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| schestowitz | >> So I want to ask, what is the basis of this claim? Is this factual and | Nov 04 01:53 |
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| schestowitz | > are there good articles/papers on that? If so, I'd like to read those... | Nov 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > i honestly dont know. youre not the only one to pay attention to sources of claims, i hate that its relevant at all but we would be fools to ignore such data given what we do know (about shills, etc.) | Nov 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > what irks me is that people treat it like a scarlet letter-- just as when bribeoflinux made the comment she did, she was basically saying "you cant make that argument without branding yourself." that level of idiocy really makes me feel like people are hopeless. and im not saying shes an idiot, because shes clearly very bright and i know you respect her intellect at least. i think shes lost her integrity but i dont think shes stupid. if | Nov 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | anything she should know better (and say so.) | Nov 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > what i will say is that history (as taught around here) says far too little about what happened in terms of russia, china-- probably because of all the interference. i couldnt ever be happier that hitler failed and i hope the same regarding russia, but perhaps the reason they talk so much about hitler and so little about russia in history is that so much of what was done to meddle in nazi affairs was british intrigue while so much of the | Nov 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | intrigue (international meddling and spying) with russia was american. its better to gloss over the history-- | Nov 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > the problem of course is the important lessons arent learned. i dont think i ever wanted russia to be more powerful than it is, but it contains many historical lessons we just dont learn about. so now to some people it looks like this great opportunity that never really had a fair chance, and they want to try it "for real this time." | Nov 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > i havent spent my life on one side of the debate. most of my life ive cheered on idealised socialism-- i dont expect you to believe that, but theres a very good reason people like jill stein and bernie dont bother me. theyre likeable. they make the best arguments. | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > im still a libertarian for years now, and the right has a point about certain things. im not against the dhs (why fix it if its not broken, but i realise it has suffered more recently because the right always tries to tamper with it-- always) and all medical programmes are broken but dhs seems to be less broken. the problem is, i dont trust the authorities that socialism would generally put in charge. what does that mean regarding dhs? | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | nothing, it seems to work well enough. i never had qualms about the very real possibility of living under it-- and that was quite a few years ago when it was even better. i wasnt around long enough to need to apply. | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > from where i stand theres a lot of shit on both sides, on the left and the right, but the left tends to have a lot of trouble admitting its own faults. people are expected to cooperate and be a team, even if your team members are corrupt and psychopathic. the right doesnt have that problem-- if they like a psychopath, they support him-- if they dont, they tear them down. a lot of people on the right have given up on trump. its not like i | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | voted for him. we were going to get a psychopathic self-centred corrupt blonde who sold out the country for money and promotion either way. we usually get something similar. i dont think we have any major disagreements about obama. | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > its all a mess, most people are to blame, and i dont know if anything we do will make a damned bit of difference. but when the left goes about its usual narcissistic way (and usually when i talk about narcissists im talking about open source and corporate shills and online bullies, which does bring the left in but by far its mostly aimed at open source and corporate shills in general) of blaming their opponents for everything-- and they | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | have the nerve to say that people on their own side of the political spectrum (who happen to call them out) are on the "wrong side" because of some TURN OF PHRASE. | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > yeah, that fucks me off. lying has different levels, i mean there are little lies and there are big lies, and then theres a level where it just becomes evil. some of these people have practically sold their souls. not in any way they cant fix (when i talk about souls with atheists, its typically a metaphor for ethical conduct, i wouldnt waste their time with more) but in a way they may never choose to bother. people like lunduke are happy | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | to make a living out of bullshitting. when they start smearing far better people in a way that is totally hypocritical, im happy to throw any term at them at that point. | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > but i dont use the word "marxist" just because it stings. i didnt write the handbook to be cute, either. i did it because history is a lesson people dont learn enough from, not nearly enough at all. and the people who casually throw the word "marxist" around may do so too casually, but they still have a point (sometimes.) there is still an unlearned political and historical lesson in there-- im not saying they understand it, but they are | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | willing to bring it up in a context that really could get to the real problem sooner or later. thats still more than you can say for the frauds writing history textbooks for american schools. | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | > i mean, they gloss over so much its a joke-- not unlike the american press, theyre a joke too. 5 companies! if the greens want to divert some of the socialism we have for the rich, so that it can spent a fleeting moment lining the pockets of the poor, thats fine. itll all end up in the hands of kaiser permanente somehow, though i suppose splitting up ma bell was still a very good idea, even if it was only so verizon could one day buy it all | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | up again. if you had any idea how poorly ive lived for many years-- the right wont save me from that, and the left never did either. everybodys full of shit, but rejoice-- we get to choose what flavour shit we hate the least. joking aside, all the best. thanks for asking and im sorry i dont have something more concrete for you. but the kulaks are a great place to start. i mean they actually existed. | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | OK, so in short, we do not have actual evidence to support some phrases like "cultural Marxism" | Nov 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | If there's no evince of it, it might as well be 'cultural neoliberalism' or 'cultural Conservatism' etc. | Nov 04 01:54 |
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