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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ziks297/status/1178152465130311681Sep 29 07:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ziks297: @schestowitz It's disgraceful. What are they accusing him of? being fussy with language. This is why I'm a bit of a… https://t.co/fe9WOlvHw2Sep 29 07:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ziks297: @schestowitz It's disgraceful. What are they accusing him of? being fussy with language. This is why I'm a bit of a… https://t.co/fe9WOlvHw2Sep 29 07:52
r_schestowitz"It's disgraceful. What are they accusing him of? being fussy with language. This is why I'm a bit of a misanthrope: people are too dumb to understand nuance."Sep 29 07:53
r_schestowitzIt's more about agenda than about misunderstandingSep 29 07:53
r_schestowitzhttp://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2019/09/28/functionally-defined-medical-devices-at-the-epo-is-this-a-thing-of-the-past/#commentsSep 29 08:13
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Functionally defined medical devices at the EPO – is this a thing of the past? - Kluwer Patent BlogSep 29 08:13
r_schestowitz"It may be noted that board 3.4.01 is a physics board and not normally dealing with medical devices. So please do not attach too much importance to this decision until it is confirmed by the boards that usually work in this field."Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzWhilst I understand that the author is alarmed by the fact this decision could mean that contrary to Art 53, c) devices could also be submitted to the exception to patentability, I find the decision perfectly correct and understandable.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzThe device at stake can only be implemented after implantation of an electrode and in this respect it is not possible to distinguish the surgical part from the non-surgical part of the device. In this respect T 755/97 shows that even for a device, if it cannot be obtained in another way than by a surgical step, it also falls under the prohibition of Art 53, c), at the time Art 52(4).Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzT 2369/10 a second or further medical use for a device was denied and a referral to the Enlarged Board dismissed. One of the claims at stake was as follows: “Neurostimulator system for treating a patient having a substance addiction to alleviate a symptom of the substance addiction, the neurostimulator system comprising an electrode configured for directly coupling to a cranial nerve of the patient and applying an electrical signal to Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzsaid cranial nerve.” The independent claim of Alternative B is directed to essentially the same subject matter, but is drafted as a Swiss-type claim.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzT 1314/05 is also interesting. Point 2 of the catchword says: “The use of a device (here: microelectrode arrangement) for the manufacture of a device used for medical purposes (here: implant) constitutes a method of surgical treatment of the human or animal body covered by the exclusion of Article 53c) EPC (Article 52(4) EPC 1973) if the manufacture of the device necessarily involves surgical operations.”Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzIn T 1005/98, the method for manufacturing a prosthesis fell under the prohibition of Art 53, c), at the time Art 52(4) since it could not be obtained other than by a surgical step. The nub of the invention was to manufacture the prosthesis by comparing two ray images before and after resection, so that the prosthesis was “custom made” for the patient.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzThe manufacture of the prosthesis was certainly carried outside the body, but here again the direct product of the method, could only be obtained by a surgical step. The product, i.e. the prosthesis, was not claimed as such, but in view of the method used to determine the exact features of the prosthesis, a surgical step was needed exactly as in the case of T 755/97.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzThe author of the blog must have overlooked the catchword of T 755/97 in which it is stated expressis verbis that “This [i.e. the prohibition under Art 53, c), at the time Art 52(4)] is equally true for product claims defined by a construction which is only arrived at in the human or animal body following a surgical method step”.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzT 1731/12 is thus by far not a one-off decision which “has terminated a long tradition of defining medical devices by means of functional statement”.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzT 836/08 would be more of the liking of the author. T 836/08 relates to a method and a device for identifying the position of the distal end of a bone guide wire. In this decision the BA simply disregarded the fact that one marker had to be fixed on a bone as this step was neither claimed in the method and in the device.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzThe Board held: “The fact that the procedure is performed after or even during a surgical procedure on the body (attachment of the reference device to the bone or insertion of the wire into the bone) does not mean that the claimed position finding procedure as such is a surgical treatment procedure”.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzFor the Board “it is a purely “passive” and non-invasive measurement and evaluation procedure that has no effect on the human body and the medical treatment performed”. Both statements are quite daring. By further stating that “no device-induced therapeutic effect on the body [that] could be functionally related to the process steps claimed, the Board really tries to justify the unjustifiable. The reference to T 245/87, OJ Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitz1989, 171, appears totally misplaced.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzAs far as the method was concerned, the same Board, in a different composition, rectified its position in a later decision, T 2438/11, whereby the (same) applicant referred to T 806/08.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzOne aspect which is also to be kept in mind, is that under substances and compositions only pharmaceutical products are meant and not devices as such. The oldest decision in this respect is T 227/91, OJ 1994, 491Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzIn Point 1 of the catchword of the above cited decision T 1314/05, it was stressed that devices used in medical procedures cannot be equated with substances and compositions and therefore Swiss-type claims are not available for devices! See also the above mentioned T 2369/10. Last but not least T 1099/09 confirms the restriction to substances and compositions of the benefit of Art 53, c) and excludes devices.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzSorry Hermann D. but I disagree. Your position is siloed. This is a very interesting decision and the comments are insightful.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzWhat I find quite interesting, beyond the specific field of medical devices and its interaction with the exclusion of medical treatments, is the notion that a step implying human intervention in a patent claim, whether in method or product form, raises a patentability issue. This is true in computer-implemented inventions, in which a step performed by a user generates the so-called “broken chain fallacy”.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzIn the case of medical devices, the comment suggests that the problem could be avoided by excising from the claim any subject matter implying human intervention. This would lead to a functional definition of the device worded as an outcome in response to specified inputs.Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 08:13
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1178202570596044800Sep 29 08:26
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: @schestowitz BUT THEY LOVE LINUX! 🤣Sep 29 08:26
r_schestowitzWho WOULDN'T! It's DELICIOUS!Sep 29 08:27
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1178203613572677632Sep 29 08:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: @schestowitz Microsoft has changed Roy! Even though the average tenure of their senior leadership is 20 years with… https://t.co/3rOpVKrUwaSep 29 08:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: @schestowitz Microsoft has changed Roy! Even though the average tenure of their senior leadership is 20 years with… https://t.co/3rOpVKrUwaSep 29 08:27
r_schestowitz"Microsoft has changed Roy! Even though the average tenure of their senior leadership is 20 years with an average age in a bracket that is known for being extremely change averse, they're super-woke and edgy now! "Sep 29 08:27
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gillesMioni/status/1178205696933978112Sep 29 08:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gillesMioni: Le navigateur Internet Edge basé sur Chromium aura une version pour linux alors qu'absolument personne ne veut ni n… https://t.co/8igimwy7K8Sep 29 08:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gillesMioni: Le navigateur Internet Edge basé sur Chromium aura une version pour linux alors qu'absolument personne ne veut ni n… https://t.co/8igimwy7K8Sep 29 08:27
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 08:27
r_schestowitzgillesMioni Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)Sep 29 08:27
r_schestowitzLe navigateur Internet Edge basé sur Chromium aura une version pour linux alors qu'absolument personne ne veut ni ne demande ça !Sep 29 08:27
r_schestowitzMais Microsoft promeut ses produits quitte à  utiliser l'aura de linux.Sep 29 08:28
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 08:28
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1178211075474382848Sep 29 08:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: @schestowitz #Microsoft #TeamWoke #toolsandweapons #toolsmakingweapons https://t.co/Blx60m6XXSSep 29 08:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: @schestowitz #Microsoft #TeamWoke #toolsandweapons #toolsmakingweapons https://t.co/Blx60m6XXSSep 29 08:54
r_schestowitz> Canada might also be an option, but a lot of that depends on whatSep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz> happens in the US in the near future.Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitzCanada is not interesting in that regard because of the cost of living.Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz>>> The old logs can still be accessed directly with zless and zcat.  FromSep 29 09:25
r_schestowitz>>> the latter it can be piped into awk or grep or whatever.Sep 29 09:25
r_schestowitz>> Should we instead, temporarily, run a cron job to wipe the log fileSep 29 09:25
r_schestowitz>> every 48 hours? In case we both get run over by a bus at the same timeSep 29 09:25
r_schestowitz>> and only Rianne is left to watch over it? ;-)Sep 29 09:25
r_schestowitz>>Sep 29 09:25
r_schestowitz>> As things stand I echo '' > logfile every Sunday.Sep 29 09:25
r_schestowitz> It'd be much better to have logrotate deal with it.  It can track theSep 29 09:25
r_schestowitz> size more closely, plus leave a few older files to check on.Sep 29 09:25
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 09:25
r_schestowitz>> My notes: upgrade techrights, add SSL, increase partition sizes (installSep 29 09:25
r_schestowitz>> vanilla centos8 on separate VM, install packages needed, copy across allSep 29 09:26
r_schestowitz>> files, change IP addresses etc if SSL setup is nearly there), repeat forSep 29 09:26
r_schestowitz>> tuxmachines or do tuxmachines firstSep 29 09:26
r_schestowitz> Or would now be the time to move to Devuan instead of CentOS8?  EitherSep 29 09:26
r_schestowitz> way, it would probably be good to tentatively schedule which week orSep 29 09:26
r_schestowitz> weeks to try all this.Sep 29 09:26
r_schestowitzThere are problems in Devuans right now (I get mails about it), so let's wait...Sep 29 09:26
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gillesMioni/status/1178231956070420480Sep 29 10:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gillesMioni: John Perry Barlow a écrit une déclaration d'indépendance du cyberespace en 1996 En anglais https://t.co/7oWLZJNKIL… https://t.co/Dj3iyCyEdZSep 29 10:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.eff.org | A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace | Electronic Frontier FoundationSep 29 10:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gillesMioni: John Perry Barlow a écrit une déclaration d'indépendance du cyberespace en 1996 En anglais https://t.co/7oWLZJNKIL… https://t.co/Dj3iyCyEdZSep 29 10:15
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 10:15
r_schestowitzJohn Perry Barlow a écrit une déclaration d'indépendance du cyberespace en 1996Sep 29 10:15
r_schestowitzEn anglais https://eff.org/fr/cyberspace-independence…Sep 29 10:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.eff.org/fr/cyberspace-independence… )Sep 29 10:15
r_schestowitzEn français https://cairn.info/libres-enfants-du-savoir-numerique--9782841620432-page-47.htm…Sep 29 10:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 400 @ https://cairn.info/libres-enfants-du-savoir-numerique--9782841620432-page-47.htm… )Sep 29 10:15
r_schestowitzQue reste-t-il de l'EFF Electronic Frontier Foundation ?Sep 29 10:15
r_schestowitzhttps://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Frontier_FoundationSep 29 10:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fr.wikipedia.org | Electronic Frontier Foundation — WikipédiaSep 29 10:15
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 10:15
