techrights-sec2 that contact can be used as basis to refresh contacct [09:20] Techrights-sec2 ok [09:22] schestowitz-TR OK, all links you found added to the post now [09:22] schestowitz-TR so we have one anchor for refs [09:22] schestowitz-TR did not check all the links [09:22] schestowitz-TR work. [09:23] schestowitz-TR maybe you can double check [09:23] schestowitz-TR while IO hand over my shift [09:23] Techrights-sec2 still finalizing links [09:24] schestowitz-TR the goal should be to make a fresh complaint easier [09:24] schestowitz-TR by giving the complainant what they need [09:24] schestowitz-TR and to rerepat ion TR every now and then [09:24] schestowitz-TR even if just using some humour, meme, new daily links on ther topic [09:24] schestowitz-TR brb [09:24] Techrights-sec2 yes, I think that can be best done by coordinating a little between authors [09:32] schestowitz-TR OK, officially done with work now [09:32] schestowitz-TR so we have some old (but still working) URLs on the affairs of 2014 [09:32] schestowitz-TR some might vanish over the next 5 years [09:32] schestowitz-TR not many un-compromised ones left [09:32] schestowitz-TR SJVN said Microsot is "Linux company" [09:32] schestowitz-TR reminds me of how media treats EPO affairs [09:33] schestowitz-TR remember: [09:33] schestowitz-TR "then they fight you" [09:33] schestowitz-TR if we're the only ones left in the ftrenches to fight back [09:33] schestowitz-TR and we don't risk death [09:33] schestowitz-TR then all the better [09:33] Techrights-sec2 ack [09:35] schestowitz-TR we cxan bring up the subject in the context of early august figures from statcounter [09:35] schestowitz-TR a) showing WHY they do this [09:35] schestowitz-TR b) remaining to many peop[le how small Windows really has become in the grand context of things [09:35] schestowitz-TR (rianne told me her aunt has no laptop anymore, just tablet and phone) [09:35] schestowitz-TR |(I read this has become common in china) [09:35] schestowitz-TR (in place like indonesia, seems just a phone and "FB" is computing to many people) [09:43] Techrights-sec2 tablet or phone means ultra-passive use of the Net [09:48] schestowitz-TR rianne mentioned this yesterday [09:48] schestowitz-TR when wifi stopped working [09:48] schestowitz-TR her aunt maria used toi have a laptop [09:48] schestowitz-TR but at some stage people stop buying news ones [09:48] schestowitz-TR as they barely use these [09:48] schestowitz-TR rmemeber: [09:48] schestowitz-TR they turn them off [09:48] schestowitz-TR and if they use windows they need toi power it up [09:48] schestowitz-TR takes time [09:48] schestowitz-TR thewn windows updates [09:48] schestowitz-TR hog [09:48] schestowitz-TR so windows made computing unpleasant [09:48] schestowitz-TR people then associate pc with windows [09:48] schestowitz-TR and become fatigued [09:48] schestowitz-TR there are other examples like that where one brand gives a bad name to whole product types, not lines [09:48] schestowitz-TR by vortue os sucking really badly [09:49] schestowitz-TR like taking one hour for system update [09:49] schestowitz-TR just cause you wanted to boot and check/reply to email [09:49] schestowitz-TR not worth the electricity [09:49] schestowitz-TR liam dawe wrote about this in the context of booting into windows for firts time ina while ro ruin some [09:49] schestowitz-TR game and then spending ages just to get that done, with windows updates and other woes [09:49] schestowitz-TR windows updates is a joke [09:49] schestowitz-TR it's like kde neon updating the whole system as it's rolling and basically gets a new image [09:49] schestowitz-TR kde neon also deals poorly with ram afaik [09:49] schestowitz-TR 4gb is not enough (what I have on this machine) [09:49] schestowitz-TR but then again, neon is a bit of an experiment, not a "proper" production machine [09:49] schestowitz-TR and I get to play with latest kde plasma this way [09:49] schestowitz-TR and somtimes do videos showingthe latest srrivals featurs-wise [09:51] schestowitz-TR I really need to start hiding the computers here. got some dodgy people a few houses down the road (from the back). had like 30-40 cops here around 10pm last night dispersing a crowd and arresting people, just over the fence from me... some arrivals here (people) ruin the place, but then again it was never crime-free. more details in irc logs. [09:52] Techrights-sec2 ack [09:55] schestowitz-TR no ambulance at any point [09:55] schestowitz-TR and I heard banging on door or similar [09:55] schestowitz-TR so I can guess they just needed loads of cops to handle a situation [09:55] schestowitz-TR which I doubt the media will report