●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, July 29, 2022 ●● ● Jul 29 [00:43] schestowitz-TR bug notice [00:43] schestowitz-TR in front page, click on Canoninical Says It "Wants.... [00:43] schestowitz-TR You'll see how the link does not work at least in some browsers [00:48] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:48] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:50] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [00:51] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:51] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [00:51] *liberty_box (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 29 [01:42] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:52] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 29 [03:16] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:16] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:17] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Jul 29 [04:21] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:21] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:28] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [04:28] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 29 [05:02] *liberty_box (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:02] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:02] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [05:17] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [05:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:45] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 29 [06:42] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:58] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 29 [07:25] Techrights-sec2 checking [07:25] schestowitz-TR to better understand the new site i've run tail -f | grep -v feed in a terminal [07:25] schestowitz-TR almost 20k hits since going live, partly as it's mentioned in irc [07:25] schestowitz-TR rianne is not yet posting in both [07:26] schestowitz-TR oh, she said on the phoine yesterday that she lives the looks and simplicity of the new sites [07:26] schestowitz-TR *site [07:34] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [07:48] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@3mqrk8fvmfdji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:57] Techrights-sec2 thanks [07:57] Techrights-sec2 there should be a banner mentioning that it is in early alpha stage ● Jul 29 [08:00] schestowitz-TR I was thinking last night, seeing the titles in IRC expansion [08:00] schestowitz-TR we can add " - Tux Machines" [08:00] schestowitz-TR to the end of page titles [08:00] schestowitz-TR maybe for now with "(Alpha)" [08:00] schestowitz-TR and then the same at top of page, but being static means that'll stick later [08:00] schestowitz-TR in the logs, which I see ona screen, you can already see cracking attempts [08:00] schestowitz-TR like weird crafted reqs which make assumptions about the CMS in situ [08:03] Techrights-sec2 ok [08:03] Techrights-sec2 yes there are many cracking attempts from day 1 [08:03] schestowitz-TR welcome to the wold wild west [08:03] schestowitz-TR www [08:06] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:06] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:08] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [08:09] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [08:09] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:18] schestowitz-TR doing post to remind people of uefi assault [08:18] schestowitz-TR mgj hawking irc channel [08:18] schestowitz-TR saw the uefi security blunder [08:18] schestowitz-TR did a post about it [08:18] Techrights-sec2 did he ever answer your question about how to undo the damage he has done to [08:18] Techrights-sec2 FOSS the long term viability of non-M$ operating systems? [08:18] schestowitz-TR still making excuses [08:18] schestowitz-TR lol [08:18] schestowitz-TR mjg59_: he's asking you ^ [08:27] Techrights-sec2 The links now properly escape more troublesome characters [08:27] schestowitz-TR draft [08:27] schestowitz-TR thanks I've noticed, it's in the irc checker [08:30] Techrights-sec2 s/Tries to/Starts to/ [08:30] Techrights-sec2 The summary needs to have a little more information about these new actions, [08:30] Techrights-sec2 just a word or two is enough. IIRC it was Lenovo? [08:30] Techrights-sec2 Yes, but a reminder about what they are ramping up is necessary, links [08:30] Techrights-sec2 don't count ;) [08:30] Techrights-sec2 plain text -- it was good enough for Shakespeare [08:30] schestowitz-TR I will do a followup post about that [08:30] schestowitz-TR and there are two links at the top [08:31] Techrights-sec2 The followup post can go into detail about the current event as well as the [08:31] Techrights-sec2 background, preceding hostile actions. However, just naming Lenovo or whatever [08:31] Techrights-sec2 is important for the summary. [08:37] Techrights-sec2 thanks [08:37] schestowitz-TR multitasking with work, posts, a few more things [08:37] schestowitz-TR I guess you are too [08:37] schestowitz-TR no irc logs yet, yesterday was over 1MB for main channel [08:42] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:44] *rianne_ has quit (connection