●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 28, 2022 ●● ● Oct 28 [00:14] *_Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [00:14] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-rk5.hi8.f90g06.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [01:48] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:58] *parsifal has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Oct 28 [03:32] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@3nswnpk6maifi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [05:06] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:06] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:09] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@3nswnpk6maifi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:09] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:14] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [05:14] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [05:19] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [05:19] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@s9xek7hahrdji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [06:25] *starstreak has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Oct 28 [07:19] schestowitz-TR2 did I miss anything? [07:53] techrights-sec[2] nothing missed except a heads up about maintenance########################## [07:53] techrights-sec[2] startpage, however, had moved to requiring javascript a few days ago and as of [07:53] techrights-sec[2] today blocks most functionality (at least from GNU/Linux) [07:53] techrights-sec[2] There were ways past it until a few days ago. [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 weird. I thought it had moved to requiring it like 4-5 years ago [07:53] schestowitz-TR2 quite a day in wall street! [07:54] techrights-sec[2] I don't follow LARPing or LARPers, so what happened to the LARPers? aka wallstreet [07:55] schestowitz-TR2 companies are re-adjusting to their real value [07:55] schestowitz-TR2 some close shop, accepting their fate [07:56] techrights-sec[2] closing shop is too good for many of them :( [07:57] schestowitz-TR2 the clown-first company is still firing "azure" workers (it's just a label) [07:58] techrights-sec[2] That firing should be highlighted, to counter the bullshit they spew about [07:58] techrights-sec[2] their over-priced, underpowered, unreliable hosting services. [07:58] techrights-sec[2] Ok [07:58] schestowitz-TR2 I already did a mention of this the other day [07:58] schestowitz-TR2 in TR quick blog post ● Oct 28 [08:25] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:33] techrights-sec[2] How much of the "revenue" attributed to azure is simply the result of [08:33] techrights-sec[2] transferring line items from other parts of the budget? [08:33] techrights-sec[2] ^ topic ? [08:33] schestowitz-TR2 the problem is, I don't have enough info [08:33] schestowitz-TR2 also,we don't know real numbers [08:33] schestowitz-TR2 laid off, losses [08:33] schestowitz-TR2 the media just parrots liars ● Oct 28 [09:11] techrights-sec[2] ack [09:11] techrights-sec[2] what about these clowns: https://uapi-group.org/ [09:11] techrights-sec[2] ? [09:11] techrights-sec[2] microsoft and amazon == drm [09:11] techrights-sec[2] automated links are not available today, may take a while [09:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-uapi-group.org | The Linux Userspace API (UAPI) Group | The Linux Userspace API Group [09:13] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:13] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 are you rebuiilding a system? [09:13] schestowitz-TR2 that uapi site looks unsavoury [09:15] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:15] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:17] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [09:18] schestowitz-TR2 are you rebuiilding a system? [09:18] schestowitz-TR2 that uapi site looks unsavoury [09:28] schestowitz-TR2 BREAKING: trip canceled, aunt covid-positive [09:28] techrights-sec[2] :( [09:35] *rianne (~rianne@pq3xyyer8mdca.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:35] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-ju7.5tu.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:35] *liberty_box (~liberty@pq3xyyer8mdca.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:55] schestowitz the ticket (rail) is lost, but they can't tell if she travels or not (no "app"), so that's a plaus [09:55] schestowitz contigency: weekend rider (friday 6am-monday 1am unlimited rides in all stations, starting this evening) https://tfgm.com/public-transport/tram/ticket-prices/zones/4?search=/public-transport/tram/ticket-prices [09:55] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tfgm.com | Tram ticket prices | Transport for Greater Manchester [09:56] schestowitz the trams are mostly empty in weekends and we can clock about 5 hours on the tram, going places to see places while the weather is mild here (14-16 degrees in daytime) [09:58] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:58] techrights-sec[2] ack [09:59] schestowitz-TR2 she took days off work, dressed up, tidied up the home etc. [09:59] schestowitz-TR2 so it's a nice fallback (my idea) [09:59] schestowitz-TR2 we'll go to trafford centre area tonight, a new line that only opened recrntly and we never went to ● Oct 28 [10:01] schestowitz-TR2 when the gov treats covid-19 like something that doesn't matter [10:01] schestowitz-TR2 while (as noted several times in irc yesterday) about 9000 EXTRA deaths are [10:01] schestowitz-TR2 registered in england and wales each month [10:30] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:50] *matteobin (~matteobin@kj2tm25anmbqs.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [11:02] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:07] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:10] schestowitz-TR2 checking trails for sat and sun [11:10] schestowitz-TR2 the tram system has about 150 stations [11:10] schestowitz-TR2 this makes it easier to get around [11:10] schestowitz-TR2 even just to nature [11:10] schestowitz-TR2 at a low cost of 6.80pp for 3 days [11:10] schestowitz-TR2 don't want to do much indoors [11:10] schestowitz-TR2 taking advantage of warm winter period [11:10] schestowitz-TR2 so might be afk a lot [11:12] matteobin I'll be in London in two weeks. I hope the weather will be decent. [11:13] schestowitz-TR2 matteobin: if you come up north near manchester,let us know [11:13] schestowitz-TR2 techrights-sec[2]: [11:13] schestowitz-TR2 oh! now I see where ciaran is! [11:13] schestowitz-TR2 from fsf... now "Member for: 1 month" in JOINUP [11:13] schestowitz-TR2 good stuff [11:13] schestowitz-TR2 he looks a lot older now, shaved his head [11:13] schestowitz-TR2 Org: "OpenForum Europe" [11:13] schestowitz-TR2 that's very LF- and ICBM-aligned [11:13] schestowitz-TR2 but at least he still advocated FOSS [11:13] schestowitz-TR2 I see he is active in the joinup site this past month [11:13] schestowitz-TR2 I did wonwder where ha had vanished [11:16] techrights-sec[2] checking [11:16] techrights-sec[2] https://static.fsf.org/fsforg/rss/news.xml [11:16] techrights-sec[2] https://static.fsf.org/fsforg/rss/blogs.xml [11:16] techrights-sec[2] oh [11:16] techrights-sec[2] checking joinup now [11:16] schestowitz-TR2 how do you check the site for updates [11:16] schestowitz-TR2 I spke to Gjives of whatever his name was [11:16] schestowitz-TR2 after they had changed drupal and killed off the rss feeds [11:16] schestowitz-TR2 I am trying to find rss feeds at the moment [11:16] schestowitz-TR2 no success so far [11:16] schestowitz-TR2 (I meant joinup, not fsf) [11:16] schestowitz-TR2 fsf has done too little lately [11:16] schestowitz-TR2 but I think due to attacks on them [11:16] schestowitz-TR2 I hope we can prevent the same being done to us one day [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 joinuo [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 page source: no mention of xml, feed, rss [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 there is, however, TWO linked at LINKEDIN at the bottom right [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 yuck! [11:18] schestowitz-TR2 and they seem to be (still) using drupal because it is belgian [11:19] techrights-sec[2] joinup has no feed, it has to be checked manually: [11:19] techrights-sec[2] https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/keep-up-to-date#solr_number_results [11:19] techrights-sec[2] Drupal has a feed plugin perhaps if you also write them askingfor it to be [11:19] techrights-sec[2] added they will add it. [11:19] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Resolving timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/keep-up-to-date#solr_number_results ) [11:21] schestowitz-TR2 rianne and I asked (by email) like 8 years ago [11:21] schestowitz-TR2 they said they'd look into it [11:21] schestowitz-TR2 but nothing came out opf it [11:21] schestowitz-TR2 prior to that they had offered rss feeds [11:21] schestowitz-TR2 rianne found stuff and linked to hellenius or whatever his surname was a lot [11:21] schestowitz-TR2 he was reading TM while running JoinUp [11:21] schestowitz-TR2 I've not seen his name for ages [11:21] schestowitz-TR2 ciaran seems quirte active now [11:21] schestowitz-TR2 he did some fine with with rms, focusing on swpats [11:21] schestowitz-TR2 including but not only eu/epo [11:21] schestowitz-TR2 lots of TR overlap [11:22] techrights-sec[2] They have no contect information though [11:22] techrights-sec[2] https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/event/innersource-summit-2022 [11:22] techrights-sec[2] :( [11:22] techrights-sec[2] They seem to be pushing Slack (the proprietary one not Slack as in Slackware) [11:22] techrights-sec[2] and M$ Teams and such. [11:22] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Resolving timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/event/innersource-summit-2022 ) [11:23] schestowitz-TR2 nobody is perfect, there is only one EU. I'd rather ignore this, mock this, and look for the better activity [11:23] schestowitz-TR2 and encourage that with linking [11:23] matteobin schestowitz-TR2: I'll be only in London for an adventure/narrative games exposition, just a couple of days. [11:24] schestowitz-TR2 i see [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 sorry, we don't travel outside manchester these days [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 since 2020 [11:25] matteobin Becuase of COVID? [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 rianne just canceled a trip [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 yes, COVID [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 her aunt told us this morning she contracted it [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 trip canceled [11:25] schestowitz-TR2 yorkshire [11:26] matteobin I would like to visit York in the future, where there's Revolution Software office. [11:26] matteobin And then I would love to visit Scotland. [11:27] matteobin I've been to Ireland, I loved it. I'm not a big city guy. I prefer small rural towns and nature. [11:27] matteobin Is Manchester very big? [11:28] matteobin Let me known if you plan to visit Italy/Tuscany. [11:28] schestowitz-TR2 greater manchester is very big [11:28] schestowitz-TR2 we plan to do many trips this weekend [11:28] schestowitz-TR2 it's warn [11:28] schestowitz-TR2 for winter, super-warm [11:29] schestowitz-TR2 rianne took dayys off work, tidies up house etc. [11:29] schestowitz-TR2 for the trip that's now canceled [11:29] schestowitz-TR2 in nature, even walking is nice exercise [11:29] schestowitz-TR2 and lots of trails to check, we're going though a survey of some atm [11:30] matteobin Nice! I love hiking. [11:30] schestowitz-TR2 but this is a rare chance [11:30] schestowitz-TR2 winter will get cold soon [11:30] schestowitz-TR2 and some leaves are still on some trees [11:30] matteobin Does Rianne work in IT too? [11:31] schestowitz-TR2 same job and company as me [11:31] matteobin Here there are not dead leaves yet! [11:31] matteobin It's like spring. [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 is is north os south? [11:34] schestowitz-TR2 *is it [11:35] matteobin Centre, I live in Tuscany, near Florence. https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/41977 [11:35] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.openstreetmap.org | Relation: Toscana (41977) | OpenStreetMap [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 nice [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 i wish I could live somewhere like this [11:36] schestowitz-TR2 economically it is harder there [11:37] schestowitz-TR2 a close friend of mine was from there before he left manchester [11:37] schestowitz-TR2 gianluca [11:37] matteobin Where I live? Really? I wouldn't have guessed it. Maybe it's because I've always lived here. [11:38] schestowitz-TR2 his family had worked abroad in dubai [11:38] schestowitz-TR2 but like many students he came here for education [11:38] schestowitz-TR2 was around cambridge last I spoke to him [11:38] matteobin I like where I live. I really like Italy. [11:38] schestowitz-TR2 did his phd there [11:38] matteobin Well it's not Dubai, but Tuscany is a great place to live. [11:39] schestowitz-TR2 many italians travel for the money [11:39] schestowitz-TR2 us, uk, even gulf states [11:39] schestowitz-TR2 not sure they find happiness [11:39] schestowitz-TR2 but some find more money [11:39] matteobin I think life is cheaper than in London. [11:39] schestowitz-TR2 not the same [11:40] schestowitz-TR2 yes, but many high-paying jobs are in the big cities [11:40] schestowitz-TR2 and i reckon milan is very expensive to live in [11:40] schestowitz-TR2 but have not checked [11:40] matteobin Yeah, sure, in Italy you won't get rich working in IT. [11:40] matteobin However I would not like to do those jobs that might make you rich. [11:40] schestowitz-TR2 many chase the high salaries and pay a lot of those in rent fees [11:41] matteobin Milan is a bit more like London. [11:41] schestowitz-TR2 my salary is very small [11:41] schestowitz-TR2 but the job is easy [11:41] matteobin How much, if I may? [11:41] schestowitz-TR2 26.5k/year [11:42] techrights-sec[2] So I guess the shift might be due to hellenius having moved on [11:43] schestowitz-TR2 techrights-sec[2]: [11:43] schestowitz-TR2 yes, but he must still be around somewhere. I cannot recall how to sell his name [11:43] schestowitz-TR2 just how it sounds [11:43] schestowitz-TR2 some flemmish [11:46] matteobin Is that without tax? That's more than I get! :D [11:47] schestowitz-TR2 before tax [11:47] schestowitz-TR2 but tax is not high at those band [11:47] schestowitz-TR2 most of national insurance (health) [11:47] schestowitz-TR2 techrights-sec[2]: [11:47] schestowitz-TR2 can you confirm new "merged" file compared to previous merged file is just the same sans the automated? [11:47] schestowitz-TR2 (thanks in advance, don't wanna miss anything) [11:47] matteobin I get about 1400 without tax. [11:47] techrights-sec[2] yes [11:47] techrights-sec[2] the new one has the automated links or at least should [11:47] techrights-sec[2] the old one was missing the links [11:48] schestowitz-TR2 matteobin: how is the job? [11:48] schestowitz-TR2 hard? [11:48] schestowitz-TR2 challenging? [11:48] schestowitz-TR2 fun? [11:48] schestowitz-TR2 some work from home? [11:48] schestowitz-TR2 nice colleagues? [11:48] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [11:51] matteobin The job is easy. Some collegues are nice. [11:51] matteobin I work from home 3/5 days per week. [11:51] matteobin I get a lot of time to do my stuff. [11:51] matteobin But I would like to change it, because it's not ethical. [11:51] schestowitz-TR2 good [11:51] matteobin It's hard to get GNU jobs in Italy. [11:51] schestowitz-TR2 sounds simialr to me [11:52] matteobin I'm not interested in money very much. [11:52] matteobin I would like to make 1500/1600 oer month, but that's about it. [11:52] schestowitz-TR2 which part of the job do you deem unethical? [11:52] schestowitz-TR2 I was planning to leave my jobs this year [11:52] matteobin All of it! :D [11:52] schestowitz-TR2 and had big arguments with my bosses [11:52] schestowitz-TR2 but they became quite apologetic [11:52] matteobin I am a full stack web developer. [11:52] schestowitz-TR2 so for now I'm still there [11:53] matteobin We make crap websites with WordPress and we develop a web management software. [11:53] schestowitz-TR2 techrights-sec[2]: [11:53] schestowitz-TR2 todo (notes): find out wth is going on with 1) layoffs at MSFT 2) losses (WHICH divisions? what they hide...) [11:53] schestowitz-TR2 until I know what's "open secret" a video or article would be of little value IMHO [11:53] schestowitz-TR2 when I researched this a week ago I found out azure had layoffs again [11:53] schestowitz-TR2 and some insider said they had FOUR waves of layoffs this year [11:53] schestowitz-TR2 but that is not verified (by me) [11:53] schestowitz-TR2 seems like 'hearsay' [11:53] schestowitz-TR2 matteobin: wordpress is not too bad [11:54] matteobin We use a lot of Microsoft stuff. [11:54] schestowitz-TR2 which part is not ethical? [11:54] schestowitz-TR2 ah [11:54] schestowitz-TR2 microsoft stuff [11:54] schestowitz-TR2 I refuse to do that [11:54] schestowitz-TR2 some charity in africa wanted me to volunteer [11:54] schestowitz-TR2 and then I found out it was loads of microsoft crap [11:54] schestowitz-TR2 and bailed out [11:55] matteobin Well it wouldn't be too bad if we weren't using visual composers full of shit JS. [11:55] schestowitz-TR2 that is what wordpress has become [11:55] schestowitz-TR2 in recent vesrsions, starting ariund v4.x [11:55] schestowitz-TR2 reactjs and crap [11:56] matteobin I have to use Windows because of our core business. [11:56] schestowitz-TR2 that sucks [11:56] matteobin Most of our software runs on Windows, crappy management software. [11:57] matteobin Sometimes I make customisations to those. [11:57] matteobin It's a compromise. [11:57] schestowitz-TR2 I'd like to have offered a referral for you [11:57] schestowitz-TR2 but I don't know companies that hire atm [11:57] schestowitz-TR2 I know many that shrink [11:57] schestowitz-TR2 let me put it like this [11:57] schestowitz-TR2 2020: many jobs work from home [11:58] schestowitz-TR2 2021: businesses reopening, temptation to leave [11:58] matteobin At least I dual boot Debian and they know I'm very versed in Free Software. [11:58] schestowitz-TR2 2022: businesses collapsing [11:58] schestowitz-TR2 so even all those "work from home" jobs are getting harder to find again [11:58] matteobin It's no problem really. It's hard for all of us FOSS guys. I'll manage to find something else. [11:58] matteobin Thanks anyway. :) [11:58] schestowitz-TR2 set aside how they want to herd workers back into "offices" (cages of metal and glass) [11:59] matteobin There are good things about my job too. [11:59] matteobin You are right. The next years will surely be interesting. ● Oct 28 [12:00] schestowitz-TR2 yes, and inflation... [12:00] schestowitz-TR2 it's getting harder to find discounts, even though we're very good at it [12:05] techrights-sec[2] ack [12:09] *parsifal (~parsifal@8vte7vm6885eu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:21] matteobin Lunch! [12:21] *matteobin has quit (Quit: leaving) [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 very interetsed in news about twitter [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 I know from the inside only as a user [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 seeing it collapse is like watching the scene of an accident [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 can't look away [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 reminds me a lot of lee coming to "save" freenode [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 for "free speech" [12:55] techrights-sec[2] ack [12:55] schestowitz-TR2 Twitter is going to die ... soon (already getting a LOT smaller) https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/27/why-is-elon-musk-taking-twitter-private/ | Source: Scheerpost [12:55] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Why is Elon Musk Taking Twitter Private? - scheerpost.com [12:57] techrights-sec[2] one can hope that musk accelerates that event [12:58] schestowitz-TR2 "hurry up, you SOB!" ● Oct 28 [13:26] techrights-sec[2] ack [13:39] schestowitz-TR2 Desperation? https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/28/we-need-you-in-our-corner/ | Source: Counter Punch [13:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-We Need You in Our Corner - CounterPunch.org [13:41] schestowitz-TR2 I feel like they still do a decent job [13:41] schestowitz-TR2 even better than commondreams [13:41] schestowitz-TR2 which I checked in the is site [13:41] schestowitz-TR2 you asked about fsf [13:41] schestowitz-TR2 I think better save the money for our own needs [13:41] schestowitz-TR2 so that like counterpunch we can reach 28 years [13:41] schestowitz-TR2 2035 [13:49] techrights-sec[2] ack [13:52] schestowitz-TR2 to put it bluntly [13:52] schestowitz-TR2 fsf nmeeds to start some actual campaigns [13:52] schestowitz-TR2 not use the money it collects to just pay the salary to the people who fail to start very important [13:52] schestowitz-TR2 campaigns [13:52] schestowitz-TR2 I can think of a dozen diffeent issues on which an fsf campaign would help [13:52] schestowitz-TR2 even just by virtue of existing on the site [13:52] schestowitz-TR2 Ihave not seen a highpriorityu list of project on the fsf site for eyars [13:52] schestowitz-TR2 what they do all day long... I don't know ● Oct 28 [14:17] *matteobin (~matteobin@kj2tm25anmbqs.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:25] techrights-sec[2] ack [14:25] techrights-sec[2] They can't ride on past glory very long if at all [14:25] techrights-sec[2] longer [14:25] techrights-sec[2] They've already given every appearance of coasting for a while now. [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 every campaign will [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 make you allies [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 make you enemies [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 that's just how it is [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 becoming indebted to people's will can paralyse [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 i remember bad vista or "7 sins" [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 and how a few people online said fsf had gone "negative" [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 since then there has been too soft an attitude [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 also dbd (formerly by jgay) is mute [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 not sure what to say except, [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 do something [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 not moving anywhere makes one stagnant [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 they do need to piss off some people [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 I think it was a mattl idea (rms foe) to send hdd to microsoft [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 to ask for windows code [14:31] schestowitz-TR2 it was a dumb stunt imho [14:32] schestowitz-TR2 what message might that send? [14:32] schestowitz-TR2 "fsf wants to set windows free?" [14:32] schestowitz-TR2 btw, geddit (the reddit of gemini) has put links to techrights under the news section [14:32] schestowitz-TR2 pretty amazing given the context [14:32] schestowitz-TR2 we're like one of only 4, and the others are msm gateways [14:32] schestowitz-TR2 geedit is a big deal [14:32] schestowitz-TR2 i only noticed last night [14:40] schestowitz > Hi Roy, [14:40] schestowitz > [14:40] schestowitz > This morning, Garmin announced victory in a patent lawsuit brought by [14:40] schestowitz > Logantree LP in Kansas federal court. After three days of testimony, the [14:40] schestowitz > jury found that Garmins popular smartwatches did not use any of [14:40] schestowitz > Logantrees allegedly patented technology. [14:40] schestowitz > [14:40] schestowitz > A full press release including a comment from Garmin General Counsel [14:40] schestowitz > Andrew Etkind is attached. [14:40] schestowitz > [14:40] schestowitz > Thank you, [14:42] schestowitz --------- [14:52] techrights-sec[2] ack ● Oct 28 [15:13] schestowitz-TR2 Microsoft is a clown-first company. This week: the clown ain't performing. Just bear with us as we try hard to find MOAR things to RE-classify as "CLOWN" [15:42] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [16:08] *matteobin has quit (connection closed) [16:11] techrights-sec[2] They'll have to continue to spin the losses in their clown division as something [16:11] techrights-sec[2] other than what they really are: losses. Twenty years ago the world laughed at [16:11] techrights-sec[2] them for having advertising as their single largest line item. They quickly [16:11] techrights-sec[2] rewrote the next report to hide that by distributing the advertising budget [16:11] techrights-sec[2] throughout the other line items, so advertising in effect is still their [16:11] techrights-sec[2] main business, after lobbying. [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 haha, they are NOT losses [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 THey are INVESTINGF!!! [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 be patient [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 like all those SF 'startups' [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 they are stats... waiting to be "discovered" [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 *stars [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 mitchell wrote that the most money gopes to advertising and shows recent numbers [16:12] schestowitz-TR2 mitchel [16:32] techrights-sec[2] ack [16:32] schestowitz-TR2 leaving home in an hour, priority is cleaning up rss [16:32] schestowitz-TR2 going t [16:32] schestowitz-TR2 o trafford centre [16:32] techrights-sec[2] have a good excursion [16:32] techrights-sec[2] . [16:45] *starstreak has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:46] schestowitz-TR2 of course fsf took advantage of something sort of big happening at twitter [16:46] schestowitz-TR2 to tell people to get OFF twitter [16:47] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:52] *XFaCE has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:52] techrights-sec[2] ack [16:54] *XFaCE (~XFaCE@uzfeivw9fp6ba.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [17:37] *gardener (~d42f8926@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:37] *gardener has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Oct 28 [18:08] psydruid as a "reason" for asking for supporting thunderbird I've mentioned (to microsoft) they've broken support for it [18:08] psydruid what this article and video are about gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/26/outsourced-universities/index.gmi [18:09] psydruid it's complete shambles, because now I can't get e-mails out of that system [18:09] psydruid it's all webmail now [18:22] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@73qz3h2du8uzy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:26] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:30] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@xggm6kdn8vava.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [19:16] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:17] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 28 [22:13] schestowitz-TR2 psydruid: you cannot even keep your data ^_^ [22:13] schestowitz-TR2 you are on rental [22:14] psydruid they implemented this in july [22:15] psydruid not even asking questions or implementing an e-mail server of their own [22:15] psydruid as if microsoft's take on e-mail is the last word ● Oct 28 [23:10] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.it/MSServices_info/status/1586096838708318209#m [23:10] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-MSServices Global (@MSServices_info): "The villain has made a statement Understanding #ThierryBreton : Looking back epilogue #EuropeanUnion #ThierryBreton #EU #Twitter #Europe #USA #America http://techrights.org/2020/03/11/looking-back-at-breton-or-breton-series-epilogue/"|nitter.it [23:11] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.it/MSServices_info/status/1586077162335240192#m [23:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-MSServices Global (@MSServices_info): "Thierry Breton; Say no more! The truth behind a genuine villain. #ThierryBreton #EuropeanUnion #Europe #France #USA #Twitter #ELONMUSK http://techrights.org/2020/03/11/looking-back-at-breton-or-breton-series-epilogue/"|nitter.it [23:11] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.it/HeyoMinion/status/1586054146230480898#m [23:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Fink (@HeyoMinion): "techrights.org/2019/11/19/in"|nitter.it [23:11] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.it/anarchotaoist/status/1585936828242305025#m [23:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nrcHo-toiSt (@anarchotaoist): "techrights.org/2022/10/26/wh"|nitter.it [23:12] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-g6o.3qn.f90g06.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [23:59] *parsifal has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)