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/1178265829818998785Sep 29 12:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: EPO: Same Old Abuses, More Fake Patents, But Slightly Different Faces #patents #stopfakepatents #nopatentsonseeds… https://t.co/gUm3Q2aLW3Sep 29 12:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: EPO: Same Old Abuses, More Fake Patents, But Slightly Different Faces #patents #stopfakepatents #nopatentsonseeds… https://t.co/gUm3Q2aLW3Sep 29 12:15
r_schestowitz"EPO: Same Old Abuses, More Fake Patents, But Slightly Different Faces #patents #stopfakepatents #nopatentsonseeds #nopatentsonlife #quality #Europe http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/more-fa"Sep 29 12:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPO: Same Old Abuses, More Fake Patents, But Slightly Different Faces | TechrightsSep 29 12:15
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/1178266064762916864Sep 29 12:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Only Weeks After Czech Government Rejects UPC (Unitary Patent) António Campinos Flies There, Apparently in Order to… https://t.co/8v8VrP6nqISep 29 12:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Only Weeks After Czech Government Rejects UPC (Unitary Patent) António Campinos Flies There, Apparently in Order to… https://t.co/8v8VrP6nqISep 29 12:15
r_schestowitz"Only Weeks After Czech Government Rejects UPC (Unitary Patent) António Campinos Flies There, Apparently in Order to Lobby Government Officials #patents #lobbying #lobbywatch #lobbyethics #CzechRepublic #Europe http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/epo-czec"Sep 29 12:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Only Weeks After Czech Government Rejects UPC (Unitary Patent) António Campinos Flies There, Apparently in Order to Lobby Government Officials | TechrightsSep 29 12:15
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Bizitzarenjokoa/status/1178269232276103168Sep 29 12:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Bizitzarenjokoa: The funny stuff is that the Spanish Francoist goverment actually helped the Nazis. The true ones, from Germany. An… https://t.co/7TdzwyYExWSep 29 12:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Bizitzarenjokoa: The funny stuff is that the Spanish Francoist goverment actually helped the Nazis. The true ones, from Germany. An… https://t.co/7TdzwyYExWSep 29 12:28
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 12:28
r_schestowitzlsort [info commands] Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)Sep 29 12:28
r_schestowitzThe funny stuff is that the Spanish Francoist goverment actually helped the Nazis. The true ones, from Germany.Sep 29 12:28
r_schestowitzAnd no one got jailed. No one. They got an amnesty.Sep 29 12:28
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 12:28
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TechrightsBNHello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75Sep 29 12:47
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1178297139333599233Sep 29 14:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: It's a long story, but decades ago I was in a similar situation. But I was young and had time to bounce back: Short… https://t.co/55V5r02O86Sep 29 14:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: It's a long story, but decades ago I was in a similar situation. But I was young and had time to bounce back: Short… https://t.co/55V5r02O86Sep 29 14:32
r_schestowitzIt's a long story, but decades ago I was in a similar situation. But I was young and had time to bounce back: Shortly After Richard Stallman Says He's Head of GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately”""Sep 29 14:32
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/1178312437709377539Sep 29 15:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz How about the winsock.dll ? Most useful thing that Microsoft produced.Sep 29 15:19
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1178321980497387525Sep 29 15:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: @schestowitz #shithubSep 29 15:56
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MrIvanJohnson/status/1178326088143036416Sep 29 16:16
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MrIvanJohnson: @schestowitz happy times at #Microsoft Brought to mind the classic Ballmer “Developers, developers!” video... https://t.co/rqFK66hXcmSep 29 16:16
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MCamerlengo: 24 years ago Steve Ballmer and Bill Gates celebrated the Windows 95 launch I broke down the film https://t.co/8qU9Ggr2QCSep 29 16:16
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ferreira_joe/status/1178326561977618432Sep 29 16:17
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ferreira_joe: @schestowitz the RMS blog was defaced. It is corrected now. Please update your article. It's spreading fud through the news feeds now.Sep 29 16:17
r_schestowitzI updated it 10 minutes agoSep 29 16:17
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/csolisr/status/1178329172252512256Sep 29 16:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@csolisr: @schestowitz Talking about it, I'm surprised that @e_mydata doesn't ship with #FDroid by defaultSep 29 16:28
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/csolisr/status/1178329468970192896Sep 29 16:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@csolisr: @schestowitz @e_mydata ...or does it? Last time I tested it was, like, three months agoSep 29 16:28
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/arbaoui_mehdi/status/1178330277090869249Sep 29 16:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@arbaoui_mehdi: @schestowitz I think that they should now create their own CMS instead of relying on Contentful and WordPress as Headless solutions.Sep 29 16:28
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gewalker/status/1178334979018891264Sep 29 16:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gewalker: There's so much vague bullshit in this article. It's just amazing. https://t.co/AowvgrkaXCSep 29 16:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | FSF May Not be Trustworthy Anymore, It’s Believed/Said to Have Just Defaced Richard Stallman’s Personal Web Site | TechrightsSep 29 16:58
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ferreira_joe/status/1178337249605238784Sep 29 16:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ferreira_joe: @schestowitz thank you. btw the post about the defacing of https://t.co/6ErVZnHIcV is blaming a fsf employee. shoul… https://t.co/7fV4V8io4xSep 29 16:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> stallman.org | Richard Stallman's Personal PageSep 29 16:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ferreira_joe: @schestowitz thank you. btw the post about the defacing of https://t.co/6ErVZnHIcV is blaming a fsf employee. shoul… https://t.co/7fV4V8io4xSep 29 16:58
r_schestowitzthank you. btw the post about the defacing of http://stallman.org  is blaming a fsf employee. shouldn't that have sources for the quotes? that is pretty serious as one of them could have been hacked and were not the defacer directly.""Sep 29 16:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-stallman.org | Richard Stallman's Personal PageSep 29 16:58