on [09:55] schestowitz-TR as nobody was seemingly hurt [09:55] schestowitz-TR so to them it's just "shavs" [09:55] schestowitz-TR /*chavs [09:55] schestowitz-TR many teens around , no idea why [09:55] schestowitz-TR maybe some party turned violenty [09:55] schestowitz-TR *violent [09:55] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jul 28 [10:01] Techrights-sec2 flashcrowd ? [10:01] Techrights-sec2 fueled by tiktok or whatever [10:04] schestowitz-TR tell me more [10:04] schestowitz-TR at one point I thoiught [10:04] schestowitz-TR why 40 cops [10:04] schestowitz-TR shouting at kids [10:04] schestowitz-TR around 12 year olds [10:04] schestowitz-TR shouting MOVE!!! [10:04] schestowitz-TR Go !!! [10:04] schestowitz-TR and the kids thinking twice before going [10:04] schestowitz-TR maybe trying to get footage of some bad scene [10:04] schestowitz-TR like 40 kids [10:04] schestowitz-TR then the police pinning down some old men [10:04] schestowitz-TR I don't know what flashcrowd is in relation to tiktok, but I reckoned the kids were there to observe something [10:04] schestowitz-TR and that became very very loud outside [10:04] schestowitz-TR I took the headphones off [10:04] schestowitz-TR lots of shouting, not screaming [10:04] schestowitz-TR then many police sirens [10:04] schestowitz-TR and the vans kept coming and coming [10:04] schestowitz-TR like d-day [10:05] Techrights-sec2 no idea but TikTok actively encourages / trains kids in those ages to engage [10:05] Techrights-sec2 in very antisocial and destructive behavior for clicks [10:05] Techrights-sec2 spontaneous mob; recently fueled by SMS nowadays fueled by social control media [10:06] Techrights-sec2 anyway they use their phones to contact their acquaintances, n-degrees out, [10:06] Techrights-sec2 and with or without encouragement the recipients of the contact decide [10:06] Techrights-sec2 that it'd be exciting to show up on site [10:07] Techrights-sec2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Crowd [10:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Flash Crowd - Wikipedia [10:14] schestowitz-TR I decided to not check what happened [10:14] schestowitz-TR having already wasted a lot of time, in vain, lasty night [10:14] schestowitz-TR official police site, social control media account [10:14] schestowitz-TR then random stuff based on keywords in Gulag seatch and Twitter [10:14] schestowitz-TR but it was weird that so many cops were dispatched [10:14] schestowitz-TR like d-day [10:14] schestowitz-TR payloads of cops [10:14] schestowitz-TR unloading officers with vests on [10:14] schestowitz-TR while a lot of kids hang about [10:14] schestowitz-TR we did have incidents before [10:14] schestowitz-TR people banging on doors [10:14] schestowitz-TR or shouting at someone [10:14] schestowitz-TR often girl and man [10:14] schestowitz-TR disputes [10:14] schestowitz-TR sometimes more then banging [10:14] schestowitz-TR but threats [10:14] schestowitz-TR or someone shouting at the boss from the outside at night [10:14] schestowitz-TR happens on average once a year [10:14] schestowitz-TR this one seemed similar [10:14] schestowitz-TR I was baffled by the scene that followed [10:14] schestowitz-TR esp. the age of the kids infesting the place [10:14] schestowitz-TR many girls, too [10:14] schestowitz-TR not some "scullywags" [10:19] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[11:10] schestowitz-TR e.g. button as css [11:10] schestowitz-TR no images for entries [11:10] schestowitz-TR and no images for categories (ph-nuke/slashdot style)? [11:10] schestowitz-TR it's a matter of taste, I added a lot of those things months after taking over from susan [11:10] schestowitz-TR the google translate thing at the top was always a privacy trade-off [11:10] schestowitz-TR atm, the "search" page is 404 in "new" [11:10] schestowitz-TR meanwhile it can link to search in old [11:10] schestowitz-TR in the "new" site it would be wise to not link to Google and instead promote rss a lot [11:10] schestowitz-TR everything-as-a-Google-search-bar mindset is gateway to censworship [11:10] schestowitz-TR because it ties you to middlemen [11:10] schestowitz-TR same for "follow us on" [social control media] [11:16] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@rgaceq9sf6enk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:43] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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Kids Under 12, the New Captive Market, Almost 2/3 of New Clients [17:33] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:34] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:34] Techrights-sec2 and by reclassifying