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[06:11]	Techrights-sec	restarting httpd
[06:11]	schestowitz-TR	I don't think montastic even noticed, well caught
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[07:12]	Techrights-sec	It was less than 3 minutes but long enough to not just set off the visible alarm
[07:12]	Techrights-sec	but also the audio alarm
[07:12]	Techrights-sec	The http server had completely stopped serving files by then.
[07:12]	Techrights-sec	s/3/8/
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[09:44]	schestowitz-TR	see draft
[09:44]	schestowitz-TR	I was about to post the talk about gemini
[09:44]	schestowitz-TR	then I realised there was a mixup at libreplanet
[09:44]	schestowitz-TR	they put the wrong video in there
[09:44]	schestowitz-TR	not sure if they will noptice and correct this
[09:44]	schestowitz-TR	so I leave it as a draft for now
[09:44]	schestowitz-TR	maybe the talk they link to got 'swapped' over
[09:44]	schestowitz-TR	but if I link to these there is a risk the link would break
[09:44]	schestowitz-TR	once they spot and correct the issue
[09:46]	Techrights-sec	ack
[09:46]	Techrights-sec	The Alevropoulos video is wrong?
[09:46]	Techrights-sec	The bandali post needs a longer more informative summary and the "here" link needs proper text.
[09:46]	schestowitz-TR	no, the one in drafts
[09:47]	Techrights-sec	The material in the Anchor element should be informing about what the link it
[09:47]	Techrights-sec	goes to contains.
[09:48]	schestowitz-TR	I was going to expand, to watch the talk, but then I stopped
[09:48]	schestowitz-TR	it turned out they mixed up the videos last night, 4 hours ago is like 11pm in boston 
[09:49]	Techrights-sec	It's heading towards 5 am there      
[09:49]	schestowitz-TR	the video was uploaded 4-5 horus ago
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[10:02]	Techrights-sec	so if they uploaded it at midnight or thereabouts the people who did so are
[10:02]	Techrights-sec	most likely asleep and will not be up any time soon
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[16:14]	schestowitz-TR	> "Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 activ
[16:14]	schestowitz-TR	e sites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million." https://news
[16:14]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Could not resolve host: news; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://news )
[16:14]	schestowitz-TR	.netcraft.com/archives/2022/03/29/march-2022-web-server-survey.html
[16:15]	schestowitz-TR	> "Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 activ
[16:15]	schestowitz-TR	e sites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million." https://news
[16:15]	schestowitz-TR	.netcraft.com/archives/2022/03/29/march-2022-web-server-survey.html
[16:15]	Techrights-sec	yes, their market share is dimishing rather steadily.  Depending on whether one
[16:15]	Techrights-sec	includes mobile phones and tablets in the metrics, their market share on the 
[16:15]	Techrights-sec	desktop has plummeted.  Annoyingly, because they still have the desktop / laptop
[16:15]	Techrights-sec	OEM monopoly lots of people who should know better assume that they have a 
[16:15]	Techrights-sec	similar presence in all the markets rather than being a no-show in several
[16:15]	Techrights-sec	and pathetically weak in the rest.
[16:16]	schestowitz-TR	we have more freesw challenged than ever before
[16:16]	schestowitz-TR	libreopffice covers a broad range of issues
[16:16]	schestowitz-TR	that I could noot explain myself
[16:16]	schestowitz-TR	I still wait for the mediagolbin admin
[16:16]	schestowitz-TR	to correct the link to the smolweb talk
[16:17]	Techrights-sec	the netcraft survey points out the problem of cloudflare, too
[16:17]	Techrights-sec	I plan to listen to that talk if the link gets updated
[16:17]	Techrights-sec	"""
[16:17]	Techrights-sec	Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 active s
[16:17]	Techrights-sec	ites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million.
[16:17]	Techrights-sec	"""
[16:17]	Techrights-sec	Losing >7% of the sites, but which kind of site ?  Parked, or top million, or   
[16:18]	Techrights-sec	what?
[16:18]	schestowitz-TR	i did 3 or 4 very lengthy videos about netcraft, some over an hour long
[16:18]	schestowitz-TR	I covered all those aspects, even several times over 
[16:18]	schestowitz-TR	parked aside, numbere of servers is a misleading metric
[16:18]	schestowitz-TR	we both know why
[16:19]	Techrights-sec	yes, that's why it is important to ignore the parked domains
[16:20]	schestowitz-TR	those are opposites actually  
[16:20]	schestowitz-TR	for parked, number of domains is misleading
[16:20]	schestowitz-TR	for sites, noumber of servers
[16:20]	schestowitz-TR	as Windows needs more boxes the accomplish the same
[16:20]	schestowitz-TR	so it can sem more dominant than it actually is
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR	assuming north korea hots some web servers not accessible outside the country,
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR	the likelihood of those running windows os similar is 0 or minus :-)
[16:22]	Techrights-sec	yes, there are many windows servers per single domain even
[16:22]	Techrights-sec	giving a false impression
[16:22]	Techrights-sec	on top of that, a bad problem, is the number of assholes^Wwindows admins needed
[16:22]	Techrights-sec	to operate those machines.  There are /so/ many situations where the
[16:22]	Techrights-sec	asshole^Wwindows admin has to be physically on side to do softare and system
[16:22]	Techrights-sec	maintenance
[16:23]	schestowitz-TR	not joking here,
[16:23]	schestowitz-TR	iirc, some years back there were repports about microsofters staying and sleeping
[16:23]	schestowitz-TR	on site, literally
[16:23]	schestowitz-TR	I think when lockdowns started
[16:23]	schestowitz-TR	the unix folks could go home and ssh
[16:23]	schestowitz-TR	microsoft has a whole different set of challenges
[16:24]	Techrights-sec	yes, but managers love that situation, especially petty empire builders
[16:24]	Techrights-sec	M$ is a staffing problem not a technology
[16:26]	Techrights-sec	M$ "servers" require frequent heroic efforts to get running and bring them
[16:26]	Techrights-sec	back up after frequent outages, instead of punishing the staff or managers
[16:26]	Techrights-sec	they are patted on the  back for effort.  Whereas with UNIX a small number of 
[16:26]	Techrights-sec	staff can keep several orders of magnitude more servers and desktops running
[16:26]	Techrights-sec	for less effort.  Yet get no recognition for using the technology as a force
[16:26]	Techrights-sec	multiplier.  GNU/Linux and the UNIXes do not help build empires out of 
[16:26]	Techrights-sec	pissant departments.  
[16:32]	Techrights-sec	also the UNIXes follow a written tradition with documentation and all
[16:32]	Techrights-sec	the M$ shit is a jumbled hodgepodge of irrelevant and wrong descriptions
[16:32]	Techrights-sec	the only way to get things running is to be indoctrinated orally and that
[16:32]	Techrights-sec	allows them to apply a defacto loyalty test in the process.  If you run other
[16:32]	Techrights-sec	systems, they won't pass on as much as is needed or may not any at all.  
[16:33]	Techrights-sec	 netcraft *hates* self hosting
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR	wrong
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR	the Web hates iot
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR	the browser hates it
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR	the government hates it
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR	etc etc
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR	netcraft is just part of that
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR	I say, let's move away from the web
[16:34]	schestowitz-TR	to the extent feasible
[16:34]	Techrights-sec	yeah netcraft is just following along, I noticed they stopped providing OS      
[16:34]	Techrights-sec	information once it was seen that M$ was not relevant in the server market
[16:34]	Techrights-sec	for the most part
[16:34]	schestowitz-TR	i think you can still see it or could when I last checked
[16:35]	Techrights-sec	there is a little of it left but nowhere near as accessible or as prominent
[16:35]	Techrights-sec	as a long time ago when it was a main part of each report
[16:35]	schestowitz-TR	are you sure you are not conflating this with their monthly most reliable hosts report, where top 10 is usually all gnu/linux an
[16:35]	schestowitz-TR	d maybe 1 freebsd?
[16:36]	Techrights-sec	not conflating, there used to be OS info in the montly reports too
[16:36]	schestowitz-TR	can you check the archives they have?
[16:36]	schestowitz-TR	it would be funny to show windows falling and fallking
[16:36]	schestowitz-TR	and then the OS thing dropped altogether
[16:36]	schestowitz-TR	it would make a strong point in visual terms
[16:39]	Techrights-sec	there's not a consistend naming scheme for the URLs 
[16:39]	Techrights-sec	It looks like it may only go back to 2007.  The 2007 Feb survey as a link to
[16:39]	Techrights-sec	Sept 2002, but that link is dead:
[16:39]	Techrights-sec	https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2007/02/02/february_2007_web_server_survey.html
[16:39]	Techrights-sec	http://survey.netcraft.com/index-200209.html
[16:39]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | February 2007 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News
[16:39]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | Web Server Survey | Netcraft News
[16:39]	schestowitz-TR	internet archive?
[16:39]	Techrights-sec	as are the platform groupings: 
[16:39]	Techrights-sec	http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/200702/platform.html
[16:39]	Techrights-sec	even from 2007
[16:41]	schestowitz-TR	as i remembered it, they focused on the server software and not OS in these reports
[16:41]	schestowitz-TR	2007
[16:42]	Techrights-sec	correct but the OS was featured more to hype M$
[16:43]	schestowitz-TR	try wayback machine?
[16:43]	schestowitz-TR	to make the point?
[16:43]	schestowitz-TR	oh, beat me to it
[16:43]	Techrights-sec	https://web.archive.org/web/20060326073803/http://survey.netcraft.com/index-200209.html
[16:43]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Netcraft Web Server Survey
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR	so this old report does not show OS over time
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR	it does mention solaris along the way
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR	in an unflattering way
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR	even in recent years the OS used was shown for pertinent sites
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR	but with CDNs and reverse proxies it as hard to figure out what
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR	really ran sites
[16:45]	schestowitz-TR	sometimes you can guess, but wrongly
[16:46]	Techrights-sec	The "What's that Site Running?" service also used to feature OS reports IIRC
[16:46]	Techrights-sec	https://web.archive.org/web/20060101000000*/http://survey.netcraft.com/whats
[16:46]	Techrights-sec	Netcraft increasingly shifted the content and bias of their reports to boost M$
[16:46]		-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Wayback Machine
[16:47]	Techrights-sec	they changed URLs for the service at least once
[16:48]	schestowitz-TR	you could go to top level domain in AI and then navigate from there to find it
[16:48]	schestowitz-TR	I only started paying attention to netcraft around 2006
[16:48]	schestowitz-TR	or 2005 rather
[16:49]	Techrights-sec	that's around the time I stopped and gave up on Netcraft
[16:49]	Techrights-sec	They did not appear to like that Apache was close to 80% of the market
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR	those firms are like palamida
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR	or black duck
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR	their interests are not what they want you to trhink
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR	like tracking gplv3 adoption
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR	for them to profit they need a partner
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR	or to become a shill
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR	like redmonk the |analysts|
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR	so when I asked rms about palamida in 2007 he said
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR	to me he was dismissive because
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR	he would not trust their motivation
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR	in retrospect he was right
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR	iirc, they're now in the 'LF camp'
[16:51]	schestowitz-TR	under an entity which absorbed palamida
[16:52]	Techrights-sec	they're just mouthpieces for redmond
[16:52]	Techrights-sec	LF sucks and has nothing (positive) to do with Linux
[16:52]	schestowitz-TR	wait til zemlin and greg issue a press release condemning microsoft bribery
[16:52]	schestowitz-TR	I'd be all bones before that happens
[16:53]	Techrights-sec	it wouldn't happen even then
[16:53]	schestowitz-TR	the norwegian windows shop has just joined oin
[16:53]	schestowitz-TR	oink oink
[16:54]	schestowitz-TR	maybe they will even move to linux *gasp*
[16:55]	Techrights-sec	I wonder what that move was about
[16:55]	Techrights-sec	it must be way to promote sw patents
[16:55]	schestowitz	"Open Invention Network (OIN), the organization formed to safeguard open source software (OSS) and the largest patent non-aggression community in history, announced today that A. P. Mller Mrsk A/S (Maersk) has joined as a community member. Maersk is a leading integrated container logistics company and the global leader in shipping services, operating in more than 130 countries. As a user of open source, Maersk considers OSS an enabler of 
[16:55]	schestowitz	advanced supply chain management platforms."
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR	"supply chain"
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR	"user"
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR	"generated"
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR	"supply chain"
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR	"sheep"
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR	"livestock"
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR	"content"
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR	"protestware"
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR	(malware from Microsoft servers)
[16:57]	schestowitz-TR	"it's NOT malware, it's a protest... because RUSHANS BAD BAD BAD... and it's the fault of open source, not the Microsoft "Services"..."
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[17:01]	Techrights-sec	ack
[17:01]	Techrights-sec	yes, the press' current lies / misdirections / distractions from M$
[17:01]	Techrights-sec	The last decades of severe problems get brushed under the rug as somehow
[17:01]	Techrights-sec	unavoidable and normal
[17:02]	schestowitz-TR	could do an article, There's No "Protestware", It's Code Word For Malware From Microsot
[17:02]	schestowitz-TR	but I can't be botheredf
[17:02]	schestowitz-TR	I am waiting for libreplanet to fix the error so I can watch the darn video
[17:03]	Techrights-sec	do you have any contacts there who are admins or know the admins?
[17:03]	schestowitz-TR	yes, but I would need to start the gngine on some bloat called thunderbird for that
[17:03]	schestowitz-TR	I hope they will spot tehrir own error or he himself will report it to them
[17:04]	Techrights-sec	ack
[17:04]	schestowitz-TR	a lot of these vids are skeletal
[17:04]	schestowitz-TR	they do not advertise them yet
[17:04]	schestowitz-TR	and some lack description, proper urls etc.
[17:05]	schestowitz-TR	it's "under construction" still
[17:05]	schestowitz-TR	I saw many other missing bits
[17:22]	Techrights-sec	ack
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[19:06]	schestowitz-TR	w00t
[19:06]	schestowitz-TR	they fixed it for us
[19:06]	schestowitz-TR	btw, be sure to wactch the talk about taking back the web
[19:06]	schestowitz-TR	
[19:06]	schestowitz-TR	it is good 
[19:06]	schestowitz-TR	he mentions how www ruins email
[19:06]	schestowitz-TR	and mntionals bandali's talki at 18:55
[19:06]	schestowitz-TR	worthn checking out
[19:06]	schestowitz-TR	I will soon start banbdali's talk
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