closed) [08:44] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[09:07] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:07] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:11] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:11] schestowitz-TR marius has got in [09:12] schestowitz-TR he asks mew what the password is [09:12] schestowitz-TR I assume such login method would still work too [09:12] schestowitz-TR and that he can reset his password [09:12] schestowitz-TR but I lean towards telling him to use keys instead [09:12] schestowitz-TR thoughts? [09:12] Techrights-sec2 keys are the way to log in but I can set a password so that later sudo could [09:12] Techrights-sec2 be used for specific configurations [09:14] schestowitz-TR if you set a password for him, maybe put it in his homedir to copy and delere [09:14] schestowitz-TR I'm finishing the work handover now [09:20] Techrights-sec2 I'll put it in a file in his homdir [09:20] Techrights-sec2 ok he has a password now, and he can reset it, but it won't do much since [09:20] Techrights-sec2 for now [09:20] schestowitz-TR thanks! [09:24] schestowitz-TR I've just messaged him (pgp, but I don't trust protonmail, they're like mitm) [09:24] schestowitz-TR I'll try to mention the UEFI thing every day now [09:24] schestowitz-TR to urge for action, or anger that begets some action [09:24] schestowitz-TR the followup post shows why action is not likely [09:24] schestowitz-TR not from orgs and vendors [09:24] schestowitz-TR we have a whole new class of well-paid "clergy" (e.g. stefono) whose job is [09:24] schestowitz-TR to cover up for Microsoft and its crimes [09:24] schestowitz-TR and they cannot do what's right without losing a 6-figure salary [09:26] Techrights-sec2 thanks, the UEFI problm has been allowed to go on far too long without proper [09:26] Techrights-sec2 legal action against M$ and the UEFI team; it's not quite too late but getting [09:26] Techrights-sec2 there given how slow the courts act even on the occasions when they do act [09:27] schestowitz-TR we'll know we make good progress when more people, many people, explain the situation [09:27] schestowitz-TR correctly [09:27] schestowitz-TR that is the vitral role of TR, IMHO [09:27] Techrights-sec2 yes [09:32] Techrights-sec2 with UEFI the damage is already being felt and that seems to be the litmus test [09:32] Techrights-sec2 which courts go by; the only risk is that many judges worship bill and often [09:32] Techrights-sec2 they or their spouses are invested either in the company via stock or as [09:32] Techrights-sec2 resellers [09:32] Techrights-sec2 WSL is to prevent people from running Linux on bare metal, like any other [09:32] Techrights-sec2 M$ product it's not meant to work only give the illusion of it to managers [09:32] Techrights-sec2 with purchasing power, especially those zero-sum-gamers [09:32] schestowitz-TR aard: make the user feel uncoomfrotable [09:32] schestowitz-TR user blames "Linux" [09:32] schestowitz-TR "it's just too hard" [09:33] schestowitz-TR "maybe I'll try WSL or something..." [09:33] schestowitz-TR (notice no coverage of howtos on wsl for months... it's flailing and dying) [09:33] schestowitz-TR resellers like Sheela Microsoft [09:33] schestowitz-TR That's what I've called her lately [09:41] schestowitz-TR OTA, got some near EPO material from the inside [09:52] schestowitz [LSCMN] Report on the LSCMN meeting with VP4 of 12 July 2022 [09:53] schestowitz Dear colleagues, [09:53] schestowitz On 12 July 2022 the Local Staff Committee Munich City, Haar and Brussels (LSCMN) met the Site Manager of Munich City, VP4 Nellie Simon, for the first time in 2022 to discuss a number of prevailing local matters, notably the Bringing Teams Together project and the planned move of the BoA Unit to PH 7 in a virtual meeting which had been scheduled, as had the previous ones last year, for one hour, only. [09:53] schestowitz Since on some topics no progress had been made, we had requested the administration to put them on the agenda again. [09:53] schestowitz The Local Staff Committee Munich City, Haar and Brussels. [09:53] schestowitz Your LSCMN committee ● Jul 29 [10:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 29 [11:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [11:11] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:17] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [11:17] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:41] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:43] Techrights-sec2 Alpine seems to be setting the SetGID bit for the home directories. That [11:43] Techrights-sec2 doesn't seem to matter. But I've removed it from the .ssh directories anyway, [11:43] Techrights-sec2 it can be set back by people if needed later. [11:43] Techrights-sec2 One of the things the courts need to be brought around into seeing is that [11:43] Techrights-sec2 M$ has been planning hardware lock-in for decades and that the lock-in is [11:43] Techrights-sec2 very intentional. [11:43] Techrights-sec2 https://www.technologyreview.com/2002/10/25/234673/the-palladium-paradox/ [11:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.technologyreview.com | The Palladium Paradox | MIT Technology Review [11:45] schestowitz-TR unemployed BS artists who run sites about nutty theorists might have received such training in the past, but working with them would be hard [11:45] schestowitz-TR also, a potential liability [11:45] schestowitz-TR like "phanes", whom I never wanted to associate with [11:45] schestowitz-TR \ [11:50] Techrights-sec2 By the way can you stock authorized_keys in your account before you log out? [11:50] Techrights-sec2 Then before logging out, try logging in with the key? [11:50] Techrights-sec2 ssh-keygen -t ed25519 ... [11:50] Techrights-sec2 ack [11:51] schestowitz-TR will do in a moment, just got fatigued by 6 pages of text redone as HTML [11:51] schestowitz-TR draft [11:51] schestowitz-TR nm [11:51] schestowitz-TR you're away ● Jul 29 [12:26] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:26] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:27] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [12:27] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:32] Techrights-sec2 did key access work? [12:32] schestowitz-TR yes, should I do the same for tuxmachinea and roy [12:32] schestowitz-TR or should I refrain from using one of them? [12:32] schestowitz-TR that mostly depends on default user for db entry and permission/access level I assume [12:32] schestowitz-TR I'm already logged in as root on another machine to observe the attacks on the htdocs space [12:35] Techrights-sec2 yes for both but if possible use the 'roy' account when possible [12:35] Techrights-sec2 it'd be good to turn off remote login for 'tuxmachines' and use su or sudo [12:35] Techrights-sec2 to work in it [12:35] schestowitz-TR rianns should be back in the next hour or less [12:35] schestowitz-TR but has lots of house chores to catch up with [12:35] schestowitz-TR then I'll set up the other accounbt, with her public key in it too [12:35] schestowitz-TR I cannot grab it from her over ssh at the moment [12:35] schestowitz-TR as the machine is in her back pack someplace in Manchester [12:35] schestowitz-TR hibernating [12:36] schestowitz-TR your assumption is correct [12:36] schestowitz-TR btw, video is 130mb in size, still uploading if you want to peek at the draft [12:36] schestowitz-TR I did a second (final) read of it, just waiting for server checksum to show up when done [12:40] schestowitz-TR 19k hits in new TM, but many are the irc checker, among the rest a lot are malicious traffic [12:40] schestowitz-TR a recent (month old ) article complained that a proportion I cannot recall is nowadays [12:40] schestowitz-TR bots [12:40] schestowitz-TR including many malicious ones [12:40] schestowitz-TR that's worse than gemini [12:41] Techrights-sec2 we could add SSHGuard to the mess, it can block some of the return attackers [12:43] Techrights-sec2 despite the anme it covers HTTP [12:43] schestowitz-TR that's another protocll [12:43] schestowitz-TR I'm talking about http/s alone [12:43] schestowitz-TR from apache2 logfiles [12:43] schestowitz-TR we used to run fail2ban on the varnish layer [12:43] schestowitz-TR apropos, with static sites little incentive to run varnish at all [12:46] Techrights-sec2 fail2ban is not up to the same level as sshguard from what I have read in the [12:46] Techrights-sec2 past [12:47] schestowitz-TR I don't care for shit traffic [12:47] schestowitz-TR I'm not twitter faking traffic for showoff [12:47] schestowitz-TR or fake price [12:47] schestowitz-TR also, I don't serve 20 objects per page [12:47] schestowitz-TR my knowledge of iptables and nftables etc. is outdaates [12:47] schestowitz-TR *dated [12:47] schestowitz-TR same for filters like fail2ban [12:47] schestowitz-TR as we have not used that for ages [12:47] schestowitz-TR it was too sensitive [12:47] schestowitz-TR blocked me too at times [12:49] Techrights-sec2 at least with SSHGuard, that can be tuned and has to be configured anyway [12:51] schestowitz-TR now rianne spots all the minor imperfections [12:51] schestowitz-TR from the untrained new recruit [12:51] schestowitz-TR who didn't set the deck of books upright and used thw wrong bin bag etc. ● Jul 29 [13:05] schestowitz-TR I'm assuming links come later, that's fine [13:05] schestowitz-TR friday is slow news anyway [13:05] schestowitz-TR hmm... windows down further in turkey 9.8% [13:05] schestowitz-TR but not a lot below since I laast checked [13:05] schestowitz-TR android 70% [13:05] schestowitz-TR it says finland 40% windows, 11% linux [13:05] schestowitz-TR but likely small sample size [13:05] schestowitz-TR saingapore 17% windoiws, 54% android [13:05] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:05] Techrights-sec2 links on the way [13:11] Techrights-sec2 11% is quite high given what level of search-and-destroy the microsofters [13:11] Techrights-sec2 have carried out in the businesses and colleges which they control [13:11] Techrights-sec2 (which is nearly all of them) that 11% must be private individuals at home [13:11] Techrights-sec2 s/have carried/have been carrying/ [13:11] Techrights-sec2 it's been a 10+ year campaign against general purpose computing [13:11] Techrights-sec2 non-M$ applications are banned from desktops and only M$ operating systems [13:11] Techrights-sec2 are allowed to be connected to the LAN and there is no provision for remote [13:11] Techrights-sec2 connection; the networking is less capable than the 1980s in some ways [13:11] Techrights-sec2 certainly what was in production during the mid to late 1990s was, looking back, [13:11] Techrights-sec2 two to three decades ahead of what is deployed now :/ [13:19] schestowitz-TR draft [13:19] schestowitz-TR fixing [13:20] Techrights-sec2 checking [13:20] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:20] Techrights-sec2 perhaps it should be mentioned that the reason for migrating away from [13:20] Techrights-sec2 M$ are both control and security; furthermore *all* countries can realize [13:20] Techrights-sec2 those benefits by ditching M$ [13:22] schestowitz-TR check again, added caption [13:29] Techrights-sec2 ok [13:29] Techrights-sec2 thanks! [13:29] Techrights-sec2 s/reason/reasons/ [13:29] Techrights-sec2 s/the/The/ [13:29] schestowitz-TR yes, still edited a bit [13:29] schestowitz-TR thanks [13:29] schestowitz-TR added to uefi wiki now [13:29] schestowitz-TR matey and I argue in irc over what's most pressing/urgent [13:29] schestowitz-TR I told him this is [13:29] schestowitz-TR --------------------------- [13:32] schestowitz-TR yes it's not new, and has been allowed to progress to an advanced stage [13:32] schestowitz-TR and harm is already manifesting; given the slowness of the courts any [13:32] schestowitz-TR remediation will take years -- all the while M$, and the OEMs it controls, [13:32] Techrights-sec2 yes it's not new, and has been allowed to progress to an advanced stage [13:32] Techrights-sec2 and harm is already manifesting; given the slowness of the courts any [13:32] Techrights-sec2 remediation will take years -- all the while M$, and the OEMs it controls, [13:32] Techrights-sec2 will progress down this path; their moles in IBM, Canonical, etc will continue [13:32] schestowitz-TR will progress down this path; their moles in IBM, Canonical, etc will continue [13:32] Techrights-sec2 to help them [13:32] schestowitz-TR to help them [13:32] Techrights-sec2 mjg will not be able to work off this bad karma in a single lifetime [13:32] schestowitz-TR mjg will not be able to work off this bad karma in a single lifetime [13:32] schestowitz-TR Work is needed against it, post haste, in the EU and in North America [13:32] Techrights-sec2 Work is needed against it, post haste, in the EU and in North America [13:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:33] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-i33.jp8.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [13:33] *rianne_ (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:36] schestowitz-TR I'll get sdtarted with links [13:36] schestowitz-TR got distracted by work [13:36] schestowitz-TR then irc [13:36] schestowitz-TR than rianne [13:36] schestowitz-TR etc etc. [13:36] schestowitz-TR but I can catch up now [13:36] schestowitz-TR at least the important epo staff (very fresh, new) is out [13:36] schestowitz-TR along with the 33-min video [13:36] schestowitz-TR and we did two posts on uefi issue [13:36] schestowitz-TR as you note, we never tackled the issue, collectively [13:36] schestowitz-TR we let it drag on and on [13:36] schestowitz-TR and now with the rage we need to push for actual action [13:36] schestowitz-TR seeing that microsofty mesanwhile corrupted all those with stake [13:36] schestowitz-TR and with "reputation" to sway legal or regulatory action [13:36] schestowitz-TR this is corruption on many levels [13:36] schestowitz-TR this... is Microsoft [13:36] schestowitz-TR "then they fight you" [13:36] schestowitz-TR they used to ridicule us regarding not being able to tuen off 'secure' boot [13:36] schestowitz-TR this is worse [13:36] schestowitz-TR as they impose it AND they don't accept "approved" Linux [13:36] schestowitz-TR the people who mocked us for it are in prison for fucking children [13:43] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:44] schestowitz-TR people who spend 10 years attacking innocent people are incapable of mea culpa [13:44] schestowitz-TR see his latest post, still shilling [13:44] schestowitz-TR it's an ego problem [13:47] schestowitz-TR one who takes covid19 jabs wants everyone else to do so too [13:48] schestowitz-TR to share the coillective risk [13:48] schestowitz-TR same with therapy [13:48] schestowitz-TR one who visits therapists thinks everybody else should go to one [13:48] schestowitz-TR even if none are needed [13:48] Techrights-sec2 configured nftables on tm now [13:48] Techrights-sec2 ack [13:48] Techrights-sec2 it's about control and making other people eat a bug and declare they didn't like it [13:51] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [13:51] schestowitz-TR apropos, rianne did not contract anything [13:51] schestowitz-TR been 2.5 years and no ibfection here [13:51] schestowitz-TR we still wash and quarantine verything [13:51] schestowitz-TR 1 year ago and 2 years agoi in summer we went to the gym [13:51] schestowitz-TR no mask inside the gym floor (not many people) [13:51] schestowitz-TR but back then there were very very low infection rates (summer) [13:51] schestowitz-TR now it's millions per week or month [13:52] Techrights-sec2 ack ● Jul 29 [14:04] schestowitz-TR with the new git wrappers I can see not just links but both git repos like a notification timeline sliding [14:04] schestowitz-TR with scope of about 4 hours on one screen [14:04] schestowitz-TR inc. summary of changes and which files [14:04] Techrights-sec2 ack [14:04] schestowitz-TR if I can remove dupliate status (lines), that would be the next logical state/step [14:04] schestowitz-TR maybe I'll rewrite it as background process with output to fie [14:04] schestowitz-TR then tail | uniq it [14:31] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:32] schestowitz-TR do the r-bloggers posts belong under Software Patennts [14:32] schestowitz-TR I read the blockquote, not the full thing [14:32] schestowitz-TR but maybe misfiled? [14:33] Techrights-sec2 ack [14:33] Techrights-sec2 probably not, it may have been misfiled [14:33] Techrights-sec2 checking ... [14:33] Techrights-sec2 ... it was misfiled [14:33] Techrights-sec2 both should have been under "software" [14:33] schestowitz-TR thanks, I was gettign worried that they had gone rogue with the name changes [14:33] schestowitz-TR r is very academias-centric [14:33] schestowitz-TR that's why the riminals (microsoft) bought some r orgs/companies [14:33] schestowitz-TR to infiltrate unis [14:33] schestowitz-TR and brionwash CS sudents or students with stats in their course [14:35] schestowitz-TR I missed nothing [14:35] schestowitz-TR I saw what you wrote [14:35] schestowitz-TR you said that yes, Microsoft controls that bunch of r stuff [14:35] schestowitz-TR and that they have it with vengaeance but don't dare say a thing [14:35] schestowitz-TR and then something like as long as they can still sue gnu/linux [14:35] Techrights-sec2 trl-c in wrong window [14:35] schestowitz-TR then ctrl+c [14:35] Techrights-sec2 ack [14:36] schestowitz-TR *use [14:36] schestowitz-TR they leave the sue to microsoft [14:36] schestowitz-TR or its enablers, threatening to sue the people they defame [14:36] schestowitz-TR after attacking Linux [14:39] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:44] Techrights-sec2 yes [14:47] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 29 [15:10] schestowitz-TR ok, now a new line is shown only if the status ot git or daily links changes [15:10] schestowitz-TR watch -t lets me remove the clock [15:10] schestowitz-TR so now I can have the terminal make an alert when changes occur [15:15] Techrights-sec2 cak [15:15] Techrights-sec2 ^ack ● Jul 29 [16:17] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:38] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:38] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:40] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:40] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 29 [17:09] psydruid https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1563/intel-reports-second-quarter-2022-financial-results [17:09] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Intel Reports Second-Quarter 2022 Financial Results :: Intel Corporation (INTC) [17:10] psydruid since the main channel has been taken over [17:12] Techrights-sec2 adjusted hover effects a little on tm [17:12] Techrights-sec2 nftables does not seem to have the ability to age entries out of named sets [17:12] Techrights-sec2 unlike PF [17:13] schestowitz-TR psydruid: :-D [17:13] schestowitz-TR th 'free' market will bail them out [17:14] schestowitz-TR taxpayers won't buy? [17:14] schestowitz-TR force em to pay [17:14] psydruid where? [17:14] psydruid in America? [17:14] psydruid in Europe? [17:14] schestowitz-TR usa [17:14] schestowitz-TR they bail out ther rich [17:14] schestowitz-TR "CHIPS" [17:14] schestowitz-TR "national security" [17:14] schestowitz-TR gifts for the rich [17:15] psydruid I hope they will increase prices a bit more at the start of next year [17:15] schestowitz-TR "Too big to fail' [17:15] psydruid turn the screws a bit more year after year [17:27] Techrights-sec2 ack [17:27] schestowitz-TR psydruid: on the poor [17:27] schestowitz-TR until there is no capital left (to borrow) [17:27] schestowitz-TR all of it is already in offshore bank accounts of the robber class [17:27] schestowitz-TR because "national security" [17:28] schestowitz-TR their offshore bank accounts are your "security" [17:40] schestowitz-TR Ask EFF if people who oppose abortion also have digital rights. Because EFF stepping into politics mostly splits the support base, makes it less effective at achieving its original goals. [17:42] schestowitz-TR This is about inclusion in a software patents racket; they are not "anti-troll group", they include trolls like Microsoft, so AOL now issues paid-for fluff for bad people https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/28/lot-the-big-tech-anti-patent-troll-group-launches-adapt-to-tackle-inclusion-in-the-world-of-ip/ http://techrights.org/2020/03/27/the-lot-network-pa This is about inclusion in a software patents racket; [17:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-LOT, the anti-patent-troll group, launches Adapt to tackle inclusion in the world of IP TechCrunch [17:42] schestowitz-TR they are not "anti-troll group", they include trolls like Microsoft, so AOL now issues paid-for fluff for bad people https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/28/lot-the-big-tech-anti-patent-troll-group-launches-adapt-to-tackle-inclusion-in-the-world-of-ip/ http://techrights.org/2020/03/27/the-lot-network-paper-club/per-club/ [17:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | LOT Network is a One-Man (Millionaires) Operation and Why This Should Alarm You | Techrights [17:42] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2020/03/27/the-lot-network-paper-club/per-club/ ) [17:44] Techrights-sec2 true that [17:44] Techrights-sec2 furthermore they are distracted from their core goals as originally set out [17:44] Techrights-sec2 the model that M$ uses to offload its underwater software patents is worth looking at in detail; [17:46] schestowitz-TR we wrote about a dozen posts about it back then [17:46] schestowitz-TR you describe it incorrectly tbh [17:46] Techrights-sec2 yes, but if it becomes relevant to recent events it can be brought up [17:47] schestowitz-TR "microsoft, what do you sell? [17:47] schestowitz-TR "we sell protection now" [17:51] schestowitz-TR rianne is catching up with the news now [17:51] schestowitz-TR so far nothing 'inflaming' [17:51] schestowitz-TR afaict [17:51] schestowitz-TR and there's got, fresh foot again [17:51] schestowitz-TR *hot [17:51] schestowitz-TR *food [17:51] schestowitz-TR a friend of a friend just died (very young, 40s I think) after a stroke left her in a vegetative state [17:51] schestowitz-TR they say due to stress [17:51] schestowitz-TR she was a nurse IIRC [17:51] schestowitz-TR she only got told this afternoon ● Jul 29 [18:06] Techrights-sec2 On TM, the script /home/git/tuxmachines.org/hooks/update gets run any time [18:06] Techrights-sec2 the repository is updated. That script could call SSH with a locked down key [18:06] Techrights-sec2 to push a notification to your home network. [18:08] schestowitz-TR the way it is set up atm, it checks downstream 12 times an hour [18:08] schestowitz-TR and I get a system bell with details [18:08] schestowitz-TR so it's ok as-is [18:08] schestowitz-TR it does 3 things all in one [18:08] schestowitz-TR maybe more in the future [18:08] schestowitz-TR to reduce the level or frequency of manual polling [18:08] schestowitz-TR e.g. check latest updates in geminispace [18:18] schestowitz-TR how hard would it be to tell tidy not to panic over "&" in the HTML not being "&"? [18:18] Techrights-sec2 there might be setting to fix it automatically [18:22] Techrights-sec2 there is a lot of duplication between the two scripts so at some point the [18:22] Techrights-sec2 common subroutines should go into a shared module [18:24] schestowitz-TR in tiny step or my m,onitoring shell script? [18:26] schestowitz-TR Bailout out os subsidising buyback machines? https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/28/big-oils-record-profits-and-buyback-splurge-spotlight-broken-energy-system-critics | Source: Common Dreams [18:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Big Oil's Record Profits and Buyback Splurge Spotlight 'Broken Energy System,' Critics Say [18:27] Techrights-sec2 tidy has --quote-ampersand but it turns out it is incompatible with [18:27] Techrights-sec2 --preserve-entities and the latter is more important; it's possible to add [18:27] Techrights-sec2 a filter [18:29] schestowitz-TR there's room for many automation and proprocessing steps [18:29] schestowitz-TR (preprocessing [18:29] schestowitz-TR to save time on data entry [18:29] schestowitz-TR but I've not explored that yet [18:29] schestowitz-TR parly because right now I submit the same to two cntent management systems [18:41] Techrights-sec2 but the regex is very tricky because it must not destroy any entities which [18:41] Techrights-sec2 are already encoded [18:41] Techrights-sec2 the built-in CPAN modul for that is not so sensitive and clobbers the [18:41] Techrights-sec2 existing entities so it may not be used [18:43] schestowitz-TR it would usually be enough to replace " & " with " & " as URLs contain no spaces [18:43] schestowitz-TR there are many other substitutions that can make data entry faster [18:43] schestowitz-TR at one point we can borrow from camelcase.pm to add site name to titles [18:44] Techrights-sec2 yes, but zapping all ampersands creates bigger problems so the replacement [18:44] Techrights-sec2 has to be selective but it's a little tricky figuring out the right pattern [18:45] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:46] schestowitz-TR html has many shitty things about it [18:46] schestowitz-TR ampersand handling was always one of them [18:46] schestowitz-TR in TR I need to use care and remember what symbols never to put in titles and summaries [18:46] schestowitz-TR as they lead to conflicts later [18:46] schestowitz-TR not to say gemtext is perfect [18:46] schestowitz-TR those symbols exist for a purpose [18:46] schestowitz-TR in the body, anything that starts with "<" is recipe for big trouble of all sorts [18:46] schestowitz-TR if not rewritten as < [18:56] Techrights-sec2 correct, there's not much to do about that except being careful about using [18:56] Techrights-sec2 < when it is needed, there is not way to parse the text and guess whether [18:56] Techrights-sec2 and element was meant or not [18:57] schestowitz-TR usually & followed by a space is safe to rewrite [18:59] Techrights-sec2 Yes the task is complicated by the fact that negative lookaheads must be [18:59] Techrights-sec2 fixed length [18:59] Techrights-sec2 in practicce [18:59] Techrights-sec2 There are also occurrences like "R&D" and "AT&T" which can also be "R & D" or [18:59] Techrights-sec2 "AT & T" ● Jul 29 [19:12] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:27] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@v82ybat7z5fr6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:40] schestowitz-TR psoting some pages [19:40] schestowitz-TR trying to keep at this one task [19:40] schestowitz-TR contraints on alpersand seem like a fairly new thing [19:40] Techrights-sec2 ok rather than trying to overthink it, we'll just go with ' & ' -> ' & ' [19:40] Techrights-sec2 ampersands have always been a "problem" going back to the 1990s [19:45] Techrights-sec2 yes and < > for markup was ok until a-holes decided to use them for citations [19:45] schestowitz-TR yes, not only them [19:45] schestowitz-TR less than it another example [19:45] schestowitz-TR t can go horribly wrong because the escape char is singular [19:45] schestowitz-TR and is also a very commonly used char [19:45] schestowitz-TR too late to "fix" thing [19:45] schestowitz-TR in gemini I can use it freely [19:46] schestowitz-TR the START of the line is the sensitive thing [19:46] schestowitz-TR first three chars alone [19:46] schestowitz-TR and it makes processing more efficient too [19:46] schestowitz-TR there are fulls who werite plain text emails with [19:46] schestowitz-TR when they could use some other forms [19:46] schestowitz-TR not sure if some microsoft 'mail' 'clients' reinforced it [19:46] schestowitz-TR but it gives me manual work [19:46] schestowitz-TR some 5 or so years ago, when emoji became common I started HAVING to double check that anything I posted in TM [19:46] schestowitz-TR was not quitly truncated at the first occurance encountered of an emmoji P.O.S. [19:46] schestowitz-TR wordpress can deal OK with these [19:46] schestowitz-TR not sure how amfora and some cli/ncurses interfaces deal with emojis in gewmini [19:52] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:54] Techrights-sec2 yes that's one example [url] would have been safe or parseable [19:54] Techrights-sec2 not sure. emoji are a terrible waste of resources, not computer resources as [19:54] Techrights-sec2 much as human attention and effort [19:54] schestowitz-TR afaik they elongate bit length of each char in the set [19:54] schestowitz-TR so not worth the supposed "savings" they give in terms of data contained [19:54] schestowitz-TR also, to render them you need to store many glyphs tou will never use or see [19:55] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:55] Techrights-sec2 utf-8, utf-16, utf-32 ● Jul 29 [20:01] schestowitz-TR slow news today, but not much "annoying" news that I can see so far [20:01] schestowitz-TR so that's good [20:01] schestowitz-TR disruption to poisitive advocacy is Microsoft throwing wrenches at the cogs [20:01] schestowitz-TR but then again the UEFI thing is obnoxious and they infiltrate a lot of orgs (not [20:01] schestowitz-TR any NEW ones that I can see) [20:02] Techrights-sec2 ack [20:04] schestowitz-TR btw, I lacked the time yesterday to point out two articles about servers and Microsoft [20:04] schestowitz-TR one was about azure being utter shit [20:04] schestowitz-TR the other was the latest netcraft report showing shrap decreased for Microsoft again [20:05] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:06] schestowitz-TR each time I mention the decline of WIndows I will point out how they cheat and break the law [20:06] schestowitz-TR \ [20:06] schestowitz-TR btw, I lacked the time yesterday to point out two articles about servers and Microsoft [20:06] schestowitz-TR one was about azure being utter shit [20:06] schestowitz-TR the other was the latest netcraft report showing shrap decreased for Microsoft again [20:06] schestowitz-TR a lot of busineses move to apache/nginx during the pandemic [20:06] schestowitz-TR microsoft knows it's too expensive to lie to them [20:06] schestowitz-TR and so it's trying to swallow the migrants and become a "linux host" [20:06] schestowitz-TR it has not worked so far [20:06] schestowitz-TR it's a money sinkhole [20:06] Techrights-sec2 good [20:06] Techrights-sec2 can you send the URLs? [20:06] Techrights-sec2 yes [20:07] schestowitz https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2022/07/28/july-2022-web-server-survey.html https://ddumont.wordpress.com/2022/07/28/how-i-investigated-connection-hogs-on-kubernetes/ [20:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | July 2022 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News [20:07] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ddumont.wordpress.com | How I investigated connection hogs on Kubernetes | Dominique Dumont's Blog [20:17] schestowitz-TR I think I might expand my script to git show when new changes are commited so I can see the diff, not just outline [20:17] schestowitz-TR but there might be limitations in the trigger [20:17] schestowitz-TR I now have a tall windows showing the changes [20:17] schestowitz-TR and beeping [20:17] schestowitz-TR re azure, maybe I'l do an article this weekend, I put that as an idea in my notes for now [20:17] schestowitz-TR there's also the 2 microsoft series [20:18] Techrights-sec2 as mentioned earlier, the script /home/git/tuxmachines.org/hooks/update [20:18] Techrights-sec2 runs on the server any time it receive changes and that can be used to fire [20:18] Techrights-sec2 up a notification script so that the inefficent polling method can be avoided [20:33] Techrights-sec2 added two quick shell scripts (with AWK) to cull the bad addresses and add them [20:33] Techrights-sec2 to the blacklisted set [20:33] Techrights-sec2 they're run manually; I'll put them in to a separate tmux session [20:34] Techrights-sec2 modified the nftables rules to have a named set for blocking bad addresses [20:37] schestowitz-TR I think I found >3 options for making git pull a bit more verbose [20:37] schestowitz-TR when new changes are available [20:37] schestowitz-TR but will have that tested when you push things [20:37] schestowitz-TR yes, anything running in tmux would help [20:37] schestowitz-TR tuxmachines already has one tmux session running with top in it [20:37] schestowitz-TR with gnu screen I know how to atach by id [20:37] schestowitz-TR tmux I don't know how to [20:37] Techrights-sec2 ok? [20:38] Techrights-sec2 "tmux ls" will show the names of the sessions available to the current account [20:38] Techrights-sec2 ctrl-b d [20:38] Techrights-sec2 detaches the session [20:39] Techrights-sec2 anyway, the two quick scripts ought to quiet the logs substantially [20:39] Techrights-sec2 we can check tomorrow what other criteria can be added [20:40] schestowitz-TR which account does that session run udner? [20:40] Techrights-sec2 it has to run under root because it uses nft but I guess I could add a [20:40] Techrights-sec2 wrapper or something and then run it via sudo, right now it's just quick [20:40] Techrights-sec2 sloppy, hopefully not too sloppy; [20:41] schestowitz-TR ok, hang on [20:44] schestowitz-TR what's the syntax for attach? [20:44] schestowitz-TR I tried -L [20:44] schestowitz-TR but looks like it make a new session [20:50] schestowitz-TR OK, I see you have another persistent session there for development [20:50] schestowitz-TR on user TM I have a mostly useless placeholder session too [20:52] Techrights-sec2 yes [20:52] Techrights-sec2 it has been necessary while setting up git, the accounts, and juggling the [20:52] Techrights-sec2 configurations and file system permissions [20:52] schestowitz-TR with disconnections and blackouts (outages) I guess this becomes ever more essential an approach [20:53] Techrights-sec2 I would agree [20:57] Techrights-sec2 I'm not sure how to let one session have priority over the layout so I'll leave [20:57] Techrights-sec2 it alone for now; [20:58] schestowitz-TR just neede to find windows size that tmux can reconcile for all attendees [20:58] schestowitz-TR I made a typo, it's not meant to show feed requests ● Jul 29 [21:00] schestowitz-TR fyw i only work monday, once, for the next 8 days [21:00] schestowitz-TR i'm not committed to being awake 1-9 [21:00] schestowitz-TR i will get a 2-hour nap soon, then carry on [21:00] schestowitz-TR i'm super-happy about the new site (tr will be after this) and rianne likes it too [21:00] Techrights-sec2 excellent [21:00] Techrights-sec2 I'm glad it is considered a good thing [21:02] schestowitz-TR we can see how big a task it is. summertime is quiet enough. [21:02] schestowitz-TR also, for the sites to grow they need a proper, not general-purpose platform e.g. for automated [21:02] schestowitz-TR video processing so that I don't have to "f*ck around" with video editors [21:02] schestowitz-TR editing videos can make production take 5-10 times longer [21:03] Techrights-sec2 yes it is fortunate that it is still technically summer in the northern [21:03] Techrights-sec2 hemisphere [21:03] Techrights-sec2 or longer [21:03] Techrights-sec2 editing can be quite slow even without waiting for the computer [21:06] schestowitz-TR from personal experience, doing a well-cujt 2-minute rms video clip can take half an hour [21:06] schestowitz-TR not counting preparing special clips [21:06] schestowitz-TR now, all I do is supply video time range, enter title, choose filename [21:06] schestowitz-TR then I just wait [21:06] schestowitz-TR the time range is for gif preview [21:06] schestowitz-TR file management and checksums are part of the script already [21:06] schestowitz-TR in robertson's case, a one-day video (research, recording, editing) can be removed by gulag [21:06] schestowitz-TR for no good reason and appeals are handled by bots, if at all [21:06] Techrights-sec2 ack [21:06] Techrights-sec2 if at all ... [21:06] schestowitz-TR that's not the first time I heard of such things, it happened also a decade ago in atheist channels [21:06] schestowitz-TR and other political stuff I frequented [21:08] schestowitz-TR -------- [21:09] schestowitz-TR bbl [21:47] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:54] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jul 29 [22:28] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [22:28] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [22:32] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [22:32] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell