●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, January 31, 2022 ●● ● Jan 31 [00:57] *psydroid4 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jan 31 [01:08] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:11] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 31 [02:07] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:09] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@wvwc69zd5gi3n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:09] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [02:09] *schestowitz_log has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:09] *Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). [02:10] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [02:10] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [02:10] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 [02:11] *qa2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:13] *qa2 (~sid145515@frp6gv52kp9fi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:13] *Seaduck- (~seaduck@ys9kag65kxsiu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:17] *activelo1 is now known as activelow [02:18] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@wvwc69zd5gi3n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 31 [03:06] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jan 31 [05:58] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jan 31 [07:45] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:52] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:57] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 31 [08:18] Techrights-sec httpd loos like it was unavailable only once [08:18] schestowitz-TR2 was that around the backup dumps? [08:26] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:37] Techrights-sec [08:37] Techrights-sec It was approximate 3:40 utc [08:37] Techrights-sec ok [08:37] schestowitz-TR2 that is exactly when it always has issues, causing false alarms in monitoring too [08:37] schestowitz-TR2 :-) ● Jan 31 [09:30] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:33] *activelow (~activelow@ib2k7hffs2gws.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 31 [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 restarting [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 I did too around 9am ● Jan 31 [11:05] Techrights-sec ack [11:05] Techrights-sec I noticed the ~ 9:30 restart in the logs here [11:50] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:51] *activelow (~activelow@ba4mdndc4jnne.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:56] schestowitz "Issues" (with uppercase "i", it's like a brand, a proprietary extension to Git for bug reports that Microsoft controls and won't let you export, at least not easily) [11:56] schestowitz funding for OpenBSD LLL [11:56] schestowitz features that would mostly be beneficial to Microsoft and to Windows [11:57] schestowitz Torvakds pointed out, albeit not so explicitly, "contributions" (so-called 'PRs') from GitHub would likely come from people who don't know how to use Git and E-mail, which means that the quality of the code is low and origin/motivation suspect. [11:57] schestowitz opening up to more people (when more code does not necessarily mean "better") isn't a measure of success, especially if it's something like a kernel where security is paramount [11:57] schestowitz the risk of putting a foot in Microsoft's doorstep, letting momentum be built up in the wrong platform -- a platform you do not actually control, as noted by Blender well before Microsoft had ambushed GitHub (2014) and then bought it (2018) [11:57] Techrights-sec https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=164278783905001&w=2 [11:57] Techrights-sec https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=164278748004702&w=2 [11:57] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-marc.info | 'Re: FYI - On the subject of non-OpenBSD developers asking "ok?"' - MARC [11:57] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-marc.info | 'Re: FYI - On the subject of non-OpenBSD developers asking "ok?"' - MARC [11:59] schestowitz-TR2 ty [11:59] schestowitz-TR2 \\\typing up a draft at the moment [11:59] schestowitz-TR2 might be worth checking who josh stein works for [11:59] Techrights-sec https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=164278687804194&w=2 [11:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-marc.info | 'Re: FYI - On the subject of non-OpenBSD developers asking "ok?"' - MARC ● Jan 31 [12:01] Techrights-sec https://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html [12:01] Techrights-sec m$ tossed them some chump change; it's a large sum for openbsd, but for a [12:01] Techrights-sec marketing company it's so small an amount that probably no one needed to sign [12:01] Techrights-sec off on it [12:01] Techrights-sec no idea where he works [12:01] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.openbsdfoundation.org | Donate to the OpenBSD Foundation [12:03] Techrights-sec there were others in the thread boosting m$ github [12:03] Techrights-sec ALternatives: https://sr.ht/ [12:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sr.ht | sourcehut hub [12:03] Techrights-sec https://codeberg.org/ [12:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-codeberg.org | Codeberg.org [12:05] Techrights-sec gitlab [12:05] Techrights-sec bitbucket [12:05] Techrights-sec not sure sourceforge is still worthy [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 ack [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 ty [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 I am reproducing in full the email messages on the matter [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 so any more GOOD email messages that you can point to would helpo [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 I want to use the cxounterarguments [12:09] schestowitz-TR2 that are easier to reuse so to speak [12:33] Techrights-sec the e-mail messages are myopically focused on the technical aspects as per the pp [12:33] Techrights-sec ublic lists; what is equally important is to observe reuse of m$ tactics [12:33] Techrights-sec to disrupt and control; [12:33] Techrights-sec " We had two Gold contributors in 2020 Camiel Dobbelaar and Microsoft. " [12:33] Techrights-sec https://www.openbsdfoundation.org/campaign2021.html [12:33] Techrights-sec restarting httpd [12:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.openbsdfoundation.org | The OpenBSD Foundation 2021 Fundraising Campaign ● Jan 31 [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 creude first draft [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 taking a break [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 very, very creude [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 but giuves room for suggestions [13:10] schestowitz-TR2 let me know when done, i might do a video about this later [13:10] schestowitz-TR2 the draft [13:10] Techrights-sec done with which task? [13:10] Techrights-sec checking [13:11] schestowitz-TR2 oh, needs restart [13:23] Techrights-sec Also it is important to highligh the control that self-hosting of [13:23] Techrights-sec version control and bug tracking gives. Also for those that do not want to or [13:23] Techrights-sec cannot self-host, then there are many alternatives which are far better than [13:23] Techrights-sec M$ GitHub. See the list from earlier. [13:35] Techrights-sec ack [13:35] Techrights-sec restarting again [13:35] schestowitz-TR2 wow, back with a bang (the issue) after almost 2 days of calm [13:46] schestowitz " [13:46] schestowitz [LSCMN] General Assembly on Tuesday 25 January, 15.00h: Recording and slides now available [13:46] schestowitz Dear colleagues, [13:46] schestowitz On 25 January, 950 colleagues in Munich followed the live transmission of the 1st General Assembly of 2022 organized by the Local Staff Committee Munich (LSCMN). [13:46] schestowitz The video recording can be found here and links to the slides in the table below: [13:46] schestowitz [13:46] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz Topic [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz Starting time [13:47] schestowitz in recording [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz Further information [13:47] schestowitz 1 [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz New Normal - Teleworking [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz 1:51 [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz slides, publication [13:47] schestowitz 2 [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz Career System [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz 9:27 [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz slides [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz Fixed-term contracts [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz 17:52 [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz publication, video [13:47] schestowitz 3 [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz Salary Adjustment Procedure [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz 24:01 [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz slides, publication [13:47] schestowitz 4 [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz POLL: what to do next? [13:47] schestowitz [13:47] schestowitz 38:38 [13:47] schestowitz [13:48] schestowitz slides including poll results [13:48] schestowitz 5 [13:48] schestowitz [13:48] schestowitz Q&A [13:48] schestowitz [13:48] schestowitz 56:36 [13:48] schestowitz [13:48] schestowitz [13:48] schestowitz [13:48] schestowitz During the meeting, a poll took place: 93% are rather dissatisfied about the current situation at the EPO and 89% consider participating in industrial actions. [13:48] schestowitz We received many questions from the audience, and we are currently compiling a document in which we will address all open questions. However, if you have any open questions, please do not hesitate to contact us at mnstcom@epo.org. [13:48] schestowitz We thank everybody who participated. We are already planning to organise a similar meeting soon. [13:48] schestowitz Kind regards [13:48] schestowitz Your Local Staff Committee Munich - LSCMN [13:48] schestowitz " ● Jan 31 [14:18] schestowitz-TR2 i wwill mention this later when rianne goes out to shoip and I record [14:23] Techrights-sec looking [14:23] Techrights-sec Expand very briefly on the opening sentence by identify /which/ misinformation [14:23] Techrights-sec is being spread. ALT text for image [14:25] schestowitz-TR2 draft [14:25] schestowitz-TR2 ok, adding some URLs and image was not aded yet, was work in progress [14:30] schestowitz-TR2 btw, I installed mat2 for removing metadata from files [14:30] schestowitz-TR2 the EPO stuff is very urgent right now [14:30] schestowitz-TR2 more so than the FOSS things [14:30] schestowitz-TR2 (IMHO) [14:30] schestowitz-TR2 also, we are like the only site still covering that [14:30] schestowitz-TR2 so if we say nothing, others will not [14:34] Techrights-sec ack [14:35] schestowitz-TR2 maybe when I record the video about openbsd [14:35] schestowitz-TR2 I will try to focus on another angle [14:35] schestowitz-TR2 namely, why copyleft or reciprocal [14:35] schestowitz-TR2 bnetter protects you from abuse via things like [14:35] schestowitz-TR2 shithub, NSA, Microsoft etc. [14:37] Techrights-sec that might be mentioned in passing but if focusing on OpenBSD, they have no [14:37] Techrights-sec interest in reciprocal licensing and the self-determination and intergrity [14:37] Techrights-sec of the project and code base are of priority from waht I read of them [14:37] Techrights-sec So another video or post might focus on the need for reciprocity but [14:37] Techrights-sec it's one of those things they seem to be aware of but due to internal politics [14:38] Techrights-sec avoid mention explicitly. M$ could close down GitHib on a whim or mess [14:38] Techrights-sec with the code archive's contents when it wishes to with no recourse to the [14:38] Techrights-sec projects invovled. [14:38] Techrights-sec Yes. [14:38] schestowitz-TR2 ok, so I shall focus on the self-determinationm aspect [14:38] schestowitz-TR2 reciprocisy being a side issue [14:38] schestowitz-TR2 maybe security-breaking patches can be mentioned [14:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [14:40] *psydroid4 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jan 31 [16:20] Techrights-sec restarting httpd [16:26] schestowitz video git - done, but needs text to go with it, have not started that yet [16:26] schestowitz-TR2 thanks, just recorded 2 videos in a row [16:26] schestowitz-TR2 see draft [16:26] schestowitz-TR2 (i mean, if you want ;-) ) [16:56] Techrights-sec ack [16:56] Techrights-sec checking ● Jan 31 [17:11] schestowitz-TR2 added a draft for openbsd [17:38] Techrights-sec The last paragraph is off. When following the thread it is imporant to keep [17:38] Techrights-sec track of who is a developer, and thus speaks with authority, and who is one [17:38] Techrights-sec ^on [17:38] Techrights-sec the outside. Probably best to avoid making recommendations and just stick to [17:38] Techrights-sec observations and facts. [17:38] Techrights-sec So the sentence with "that needs to" ought to be reworded. [17:40] schestowitz-TR2 I swapped needs with tends [17:42] Techrights-sec thanks [17:46] schestowitz-TR2 my bad ● Jan 31 [18:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:01] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:19] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4rkkbgz2fzdj8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:30] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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