r_schestowitzWe discussed this in length; it seems the person had inside access and the site was moved out of FSF premises after thatSep 29 16:59
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DShearer90/status/1178337566837350401Sep 29 17:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DShearer90: @schestowitz This had nothing to do with trump, try for once putting the blame on the parents, Democrats always bla… https://t.co/lXe0oxfn4gSep 29 17:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DShearer90: @schestowitz This had nothing to do with trump, try for once putting the blame on the parents, Democrats always bla… https://t.co/lXe0oxfn4gSep 29 17:00
r_schestowitz"This had nothing to do with trump, try for once putting the blame on the parents, Democrats always blame everybody but the people that should be blamed"Sep 29 17:00
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/doombadroid/status/1178339601884176384Sep 29 17:09
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@doombadroid: @schestowitz Dude come on, you're a smart guy engage your brain before you lose credibility on everything elseSep 29 17:09
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r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nO3pdx0Kl1O4nFbaSSep 29 17:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:34
r_schestowitz" I think it has potential to be in some ways but obviously grsecurity is hard to beat"Sep 29 17:34
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nP1yoJdA2rs4w2NZQSep 29 17:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:34
r_schestowitz" F"Sep 29 17:34
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nPa8QwWJPNuvVzJ5MSep 29 17:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:34
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 17:34
r_schestowitzVia @schestowitz Sep 29 17:34
r_schestowitzUn employé de la FSF a rendu le site RMS stallman.org indisponible sur l'infrastructure de la FSF. (host Free Software Foundation, Inc)Sep 29 17:34
r_schestowitzIl est à nouveau accessible mais ailleurs que sur les serveurs de fsf.org (host The positive Internet Company, Inc)Sep 29 17:34
r_schestowitzLa FSF doit s'expliquer sur l'éviction du site de Stallman de ses serveurs.Sep 29 17:34
r_schestowitzVoir les tootsSep 29 17:34
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/objects/a3ccf576-d187-445f-9845-df658e9dad41Sep 29 17:34
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/objects/58d7d62a-0ff1-43a2-b45a-2643c0ad9fb4Sep 29 17:35
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 17:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:35
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nPqqzNtDf0hkl3c6SSep 29 17:35
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 17:35
r_schestowitz@EgideSep 29 17:35
r_schestowitzWell, that post is written by the person who initiated the rumour (and labels it as such), the rather opinionated @schestowitz, so not independent confirmation.Sep 29 17:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:35
r_schestowitzStallman.org is indeed hosted on a different IP than fsf.org, but I do not know if that hasn't been the case all along.Sep 29 17:35
r_schestowitzLest anyone mistakes this for support of the #FSF, this is absolutely not. I am only concerned about separating fact from #rumour.Sep 29 17:35
r_schestowitz@fsfstatusSep 29 17:35
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 17:35
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nPuiiGLORJE9QpxLMSep 29 17:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:35
r_schestowitz"I don't understand anything after the word 'freesw'"Sep 29 17:35
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nPvoJ9VlV3vxssB3ASep 29 17:35
r_schestowitz" still can't forgive Huawei for this. They were sponsoring XDA-Developers for goodness sakes, like the poster child for supporting custom ROMs. Then they do an abrupt 180 and freeze out some of their most loyal users by locking down user choice. Huawei has no high ground to stand on."Sep 29 17:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:36
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nPwInEqTEKlxju7lISep 29 17:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:36
r_schestowitz" I use Void GNU+Linux. Free of that cursed init! 😎"Sep 29 17:36
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nPx4p1h7tI3PKefiKSep 29 17:36
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 17:36
r_schestowitzRumor or factual information, I do not have the means to know it.Sep 29 17:36
r_schestowitzHence my direct question to the FSF to obtain confirmation or denial that the Stallman site has been dislodged from the FSF servers. Sep 29 17:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:36
r_schestowitzIt is said that stalman.org was previously hosted by the FSF. I can't verify that point.Sep 29 17:36
r_schestowitzAs you, I wish to distinguish between the rumor and the facts. The best way to balance informations out is to communicate with a little bit more transparency.Sep 29 17:36
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 17:36
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nPyAxGzThLufyIWzgSep 29 17:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:36
r_schestowitz" RMS should pay attention to this"Sep 29 17:36
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nPyDqEM7ObThdRSEqSep 29 17:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:37
r_schestowitz"That's why I host my projects on https://notabug.org."Sep 29 17:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-notabug.org | NotABug.org: Free code hostingSep 29 17:37
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nPyTxxFAV68I97uOuSep 29 17:37
r_schestowitz" I mean, Richard Stallman was complaining about BitKeeper being proprietary, and many free software projects using it. Thankfully git came to the rescue... until GitHub exploited it to make users focus on git's practicality ONLY."Sep 29 17:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:37
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nPybCnsMJOON7CGdUSep 29 17:37
r_schestowitz"I use Void GNU+Linux, and its packages are maintained using GitHub. How do I convince the maintainers to migrate to a platform like https://notabug.org?"Sep 29 17:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:37
r_schestowitzShow them what Microsoft did to Persian devsSep 29 17:37
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nQ2yfApRdqOpzNF0CSep 29 17:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:38
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 17:38
r_schestowitzStallman's resignation from the FSF presidency was neither explained by Stallman nor the FSF.Sep 29 17:38
r_schestowitzIf the reasons of Stalman's resign from CSAIL of MIT was clearly bound to anonymous Esptein's donations, his resign of FSF needs to be explained. Indeed Stalman's notoriety has been degraded so far its withdrawal from the FSF presidency should be clarified. It's usual to have  differences within an organization, but sudden changes in management deserve to be exposed publicly.Sep 29 17:38
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 17:38
r_schestowitzThat is not the reason for MIT departureSep 29 17:38
r_schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9nQ31MJS1eyBD5gz7wSep 29 17:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 17:39
r_schestowitz" Too bad there's a paywall on the first link... :/"Sep 29 17:39
-->ogres (uid159312@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hzyrfgfsjsdjqmbg) has joined #boycottnovellSep 29 17:51
ogreshello! any journalists hereSep 29 17:51
r_schestowitzhiSep 29 17:54
r_schestowitzwhat about?Sep 29 17:54
ogressomething related to a white supremacist orgSep 29 17:54
ogresvery very serious stuffSep 29 17:54
ogresextremely seriousSep 29 17:54
r_schestowitzok, go aheadSep 29 17:55
ogresare you a journalist?Sep 29 17:56
ogresok nvm, I see you are :PSep 29 17:56
r_schestowitz>>>> ...Sep 29 18:23
r_schestowitz>>>> There are problems in Devuans right now (I get mails about it), so let'sSep 29 18:24
r_schestowitz>>>> wait...Sep 29 18:24
r_schestowitz>>> Aside from being understaffed, what else is problematic?Sep 29 18:24
r_schestowitz>>>Sep 29 18:24
r_schestowitz>>> I'd help Devuan but the tasks are just out of reach for my skill level.Sep 29 18:24
r_schestowitz>> Seems like ego and machoism creating a negative atmosphere. I was toldSep 29 18:24
r_schestowitz>> some of them names. One is "Ron".Sep 29 18:24
r_schestowitz> I know that nextime got chased away some how, but I am not on theSep 29 18:24
r_schestowitz> developer lists to see the politics going on.Sep 29 18:24
r_schestowitz>>>>> TR went down but I think we're both in at the same time.Sep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz>>>> Running 'w' I saw we both logged in at the same time after I hadSep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz>>>> rebooted it.Sep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz>>>>Sep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz>>>> E-mail about DB to follow...Sep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz>>> Ok.  The rebuild script should lock, though.Sep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz>> Can we reuse what we have on TM? (copy across)Sep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz>>Sep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz>> The command I ran (see i/o sent separately)Sep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz>>Sep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz>> mysqlcheck -u root -p --auto-repair --check --all-databasesSep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz>>Sep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz>> This took just about 2-4 minutes all in all (to execute with httpd down,Sep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz>> obviouslySep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz> It would take at least a few minutes extra each time for me to dig outSep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz> my notes to do it manually like that.  I put them intoSep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz> ~/bin/repair_tr_dbs.sh since that is as good a place as any, theSep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz> sequence is automated, and locking is enabled.Sep 29 18:30
r_schestowitzThere was further discussion today about how to upgrade the servers and what to. Not conclusive. kaniini is willing to help.Sep 29 18:30
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16106646#ad5d2cc0c4940137dedc005056264835Sep 29 18:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Will #BillGates Bribes to the Leader of #India Harm India's #GNU / #Linux Adoption and Will Gates Ever be Held Accountable for His Many Crimes? http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/gates-above-the-law/ #kashmir Sep 29 18:35
r_schestowitz"Hatchet job."Sep 29 18:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Will Bill Gates’ Bribes to the Leader of India Harm India’s GNU/Linux Adoption and Will Gates Ever be Held Accountable for His Many Crimes? | TechrightsSep 29 18:35
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzI’ve read on 4chan/g his website has been hacked/vandalized. I’ve checked the internet archive and it seemed so as there were some funny things for a while, such as “What’s bad about: Richard Stallman”.Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzSep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzMiloslav Číž - about 17 hours ago Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzSpecifically you can check it out here: https://web.archive.org/web/20190928070003/https://stallman.org/.Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzSep 29 18:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Richard Stallman's Personal PageSep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzMiloslav Číž - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzhttps://archive.li/wcH5d#39%Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzSep 29 18:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.li | /g/ - RMS quits GNU Project - Technology - 4chanSep 29 18:46
r_schestowitztomgrz - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzWTF??? This is indeed a Crucifixion. These sins are not Stallman’s.Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzSep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitz@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitztake 2: we still need his new email.Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzSep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzSapiens - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzI truly hope this is just a case of website vandalism: https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#28_September_2019_(GNU_Project)Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 18:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-stallman.org | 2019: July - October Political Notes - Richard StallmanSep 29 18:46
r_schestowitz"He's also looking for housing (https://stallman.org/seeking-housing.html)!"Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16106498#5f9106d0c5080137099b7a163ef10931Sep 29 18:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-stallman.org | Interim housingSep 29 18:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shortly After #RichardStallman Says He's Head of #GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/rms-being-canceled/ #fsf #rms #freesw Sep 29 18:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Shortly After Richard Stallman Says He’s Head of GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” (Updated) | TechrightsSep 29 18:46
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzIf I did not have visitors, I would ask him to stay with us!Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitz SapiensSep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzSapiens - about 15 hours ago Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzCan we assume his GPG key has not been compromised?Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comSep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 15 hours ago Sep 29 18:46
r_schestowitzIf I did not have visitors, I would ask him to stay with us!Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzas usual, he is looking for something very specific: https://stallman.org/seeking-housing.htmlSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzyoure off the hook. im sure lots of us would be more than willing to let him into our homes, even knowing how particular he is. good news, the interim housing post makes it clear that the usual email address is active.Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitz SapiensSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzSapiens - about 15 hours ago Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzThat may be part of the website vandalism!Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitz SapiensSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzSapiens - about 15 hours ago Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitz@Gergely (∀E∃A)Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 12 hours ago Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzThat may be part of the website vandalism!Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzyes, thats true. but its hardly a big deal if stallman learns there are people willing to give him a place to live, and nobody is counting on him to choose their place anyway.Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 12 hours ago Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzalso, his real requirements for a place to stay while he does a talk really are no less absurd.Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitz SapiensSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzSapiens - about 7 hours ago Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzNow that message appears to be gone from the website…Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitz SapiensSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzSapiens - about 7 hours ago Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitz@TrocatintasSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitz TrocatintasSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzTrocatintas - about 6 hours ago Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzDomain Name: STALLMAN.ORGSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzRegistry Domain ID: D16806573-LRORSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzRegistrar WHOIS Server: whois.tucows.comSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzRegistrar URL: http://www.tucows.comSep 29 18:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tucows.com | Tucows Inc. | Unlocking the power of the InternetSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzUpdated Date: 2019-07-01T20:59:44ZSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzCreation Date: 2000-01-07T19:10:53ZSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzRegistry Expiry Date: 2020-01-07T19:10:53ZSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzRegistrar Registration Expiration Date:Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzRegistrar: Tucows Inc.Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzRegistrar IANA ID: 69Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzRegistrar Abuse Contact Email: domainabuse@tucows.comSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzRegistrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4165350123Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzReseller:Sep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzDomain Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#okSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzRegistrant Organization: Desiree MiloshevicSep 29 18:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.icann.org | EPP Status Codes | What Do They Mean, and Why Should I Know? - ICANNSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzRegistrant State/Province: LondonSep 29 18:47
r_schestowitzRegistrant Country: GBSep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzName Server: DNS0.POSITIVE-INTERNET.COMSep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzName Server: DNS1.POSITIVE-INTERNET.COMSep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzWhat does Updated Date: 2019-07-01T20:59:44Z mean?Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitz SapiensSep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzSapiens - about 6 hours ago Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzI suppose it refers to the last time that WHOIS record was updated. (?)Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitz TrocatintasSep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzTrocatintas - about 6 hours ago Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitz@Sapiens Oh. Ok, thanks. I thought it might mean some kind of redirection or something else regarding the registration itself.Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitz Miloslav ČížSep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzMiloslav Číž - about 6 hours ago Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzInteresting.Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzSeems like a nice coincidence that his site has been hacked right at this time when he’s having trouble with SJWs, doesn’t it?Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzAlso about the 4chan, there is an interesting thing too that make it really seem like a part of an organized effort targeted at removing RMS. Right when these hacks appeared, there were suddenly many threads appearing, spreading this misinformation, formulated in a similar manner, linking to the forged announcement and saying just that RMS resigned from GNU, even though people in the threads kept pointing out this was vandalization. Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzClearly someone with an intention to spread this misinformation.Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzThis is all a big action directed by someone at a high place who decided now is the time RMS should go.Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzLet’s not let this happen.Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitz tomix@diasporing.chSep 29 18:48
r_schestowitztomix@diasporing.ch - about 4 hours ago Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzWhat an organized shitstorm based on lies and manipulations… (Or even more than that) I just keep calm and support RMS.Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitz SapiensSep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzSapiens - about an hour ago Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzThe dark side of capitalism is a pathway to many injustices, some considered to be inhuman.Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitz tomgrzSep 29 18:48
r_schestowitztomgrz - about an hour ago Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzKeep note of who is saying what.Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 18:48
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16110583#698a21d0c504013709797a163ef10931Sep 29 18:49
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 18:49
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Helps distract from #crimes of #microsoft when Microsoft gets direct access to all this data #facebook illegally harvests https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-probe-antitrust/justice-department-to-open-an-antitrust-investigation-of-facebook-source-idUSKBN1WA35MSep 29 18:49
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.reuters.com | U.S. Justice Department to open Facebook antitrust investigation: source - ReutersSep 29 18:49
r_schestowitz“No” Facebook.Sep 29 18:49
r_schestowitz tomgrzSep 29 18:49
r_schestowitztomgrz - about an hour ago Sep 29 18:49
r_schestowitzOh, and of course No Microsoft.Sep 29 18:49
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 18:49
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16108887#57ff35c0c50a0137e2fc268acd52edbfSep 29 18:51
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #FSF is now actively ‘attacking’ its very own founder, whose Web site is said to have been defaced by FSF staff http://techrights.org/2019/09/29/fsf-defaced-rms/ #rms #gnu #freeswSep 29 18:51
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 18:51
r_schestowitzWTF does Salesforce have to do with RMS ousting ???Sep 29 18:51
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | FSF May Not be Trustworthy Anymore, It’s Believed/Said to Have Just Defaced Richard Stallman’s Personal Web Site | TechrightsSep 29 18:51
r_schestowitzSep 29 18:51
r_schestowitzWhonix Anonymous Operating System - 41 minutes ago Sep 29 18:51
r_schestowitzThanks for sharing , maybe they will compromise his email as well soon.Sep 29 18:51
r_schestowitzSep 29 18:51
r_schestowitzSapiens - 37 minutes ago Sep 29 18:51
r_schestowitzCan we assume his GPG private key has not been compromised?Sep 29 18:51
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 18:51
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16107523#634f30d0c4bf01373d43047d7b62795eSep 29 18:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 1990s: Kenyans are good at long distance running Decades later: Doping is good at long distance running https://www.mykhel.com/more-sports/coe-confirms-german-media-s-kenya-doping-claims-127862.htmlSep 29 18:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.mykhel.com | Coe confirms German media's Kenya doping claims - myKhelSep 29 18:55
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 18:55
r_schestowitzI’m Irish and I’m an ultra marathon runner and hiker, a swimming marathon king and did 100 marathons in 2017-18 (one year)…Sep 29 18:55
r_schestowitzI don’t believe this doping stuff is that deep and that Kenyans make great runners, too. Very famous…Sep 29 18:55
r_schestowitzAnd Irish are related to the Kenyans through the Ancient Egyptians, Sudanese and Nubians. Probably why we have big heads like Nubians, too. We have big brains. ;^)Sep 29 18:55
r_schestowitzSep 29 18:55
r_schestowitz👑 Vinny Ó ✨ - about 10 hours ago Sep 29 18:55
r_schestowitzI smoke weed and drink beer. So what? I got more kilometers than most cars.Sep 29 18:55
r_schestowitzSep 29 18:55
r_schestowitz👑 Vinny Ó ✨ - about 10 hours ago Sep 29 18:55
r_schestowitzDont do steroids. It causes microtesticulation. Small nuts.Sep 29 18:55
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 18:55
r_schestowitz>>>>>>> TR went down but I think we're both in at the same time.Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>>>>> Running 'w' I saw we both logged in at the same time after I hadSep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>>>>> rebooted it.Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>>>>>Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>>>>> E-mail about DB to follow...Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>>>> Ok.  The rebuild script should lock, though.Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>>> Can we reuse what we have on TM? (copy across)Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>>>Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>>> The command I ran (see i/o sent separately)Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>>>Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>>> mysqlcheck -u root -p --auto-repair --check --all-databasesSep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>>>Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>>> This took just about 2-4 minutes all in all (to execute with httpd down,Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>>> obviouslySep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>> It would take at least a few minutes extra each time for me to dig outSep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>> my notes to do it manually like that.  I put them intoSep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>> ~/bin/repair_tr_dbs.sh since that is as good a place as any, theSep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>>> sequence is automated, and locking is enabled.Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>> There was further discussion today about how to upgrade the servers andSep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz>> what to. Not conclusive. kaniini is willing to help.Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz> He made a good point about Devuan.  If the project goes completely bad,Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz> worse than Debian, it is relatively simple to roll back to Debian.  SoSep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz> if he's willing maybe the next move should be to Devuan rather than moreSep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz> CentOS.Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitzAssuming changing scripts and stuff would not be a big hassle, e.g. httpd becoming apache2.Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitzA lot more was discussed in IRC, I can relay that at a later point (IRC channels very busy lately).Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16106498#8f3b64e0c5140137e2fc268acd52edbfSep 29 19:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shortly After #RichardStallman Says He's Head of #GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/rms-being-canceled/ #fsf #rms #freesw Sep 29 19:42
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 19:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Shortly After Richard Stallman Says He’s Head of GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” (Updated) | TechrightsSep 29 19:42
r_schestowitzYes!!!Sep 29 19:42
r_schestowitz SapiensSep 29 19:42
r_schestowitzSapiens - about an hour ago Sep 29 19:42
r_schestowitzIs that an email message from him or a chat log?Sep 29 19:42
r_schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comSep 29 19:42
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 20 minutes ago Sep 29 19:42
r_schestowitzits email, i was going to post the same thing in a few minutes.Sep 29 19:42
r_schestowitztechnically what you see here is a chat log where roy is quoting the email. i was not in the chat, i received the same lines from stallman by email.Sep 29 19:42
r_schestowitz SapiensSep 29 19:42
r_schestowitzSapiens - 16 minutes ago Sep 29 19:43
r_schestowitzCan we trust it isn’t a forgery?Sep 29 19:43
r_schestowitz Miloslav ČížSep 29 19:43
r_schestowitzMiloslav Číž - 11 minutes ago Sep 29 19:43
r_schestowitzThe statement was posted in error.Sep 29 19:43
r_schestowitzStill curious about what happened. An error? What does that mean? Why didn’t he clarify that on his site? It really seems like someone hacked the site.Sep 29 19:43
r_schestowitz tomgrzSep 29 19:43
r_schestowitztomgrz - 3 minutes ago Sep 29 19:43
r_schestowitzMaybe we just need to give RMS some space to work this out.Sep 29 19:43
r_schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comSep 29 19:43
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about a minute ago Sep 29 19:43
r_schestowitzCan we trust it isn’t a forgery?Sep 29 19:43
r_schestowitzit is technically possible that stallman is duct taped to an office chair somewhere, and someone is emailing us from his laptop saying that he hasnt really resigned.Sep 29 19:43
r_schestowitzbut if thats the situation, then who runs gnu is not actually the top concern right now.Sep 29 19:43
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 19:43
r_schestowitzIt's BACK! The site defaced again! Scroll down, it's back.Sep 29 19:43
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16106722#0dbc9c00c4900137098b7a163ef10931Sep 29 20:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: They made Torvalds and RMS beg for forgiveness from those whose precious feelings were "hurt". By an opinion, however honest. I know those tactics. #originalSin #guilt #control Sep 29 20:05
r_schestowitz"I cannot see RMS begging. For a place to sleep maybe. ;-("Sep 29 20:05
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzConfirms what was said many years ago - the poor shall inherit the earth. RMS already has.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comSep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzrms has plenty of places to sleep. he will never starve or live on the street.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzwhat hes looking for is a place that suits him. i dont blame him. if i had the money, id move somewhere that suits him-- or get him his own place.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comSep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzDoing what?Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzthis evil to stallman. and it is evil.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitz tomgrzSep 29 20:06
r_schestowitztomgrz - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitz“Blessed are the poor in spirit,Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzfor theirs is the kingdom of heaven.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzBlessed are those who mourn,Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzfor they will be comforted.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzBlessed are the meek,Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzfor they will inherit the earth.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzBlessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzfor they will be filled.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzBlessed are the merciful,Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzfor they will be shown mercy.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzBlessed are the pure in heart,Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzfor they will see God.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzBlessed are the peacemakers,Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzfor they will be called sons of God.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzBlessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzfor theirs is the kingdom of heaven.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzBlessed are you when people insult you, persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you"Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comSep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzlast line is a good one.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzstallman is an atheist, i dont know if he would fully appreciate the meaning or not.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitz tomgrzSep 29 20:06
r_schestowitztomgrz - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzYou do not have to believe in God to see the truth in Matthew.Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitz tomgrzSep 29 20:06
r_schestowitztomgrz - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 20:06
r_schestowitzJesus Christ, in a strong sense was an incarnation of the Buddha, and he preached the laws of Karma.Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comSep 29 20:07
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitzYou do not have to believe in God to see the truth in Matthew.Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitzhey, its his middle name.Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitzand youre right, i dont have to-- but stallman might.Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comSep 29 20:07
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitzan incarnation of the Buddha, and he preached the laws of Karma.Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitzall religions, and all people (genetically, culturally, otherwise) have more in common than different.Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitz tomgrzSep 29 20:07
r_schestowitztomgrz - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitzYeah, Stallman is not a high-level philosopher. ;-)Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comSep 29 20:07
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitzsure he is, hes just very domain-specific.Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitz tomgrzSep 29 20:07
r_schestowitztomgrz - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitzI was going to be Matthew, but there were already too many in my family, so I became Thomas. All for the better…Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comSep 29 20:07
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 16 hours ago Sep 29 20:07
r_schestowitzbecause now you get to be apocryphal.Sep 29 20:07
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r_schestowitz> of course not, id rather let him continue to reveal himself.Sep 29 20:27
r_schestowitzHe spoke out a lot against Lundgren in our forums (IRC).Sep 29 20:27
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