●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, July 02, 2021 ●● ● Jul 02 [02:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [02:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 02 [03:02] schestowitz > https://twitter.com/rampcapitalllc/status/1410585529704407043?s=21 [03:02] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@RampCapitalLLC: Oh no baby, what is you doin? https://t.co/AeKPxsc2Vp [03:02] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@RampCapitalLLC: Oh no baby, what is you doin? https://t.co/AeKPxsc2Vp [03:02] schestowitz > [03:02] schestowitz > [03:02] schestowitz > Ballmer going after dicks! [03:02] schestowitz At least they were not kids! [03:22] schestowitz safer to publish now, partly redacted: [03:22] schestowitz [22:00] ping [03:22] schestowitz [22:01] minutes ago our team lost Champions League final :-( [03:22] schestowitz [22:01] I only had 1 hours of sleep [03:22] schestowitz [22:01] hi [03:22] schestowitz [22:01] woke up, saw what I considered to be comprehensive misunderstanding of my position in IRC [03:22] schestowitz [22:01] i really think it is inappropriate for myself to be xxxxxxxxxxx of techrights anymore [03:22] schestowitz [22:01] heart sank [03:22] schestowitz [22:01] stopped the football and all [03:22] schestowitz [22:02] I want to ensure you know I condemned the person you don't agree with [03:22] schestowitz [22:02] as I said hours ago in my article, it's a choice between two evils [03:22] schestowitz [22:02] but by remaining on freenode and publishing articles about how people are lying about freenode's demise, you legitimize him [03:23] schestowitz [22:02] of different kinds [03:23] schestowitz [22:02] andrew lee is a threat to digital autonomy [03:23] schestowitz [22:02] I published not an endorsement of freenode [03:23] schestowitz [22:03] but I said several times in my video the video was about confronting a falsehood [03:23] schestowitz [22:03] freenode was at 80k a week ago [03:23] schestowitz [22:03] and it would be unfair to fill the gap with what you think I said [03:23] schestowitz [22:03] now its at 60k [03:23] schestowitz [22:03] listen to the first 2 mins of the video [03:23] schestowitz [22:03] whats untrue? [03:23] schestowitz [22:03] :D [03:23] schestowitz [22:03] I said this repeatedly even [03:23] schestowitz [22:03] have a listen, please [03:23] schestowitz [22:03] I regret this whole IRC split [03:23] schestowitz [22:04] and I want to keep something stable for us to expose EPO corruption with [03:23] schestowitz [22:04] i will, but i won't go to freenode again as a user [03:23] schestowitz [22:04] we did score a MAJOR win on Friday [03:23] schestowitz [22:04] our series now threatens the whole corrupt EPO management and swpats decisions made for 8 years [03:23] schestowitz [22:04] that's good [03:23] schestowitz [22:04] have a listen to the video [03:23] schestowitz [22:05] I never defended freenode, esp. after the period of time weeks ago [03:23] schestowitz [22:05] the problem is, though [03:23] schestowitz [22:05] I was actually blasted by some of them for being critical [03:23] schestowitz [22:05] and i have tried to reason with andrew a lot [03:23] schestowitz [22:05] by freenode people (Lee Bros) [03:23] schestowitz [22:05] i care about digital autonomy (of which software freedom is a huge component) [03:23] schestowitz [22:05] so now I'm blasted from both sides -- unfair to me IMHO [03:23] schestowitz [22:05] i see what lee did as an attack on the autonomy of communities [03:23] schestowitz [22:06] it is the same issue as microsoft buying github [03:23] schestowitz [22:06] I don't trust him [03:23] schestowitz [22:06] I spoke to him in length [03:23] schestowitz [22:06] he's a poser [03:23] schestowitz [22:06] i also do not think it is good for libera to have all users [03:23] schestowitz [22:06] i wish more people would self-host [03:23] schestowitz [22:06] please make sure to also see me blasting him to his face, in public, like half a dozen times [03:23] schestowitz [22:07] I never mentioned libera [03:23] schestowitz [22:07] by name [03:23] schestowitz [22:07] almost never [03:23] schestowitz [22:07] I am not against the volunteers there [03:23] schestowitz [22:07] but I think this infighting harms all of us [03:23] schestowitz [22:07] and 1.5 weeks ago I stopped writing about it [03:24] schestowitz [22:07] i agree that this has sure wasted a lot of time [03:24] schestowitz [22:07] I want to focus on exposing EPO crimes [03:24] schestowitz [22:07] this is OUR BREAD AND BUTTER [03:24] schestowitz [22:07] I don't want this politics and disruption to the foundations [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] yes, EPO crimes and software patent advocacy is why i want to support techrights [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] it happened in March also (RMS thing) [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] Please consider supporting us [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] okay, fine [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] i'll continue with it [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] I really WOULD RATHER JUST FOCUS ON THE LEAKS [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] not that partisan drama [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] but i wont use freenode [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] that's OK [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] I don't want to either [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] but that's where we have been for 13 years!! [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] maybe consider moving to OFTC or we could set up an ircd on the techrights server [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] I didn't choose freenode [03:24] schestowitz [22:08] a friend chose it for me [03:24] schestowitz [22:09] and that's where we are [03:24] schestowitz [22:09] freenode was good then :) [03:24] schestowitz [22:09] sort of stuck, not choice [03:24] schestowitz [22:09] leenode is bad now :) [03:24] schestowitz [22:09] it's troubling, yes [03:24] schestowitz [22:09] if xxxxx can move in 6 hours [03:24] schestowitz [22:09] you can move [03:24] schestowitz [22:09] :P [03:24] schestowitz [22:09] but i need to focus on publishing operations, I do this for no financial gain [03:24] schestowitz [22:09] true [03:24] schestowitz [22:09] and I need something that lets me focus on writing [03:24] schestowitz [22:09] not getting stressed out over platforms [03:24] schestowitz [22:10] well if you want to self-host an ircd [03:24] schestowitz [22:10] i can set one up [03:24] schestowitz [22:10] that would be excellent! [03:24] schestowitz [22:10] self-hosting IrC [03:24] schestowitz [22:10] I can branch out a DNS entry [03:24] schestowitz [22:10] subdomain like irc.techrights.org [03:24] schestowitz [22:10] yep [03:24] schestowitz [22:10] i suppose it can be robust [03:24] schestowitz [22:10] in terms of uptime etc. [03:24] schestowitz [22:10] 23.161.112.117 [03:25] schestowitz [22:10] if we get .. yes [03:25] schestowitz [22:10] you beat me to it [03:25] schestowitz [22:10] 2602:fd37:1::117 [03:25] schestowitz [22:11] btw [03:25] schestowitz [22:11] i am talking to FSF [03:25] schestowitz [22:11] they too should self-host [03:25] schestowitz [22:11] i showed them some things i have been working on [03:25] schestowitz [22:11] imho [03:25] schestowitz [22:11] to enable loose confederations [03:25] schestowitz [22:11] and they are interested in self hosting [03:25] schestowitz [22:11] they should [03:25] schestowitz [22:11] i see libera as "immediately solve the threat" [03:25] schestowitz [22:11] but self-hosting is the cure [03:25] schestowitz [22:12] I don't want to be at the mercy of people, I think we need to move the Internet in that direction [03:25] schestowitz [22:12] at the very lease to set an example [03:25] schestowitz [22:12] and for somebody who is an "anti-GPL shill" like crystalmath says, this work is under AGPL [03:25] schestowitz [22:12] sooooo [03:25] schestowitz [22:12] :P [03:25] schestowitz [22:12] btw [03:25] schestowitz [22:12] we spoke about self-hosting irc last year [03:25] schestowitz [22:12] and considered the issues [03:25] schestowitz [22:12] like lack of expertise [03:25] schestowitz [22:12] but you are like an IRC guru [03:25] schestowitz [22:13] if I set up the sub-domain, will that work OK? I mean, once a container is there... [03:25] schestowitz [22:13] okay [03:25] schestowitz [22:13] well i'll set something up [03:25] schestowitz [22:13] yep [03:25] schestowitz [22:13] :-) [03:25] schestowitz [22:13] i can make a container [03:25] schestowitz [22:15] I'll do dns. Now is a good time? [03:25] schestowitz [22:15] sure [03:25] schestowitz [22:16] /me setting up sub domain [03:25] schestowitz [22:20] kk [03:25] schestowitz [22:20] i think also if techrights leaves freenode [03:25] schestowitz [22:20] a lot of the trolls won't move [03:25] schestowitz [22:20] and i think that will actually help a lot [03:25] schestowitz [22:20] I know what you mean [03:25] schestowitz [22:24] i'm going to set up oragono for right now [03:25] schestowitz [22:24] i'm working on a platform called xxxxx [03:25] schestowitz [22:24] setting up dns [03:26] schestowitz [22:24] mincer says he can help manage it if needed [03:26] schestowitz [22:24] which distributes the authority that "services" usually uses [03:26] schestowitz [22:24] yes mincer is a good ircop [03:26] schestowitz [22:24] he said so but he lacks a lot of experience, still rookie [03:26] schestowitz [22:24] he used to be an ircop on my old network [03:26] schestowitz [22:25] i think once xxxx is ready [03:26] schestowitz [22:25] we should be able to federate with FSF [03:26] schestowitz [22:25] they want to use xxxxxx too [03:26] schestowitz [22:26] I don't know what that is [03:26] schestowitz [22:27] xxxxx is an IRCD which replaces services (NickServ/ChanServ) with distributed authority [03:26] schestowitz [22:27] so accounts and access lists are native to the IRC network itself [03:26] schestowitz [22:27] and federate through the IRC network [03:26] schestowitz [22:27] it is ironically what rasengan wants to build [03:26] schestowitz [22:27] but he has no idea how to build it, and he would want to monetize it, so i am making it AGPL :P [03:26] schestowitz [22:28] haha [03:26] schestowitz [22:28] quality! [03:26] schestowitz [22:28] anyway, he would not oppose [03:26] schestowitz [22:29] maybe this will be the time things work across networks better [03:26] schestowitz [22:29] well i think traditional irc networks will continue to exist [03:26] schestowitz [22:29] xxxxx is a lot different [03:26] schestowitz [22:30] good use case, I hope [03:26] schestowitz [22:30] well, i am building xxxxx to take on discord & slack mainly [03:26] schestowitz [22:30] but the distributed authority also helps for this use case [03:26] schestowitz [22:31] anyway, let me know when the A/AAAA records are set up [03:26] schestowitz [22:31] sure [03:26] schestowitz [22:36] irc.techrights.org. 3600 A [03:26] schestowitz [22:36] 23.161.112.117 [03:26] schestowitz [22:36] yep [03:26] schestowitz [22:36] and [03:26] schestowitz [22:36] do I need to add AAA also? [03:26] schestowitz [22:36] yeah for ipv6 [03:26] schestowitz [22:36] ok, it complaints about the string 2602:fd37:1::117 [03:26] schestowitz [22:36] maybe the double colon? [03:26] schestowitz [22:36] AAAA [03:26] schestowitz [22:37] irc.techrights.org. 3600 IN AAAA does not form a valid DNS resource record. (Syntax error, value expected) [03:26] schestowitz [22:38] dunno [03:26] schestowitz [22:38] fuck it [03:26] schestowitz [22:38] ipv4 only for now [03:26] schestowitz [22:38] :P [03:26] schestowitz [22:38] cool, I will keep trying [03:27] schestowitz [22:41] I tried also 2602:fd37:fff:1::6 [03:27] schestowitz [22:42] try [03:27] schestowitz [22:42] maybe ipv6 isn't supported by this admin panel that I use (cpanel) [03:27] schestowitz [22:42] maybe [03:27] schestowitz [22:42] dunno [03:27] schestowitz [22:42] what else to try? [03:27] schestowitz [22:42] seems like abbreviated address? [03:27] schestowitz [22:42] lets just focus on ipv4 [03:27] schestowitz [22:42] atm [03:27] schestowitz [22:42] i'll look up how to do it in WHM [03:27] schestowitz [22:42] ok [03:27] schestowitz [22:42] it's set up now [03:27] schestowitz [22:42] for ipv4 [03:27] schestowitz [22:43] ping irc.techrights.org [03:27] schestowitz [22:43] PING irc.techrights.org (23.161.112.117) 56(84) bytes of data. [03:27] schestowitz [22:43] 64 bytes from 23-161-112-117.static.as398493.net (23.161.112.117): icmp_seq=18 ttl=50 time=243 ms [03:27] schestowitz [22:43] yep [03:27] schestowitz [22:47] btw [03:27] schestowitz [22:47] xxxxxx/1760687104.pdf [03:27] schestowitz [22:47] if you want an peek into andrew's empire [03:27] schestowitz [22:47] that one is pretty exhaustive [03:27] schestowitz [22:48] i think it is pretty fascinating that a bunch of people represented by miller fucking barondess are suing him [03:27] schestowitz [22:48] like what [03:27] schestowitz [22:48] I spoke to him about debt and all [03:27] schestowitz [22:48] if you read what I said in IRC logs and posts, you'll know I see it as problematic [03:27] schestowitz [22:48] you know miller barondess is a big huge hollywood lawfirm right [03:27] schestowitz [22:48] he pissed off an actress [03:27] schestowitz [22:49] I worry about the foundations of kape and finances [03:27] schestowitz [22:49] because I know "the type" [03:27] schestowitz [22:51] oh well, freenode was rotten before andrew came along [03:27] schestowitz [22:51] maybe that's his end game, run the network into the ground [03:27] schestowitz [22:52] by staffing up nazis [03:27] schestowitz [22:52] freenode was always a "third party" situation, which last year we debated [03:27] schestowitz [22:52] but we lacked the skills of irc admins [03:27] schestowitz [22:52] all those guilt by association things are really troubling [03:27] schestowitz [22:53] like trying to make me seem "right wing" somehow, which is so bizarre [03:27] schestowitz [22:53] well, there were a lot of right-wing trolls in #techrights [03:27] schestowitz [22:53] was my point :p [03:27] schestowitz [22:56] short of being authoritarian 'irccop' there's no simple solution to such situation... and like I said, I wanted to just focus on writing [03:27] schestowitz [22:57] but I recognise the risk of insider infiltration [03:28] schestowitz [22:57] I saw this done to other groups over the years [03:28] schestowitz [22:59] they used the rms "cancel culture" issue as a wedge [03:28] schestowitz [22:59] RMS has many important things to say, inc. on patents [03:28] schestowitz [23:00] i agree [03:28] schestowitz [23:00] its a complicated issue [03:28] schestowitz [23:00] remember this [03:28] schestowitz [23:01] any time you get upset at me [03:28] schestowitz [23:01] I want to write [03:28] schestowitz [23:01] and not to deal with letters and patent threats [03:28] schestowitz [23:01] or SLAPP [03:28] schestowitz [23:01] which still happens [03:28] schestowitz [23:01] I never had it easy... never [03:28] schestowitz [23:01] yes, i understand now why you were being very careful with andrew [03:28] schestowitz [23:02] my first coverage of this wasn't positive for him, nor was the latest... but he's running out of allies [03:28] schestowitz [23:02] he has no allies [03:28] schestowitz [23:02] when he took 700 channels away, he forced my hand [03:28] schestowitz [23:02] they think he oozes money [03:28] schestowitz [23:02] which I doubt, I spoke to him [03:28] schestowitz [23:03] i think he burned through much of the kape money [03:28] schestowitz [23:03] that is what happens when poor people get rich [03:28] schestowitz [23:03] they blow through the money [03:28] schestowitz [23:03] because htey think there will be more [03:28] schestowitz [23:04] i think he is 'asset rich', but not necessarily 'cash rich' [03:28] schestowitz [23:04] if that makes sense [03:28] schestowitz [23:04] but he is still rich enough, even cash-wise to be a significant threat [03:28] schestowitz [23:04] it is not acceptable for freenode to be "the home of FOSS" [03:28] schestowitz [23:04] I never said it was :0-) [03:28] schestowitz [23:05] i know, but he wants it to be [03:28] schestowitz [23:05] I just wanted stability, not having to worry about rushing from the pen to the fire [03:28] schestowitz [23:05] that should scare the hell out of everyone [03:28] schestowitz [23:05] the upside is, we seize control of IRC at DNS level [03:28] schestowitz [23:08] anyway i am setting up oragono as a placeholder ircd [03:28] schestowitz [23:09] excellent! thanks [03:28] schestowitz [23:09] andrew just complimented you, he's cool with us self-hosting [03:28] schestowitz [23:10] as I asked in the channel is self-hosting IRC is OK [03:28] schestowitz [23:10] *if [03:28] schestowitz [23:10] i know [03:28] schestowitz [23:11] crystalmath is just mad that i called him xxxxx by accident instead of explaining that he wants all humans to die [03:28] schestowitz [23:11] :P [03:28] schestowitz [23:11] yes, he did say something to that effect [03:29] schestowitz [23:11] was very depressed [03:29] schestowitz [23:12] but not malicious person [03:29] schestowitz [23:12] i see [03:29] schestowitz [23:12] okay, i will update my opinion [03:29] schestowitz [23:12] :P [03:29] schestowitz [23:14] many of us have depression at some stage of life [03:29] schestowitz [23:14] fair [03:29] schestowitz [23:14] even very affluent people [03:29] schestowitz [23:15] do you want to accept non-SSL connections [03:29] schestowitz [23:15] to irc.techrights.org [03:29] schestowitz [23:15] i would assume not [03:29] schestowitz [23:16] do most networks accept it? [03:29] schestowitz [23:16] I guess going with "irc." was a matter of consistency [03:29] schestowitz [23:16] i'll just leave plaintext enabled [03:29] schestowitz [23:16] OK, cool [03:29] schestowitz [23:16] though SSL is better [03:29] schestowitz [23:17] I assume some older clients and maybe our bots might not cope [03:29] schestowitz [23:39] seems up [03:29] schestowitz [23:39] :-) [03:29] schestowitz [23:39] will connect ● Jul 02 [07:03] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jul 02 [08:09] *psydroid_ (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techbytes [08:36] *psydroid_ has quit (connection closed) [08:47] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes ● Jul 02 [11:15] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [11:59] *psydroid_ (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 02 [12:10] *psydroid_ has quit (connection closed) [12:10] *psydroid_ (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 02 [13:10] schestowitz https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1410911797457080323 [13:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@glynmoody: crucially important to support these endangered languages while there are still native speakers https://t.co/JnWFC9y3OO [13:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: NEWS #SiliconAngle #Cherokee Cherokee Nation, Presidio develop platform to help preserve Cherokee language an https://t.co/KtWtvMwdXf [13:10] schestowitz https://twitter.com/penelopelewis34/status/1410910095731412993 [13:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@penelopelewis34: the #Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) narrowly approved the construction of a new 42 diameter gas pipel https://t.co/d2g1DlJk2t [13:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@penelopelewis34: the #Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) narrowly approved the construction of a new 42 diameter gas pipel https://t.co/d2g1DlJk2t [13:10] schestowitz "the #Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) narrowly approved the construction of a new 42 diameter gas pipeline that will connect shale wells in #Louisiana, #USNews" [13:10] schestowitz https://twitter.com/JaimeCalaveras/status/1410781851153670153 [13:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@JaimeCalaveras: @schestowitz I seriously thought he was going to slap their glutes at the end too lol. [13:10] schestowitz https://twitter.com/redhog_org/status/1410523971930501123 [13:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@redhog_org: @schestowitz TrecherusPlatformModule. Makes your computer follow orders from someone else and disobey your will. [13:11] schestowitz https://twitter.com/charlamanesbane/status/1410513300710772739 [13:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@charlamanesbane: #CrimesAgainstHumanity #ExxonKnew #ClimateCrisis #EcologicalCollapse #GreenNewDeal https://t.co/rm8wuCGRvE [13:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: NEWS #DeSmog #Climate The Climate Crisis is a Crime that Should be Prosecuted https://t.co/7Mx4DHdNjs ● Jul 02 [14:24] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@6dye47i4qbawi.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 02 [18:22] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jul 02 [19:38] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ikndeyq3khxi2.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 02 [20:52] schestowitz https://twitter.com/0xFreak71/status/1411048244130484235 [20:52] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@0xFreak71: , systemd :P https://t.co/XCQRjId5bZ [20:52] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Censored by #ibm trolls: IBM is Destroying #RedHat and Red Hatters Are Leaving https://t.co/IBBmRBQ8jN [20:53] schestowitz https://twitter.com/jvantill/status/1410991360149233671 [20:53] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jvantill: @schestowitz WHAT ? [20:53] schestowitz https://twitter.com/HP_Australia/status/1410959605119676424 [20:53] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HP_Australia: @schestowitz Kindly share with us the serial number of the unit in a DM. ^ Damini https://t.co/K8NcWaSD54 [20:53] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/messages/compose?recipient_id=18177786 ) ● Jul 02 [22:19] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jul 02 [23:59] *psydroid_ has quit (connection closed)