●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, September 28, 2022 ●● ● Sep 28 [00:06] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:10] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:26] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 28 [01:36] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:49] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 28 [02:09] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:11] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@hh4kexj9h7bjn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:12] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [02:59] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:59] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 28 [03:24] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:24] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:25] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [03:38] *liberty_box (~liberty@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:38] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-vjf.peq.k31cok.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [03:38] *rianne (~rianne@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 28 [05:21] schestowitz-TR the patent troll now sounds more like bullshitting [05:21] schestowitz-TR the long PDFs have turned into just emails asking for money [05:21] schestowitz-TR I am ignoring of course [05:21] schestowitz-TR yesterday due to irc I did not find any time to do articles, but my notes are still intact and maybe I'll get it done shortly [05:21] schestowitz-TR without videos even [05:38] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:39] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:56] *techrights_guest|83 (~5198ecf9@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:56] *techrights_guest|83 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [05:57] *techrights_guest|83 (~5198ecf9@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:57] *techrights_guest|83 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Sep 28 [06:16] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [06:17] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:32] Techrights-sec ack [06:42] Techrights-sec :) [06:44] schestowitz-TR >> Someone has asked me, will you give a talk on swpats or UPC at [06:44] schestowitz-TR [06:38] > > LibrePlanet? [06:44] schestowitz-TR [06:38] > I could. [06:44] schestowitz-TR [06:38] > I was preparing one for this saturday Software Freedom Day at HSBXL.be. [06:44] schestowitz-TR talking about the issue openly would make the event not a "Safe space" [06:44] schestowitz-TR we're talking about this in the IRC channel this morning [06:44] schestowitz-TR FSF has been sanitised out of any revolutionary element [06:44] schestowitz-TR because of a sixth sense for corporate acceptance [06:45] schestowitz-TR or acceptance of corporate shills like those who signed the petiion [06:45] schestowitz-TR last night "The Linux Experiment" published a video entitled Microsoft isn't the enemy [06:45] schestowitz-TR or something to that effect [06:45] schestowitz-TR RMS is the enemy [06:45] schestowitz-TR Microsoft is not [06:45] schestowitz-TR -The Linux Experiment [06:46] Techrights-sec CoCs are, as known, used to silence various topics unrelated to civil rights etc [06:46] Techrights-sec What a tool, a dumbfuck. [06:46] Techrights-sec How can a non-idiot become so detached from reality without being on the take? [06:46] Techrights-sec Holy shit, it's right there in the title: [06:46] Techrights-sec https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxExperiment:e/microsoft-isn't-the-enemy-of-linux-and:3 [06:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | MICROSOFT isn't the ENEMY of Linux and FOSS anymore, but it's no friend either... [06:46] Techrights-sec What a tool || fool he is. [06:47] schestowitz-TR one step away from calling people who oppose Microsoft "enemies" ● Sep 28 [07:01] Techrights-sec basically and he seems to soft-pedal the 1990s while glossing over the 1980s [07:01] Techrights-sec He tries to spin the behaviors as past actions and not ongoing, continued [07:01] Techrights-sec attacks against everyone and everything. At least he almost called them out [07:01] Techrights-sec over OOXML but missed out a key point that *no one* not even m$ uses it. [07:01] Techrights-sec And he bullshits on WSL, overstating its capabilities. The kernel [07:01] Techrights-sec 'contributions' are mistaken for help rather than dumping crap m$-orient [07:01] Techrights-sec code. [07:01] Techrights-sec He observes, correctly, that m$ aims to control now via the "cloud" [07:01] Techrights-sec He misses the core of the problem with GitHub [07:02] Techrights-sec M$ Co-pilot, unlike his claim, is a copyright infringing service. [07:02] Techrights-sec Definitely not his best video. He's off badly in each segment. [07:06] Techrights-sec "secure-core" [07:06] Techrights-sec the thicker part of the wedge, long after the thin edge [07:06] Techrights-sec ^ topic [07:07] schestowitz-TR draft [07:07] schestowitz-TR does that refer to something in an article? [07:07] schestowitz-TR secure core? [07:07] schestowitz-TR back doors agencies like NSA misframe security" [07:07] schestowitz-TR they hijack and change the words [07:07] schestowitz-TR I could dop a video rebuttal to nick, maybe... [07:07] schestowitz-TR unless playing him back (playback) does more harm than good [07:13] Techrights-sec secure-core has hardly been covered at all; remember 20+ years ago when M$ [07:13] Techrights-sec tried to acquire Pheonix or AMI BIOS? I forget which. That was when theyu [07:13] Techrights-sec laid out their strategy to *also* beging lock-in from the hardware on up. [07:13] Techrights-sec Not just from the OS on down. I'm missing a few steps but secure-core appears [07:13] Techrights-sec to be a certification programme where restricted boot is not just on by default [07:13] Techrights-sec but on permanently in such a way as to prevent non-M$ systems from booting. [07:13] Techrights-sec Anyway as for the draft, a reminder about the anti-RMS petition tied to the [07:13] Techrights-sec unfounded smear campaign is needed. The campaign was based on baldfaced lies [07:13] Techrights-sec which too many, out of apparent eagerness to lynch RMS or destroy FOSS, [07:13] Techrights-sec did not examine. [07:13] Techrights-sec Then a /proper/ rebuttal of nick's video is needed. The above draft was pushe [07:13] Techrights-sec d out halfbaked. :/ [07:13] Techrights-sec The whole video does not necessarily have to be address, just pick apart [07:13] Techrights-sec the recurring themes. [07:14] schestowitz-TR i've already published that [07:14] schestowitz-TR should I do a video later? [07:14] schestowitz-TR i did not watch the video [07:14] schestowitz-TR maybe better not to play it back at all and focus on the other topics (3) i have in drafts [07:14] schestowitz-TR ok, i will move the irc notes to draft [07:14] schestowitz-TR to respond to later [07:14] schestowitz-TR i need to avoid irc today [07:14] schestowitz-TR to get articles done [07:14] Techrights-sec Thanks! [07:14] Techrights-sec IRC is a time sink at best [07:16] schestowitz-TR so i have 4 drafts, i will do a video for each, then work on text, [07:16] schestowitz-TR maybe past midday [07:17] Techrights-sec ack [07:41] Techrights-sec revisit bandwidth and web page bloat [07:41] Techrights-sec ^ topic [07:41] Techrights-sec there are no small pages any more, nor much of any server-side activty, [07:41] Techrights-sec despite some countries still requiring small pages as part of defence [07:41] Techrights-sec readiness [07:41] Techrights-sec That may be a key reason why m$ and its controlling interests have started [07:41] Techrights-sec their nearly all-out campaign to disparage and eliminate SSH [07:41] Techrights-sec Part of that can be subversion of the developent process, too [07:41] Techrights-sec Afterall, m$ has been "helping" OpenSSH for a while ... [07:42] schestowitz-TR If we get to the point of U-boat revisited, I think Techrights won't be the highest priority [07:42] schestowitz-TR small pages can be sent over satellite [07:42] schestowitz-TR unless they too get gunned down [07:42] schestowitz-TR ssh access is low b/w [07:42] schestowitz-TR but for visitors there are constrained [07:42] schestowitz-TR ipfs is... becoming interesting [07:42] schestowitz-TR the raison detre of the Internet [07:42] schestowitz-TR during cold war [07:46] schestowitz-TR -- [07:46] schestowitz-TR just finished shaving, but the battery of it is awful. it's a 1990s appliance with battery last replaced around 2009 [07:46] schestowitz-TR not much incentive to replace it anymore [07:46] schestowitz-TR anyway, got 5 topics now [07:46] schestowitz-TR will try to stick to plan [07:46] schestowitz-TR lots of text and URLs I can reuse, so writing can be a very smooth process [07:46] schestowitz-TR like I said, my workflow is all wrong [07:47] schestowitz-TR due to priorities being impulsive [07:47] schestowitz-TR momentum, not rationale [07:47] Techrights-sec ack ● Sep 28 [08:35] schestowitz-TR our longest (time) client is a company that helps track and prevent damage to undersea cables [08:35] schestowitz-TR but that's not worthy of a mention [08:35] schestowitz-TR I have 5 topics now [08:35] schestowitz-TR probably too much [08:35] schestowitz-TR as I have a load of rss feeds and links to catch up with first [08:36] Techrights-sec probably not good to mention [08:36] Techrights-sec fwiw, theatre: https://internet.nl/site/news.tuxmachines.org/1719977/ [08:36] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-internet.nl | Website test: news.tuxmachines.org [08:36] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:39] schestowitz-TR "we ticked all the boxes in the ISO form and still got cracked" ;-) [08:49] Techrights-sec among other things, it objects to the site vouching for its own TLS certificates [08:49] Techrights-sec https://internet.nl/site/news.tuxmachines.org/1719977/#control-panel-21 [08:50] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-internet.nl | Website test: news.tuxmachines.org ● Sep 28 [09:28] *psydruid has quit (Quit: Gateway shutdown) [09:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:31] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:33] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 28 [10:17] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-q23.1r7.99gcg9.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [10:34] schestowitz-TR to avoid pressure,/stress/borderline burnout i will assign priorities to topics [10:34] schestowitz-TR and the lesser ones can wait till weekends when it is quiet [10:34] schestowitz-TR like I said, the pipeline thing is still work in progress [10:34] schestowitz-TR i just knoew we can publish more and better [10:34] schestowitz-TR we're just done a run outside, it got very cold here, feels like November [10:38] schestowitz-TR just checked a ssecond weather sourcce, the one I use over gemini, not curl [10:38] schestowitz-TR it says it was 2 degrees last night [10:38] schestowitz-TR super-cold for Sept. [10:54] schestowitz-TR "summer of record-breaking heat waves sweeping the northern hemisphere from Europe to China to California" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/27/confront-climate-crisis-universities-must-refuse-fossil-fuel-industry-funding | Source: Common Dreams [10:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | To Confront the Climate Crisis, Universities Must Refuse Fossil Fuel Industry Funding | Paul G. Nauert ● Sep 28 [11:04] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:05] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@hh4kexj9h7bjn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:31] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:33] Techrights-sec ack [11:35] schestowitz-TR safe to say that no matter where one lives, it's hard to find good news [11:35] schestowitz-TR and uncertainty is growing over a whole range of issues [11:35] schestowitz-TR after all, it's one planet, same 'league' [11:35] schestowitz-TR we hear of people we know losing everything, falling into depression, or sinking into both [11:35] Techrights-sec ack [11:35] schestowitz-TR a lot of good journalism now gets demoted [11:35] schestowitz-TR as it is seen as a "luxury" topic and not as urgent as several more pressing issues [11:35] schestowitz-TR which I think worsens accountability [11:40] Techrights-sec I would also guess that the diminishing of journalism is closely tied to [11:40] Techrights-sec the ongoing media consolidation which was allowed to start in the 1980s [11:40] Techrights-sec There's now not even a handful of companies which own more or less all [11:40] Techrights-sec media in the US, for example. May regions there do not have coverage from [11:40] Techrights-sec more than one company and many more don't even have a source which actually [11:40] Techrights-sec reports on local news. [11:41] schestowitz-TR (just a casual observation) [11:41] schestowitz-TR apathy to news, based on immediate priorities [11:41] Techrights-sec Not just apathy but those news deserts which were mentioned the other day. [11:41] schestowitz-TR no news is good news(tm) [11:44] Techrights-sec :/ [11:47] schestowitz-TR at least you know what I meant [11:47] schestowitz-TR important things compete with [11:47] schestowitz-TR a) immediate fear (war) [11:47] schestowitz-TR b) clickbait [11:47] schestowitz-TR c) screen time monopolists [11:47] schestowitz-TR i think in the long run the important stories will be worth it [11:47] schestowitz-TR because a b and c mean that nobody else covers them [11:47] schestowitz-TR I'm almost done with links, can start recording sooner than expected [11:47] schestowitz-TR the gbp sank [11:47] schestowitz-TR but I don't think it affects rianne and I much [11:47] schestowitz-TR for a number of reasons [11:47] schestowitz-TR i know people whom this hurts very badly [11:49] schestowitz-TR --- [11:49] schestowitz-TR there are two parallel things that guage progress [11:49] schestowitz-TR one is written, docuemneted material [11:49] schestowitz-TR antoher is immaterial knowledge and narrative [11:49] schestowitz-TR that can be leveraged letter to explain issues [11:49] schestowitz-TR one is about material output [11:50] schestowitz-TR another is potential per se [11:50] schestowitz-TR i think on a number of topics we have the ability to cover properly [11:50] schestowitz-TR and explain certain issues well [11:50] schestowitz-TR glyn moody is still barely visible [11:50] schestowitz-TR i think doctorow was very busy with a book lately [11:50] schestowitz-TR books are a waste of time [11:50] schestowitz-TR young people perceive them as non grata [11:50] schestowitz-TR availability is another problem and it'll worsen over time [11:52] Techrights-sec I wish Glyn maintained a feed or a list or something so that it would be [11:52] Techrights-sec easier (i.e. possible) to find his current work. He is easily one of the [11:52] Techrights-sec top two or three remaining tech writers. [11:52] Techrights-sec Young people not only /don't/ read many actually, in practice, /can't/ read. [11:53] schestowitz-TR done feeds from kate [11:53] schestowitz-TR will let rianne do the first round in quiterss later [11:53] schestowitz-TR posting daily links now [11:53] schestowitz-TR so far on schedule, as planned [11:53] schestowitz-TR even 7 mins ahead of schedule [11:59] *Techrights-sec2 is now known as ts2 ● Sep 28 [12:13] psydruid my nieces read and even work in order to be able to buy books [12:13] psydruid but it may be a cultural thing [12:13] psydruid as in being too consumed by other media [12:14] schestowitz-TR OTA shortly [12:14] schestowitz-TR psydruid: books last long [12:14] schestowitz-TR and if you liek the books, you can take them places [12:14] schestowitz-TR or give to a friend [12:14] schestowitz-TR not everything being "tech" is better [12:14] schestowitz-TR books don't need backup and battery changes [12:15] psydruid I have lots of books, mainly in boxes at the moment [12:16] psydruid but I have the ones I am reading here [12:17] psydruid tech books I mostly have in digital form these days because they are more ephemeral [12:18] schestowitz-TR tech books lose value very fast [12:18] schestowitz-TR because tech changes feast [12:18] schestowitz-TR case of point: value of C++ book from 1995 [12:18] schestowitz-TR verrsus [12:18] schestowitz-TR how to play guitar, 1995 [12:21] psydruid I only bought The C++ Programming Language Third Edition in 1998 [12:21] schestowitz-TR is it still worth a look? [12:21] psydruid I have relatively few tech books [12:21] schestowitz-TR online docs might be a lot more up to date [12:21] psydruid no, it has been superseded by newer standards [12:22] psydruid I've finished most of Stroustrup's newer book A Tour of C++ about C++17 [12:23] psydruid but yeah, you know where to get those [12:24] psydruid keeping people on the treadmill is the name of the game [12:24] psydruid so I jumped 20 years ahead by reading this book [12:25] psydruid I don't know how people keep up with all the new stuff, as it's simply too much [12:26] schestowitz-TR psydruid: i programmed a lot [12:26] schestowitz-TR less in recent years [12:26] schestowitz-TR but teens and 20s a lot [12:27] schestowitz-TR and some of that published [12:27] schestowitz-TR so I learned what code becomes useless shita [12:27] schestowitz-TR *shit [12:27] schestowitz-TR before I spent more time writing online and doing irc etc. [12:27] schestowitz-TR bash seems to have a good shelf life [12:27] schestowitz-TR gnu tools are good items to use [12:27] schestowitz-TR python and php are not [12:28] psydruid I generally don't write crappy code, so I manage to keep it updated over time [12:28] schestowitz-TR even worse for larger frameworks [12:28] psydruid yeah [12:28] schestowitz-TR lego building with modules (perl, ruby etc.) is still risky [12:28] schestowitz-TR because you then depend on each package in the chain [12:28] schestowitz-TR for each distro you choose [12:28] schestowitz-TR compiling from source can become hard [12:28] schestowitz-TR like some new glib [12:29] schestowitz-TR tbh, [12:29] schestowitz-TR me being defeatist [12:29] schestowitz-TR all code sucks [12:29] schestowitz-TR and can be written with the assumption of being only temporarily useful [12:29] schestowitz-TR watch xul [12:29] schestowitz-TR and old android "apps" [12:29] schestowitz-TR you cannot even run them anymore [12:29] schestowitz-TR time wasdted [12:31] schestowitz-TR your stack is yours [12:31] schestowitz-TR but... [12:31] schestowitz-TR the android users on the treadmill [12:31] schestowitz-TR cannot run the binaries you run locally [12:31] schestowitz-TR so even if you can compile the darn thing [12:31] schestowitz-TR or make an apk [12:32] schestowitz-TR they won't be able to "sideload" it [12:32] schestowitz-TR so you are at the mercy of Gulag [12:32] schestowitz-TR I don't touch any lang that Gulah controls even a little [12:32] schestowitz-TR *Gulag [12:32] schestowitz-TR even if it seems technically OK [12:39] schestowitz-TR ghts-news> Is it time to boycott Ubuntu yet? https://ubuntu.com//blog/microsoft-sql-server-on-ubuntu [12:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The benefits of running Microsoft SQL Server on Ubuntu Pro | Ubuntu [12:39] schestowitz-TR -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- The benefits of running Microsoft SQL Server on Ubuntu Pro | Ubuntu [12:40] schestowitz-TR of does "boycott Microsoft" already cover Canonical too? [12:40] schestowitz-TR Mark Shuttleworth (MS) is married with kids. The wife is Satya and the kids are equally evil. [12:40] psydruid I consider Gulag a disturbing force in the free software world [12:41] psydruid And avoid anything they come up with including Android [12:42] psydruid I still don't know why we can't just install our own software on generic "phones" and "tablets" [12:43] psydruid There should be legislation forcing manufacturers to free up these devices so support for them can be maintained for longer times [12:44] Techrights-sec back [12:44] Techrights-sec ack [12:44] schestowitz-TR psydruid: they tried, but too little [12:45] schestowitz-TR to slow things down and standardise [12:45] schestowitz-TR far too little, too late [12:45] schestowitz-TR EU at least [12:45] schestowitz-TR OTA 5 in a row [12:45] Techrights-sec ack [12:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [12:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 28 [14:13] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[15:14] schestowitz-TR thank you. finalising. then the ns1/net article. [15:29] Techrights-sec np [15:29] Techrights-sec likewise "says this page" should not be the anchor text, but instead [15:29] Techrights-sec "The overwhelming majority of computers in the world rely on open source code freely available code that anyone can contribute to," [15:30] schestowitz-TR thanks, already pressed publish and moved n :/ [15:30] schestowitz-TR *on [15:30] schestowitz-TR found many typos, too [15:31] schestowitz-TR (typos don't bother me in irc, but it's a troll's best friend for ad hom, esp. if it's in the site [15:31] schestowitz-TR and now an irc network (irc bot or me directly)) [15:51] schestowitz-TR third one in in drafts now [15:51] schestowitz-TR i've strarted working on the second, which is longer and thus harder [15:51] schestowitz-TR the 3rd one is short [15:51] schestowitz-TR you can see the draft [15:51] schestowitz-TR quotes you a bit ● Sep 28 [16:07] Techrights-sec ack [16:07] Techrights-sec checking [16:07] Techrights-sec best not to quote that, it was off the record private [16:41] Techrights-sec For how many more product cycles will "secure boot" have the opion to be [16:41] Techrights-sec turned off in UEFI and for how many more Vist release will Vista allow that [16:41] Techrights-sec option to even exist? [16:41] schestowitz-TR mjg59_: ^ [16:41] schestowitz-TR you vandal [16:42] schestowitz-TR this will haunt you for years [16:42] schestowitz-TR people who know better will remember who to blame [16:49] psydruid I knew when I got my first system with UEFI it would also be my last one (within boundaries) [16:50] psydruid so mjg59_'s life's work is all for nothing but a paycheck [16:50] psydruid that he will take into his grave anyway [16:51] psydruid that laptop from 6 years ago works just as well today as it did back then [16:52] psydruid so his sabotage will have diminishing returns over time [16:54] schestowitz-TR there should be antitrust actions [16:55] schestowitz-TR there were some [16:55] schestowitz-TR he undermined them [16:55] schestowitz-TR for a Pentagon salary [16:55] schestowitz-TR now he uses those salaries to run around and get peopple to deliver food to his door [16:55] schestowitz-TR like slaves [16:56] psydruid it's pity money [16:56] psydruid I wouldn't want that blood money ● Sep 28 [17:04] psydruid the best thing to do is to freeze such people out [17:05] psydruid maybe even to get their assets seized [17:24] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [17:25] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:26] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:32] schestowitz-TR draft [17:32] Techrights-sec ack [17:32] Techrights-sec quite good [17:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [17:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Sep 28 [18:01] schestowitz-TR workking on 4 and 5 in tadem [18:01] schestowitz-TR no drafts yet [18:01] schestowitz-TR *tandem [18:01] schestowitz-TR draft [18:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:04] Techrights-sec Corporate or corporations? [18:04] Techrights-sec Maybe it would be good to avoid athropomorphizing them and instead point out [18:04] Techrights-sec that they are a group of people? [18:04] Techrights-sec The paragraph starting "and they didn't even .." probably ought to be joined [18:04] Techrights-sec with some of the preceding sentences and the paragrah split above that join? [18:04] Techrights-sec If at all. [18:04] Techrights-sec The acronym DPA needs to be expanded. at the least [18:06] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [18:08] schestowitz-TR thanks, doing a second (final) pass now [18:08] schestowitz-TR then the response to nick's video [18:08] Techrights-sec np [18:08] Techrights-sec nick's video was disappointing but not as bad as it initially looked however [18:08] Techrights-sec not good just disappointing [18:10] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [18:10] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [18:12] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [18:12] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@22agg6qj8dxhg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:27] Techrights-sec It is clickbait but that does not stop him from expressing troubling statements [18:27] Techrights-sec and glossing over problems. Like I said, it is very disappointing. [18:41] schestowitz-TR I called it clickbait [18:41] schestowitz-TR upon listening to it the first time [18:41] schestowitz-TR the self-harming kind of clickbaiot [18:41] schestowitz-TR like phoronix [18:41] schestowitz-TR the story ends with a boy eaten by wolves by doing it too much [18:41] schestowitz-TR i left aside uefi as a futurew [topic] [18:41] Techrights-sec ack [18:48] schestowitz-TR top comment: microsofter [18:48] schestowitz-TR they are often there [18:48] schestowitz-TR but this one even admits it [18:48] schestowitz-TR draft [18:48] schestowitz-TR the comment has a full generic name of a female [18:48] schestowitz-TR so you know Microsoft PR has put that site under "observation" for perception management [18:48] schestowitz-TR disagreeing is potential "sexism" [18:48] schestowitz-TR that's why i stay well away from sh****les like reddit and hackernes [18:48] schestowitz-TR don't want to srestle with pigs [18:49] schestowitz-TR only the pigs GET PAID for it [18:52] schestowitz-TR but then the pig gets paid some more [18:59] schestowitz-TR d [18:59] schestowitz-TR raft [18:59] Techrights-sec checking [18:59] Techrights-sec s/peraon/person/ ? [18:59] Techrights-sec The animated GIF is on a loop :( [18:59] Techrights-sec instead of just running once or twice [18:59] Techrights-sec It has been a long time since FF lost the ability to stop those from cycling [18:59] Techrights-sec endlessly. ● Sep 28 [19:00] schestowitz-TR i really ought to limit emes to just [meme]-labeled post [19:00] schestowitz-TR thanks for pointing this out [19:00] schestowitz-TR i will take a deserved break now... [19:00] schestowitz-TR then catch up with rss [19:01] schestowitz-TR rianne kept tm up to date with the other contribs [19:02] Techrights-sec ok [19:02] Techrights-sec nice [19:02] Techrights-sec should tm have an rsync mirror in to topologically (networkwise) distinct [19:02] Techrights-sec locations? [19:02] Techrights-sec s/to/two/ [19:02] schestowitz-TR yes, definitely [19:02] schestowitz-TR it also acts as data backup [19:02] schestowitz-TR not just downtime resistance (can mess with dns) [19:03] Techrights-sec Which machine can be the second host for that? 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