it as endemic the public will not adjust their behavior [17:34] Techrights-sec2 nor will the governments encourage people to do so; one of the few hopes is [17:34] Techrights-sec2 that /newer/ far more effective vaccines are developed, but those seem to all be [17:34] Techrights-sec2 stopped [17:34] schestowitz-TR I suppose keeping it in ciorculation helps not just the "travel" and "hospitality" serctor [17:34] schestowitz-TR but also AstraZeneca, whicvh targets those "unvaccinated kids" [17:34] schestowitz-TR also, lessened incentive to make better vaccines now [17:34] schestowitz-TR it would "send the wrong message" to billions of early customers [17:35] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:35] schestowitz-TR ot: will soon be out of "proper" foods and will start nibbling at cereal, soy, nuts [17:35] schestowitz-TR as expected [17:38] schestowitz-TR hahahahahahah [17:38] schestowitz-TR just chedked twitter analytics [17:38] schestowitz-TR the site is so dead [17:38] schestowitz-TR I think they must have lost like 50% of activity since I left in start of March [17:38] schestowitz-TR FB too is suffering (you sent links) [17:38] schestowitz-TR so it's a trend, not a brand thing [17:38] schestowitz-TR I hope they all bleedy profusely [17:38] schestowitz-TR and this experiment once known as "social media" won't be reattempted [17:38] Techrights-sec2 it's a good trend [17:41] schestowitz-TR I know what will replace them [17:42] schestowitz-TR the popcorn industry ;-) [17:42] schestowitz-TR rianne watched the robertson video [17:42] schestowitz-TR I keep telling her youtube is a burning platform (not in these words, elop) [17:42] schestowitz-TR she said many of her channel lost a lot in viewership [17:42] schestowitz-TR *her channels (ones she followed) [17:42] schestowitz-TR that lesens incentive to invest in new videos [17:42] schestowitz-TR gulag stopped cpumping capital to moptivate and reward (monetise) producers [17:42] schestowitz-TR it was floated by losses for over a decade [17:45] Techrights-sec2 one can hope that social media is discontinued but given the strong control [17:45] Techrights-sec2 aspect of it, there is every likelihood that it will be given bailout after [17:45] Techrights-sec2 bailout [17:45] Techrights-sec2 youtube is almost over as far as I can tell [17:45] Techrights-sec2 unless you have bookmarked specific channels, it is almost impossible to find [17:45] Techrights-sec2 them [17:45] Techrights-sec2 anymore [17:45] Techrights-sec2 Google seems to rip off uploaders these days and the few youtube videos which [17:45] Techrights-sec2 I've seen lately are jammed full of irrelevant advertising, lots of it. [17:45] Techrights-sec2 as Lunduke pointed out, having the string "Linux" in the video title is [17:45] Techrights-sec2 a guaranteed way to have it demonetized, and quickly [17:45] schestowitz-TR those ads can pay more [17:45] schestowitz-TR relevant to what, linux? [17:45] schestowitz-TR they'd rather sell holidays and such.. [17:49] schestowitz-TR I find a date range I can use to make a video [17:49] schestowitz-TR to show the muisk affair and how twitter faked the numbers [17:49] schestowitz-TR OTA ● Jul 28 [18:10] *liberty_box (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:10] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:10] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [18:33] schestowitz-TR Th video went OK, mentioned how all social control media is crisis control [18:33] schestowitz-TR I'll do the text now [18:35] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:36] schestowitz-TR sometimes I wonder, [18:36] schestowitz-TR if I could go back in time [18:36] schestowitz-TR and tell trmanco [18:36] schestowitz-TR no, no thanks, no identica [18:36] schestowitz-TR and instead produce stuff elsewhere [18:36] schestowitz-TR since 2009 [18:41] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:42] schestowitz-TR I fed he monster [18:42] schestowitz-TR *the [18:42] schestowitz-TR now there is an obligatiobn to slay it [18:42] Techrights-sec2 yes [18:46] *britney has quit (connection closed) [18:51] schestowitz-TR rianne_: all we have left now is potatoes - famous last words :-) [18:51] Techrights-sec2 ack [18:52] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 28 [19:03] Techrights-sec2 checking [19:03] Techrights-sec2 probably would benefit from quoting some figures in the draft showing the decline [19:06] schestowitz-TR good idea [19:06] schestowitz-TR I talked about them [19:06] schestowitz-TR but need a text summary (ocncise) of the % fall [19:06] schestowitz-TR done [19:07] schestowitz-TR short draft [19:07] schestowitz-TR good idea [19:07] schestowitz-TR I talked about them [19:07] schestowitz-TR but need a text summary (ocncise) of the % fall [19:07] schestowitz-TR done [19:07] Techrights-sec2 yes [19:09] schestowitz-TR a lot of historically--significant info will vanish [19:09] schestowitz-TR just just @realDonaldTrump [19:09] schestowitz-TR baffling historians for these periods of time [19:09] schestowitz-TR LoC quit indexing and archiving this brigademill [19:09] schestowitz-TR seeing no value in it [19:09] schestowitz-TR (anymore) [19:09] schestowitz-TR *not just [19:10] Techrights-sec2 yes various laws, regulations, and guidelines regarding official communication [19:10] Techrights-sec2 are violated severely through using any social control media in place of [19:10] Techrights-sec2 official channels [19:11] schestowitz-TR tragic [19:11] schestowitz-TR for about a decade political public discourse was done from people's toilet seats [19:11] schestowitz-TR without any consultation with peers, legal advisors, etc. [19:15] Techrights-sec2 https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcRD6UA8oeG47N2txr-qyq-gX00En4E_5_-L9CWnSTMwMhDv40RS%26s&sp=1659031910T3a06ae035a53cca305c3978e8aaf20b0f9569de9348e3be8182a1ca1ce55343c [19:17] schestowitz-TR it was meant as a joke [19:17] schestowitz-TR but only "the donald" knows how much truth there it to it [19:17] schestowitz-TR maybe his f* buddy knows too [19:17] schestowitz-TR maybe [19:17] schestowitz-TR and secret service... maybe [19:17] Techrights-sec2 there was a lot of speculation and given the only time he could be 'undisturbed' [19:17] Techrights-sec2 and alone with his twitter app was probably on the shitter [19:18] schestowitz-TR yes, times of day being like 5am [19:18] schestowitz-TR so not in office and too early for breakfast [19:18] Techrights-sec2 not just times of day but from what outsiders said of his schedule and [19:18] Techrights-sec2 when and where he was otherwise prevented from "tweeting"; without adult [19:18] Techrights-sec2 supervision he would likely have been "tweeting" all his waking hours [19:22] schestowitz-TR twitter was, to him, a command and control tool [19:23] schestowitz-TR until january ~8th [19:23] schestowitz-TR the term C&C was explicitly used by US authorities in re twitter [19:23] schestowitz-TR about a decade earlier [19:23] schestowitz-TR hence my borrowing of that term in such a context [19:23] schestowitz-TR mobilising with hate and disinfo [19:23] schestowitz-TR I got menacing emails and cracking attempts [19:23] schestowitz-TR when I was on top of his comments until he blocked me [19:23] schestowitz-TR I was messing with the troops he was rallying [19:23] schestowitz-TR and thus became target [19:23] schestowitz-TR 2017 [19:23] schestowitz-TR you could get millions of impression by sneaking and holding up at the top of his "comments" [19:25] Techrights-sec2 I think that attributes too much forethought and planning to him [19:25] Techrights-sec2 It looks more like a typical twitter addiction combined with visceral outbursts [19:25] Techrights-sec2 and emotional tempertantrums of a (mentally) 8-year-old [19:25] Techrights-sec2 Yes it looks like it is often used for C&C but by those with the ability [19:25] Techrights-sec2 to plan and have discipline to stay on message [19:25] Techrights-sec2 yep [19:25] Techrights-sec2 He was technically required to unblock everyone IIRC but never did [19:25] Techrights-sec2 s/technically/legally/ [19:25] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:26] schestowitz-TR what can I say other than: you were right (not to bother with those shit platforms) [19:26] schestowitz-TR I remember in airpot I'd feel compelled to go online [19:26] schestowitz-TR liuke in dubai [19:26] schestowitz-TR to catch up with the trail of notifications and maybe post some updates [19:26] schestowitz-TR same in irc etc. [19:26] schestowitz-TR pacing down postings as if social control media was the target platform [19:27] schestowitz-TR so it was controlling my life [19:30] schestowitz-TR in the context of football, I saw it mentioned that some high-profile players [19:30] schestowitz-TR became too focused on their online presence and therefore could not focus on the games [19:30] schestowitz-TR and were neglecting some of the training [19:30] schestowitz-TR so the coaches had to explain to them, set that aside [19:30] schestowitz-TR we're here to train/play [19:30] schestowitz-TR the addition factor of non-narcotics [19:30] schestowitz-TR harned or lowered their potential [19:30] schestowitz-TR they saw themselves as celebs, not performers or atheletes [19:30] schestowitz-TR and some comments they receive can harm their morale, not just waste time [19:32] Techrights-sec2 overal it was the best move though, to not waste time with social control media [19:32] Techrights-sec2 sadly too many adults are addicted and, worse, many young people have *lost* [19:32] Techrights-sec2 nearly their entire childhoods flicking at the screen instead of doing real [19:32] Techrights-sec2 things [19:32] Techrights-sec2 yep them too [19:32] Techrights-sec2 however, youth spend far more contact hours with social control media's skinner [19:32] Techrights-sec2 boxes than they do with either their friends or relatives combined, as far as [19:32] Techrights-sec2 I can discern [19:32] Techrights-sec2 The addiction's foundation is generically designed against your average person [19:32] Techrights-sec2 but the adaptive nature then tunes it to each individual, preying on their [19:32] Techrights-sec2 weaknesses over time; as many studies show, there is no safe level of exposure [19:33] schestowitz-TR there is not [19:33] schestowitz-TR partly because it's designed to be limitless [19:33] schestowitz-TR one of the reason I alter urls algorithmically to invidious and similar [19:33] schestowitz-TR to remove all that -- as RMS too now puts is -- addictive UIs [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:48] " In the video, Mosseri attempted damage control by arguing that more users are sharing and consuming videos so that the company will have to lean into [19:37] schestowitz-TR that shift toward video while continuing to support photos." [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:48] OM NOM NOM VIDEO OM NOM [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:48] KETCHUP!!!! [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:48] * DaemonFC spits it out [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:48] " consuming video" [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:48] yum!!!! [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:48] OKAY, WHO IS THE DEAD CANADIAN ASSHOLE THAT PUT KETCHUP IN THIS!? [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:48] That video was... DELICIOUS [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:49] MOAR pls!! [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:49] I am TRYING to CONSUME video here! [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:49] on nom nom [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:49] *om [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:49] "let me put my apron on" [19:37] schestowitz-TR Misinformation/Disinformation: "Discovery Engine" = brainwash model for "engagement" https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/27/23281451/facebook-instagram-meta-recommendation-discovery-engine-ai | Source: The Verge [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:44] schestowitz The $29 billion hit was caused entirely by the $10 million hit caused by Apple, again. [19:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | Instagram, Facebook to show more posts from accounts you dont follow - The Verge [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:44] Facebook dying. Twitter is likely dead already, just not officially. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/meta-q2-2022-earnings-1235187468/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter [19:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Meta Q2 2022 Earnings: Revenue Declines The Hollywood Reporter [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:44] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.hollywoodreporter.com | Meta Q2 2022 Earnings: Revenue Declines The Hollywood Reporter [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:45] "engagement trends" https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/27/23281294/facebook-meta-revenue-declines-for-first-time | Source: The Verge [19:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | Meta reports revenue decline for the first time in Q2 earnings - The Verge [19:37] schestowitz-TR [11:45] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.theverge.com | Meta reports revenue decline for the first time in Q2 earnings - The Verge [19:38] schestowitz-TR [11:45] <-- u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has left this server (Quit: Konversation terminated!). [19:38] schestowitz-TR [11:45] "The parent company of Facebook and Instagram saw a 1 percent drop in revenue and 36 percent decline in net income." [19:38] schestowitz-TR [11:45] schestowitz Malinvestment [19:38] schestowitz-TR there is not [19:38] schestowitz-TR partly because it's designed to be limitless [19:38] schestowitz-TR one of the reason I alter urls algorithmically to invidious and similar [19:38] schestowitz-TR to remove all that -- as RMS too now puts is -- addictive UIs [19:38] Techrights-sec2 whenever people have tried to show me something on "their" phone, it usually [19:38] Techrights-sec2 turns into a bunch of aimless flicking on their part in futile attempts to [19:38] Techrights-sec2 locate what they had seen or thought they saved earlier. I'd say as good as [19:38] Techrights-sec2 none understand dynamic algorithmic sorting, neither the dynamic part nor the [19:38] Techrights-sec2 algorithmic part. [19:43] schestowitz-TR "successful" games have always been addictive ones, played by many crackheads for the longest timne possible [19:43] schestowitz-TR based on perceived advancewment, belonging [19:43] schestowitz-TR this was imitated by social control media with scores [19:43] schestowitz-TR they then started using the words "engagement" and "gamification" [19:43] schestowitz-TR I realise this around 2016 [19:43] schestowitz-TR when I was in the trenches with wikileaks [19:43] schestowitz-TR and noticed it felt like we were playing laserquest or somethhing [19:43] schestowitz-TR scoring political points [19:43] Techrights-sec2 There are a few MOOs and maybe some MUDs around still. [19:43] Techrights-sec2 The games were designe to be fun to play, the social control media is much [19:43] Techrights-sec2 more malicious; from the victim's perspective, it is purely about engagement [19:43] Techrights-sec2 not playing or having fun or even getting anything done [19:43] Techrights-sec2 anyway, if the picture linked to earlier is not too rude it would be relevant [19:43] Techrights-sec2 for that or another article [19:43] Techrights-sec2 :/ [19:45] schestowitz-TR I already have that (or similar) picture on my drive [19:45] schestowitz-TR I used it several times in the past in Twitter [19:45] schestowitz-TR the hard time was locating these memes on disk [19:46] Techrights-sec2 by the way in the draft, near the bottom is a chart, which year is that from? [19:46] Techrights-sec2 it is not labeled [19:46] Techrights-sec2 ok good that you have archived a copy of that image ;) [19:46] Techrights-sec2 EXIF metadata can be searched by various utilities, if the image has been [19:46] Techrights-sec2 updated to contain it of course [19:49] schestowitz-TR the filenames are IDs [19:49] schestowitz-TR and no useful metadata [19:49] schestowitz-TR some uploaders or file selectors have preview for all images [19:49] schestowitz-TR some only for one image at the time [19:49] schestowitz-TR some no preview at all [19:49] schestowitz-TR so it's a time-consumign process [19:49] schestowitz-TR spent hours of my life just searching for memes in a bag [19:49] schestowitz-TR re chart, based on the events named the year should be obvious [19:50] schestowitz-TR there is even a link re SEC [19:50] schestowitz-TR wallstreet will be last to fall [19:50] schestowitz-TR after it empties the cookie jar [19:50] schestowitz-TR becaause it controls the cookie jar [19:50] schestowitz-TR or the regime that claims to have control over it (graft) first, ordinary citiziens will go broke [19:50] schestowitz-TR then the corporattions will 'max up' the debt [19:50] schestowitz-TR and tell us wall street exisrs to protect our "common[sic]wealth" [19:52] Techrights-sec2 those too [19:52] Techrights-sec2 nothing technical stops you from adding your own metadata as you add the object [19:52] Techrights-sec2 to your own archive, and erase any metadata which might have been there first [19:52] Techrights-sec2 https://www.linux.com/news/how-add-metadata-digital-pictures-command-line/ [19:52] Techrights-sec2 wallstreet seems to have been bailed out more than a few times in the last [19:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-How to add metadata to digital pictures from the command line - Linux.com [19:52] Techrights-sec2 100 or so years :/ [19:52] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:55] schestowitz-TR india took time to realise what "Commonwealth" means, esp. when your skin is dark [19:55] schestowitz-TR make us more tea... no, not serve tea, farming [19:55] schestowitz-TR after opium wars china rose better off than india [19:55] schestowitz-TR gdp must be like 5 times higher, at least... [19:55] schestowitz-TR in 2019 I stopped "engaging" with Twitter (I had already/alwayys posted there indirectly) [19:55] schestowitz-TR which means no more memes [19:55] schestowitz-TR so any metadata work would not be worth the investment [19:55] schestowitz-TR the same is true for a lot in TM and TR [19:55] schestowitz-TR I spend hundreds of hours, maybe 1000+ hours doing with Daily Links what [19:55] schestowitz-TR is now automated, compacting the daily lumps [19:55] schestowitz-TR hence I can do 3-5 lumps per day [19:55] schestowitz-TR at least I can say that, with old TM, I did not significant work on drupal since 2014 or 15 [19:55] schestowitz-TR when I added images to categories and added a few tabs here and there to enhance the experience [19:56] Techrights-sec2 ack [19:56] Techrights-sec2 drupal is also a mess [19:56] schestowitz-TR back then drupal 6 was already barely supported [19:59] schestowitz-TR drupal is drupal [19:59] schestowitz-TR it does what it does [19:59] schestowitz-TR for some people it's the only way [19:59] schestowitz-TR and for some sites [19:59] schestowitz-TR but the sites change [19:59] schestowitz-TR the software "evolves" [19:59] schestowitz-TR so people start to reassess format-shifting in teh CMS sense [19:59] schestowitz-TR some clients of work move TO Drupal [19:59] schestowitz-TR TechDirt moved not just to WordPress [19:59] schestowitz-TR but to WordPress.com (WP MU) [19:59] schestowitz-TR fine, good luck with that.... [19:59] schestowitz-TR marius also uses wordpress.com afaik [19:59] schestowitz-TR they register their own domain [19:59] schestowitz-TR and link that to their wordpress.com (centralised) account [19:59] schestowitz-TR it became a web hosting company [19:59] schestowitz-TR that censors a lot [19:59] schestowitz-TR and puts ads in your posts without paying you, daemonfc has told me (I don't see ads) [19:59] Techrights-sec2 yes in that way one pays a subscription to that company in exchange for [19:59] Techrights-sec2 them maintaining pretty much all aspects of the components and system [19:59] Techrights-sec2 there were some other problems too but I can't recall what they are at the [19:59] Techrights-sec2 moment ● Jul 28 [20:02] schestowitz-TR the ui changes you cannot reject? [20:02] schestowitz-TR withoutsystemd complained about these [20:02] schestowitz-TR wanted to even move off the platform [20:02] schestowitz-TR easy "in theory' [20:02] schestowitz-TR from wordpress.com to self-hosted wordpress '.org' [20:02] schestowitz-TR florrian mueller and I discussed what it means that he outsourced his blog, fosspatents, [20:02] schestowitz-TR to blogspot.ccom and what risks that entails [20:02] schestowitz-TR he said the urls were his own [20:02] schestowitz-TR as if he can just self-host proprietary blogger/blogspot (blogger.com) [20:02] schestowitz-TR at best, he can replicsate the url structure with some other cms, afaik [20:06] schestowitz-TR florian is selling himself in microsoft linkedin these days [20:06] schestowitz-TR I no longer read his blog [20:06] schestowitz-TR it does not have much left to offer anyway [20:06] schestowitz-TR he markets himself to patent "professionals" ● Jul 28 [21:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [21:19] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:31] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@bcba5b8eb7taa.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:32] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [21:32] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@wgyyzbf72qs7n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 28 [22:04] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [22:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:55] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [22:55] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@2e2c9k5uam4rg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:56] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [22:56] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@xu8e5gzdxpuic.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:57] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [22:57] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@uv4wmq3qfttkq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:58] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [22:59] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@64ucc9vur9ywy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 28 [23:14] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [23:35] *DaemonFC_ (~chatzilla@2wi37emrxzeyi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:36] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:38] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@yweijwv4zseyc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:38] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [23:39] *DaemonFC_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:51] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@3mqrk8fvmfdji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell