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[08:49] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@eganakf2bu9k2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [09:15] Techrights-sec scraping 2007 - 2020 without page requisites: [09:15] Techrights-sec real 5012m20.930s [09:15] Techrights-sec user 24m58.637s [09:15] Techrights-sec sys 15m57.343s [09:15] Techrights-sec jsut the text, for Gemini [09:44] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:44] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [10:23] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:23] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:32] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [12:03] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:03] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:04] *blitzed has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 28 [13:06] *sears_hardware has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:07] *sears_hardware (~search_social@akqta89mfqm5k.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:17] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [13:17] *activelow (~activelow@qb3hy9zh9p2dy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:31] *activelow has quit (Quit: reboot) ● Oct 28 [14:26] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:26] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [15:33] *activelow (~activelow@4qc3338mpcm6n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [16:07] Techrights-sec The EU digitization funds are being spent at a bad time since committment to [16:07] Techrights-sec open standard seems low at the moment. Indeed even the very definition is [16:07] Techrights-sec now shakey and something not quite actaully open. [16:07] schestowitz-TR2 spending on "clown computing" is all the rage now [16:14] Techrights-sec Not just clown but unmaintainable, browser-specific javascript monstrosities. [16:14] Techrights-sec And "apps" for spyphones [16:14] Techrights-sec Things are alread starting to break and fall apart around the web in very [16:14] Techrights-sec different sectors. [16:14] schestowitz-TR2 Flash did not due [16:14] schestowitz-TR2 *die [16:14] schestowitz-TR2 it was replaced by the same in browser-level code [16:14] schestowitz-TR2 inc. DRM (EME) [16:24] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.eu/DataAugmented/status/1453740252992917521#m [16:24] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | SyntaxError (@DataAugmented): "Escuelas Linux 7.2 Released with Support for Linux Kernel 5.14, Updated Apps http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/157280 Escuelas Linux 7.2 comes two months after Escuelas Linux 7.1 with updated internals and applications. Its based on the Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS (Focal Fossa) p" | nitter [16:27] Techrights-sec TBL did a nasty turn against the WWW with his endorsement of EME. [16:27] Techrights-sec It probably would have died without his push. [16:27] Techrights-sec Or at least if he pushed back against that move. [16:28] schestowitz-TR2 There was already more to the www and w3c issues than just that (by that point) [16:29] schestowitz https://techrights.org/2013/06/01/w3c-and-drm/ [16:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/11/14/the-w3c-and-fake-authority/ [16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Techrights Calls for Tim Berners-Lee to Drop DRM Support, Regain Control of (Currently Corporations-run) W3C | Techrights [16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The W3C and Fake Authority | Techrights [16:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/03/08/jeff-jaffe-w3c-workgroup/ [16:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/08/28/html-working-group-impact/ [16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | W3C Poisoned by Promoters of Software Patents Who Attack GNU/Linux | Techrights [16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Detoxicated from Microsoft Influence, But Regains Microsoft and Apple Presence | Techrights [16:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/04/26/w3c-iso-lesson-xaml-ooxml/ [16:29] schestowitz https://techrights.org/2010/11/20/msft-and-sql92-level-sqllite/ [16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsofts Death Row of Standards and Why W3C Must Be Careful | Techrights [16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Allegation: W3C (Microsoft) Kills Web SQL | Techrights [16:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/05/03/apple-msft-pr-swpat-standard/ [16:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Behind the Open Codec FUD Attack, W3C Captured by Microsoft, Apple, Nokia and So On? | Techrights [16:30] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2011/07/10/casting-shadow-on-w3c/ [16:30] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Developers Against Patents to Start Attacking Patent Trolls; World Wide Web Threatened by Apple Patents | Techrights [16:31] Techrights-sec Yes, Google, Facebook, and the others were ignoring the W3C by then and [16:31] Techrights-sec walking all over the standards. [16:31] schestowitz-TR2 I will make a wiki page to spare time searching next time :-) [16:37] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium [16:37] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | World Wide Web Consortium - Techrights [16:38] schestowitz-TR2 one day we might need to refoctor and improve the wiki, it's just taking a lot of time and thinking how to do it right [16:39] Techrights-sec The method works well in the beginning but does not scale over size or time. [16:39] Techrights-sec "tags" are the way to go, but that includes going back and adding [16:39] Techrights-sec keywords to older relevant stories. [16:40] schestowitz some tags are short lived, relevance is hard to foresee e.g. http://techrights.org/category/astrum/ and "OSDL" [16:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Astrum | Techrights [16:41] Techrights-sec Yes, keywords come and go, but at least new ones are easy to add and the [16:41] Techrights-sec existence of irrelevant ones does not interfere with retrieval using [16:41] Techrights-sec the new ones. [16:42] schestowitz-TR2 you end up with a whole sea of them, fragmented with overlaps [16:52] Techrights-sec yes, but that can be managed [16:52] Techrights-sec and it does help if there is a little curation of the keywords over time [16:52] Techrights-sec with occasional refactoring [16:52] Techrights-sec but the effort needed is much less in scale and frequency as opposed to the [16:52] Techrights-sec list-based approach [16:52] Techrights-sec some databases keep the number and topic range limited for just that reason ● Oct 28 [17:21] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:50] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@dvmi6ne65iara.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [19:36] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:40] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [20:30] *leah has quit (connection closed) [20:30] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [21:30] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 28 [22:28] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@dvmi6ne65iara.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [23:33] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [23:34] *psydroid3 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:46] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:56] *acer-box (~acer-box@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:56] *schestowitz-TR2 has quit (connection closed) [23:58] *leah has quit (connection closed) [23:58] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [23:58] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@vdmqgidp8w2zy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell