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schestowitz>>> Qemu probably needs updating on HV:Aug 29 08:38
schestowitz>>>Aug 29 08:38
schestowitz>>> https://www.securityweek.com/code-execution-flaw-qemu-mostly-impacts-development-test-vmsAug 29 08:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.securityweek.com | Code Execution Flaw in QEMU Mostly Impacts Development, Test VMs | SecurityWeek.ComAug 29 08:38
schestowitz>> I guess that would need shutting down the VMs and we have no way ofAug 29 08:38
schestowitz>> testing before it's done. Aug 29 08:38
schestowitz> Yep and both VMs are on the same host.Aug 29 08:38
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:38
schestowitz>> Does Apline have the patches yet?Aug 29 08:38
schestowitz> No clue.  I've never used Alpine.  I looked around for a mailing list orAug 29 08:38
schestowitz> other form of notification found nothing.  I guess in the worst case, itAug 29 08:38
schestowitz> would be just to try updating and see what is recommended for update.Aug 29 08:38
schestowitzDepending on severity, they might let it slide. Our VMs are probably a lot more vulnerable than the HV anyway.Aug 29 08:38
schestowitz> Spam about exfat omitted. Aug 29 08:41
schestowitzI will write about it shortly.Aug 29 08:41
schestowitz>  Same error in the automated link collectingAug 29 08:41
schestowitz> but I know the method to add to deal with it.  I should have that fixedAug 29 08:41
schestowitz> sometime in the next few days.Aug 29 08:41
schestowitzI use what I get, even if automated. Posting from quiterss takes long and is more mentally distracting (clutter).Aug 29 08:41
schestowitz> remember, i love metaphors-- i used to think people just used them to miss the point, but then i remembered im good with them too.Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> so suppose you had a bunch of friends, and they were acting more like hostages than their normal selves.Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> would you:Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> 1. charge in, like the fedsAug 29 08:53
schestowitz> 2. try to figure out what was going onAug 29 08:53
schestowitz> 3. smile and wave and hope for the best?Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> we dont have the ability to do 1, but hopefully we can agree on 2.Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> 3 is what im hearing, and im tired of it, it yields no progress at all.Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> im not content to watch the entire free software ecosystem fall apart.Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> ive spent years watching it do that, the fsf is basically saying "keep calm and carry on."Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:53
schestowitz> keep calm and carry on? really?Aug 29 08:54
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:54
schestowitz> is everything under control then? chin up, thats a good lad.Aug 29 08:54
schestowitzLet's focus on LF. See my latest article about them.Aug 29 08:54
schestowitzFSF is inaction.Aug 29 08:54
schestowitzLF is HOSTILE action.Aug 29 08:54
schestowitz> the real harm in what the fsf is doing-- and ive spent years trying to find a way to put an end to this--Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> is that when there is a major problem (like systemd) and the fsf says nothing, and you say its a problem, there are people who say "even the fsf says its not a problem if its free software, so what are you on about?"Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> the fsf is doing harm with its silence.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> now, thats not an ethical problem-- the fsf does not have an concrete obligation to speak.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> it has some arguable moral obligation-- "all that evil requires is for good men to do nothing," but you cant say the fsf is doing nothing, right?Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> rather, in matters of both free culture AND this new breed of malicious design, there is a very practical matter of its difficult to talk about the problems free software faces when the fsf has a monopoly on it.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> and you said yourself, they dont have one. but as long as people think they do, they do damage by saying nothing.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> it is necessary to point out this damage to get people to stop assuming the fsf has a monopoly.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> thats what is being fought against. and if people will grant a monopoly to people who say nothing, then its game over-- we lost.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> and we are still losing, so... i intend to keep speaking until the fsf does, as long as im able.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> but the fsf REALLY should say something. i dont know how long its going to take, but i know it has already taken 2019-1984= 16+19 5 out of 35 years so far, 1/7 or 14% of their existence already.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> and the way things are going, it looks like its going to take 2/7, or 28% of their existence before it changes.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> "infighting" isnt what i planned on, but even that would be better than the status quo, which continues to worsen. unity in silence will do nothing, id rather have disagreement that admits and addresses problems, myself. woudlnt you?Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitzEven if FSF spoke out, even against systemd, it would not necessarily solve the issues.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitzRe: by the way, oliva just joined the fsf board> i said "its about time, too" and quoted the part of the fsf titanic article (the intro) where it says oliva is more like stallman than any other person alive, and its too bad (in a way) he cant naturalise and work in boston.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> being on the board is the next best thing. but if its going to count, he should go fix their hostage situation. not that its his fault if he doesnt, but hes (next to) their only hope imo. unless we can make more like him.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> issues people arent just about the bad, theyre also about the good. i dont feel any loyalty to the fsf-- when they do nothing, i complain. bitterly. when they do good, i celebrate and applaud.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> imagine a world where everybody was like that. i dont mean its ideal, but i think it would be a big step forward from what we have right now.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz> credit where credit is due, and all that. not just for the sake of it, but because its fair.Aug 29 08:55
schestowitz oliva is good news. I saw that last night.Aug 29 08:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/empathyeducates/status/1166964296661831680Aug 29 09:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@empathyeducates: When in 2015 before the Iowa caucus, longtime Clinton Warren donor introduced easily comprised voting machines we k… https://t.co/11cDsUOwo7Aug 29 09:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@empathyeducates: When in 2015 before the Iowa caucus, longtime Clinton Warren donor introduced easily comprised voting machines we k… https://t.co/11cDsUOwo7Aug 29 09:13
schestowitz"Aug 29 09:13
schestowitzEmpathyEducates Retweeted Maddow BlogAug 29 09:13
schestowitzWhen in 2015 before the Iowa caucus, longtime Clinton Warren donor introduced easily comprised voting machines we knew it was election interference: Microsoft, the pseudo charity Gates Foundation, wages war on democracy: squashes free-open source softwareAug 29 09:13
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2015/06/06/voting-systems/Aug 29 09:13
schestowitz"Aug 29 09:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | How Microsoft Squashed Free/Open Source Software in Voting Systems in the United States | TechrightsAug 29 09:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1167074025773944837Aug 29 17:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: Microsoft sued Foxconn this year, using its notorious patents, and payments were demanded for Linux-based products https://t.co/4E0PIWmPGjAug 29 17:10
schestowitz"Microsoft sued Foxconn this year, using its notorious patents, and payments were demanded for Linux-based products"Aug 29 17:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft Wants Linux to Use exFAT for the Same Reasons it Wants Everybody to Use OOXML | TechrightsAug 29 17:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MICKYLEAKS_MGR/status/1166747341358956545Aug 29 17:21
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MICKYLEAKS_MGR: @schestowitz Well before the claim was Linux is UNHACKABLE&BS! #PEDOGATE #POLITICALCOUP SATANIC COWARD PSYCHOSADIST… https://t.co/GJ8LnrRa8sAug 29 17:21
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MICKYLEAKS_MGR: @schestowitz Well before the claim was Linux is UNHACKABLE&BS! #PEDOGATE #POLITICALCOUP SATANIC COWARD PSYCHOSADIST… https://t.co/GJ8LnrRa8sAug 29 17:21
schestowitz"Aug 29 17:21
schestowitzWell before the claim was Linux is UNHACKABLE&BS!Aug 29 17:21
schestowitz#PEDOGATE #POLITICALCOUP SATANIC COWARD PSYCHOSADISTIC TERRORIST CRIMINALS HOLDING MY BABY HOSTAGE FOR BLACKMAIL 4YEARS 9MONTHS+CAPA OF HACKING EVERYTHING I PUT VIDEOS EVIDENCE THAT'S IT SUDDENLY UPDATES GALOREDECENTRALIZED APPSAug 29 17:21
schestowitz"Aug 29 17:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/1166792559420727296Aug 29 17:21
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: The question I would like to ask @schestowitz is... which part of this is involved in the General Public License ?… https://t.co/Qbf55txC5uAug 29 17:21
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: The question I would like to ask @schestowitz is... which part of this is involved in the General Public License ?… https://t.co/Qbf55txC5uAug 29 17:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1167074025773944837Aug 29 17:21

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