●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, July 03, 2021 ●● ● Jul 03 [01:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [01:19] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:25] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [01:34] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:45] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:46] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 03 [02:58] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:59] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 03 [03:08] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [03:10] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [03:34] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 03 [04:03] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:04] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:11] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [04:13] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 03 [06:00] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:07] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [06:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 03 [07:58] *psydroid_ (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 03 [08:15] *psydruid has quit (connection closed) [08:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [08:31] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:32] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [08:33] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 03 [09:19] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:19] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:26] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [09:27] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [09:36] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:36] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:45] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [09:45] schestowitz "The software is licensed, not sold. Microsoft reserves all other rights. Unless applicable law gives you more rights despite this limitation, you will not (and have no right to): [09:46] schestowitz [...] [09:46] schestowitz reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble the software, or otherwise attempt to derive the source code for the software, except and to the extent required by third party licensing terms governing use of certain open source components that may be included in the software;" [09:46] schestowitz https://www.lobe.ai/license [09:46] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.lobe.ai | Lobe | Machine Learning Made Easy [09:46] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 03 [11:25] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:25] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:31] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [11:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 03 [12:45] schestowitz MinceR: this is about a month old [12:45] schestowitz no longer relevant, worth sharing for trasparency's sake: [12:45] schestowitz [00:09] hi [12:45] schestowitz [00:10] for various reasons, i dont want to host things on my network anymore that i am not directly responsible for. can we work together to find new hosting arrangements for xxxxx? [12:45] schestowitz [00:12] I agree that the IRC channel in freenode attracted some unsavoury words and views [12:45] schestowitz [00:12] maybe we can make the two networks disjoint [12:45] schestowitz [00:13] the one that's officially ours [12:46] schestowitz [00:13] and freenode [12:46] schestowitz [00:13] this way the problem of intrusion by unknown crazies goes away [12:46] schestowitz [00:13] I actually thought about it last week [12:46] schestowitz [00:14] we can then 'sanitise' away things we don't wish Techrights to be associated with. Tux Machines had a spam problem and when we closed new registrations the abuse problem basically went away and there were no fights anymore. [12:46] schestowitz [00:14] this isnt about the IRC channel [12:46] schestowitz [00:14] The site itself does not carry such viewss [12:46] schestowitz [00:14] this is about not wanting to host things that i am not responsible for [12:46] schestowitz [00:15] it tends to be IRC [12:46] schestowitz [00:15] and that is not part of the site except as a thitd paty forum [12:46] schestowitz [00:15] Phoronix has the same problem [12:46] schestowitz [00:15] i feel obligated to explain myself to people over things that other people are doing with their own projects, and i do not wish to be in this position anymore [12:46] schestowitz [00:15] it is really just as simple as that [12:46] schestowitz [00:15] you don't need to tell them about the hosting [12:46] schestowitz [00:16] they try to make voices go away [12:46] schestowitz [00:16] and let them talk to me directly [12:46] schestowitz [00:16] I would not be rude [12:46] schestowitz [00:16] don't let them press you about that [12:46] schestowitz [00:16] but this does not really solve the quandary i find myself in [12:46] schestowitz [00:17] who was putting pressure and why? [12:46] schestowitz [00:17] I can only make guesses [12:46] schestowitz [00:17] well, matthew and myself share a lot of the same friends [12:46] schestowitz [00:17] for one [12:46] schestowitz [00:17] but it would be the right thing to not allow voices to vanish by pressure and threats (I mean the site, not IRC) [12:46] schestowitz [00:17] matthew just keeps trying to silence people [12:46] schestowitz [00:18] and he's inciting against me based on a falsehood [12:46] schestowitz [00:18] he has a grudge with baronsomething [12:46] schestowitz [00:18] he has spent years trying to silence us, even before you hosted the site [12:46] schestowitz [00:18] i see [12:46] schestowitz [00:19] he has connections [12:46] schestowitz [00:19] and he knows how to use them [12:46] schestowitz [00:19] but again, this is not my point [12:46] schestowitz [00:19] i'm listening, I can adapt to the situation [12:46] schestowitz [00:19] i want to have only things controlled directly by me on my network. crystalmath is right that we should find new hosting for techrights [12:46] schestowitz [00:19] no, it would just move the pressure to someone else [12:46] schestowitz [00:20] I know how those people work [12:46] schestowitz [00:20] nobody has pressured me to drop techrights [12:46] schestowitz [00:20] not xxxxxxx, not the linux foundation, not anybody [12:46] schestowitz [00:20] best to just not mention that you host it and not let them use you as a pressure point [12:46] schestowitz [00:20] i want to be 100000000% clear on that [12:46] schestowitz [00:20] yes, I know [12:47] schestowitz [00:20] but peers do [12:47] schestowitz [00:20] because he's lying about me [12:47] schestowitz [00:20] since years ago [12:47] schestowitz [00:20] peers certainly have asked questions [12:47] schestowitz [00:21] let me talk to those peers, give them my email address [12:47] schestowitz [00:21] I can clarify my positions [12:47] schestowitz [00:21] the problem is that they hold your own irc logs against you [12:47] schestowitz [00:21] for example, matthew linked to them to illustrate his point about transphobia [12:47] schestowitz [00:21] like I told you about a year ago, it boils down to explaining things because people try to cause misunderstanding to drive a wedge [12:47] schestowitz [00:22] he has a point, but IRC is a forum type like this [12:47] schestowitz [00:22] it can be better moderated [12:47] schestowitz [00:22] and he didn't quote me [12:47] schestowitz [00:22] mincer moderates it [12:47] schestowitz [00:22] even the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines (as written by RMS) would find this behavior problematic [12:47] schestowitz [00:22] you yourself recommended him [12:47] schestowitz [00:23] yes, gnu banned pocock [12:47] schestowitz [00:23] his blog posts escalated sharply [12:47] schestowitz [00:23] we already imposed some IRC bans over the years [12:47] schestowitz [00:24] usually when mincer saw no other choice [12:47] schestowitz [00:24] I took a break from IRC for today, as it was getting very tenuous [12:47] schestowitz [00:24] anyway [12:47] schestowitz [00:24] even for me [12:47] schestowitz [00:24] maybe we can do something to make the IRC a little more friendly :) [12:47] schestowitz [00:24] I'll speak to micer [12:47] schestowitz [00:24] mincer [12:47] schestowitz [00:24] it seems like [12:47] schestowitz [00:24] yeah [12:47] schestowitz [00:24] the IRC is quite demoralizing [12:47] schestowitz [00:25] it is [12:47] schestowitz [00:25] for me also [12:47] schestowitz [00:25] debian irc is also like that [12:47] schestowitz [00:25] not the channels on OFTC [12:47] schestowitz [00:25] they hate being quoted from irc (not that I do that) [12:47] schestowitz [00:25] #debian-devel is a tight ship [12:47] schestowitz [00:25] oftc too if it grew bigger [12:47] schestowitz [00:25] the trolls infest the "big" places [12:47] schestowitz [00:26] I'll have a word with mincer now [12:47] schestowitz (mildly redacted) [12:47] schestowitz some people who can make up the blanks, that's fine... there would be no harm in that [12:47] schestowitz (the above is out of date, we got these things resolved) [12:48] schestowitz also, FTR: [12:48] schestowitz [15:08] leah has one hell of a vision for GNU/FSF, and i actually support it so far [12:48] schestowitz [15:09] you should ask her about it [12:48] schestowitz [15:09] excellent, will do... [12:48] schestowitz [15:09] we have a lot more in common, we need to be able to tolerate the smaller differences [12:48] schestowitz (this is good because they used to hate each other, but we got them talking amicably again) [12:48] schestowitz some time this month of next month redacted things about EPO will be released [12:48] schestowitz lots going on behind the scenes [12:48] MinceR :) [12:48] schestowitz I don't keep secret and things hidden, except passwords, or from audiences that don't need access as they're far too hostile [12:48] schestowitz but at least you know where we stood/stand [12:48] schestowitz you're generally correct about independence [12:49] schestowitz a view shared by Techrights-sec [12:49] schestowitz but we have to work with the limitations of resources [12:49] schestowitz inc. ISPs [12:49] schestowitz I can lose my home connection for hosting certain things, obviously, when political pressure intensifies [12:50] schestowitz the boundaries are clear [12:50] schestowitz from the above [12:50] schestowitz the key part is this: [12:50] schestowitz [12:45] [00:15] i feel obligated to explain myself to people over things that other people are doing with their own projects, and i do not wish to be in this position anymore [12:50] schestowitz I think that's the most important line [12:50] schestowitz not openly naming the host can help [12:52] schestowitz (this goes out to anyone else reading this and can fill the blanks) ● Jul 03 [13:57] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 03 [14:13] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@etyeeztkrma42.irc) has joined #techbytes [14:13] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [14:13] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [14:17] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:18] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@m8hmnwjcrt37i.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 03 [15:43] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:44] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:54] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [15:54] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 03 [17:06] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:07] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:10] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [17:11] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 03 [20:54] *schestowitz has quit (connection closed) [20:54] *schestowitz (~roy@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [20:54] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #techbytes schestowitz ● Jul 03 [21:41] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:56] *libertybox has quit (connection closed) [21:57] *acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 03 [22:01] *acer-box (~acer-box@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [22:10] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [22:28] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fdgfzhz5cqtsa.irc) has joined #techbytes [22:33] *psydroid_ has quit (connection closed) ● Jul 03 [23:59] *libertybox_ (~schestowitz_log@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [23:59] *acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:59] *acer-box (~acer-box@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [23:59] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes