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    Libreboot intentionally de-blobs coreboot, which is to say that it does not include binary blobs. The coreboot software otherwise requires binary blobs on most systems that it has support for. Libreboots version of coreboot is entirely free, on its consequently reduced set of supported mainboards.

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    It was decided that a formal policy should be written, because there is quite a bit of nuance that would otherwise not be covered. Libreboots policies in this regard were previously ill defined.

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    2021 in retrospect & happy new year 2022!
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    The past year 2021 brought us all both great and sad news, with the world still fighting the COVID pandemic. Gentoo is going strong however, and we are happy to present once more our review of the events of the last 12 months. Read on for new developers, exciting changes and improvements, and up-to-date numbers on Gentoo development.

    • [02:51] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jan 06 [03:05] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@3jh8r9bw8cbgc.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jan 06 [05:06] schestowitz https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29816098 [05:06] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Balabhadra Graveley application for arrest warrant assault strangulation | Hacker News [05:06] schestowitz " [05:06] schestowitz The title needs to be changed. Right now, it implies Alex killed his girlfriend via strangulation when in fact, he allegedly assaulted her. [05:06] schestowitz reply [05:06] schestowitz [05:06] schestowitz dang 5 hours ago | parent | next [] [05:06] schestowitz I've changed the title to stay as close as possible to what the submitted document says, on the assumption that the document is authentic. [05:06] schestowitz The submitted title was "Alex Graveley, architect of GitHub Copilot, arrested for strangling girlfriend". I also assumed that meant "strangled to death" when I first saw itI think the word "strangled" in headlines tends to imply that. Assault strangulation is obviously a serious crime. [05:06] schestowitz I think the only thing it makes sense to do here is stay as close as possible to the available facts. [05:06] schestowitz reply [05:06] schestowitz [05:06] schestowitz betsydupuis 1 hour ago | root | parent | next [] [05:06] schestowitz Adding another public record verifying that the police report. https://www.austintexas.gov/police/reports/search2.cfm?choic... [05:06] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-302 redirect with weird Location: index.cfm;jsessionid=56DB0BD58E22CC0D9EDEDCA542867E93.cfusion?CFID=12716175&CFTOKEN=897f373a19420301-C9CE7E0F-B292-53AD-D82101C4933FECC6 [05:06] schestowitz reply [05:06] schestowitz [05:06] schestowitz betsydupuis 4 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:06] schestowitz https://duckduckgo.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fi... [05:06] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-html.duckduckgo.com | https://www.linkedin.com/i at DuckDuckGo [05:06] schestowitz It's still cached on duckduckgo that he's "Chief Architect of Github Copilot" on Linkedin. [05:06] schestowitz reply [05:06] schestowitz [05:06] schestowitz betsydupuis 2 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:06] schestowitz https://patents.justia.com/inventor/balabhadra-alex-graveley [05:06] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-patents.justia.com | Balabhadra "Alex" GRAVELEY Inventions, Patents and Patent Applications - Justia Patents Search [05:06] schestowitz This lists patents for MobileCoin naming Balabhadra "Alex" Graveley [05:06] schestowitz reply [05:06] schestowitz [05:06] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:06] schestowitz Here's a warrant showing that Alex is his alias and his DOB. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PG-B5678UbxeBz87Rpwn3hmWcVu... [05:06] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PG-B5678UbxeBz87Rpwn3hmWcVu/edit ) [05:06] schestowitz reply [05:06] schestowitz [05:06] schestowitz betsydupuis 4 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:06] schestowitz "Alex Graveley, architect of GitHub Copilot, arrested on strangulation charge" Does that work now that I have more supporting documents? [05:06] schestowitz reply [05:06] schestowitz [05:06] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:06] schestowitz If I send you other documents verifying that this is Alex Graveley, will you change it back? [05:06] schestowitz reply [05:06] schestowitz [05:06] schestowitz betsydupuis 6 hours ago | prev | next [] [05:06] schestowitz Alex Graveley aka Balabhadra Graveley as named in the text of the police report was arrested on 11/29/2021 after evading arrest for two months with the assistance of Github management. [05:06] schestowitz Alex was also the co-founder of Ycombinator funded startup Hackpad (acquired by Dropbox). [05:07] schestowitz Nat Friedman is Alex's best friend and hired Alex knowing he had a history of abusing other women as well. He still refuses to stop associating with Alex. [05:07] schestowitz reply [05:07] schestowitz [05:07] schestowitz XCabbage 5 hours ago | parent | next [] [05:07] schestowitz Care to share sources corroborating any of this? [05:07] schestowitz All I can find is anonymous stuff on a website called http://techrights.org/ which has a series of articles trying to in some way associate Nat with Gravely's domestic violence. [05:07] schestowitz The "best friend" claim seems to have started with a weird "teaser" post on techrights.org wherein an anonymous source claims that "many others" can confirm that Gravely was close to Nat. That of course doesn't even come close to establishing that either of them considers the other their "best friend", if it's trustworthy to begin with. [05:07] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Welcome to Techrights [05:07] schestowitz Then techrights.org cites their own teaser in other posts as saying that Gravely claims Nat is his best friend (not true, or at least not supported by the source). [05:07] schestowitz Now you are, I guess, using that as your basis to claim that they ARE in fact best friends. [05:07] schestowitz I realise it's possible you're entirely honest and have sources I don't, but this looks like a pretty cynical smear job to me, especially given that none of the sources I've managed to find asserting that the two were close date from before this domestic abuse case. I don't have any insider knowledge, but the superficial appearance of all this is that a handful of activists with something against Nat have cooked up this "best friend" narrative for [05:07] schestowitz some reason, gradually escalating the claim each time they cite each other, and ultimately it all hinges on an anonymous source saying that other anonymous sources say that the two were close once. [05:07] schestowitz reply [05:07] schestowitz [05:07] schestowitz itp 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:07] schestowitz I can't speak to any current events, but I was an employee of Ximian, formerly Helix Code, from 2000 to 2004. I also lived with Alex for a year around 2001 and/or 2002, when we lived just down the street from Nat. [05:07] schestowitz Nat and Alex were always exceptionally close, which I always found confusing. Alex was intense, passionate, charismatic, but also had troubled and troubling relationships with people, _particularly_ women. Alex was, if I remember correctly, let go from Ximian when he failed to arrive to work every day by noon for one week straight (we lived a 5 to 10 minute walk from the office). [05:07] schestowitz Even after Alex was let go, he and Nat remained fast friends. [05:07] schestowitz reply [05:07] schestowitz [05:07] schestowitz betsydupuis 3 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:07] schestowitz The lateness thing is very spot on. I have text messages of him accusing me on intentionally trying to hurt his feelings because I didn't want to sit around for hours waiting for him in a public place alone so he could finish at the gym because he "forgot" we were supposed to meet up. [05:07] schestowitz This was the beginning of a long chain of emotionally abusive, controlling, and manipulative behaviors. [05:07] schestowitz reply [05:07] schestowitz [05:07] schestowitz Mandatum 3 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:07] schestowitz Did you consult a lawyer before posting this? Given how litigious some folk in SV are, I'd be wary. Microsoft doesn't tend to help fund defamation suits, they're not quite Oracle, but you never know. [05:07] schestowitz Also.. This seems to have disappeared from the front page. [05:07] schestowitz reply [05:07] schestowitz [05:07] schestowitz betsydupuis 2 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:07] schestowitz I'm aware of my rights. [05:07] schestowitz In regards to the front-page, there's a lot of downvotes. Went from 160 upvotes to 121 in a matter of minutes. I suspect bots. [05:07] schestowitz reply [05:07] schestowitz [05:07] schestowitz caslon 1 hour ago | root | parent | next [] [05:07] schestowitz Submissions can't be downvoted on Hacker News, only comments. The site does fuzzing of posts it thinks are being fraudulently voted up. [05:07] schestowitz reply [05:07] schestowitz [05:07] schestowitz betsydupuis 50 minutes ago | root | parent | next [] [05:07] schestowitz Well, that was really strange then. I don't know who would have defrauded the votes, because it certainly wasn't me. [05:08] schestowitz reply [05:08] schestowitz [05:08] schestowitz betsydupuis 4 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:08] schestowitz Thank you for this. [05:08] schestowitz reply [05:08] schestowitz [05:08] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:08] schestowitz Alright, sure. I've been talking about this relationship with Nat for over a year now. It's been confirmed by Miguel de Icaza to me personally. [05:08] schestowitz Alex also assaulted me as well during a short, but extremely abusive relationship. [05:08] schestowitz Alex mentioned his relationship with Nat several times and used it to threaten me on multiple occasions. [05:08] schestowitz Alex attending Nat's destination wedding in Italy. It's that's not close, I don't know what is. [05:08] schestowitz reply [05:08] schestowitz [05:08] schestowitz laumars 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:08] schestowitz That certainly explains the personal interest you have in this case. I hope your situation has improved and any mental scares can heal with time :) [05:08] schestowitz Playing devils advocate for one moment: I dont always agree with friends abandoning other friends when they turn out to be bad people. If a person stands any chance of rehabilitation they need people who are willing to stand by them. This doesnt mean those friends support their actions - in fact they should be honest about what actions are inexcusable. But as a society we are too quick to claim guilt by association without understanding what [05:08] schestowitz their relationship is like and whether that friendship is helping to reform individuals who have been (understandably) abandoned by everyone else around them. [05:08] schestowitz Im not making direct commentary on Alex and Nat though as I dont know them nor their relationship. Im just making a generalised observation. [05:08] schestowitz reply [05:08] schestowitz [05:08] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:08] schestowitz Nat hasn't made any attempts to get Alex rehabilitation for this issue. [05:08] schestowitz reply [05:08] schestowitz [05:08] schestowitz laumars 4 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:08] schestowitz > Nat hasn't made any attempts to get Alex rehabilitation for this issue. [05:08] schestowitz You might be right and remember my post wasnt commenting on Nat and Alex specifically. However, and mean this with the greatest of respect to yourself, even though youve been involved with Alex you still dont truly know how Alex and Nat communicate in private between just the two of them. [05:08] schestowitz The reason I commented is because Ive recently seen this same kind of mob mentality happen against some genuinely nice people who have kept their association because they were sincerely trying to rehabilitate others. So they didnt deserve guilt by association. But their cases were different to these ones. [05:08] schestowitz Anyhow Im not here to defend Nat nor Alex (I dont even know them) and this is a understandably going to be a highly emotionally charged subject so Ill refrain from further comments because sometimes my well intentioned remarks can come across poor (totally my issue. Im working on fixing it). [05:08] schestowitz I do truly wish you happiness in any future relationships and hope this nightmare youve been through doesnt leave any scares (emotional or physical) that cannot heal. [05:08] schestowitz reply [05:08] schestowitz [05:08] schestowitz betsydupuis 4 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:08] schestowitz Ok, sure, but part of rehabilitation is making amends to victims. No amends have been made beyond an "apology" in which he reiterated he thought that I deserved abuse because he has more money and power than me. [05:08] schestowitz I initially approached Nat about with this with a great deal of empathy towards Alex in spite of what he did to me. Ignoring a victim and giving a leadership position to someone like that? [05:08] schestowitz reply [05:08] schestowitz [05:08] schestowitz splch 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:08] schestowitz Again, any sources that aren't just word of mouth? [05:08] schestowitz reply [05:09] schestowitz [05:09] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:09] schestowitz http://web.archive.org/web/20100216070208/http://hackermedle... [05:09] schestowitz How about their podcast together? [05:09] schestowitz reply [05:09] schestowitz [05:09] schestowitz truffdog 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:09] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ http://web.archive.org/web/20100216070208/http://hackermedle ) [05:09] schestowitz Nat and Alex worked together at Ximian when they were younger, so it's plausible. People make friends at tiny startups where everyone is very young. [05:09] schestowitz You can confirm that by Google their names and 'ximian'. [05:09] schestowitz reply [05:09] schestowitz [05:09] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:09] schestowitz They had a podcast together called "Hacker Medley." I'm not sure what is a stronger case for male bonding than starting a podcast together. [05:09] schestowitz reply [05:09] schestowitz [05:09] schestowitz betsydupuis 4 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:09] schestowitz Starting a podcast together screams male bonding to me http://web.archive.org/web/20100216070208/http://hackermedle... [05:09] schestowitz reply [05:09] schestowitz [05:09] schestowitz sterlind 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:09] schestowitz > after evading arrest for two months with the assistance of Github management [05:09] schestowitz this is quite damning if so. where did you hear of this? [05:09] schestowitz reply [05:09] schestowitz [05:09] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:09] schestowitz I told Github management about the warrant. [05:09] schestowitz They did not report his location to the authorities and allowed him to work across state lines without any changes to his employment agreement. [05:09] schestowitz I later asked Github HR what their policy on domestic violene is. This is what they sent. [05:09] schestowitz "Microsoft is committed to working with employees who are victims of domestic violence to prevent abuse from occurring in the workplace. Employees who are concerned about violence occurring in the workplace should immediately discuss their concerns with the Human Resources (HR) manager assigned to their group. The Microsoft Global Security group can provide guidelines and suggestions for increasing your safety in the workplace. [05:09] schestowitz Employees who are experiencing domestic violence outside of work are encouraged to seek assistance from Microsoft Cares. Microsoft Cares provides information regarding counseling and treatment resources. Perpetrators of domestic violence are also encouraged to seek assistance from Microsoft Cares. [05:09] schestowitz In some situations, employees may be eligible for time off work or other accommodation to manage medical issues and other negative consequences arising from domestic violence. Contact Benefits for more information." [05:09] schestowitz They officially accommodate "perpetrators of domestic violence" as Microsoft-owned Github. [05:09] schestowitz reply [05:09] schestowitz [05:09] schestowitz wizzwizz4 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:09] schestowitz > They officially accommodate "perpetrators of domestic violence" as Microsoft-owned Github. [05:09] schestowitz In fairness, they do need procedures to accommodate such people. Your other employment-related rights don't end just because you've done bad stuff, and you need to treat perpetrators of domestic violence differently to ordinary employees (e.g. being really suspicious of them). [05:09] schestowitz I like bashing Microsoft as much as the next person, but I doubt this situation had much to do with Microsoft's domestic violence policies. [05:09] schestowitz reply [05:09] schestowitz [05:10] schestowitz sterlind 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:10] schestowitz but it's not that he just did "bad stuff," it's that he's a fugitive from an outstanding warrant. legally I'm curious if MS would be liable for helping him stay employed as he evaded arrest. [05:10] schestowitz reply [05:10] schestowitz [05:10] schestowitz betsydupuis 4 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:10] schestowitz In Texas, yes they are, but it's something that's rarely prosecuted. [05:10] schestowitz reply [05:10] schestowitz [05:10] schestowitz mwint 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:10] schestowitz The Cares program is kind of the catch-all I have a weird non-work issue I want help with. You could ask HR/management what to do if you were under siege by zombie geese with chainsaws; theyd say to contact Cares. [05:10] schestowitz Im guessing if this guy actually contacted Cares, theyd be more likely to help him turn himself in without violence, than to arrange a getaway to Cuba. [05:10] schestowitz reply [05:10] schestowitz [05:10] schestowitz microtherion 3 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:10] schestowitz What these programs (I don't know about the Microsoft one specifically) also can do in this situation is refer employees to criminal lawyers (which are still paid by the employee). [05:10] schestowitz [I used such a referral once with a different employer to assist a family member in a legal matter (not involving interpersonal violence)]. [05:10] schestowitz reply [05:10] schestowitz [05:10] schestowitz scarby2 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:10] schestowitz > They officially accommodate "perpetrators of domestic violence" as Microsoft-owned Github. [05:10] schestowitz To take action against someone based on an unproven accusation of conduct outside of the workplace seems like the perfect way to get you sued. I'm sure if convicted he will become persona non grata. But until that point he should be entitled to the presumption of innocence. [05:10] schestowitz reply [05:10] schestowitz [05:10] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:10] schestowitz Nope, perfectly legal to fire someone for an arrest in Texas where he resides. [05:10] schestowitz reply [05:10] schestowitz [05:10] schestowitz tomp 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:10] schestowitz I don't understand why we expect private companies/hospitals/universities do the job of the police/courts. [05:10] schestowitz The justice system is complex for a reason (oversight, transparency, accountability, fairness, etc. - or at least that's the goal, however bad they are at achieving it, unaccountable private institutions will be even worse). [05:10] schestowitz reply [05:10] schestowitz [05:10] schestowitz betsydupuis 4 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:10] schestowitz Because it is a danger to women to have to work with someone that even allegedly committed violence against women. [05:10] schestowitz reply [05:10] schestowitz [05:10] schestowitz atty 2 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:10] schestowitz No, its only a danger if that person actually commits violence. Lets not advocate for punishing people based on hearsay. I like to think we have enough examples of that backfiring spectacularly throughout history to have learned our lesson by now. [05:10] schestowitz reply [05:10] schestowitz [05:11] schestowitz betsydupuis 57 minutes ago | root | parent | next [] [05:11] schestowitz No, it's a danger because a person that commits violence against women is engaging in misogynistic behavior and can't be trusted to treat female subordinates and colleagues fairly. [05:11] schestowitz Furthermore, Alex was reported to Github HR by multiple people for verbal abuse and nothing was done about it under Nat Friedman's leadership. [05:11] schestowitz reply [05:11] schestowitz [05:11] schestowitz atty 7 minutes ago | root | parent | next [] [05:11] schestowitz To be clear Im not defending Alex in any way. I think its quite clear he should lose his job and probably be in jail, depending on the outcome of the evidence collection and eventual trial, of course. [05:11] schestowitz I was saying the blanket statement than the mere presence of any allegations of any form are enough to indicate a high probability of guilt, and we should therefore enforce punishment on an individual is dangerous. Historically, this sort of attitude has led to a lot of injustice. Black men being put in jail for crimes they never committed on the word of a white woman who was embarrassed to be caught in an affair, for instance. Taken to the extreme, [05:11] schestowitz it leads to things like witch hunts. [05:11] schestowitz [05:11] schestowitz Mandatum 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:11] schestowitz Microsoft Cares? [05:11] schestowitz I think this confirms we're in some sort of inter-terrestrial waking-nightmare Office Space alternative universe variety show. [05:11] schestowitz reply [05:11] schestowitz [05:11] schestowitz toomuchtodo 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:11] schestowitz Many large enterprises have this sort of catch all employee support program. [05:11] schestowitz reply [05:11] schestowitz [05:11] schestowitz kazinator 2 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:11] schestowitz > Perpetrators of domestic violence are also encouraged to seek assistance from Microsoft Cares [05:11] schestowitz That is a somewhat bizarre sentence that should be brought to the editorial attention of whoever wrote that. I don't think it's intended to support some of the kinds of interpretations that imagination might assign to it. [05:11] schestowitz reply [05:11] schestowitz [05:11] schestowitz sterlind 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:11] schestowitz > Perpetrators of domestic violence are also encouraged to seek assistance from Microsoft Cares. [05:11] schestowitz definitely not what I expected to read, that's... huh. [05:11] schestowitz I'd expect MS would divulge his IP address from VPN logs if served by a warrant, to locate the fugitive. I wonder if this happened, and if not, what legal responsibilities or liabilities MS has to help or hinder outside warrant compliance, when the victim isn't an employee but the perp is. [05:11] schestowitz (I work for MS but not GitHub, I had no idea about any of this.) [05:11] schestowitz reply [05:11] schestowitz [05:11] schestowitz dragonwriter 2 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:11] schestowitz > They did not report his location to the authorities [05:11] schestowitz Nonreporting, whether or not one believes it is immoral, isn't the same thing as assistance in evading arrest. The government can conscript citizens into active assistance in enforcing the law, but issuing a warrant doesn't do that. [05:11] schestowitz Nonreporting is legal, assistance is a crime (accessory after the fact is the general term.) [05:11] schestowitz reply [05:11] schestowitz [05:11] schestowitz betsydupuis 2 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:11] schestowitz It's literally a 3rd degree felony in the state of Texas. [05:11] schestowitz Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.05 Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution (a) A person commits an offense if, with intent to hinder the arrest, prosecution, conviction, or punishment of another for an offense or, with intent to hinder the arrest, detention, adjudication, or disposition of a child for engaging in delinquent conduct that violates a penal law of the state, or with intent to hinder the arrest of another under the authority of a warrant or [05:12] schestowitz capias, he: (1) harbors or conceals the other; (2) provides or aids in providing the other with any means of avoiding arrest or effecting escape; or (3) warns the other of impending discovery or apprehension. [05:12] schestowitz https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_38... [05:12] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_38 ) [05:12] schestowitz reply [05:12] schestowitz [05:12] schestowitz tptacek 1 hour ago | root | parent | next [] [05:12] schestowitz I'm sorry about what you went through with this person. This statute requires prosecutors to prove intent on behalf of Microsoft; it also requires active concealment, intentional aid in avoiding arrest, or warning (or "harboring", which would require Microsoft to actually provide physical shelter and concealment). Presumably the arrest warrant you're talking about is public; disclosing the existence of a public document seems unlikely to be [05:12] schestowitz prosecutable. [05:12] schestowitz I appreciate the rest of the details you've provided on the thread! [05:12] schestowitz reply [05:12] schestowitz [05:12] schestowitz jeegsy 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:12] schestowitz I told Github management about the warrant [05:12] schestowitz In what capacity? How did you come by your knowledge of the warrant? [05:12] schestowitz reply [05:12] schestowitz [05:12] schestowitz Mandatum 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:12] schestowitz Publicly in November: https://twitter.com/BetsyDupuis/status/1465480498772430848?s... [05:12] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@BetsyDupuis: Alex Balabhadra Graveley has a warrant for his arrest for a 3rd Degree felony assault (strangulation) in Texas. W https://t.co/lsj30dsybO [05:12] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@BetsyDupuis: Alex Balabhadra Graveley has a warrant for his arrest for a 3rd Degree felony assault (strangulation) in Texas. W https://t.co/lsj30dsybO [05:12] schestowitz reply [05:12] schestowitz [05:12] schestowitz phkahler 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:12] schestowitz Because HR, Legal, and the police all follow her on twitter? [05:12] schestowitz I dont know who the people tagged in the tweet are, but that still seems like a shitty way to report a problem. [05:12] schestowitz reply [05:12] schestowitz [05:12] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:12] schestowitz I spoke privately to Github management. [05:12] schestowitz reply [05:12] schestowitz [05:12] schestowitz smt88 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:12] schestowitz > In what capacity? How did you come by your knowledge of the warrant? [05:12] schestowitz Why would this matter at all? It seems like you're casting suspicion on @betsydupuis, although I can't begin to imagine what there is to be suspicious of. [05:12] schestowitz reply [05:12] schestowitz [05:12] schestowitz dragonwriter 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:12] schestowitz > with the assistance of Github management. [05:12] schestowitz In the absence of some substantial reason to believe this part, this is quite likely actionable as libel against Microsoft (as well as, without including substantial reason to believe it, wholly inappropriate for HN.) [05:12] schestowitz reply [05:12] schestowitz [05:12] schestowitz sfteus 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:12] schestowitz I'm honestly not sure whether to read this as "arrested ... with the assistance of Github management" or "evading arrest ... with the assistance of Github management." [05:13] schestowitz reply [05:13] schestowitz [05:13] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:13] schestowitz Github management helped him evade arrest by not reporting his location even though they were aware of the warrant. [05:13] schestowitz reply [05:13] schestowitz [05:13] schestowitz throwaway744678 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:13] schestowitz Why wouldn't you be able to do that yourself? [05:13] schestowitz reply [05:13] schestowitz [05:13] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:13] schestowitz Didn't know where he was. [05:13] schestowitz reply [05:13] schestowitz [05:13] schestowitz phkahler 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:13] schestowitz Have them call HR. [05:13] schestowitz reply [05:13] schestowitz [05:13] schestowitz phgn 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:13] schestowitz Very likely this is would be the effect of a company-wide policy that would apply to every employee. (writing "would" because I'm convinced this entire post is BS) [05:13] schestowitz reply [05:13] schestowitz [05:13] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:13] schestowitz Ok, if it's company policy that would validate my statement further. [05:13] schestowitz reply [05:13] schestowitz [05:13] schestowitz phkahler 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:13] schestowitz You were aware of the warrant. Did you call the police and say "hey he works at xxx, here's the number to HR to get his location"? [05:13] schestowitz reply [05:13] schestowitz [05:13] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:13] schestowitz Yes, I did. I don't know if they pursued it. [05:13] schestowitz reply [05:13] schestowitz [05:13] schestowitz intern4tional 4 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:13] schestowitz Microsoft does work with law enforcement on a regular basis. [05:13] schestowitz If the police had at all reached out in an official capacity Microsoft would have assisted. [05:13] schestowitz Source: was employed at MS and know they take such things seriously. [05:13] schestowitz You may want to follow up with whatever officer you talked to. [05:13] schestowitz reply [05:14] schestowitz [05:14] schestowitz phgn 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:14] schestowitz > Nat Friedman is Alex's best friend [05:14] schestowitz I'm convinced this post is satire. Too many unlikely claims, against one .jpg in Google Drive. [05:14] schestowitz reply [05:14] schestowitz [05:14] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:14] schestowitz I'm not sure what's says male bonding more than starting a podcast together. http://web.archive.org/web/20100216070208/http://hackermedle... [05:14] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ http://web.archive.org/web/20100216070208/http://hackermedle ) [05:14] schestowitz reply [05:14] schestowitz [05:14] schestowitz yosito 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:14] schestowitz The document you linked appears to be a request for a warrant, containing a third person account of an accusation. Has there been a trial, or any evidence presented in support of the accusation? [05:14] schestowitz reply [05:14] schestowitz [05:14] schestowitz betsydupuis 1 hour ago | root | parent | next [] [05:14] schestowitz The third person was the police officer that was called to the scene and took a statement from the victim. That's how police reports are written. [05:14] schestowitz reply [05:14] schestowitz [05:14] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:14] schestowitz He's already gone through docket. There's a pre-trial indictment hearing upcoming. [05:14] schestowitz reply [05:14] schestowitz [05:14] schestowitz yosito 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:14] schestowitz I hope he gets a fair trial and that everyone involved receives justice. He's been accused of a serious crime, and that definitely calls for thourough investigation. [05:14] schestowitz reply [05:14] schestowitz [05:14] schestowitz rad_gruchalski 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:14] schestowitz Is that the reason for Friedman leaving GitHub? [05:14] schestowitz reply [05:14] schestowitz [05:14] schestowitz smt88 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:14] schestowitz I don't know if it is or not, but the timing (Nov 2021) is exactly right. [05:14] schestowitz reply [05:14] schestowitz [05:14] schestowitz betsydupuis 4 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:14] schestowitz I don't think so. Alex is still at Github. [05:14] schestowitz reply [05:14] schestowitz [05:14] schestowitz vorpalhex 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:14] schestowitz Your account is from 2018 but you have no comments or submissions until now, all on this topic. [05:15] schestowitz You make several significant, serious claims but offer no evidence aside from a jpg of a file in google drive. [05:15] schestowitz For reference, the Austin city/Travis county public records results are returned as pdfs, not scans in jpg. The clerk of the court does not offer "unofficial copies" as far as I am aware. [05:15] schestowitz reply [05:15] schestowitz [05:15] schestowitz phnofive 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:15] schestowitz You can view that he or someone by the same name has been charged here: https://publiccourts.traviscountytx.gov/dsa/#/ [05:15] schestowitz reply [05:15] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-publiccourts.traviscountytx.gov | Criminal Docket Search [05:15] schestowitz [05:15] schestowitz vorpalhex 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:15] schestowitz But that only shows he has a DV charge pending, which does not tie in a whole mess of other people, github management, etc. That doesn't validate this document that is linked which is extremely peculier. [05:15] schestowitz reply [05:15] schestowitz [05:15] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:15] schestowitz I redacted the name of the victim. The victim is named in the original. [05:15] schestowitz reply [05:15] schestowitz [05:15] schestowitz vorpalhex 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:15] schestowitz How do we know you didn't alter anything else in the document? [05:15] schestowitz reply [05:15] schestowitz [05:15] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:15] schestowitz Make an open records request to the Travis County Clerk. [05:15] schestowitz reply [05:15] schestowitz [05:15] schestowitz adamnemecek 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:15] schestowitz I thought that he would be an Indian guy who adopted an English name but he appears to be an American guy who adopted an Indian name. [05:15] schestowitz reply [05:15] schestowitz [05:15] schestowitz snowgrove 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:15] schestowitz Not altogether uncommon, especially among Americans born to 1960s flower children. For instance the current mayor of Madison, Wisconsin: [05:15] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Rhodes-Conway [05:15] schestowitz reply [05:15] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Satya Rhodes-Conway - Wikipedia [05:15] schestowitz [05:15] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:15] schestowitz According to what he told me, he's 100% white. [05:15] schestowitz reply [05:15] schestowitz [05:15] schestowitz outside1234 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:15] schestowitz Oh - maybe that is why Nat was shown the door at Microsoft. That would actually make a lot more sense than him randomly just leaving one day. [05:15] schestowitz reply [05:16] schestowitz [05:16] schestowitz betsydupuis 4 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:16] schestowitz I think it was an unrelated performance issue. Alex is still at Github. [05:16] schestowitz reply [05:16] schestowitz [05:16] schestowitz throwaway20foo 5 hours ago | prev | next [] [05:16] schestowitz You failed to mention that you're a defendant in a lawsuit that Graveley filed against you: https://odysseyweb.traviscountytx.gov/app/RegisterOfActions/... [05:16] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-odysseyweb.traviscountytx.gov | Register of Actions [05:16] schestowitz reply [05:16] schestowitz [05:16] schestowitz betsydupuis 3 hours ago | parent | next [] [05:16] schestowitz The suit is a defamation suit in reference to me discussing publicly abuse I suffered. The judge mentioned the warrant is how I was able to confirm that the warrant existed. [05:16] schestowitz reply [05:16] schestowitz [05:16] schestowitz stefan_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:16] schestowitz I clicked vouch on this since it seems like pertinent information considering she has now made some 40 comments in this very discussion thread without disclosing any of this, but I'm not sure why you would use a throwaway to post it. [05:16] schestowitz reply [05:16] schestowitz [05:16] schestowitz betsydupuis 2 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:16] schestowitz This assault charge has nothing to do with me. Me reporting the facts doesn't change that. [05:16] schestowitz reply [05:16] schestowitz [05:16] schestowitz throwaway20foo 4 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:16] schestowitz I'm using a throwaway because I don't want to get sucked into whatever drama is happening here. I just thought it was an interesting omission given OP's multiple posts here. [05:16] schestowitz reply [05:16] schestowitz [05:16] schestowitz notbetsydupuis 4 hours ago | prev | next [] [05:16] schestowitz BetsyDupuis' [1]twitter feed is quite interesting when it comes to Alex Graveley [05:16] schestowitz [1]: https://twitter.com/BetsyDupuis/media [05:16] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/BetsyDupuis/media ) [05:16] schestowitz reply [05:16] schestowitz [05:16] schestowitz xibalba 1 hour ago | parent | next [] [05:16] schestowitz Wow. That twitter feed is eye opening. It definitely goes to the credibility of the accuser and I encourage others to take a look. [05:16] schestowitz reply [05:16] schestowitz [05:16] schestowitz sydthrowaway 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:16] schestowitz I would like to know the full story. How does Liz Fong-Jones come into this? Are the progressive tech elites defending abusive behaviour because it happens to be connected to the absurdly rich (Nat Friedman)? [05:16] schestowitz reply [05:16] schestowitz [05:16] schestowitz betsydupuis 2 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:16] schestowitz Liz's boss, Charity Majors, has been friends with Alex and Nat since she was 17 and Alex was 15 through their "Hungry Programmers" organization. [05:17] schestowitz Liz works with another friend of their staff engineers Chris Toshok, who interestingly enough was dating Charity when she was underage and he is 9 years her senior. [05:17] schestowitz Charity and Chris are connected to a credit card hacker Max Visions, which is documented in the non-fiction book Kingpin by Kevin Poulsen https://www.kingpin.cc/about/ [05:17] schestowitz Charity told me to keep quiet about Alex and Nat or bad things would happen to me and lied to me by saying she doesn't know Alex when she clearly does. [05:17] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.kingpin.cc | About the Author KINGPIN: How One Hacker Took Over the Billion-Dollar Cybercrime Underground [05:17] schestowitz Liz Fong-Jones uses the fact that she donated money to create the Solidarity Fund to decide who is a valid whistleblower or not. [05:17] schestowitz reply [05:17] schestowitz [05:17] schestowitz Schiendelman 5 hours ago | prev | next [] [05:17] schestowitz Whoa, and Microsoft protected him for months before authorities managed to find and arrest him? [05:17] schestowitz reply [05:17] schestowitz [05:17] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | parent | next [] [05:17] schestowitz Yes. Nat also knew that he had been emotionally and sexually abusive to me as well when he was hired. [05:17] schestowitz reply [05:17] schestowitz [05:17] schestowitz karanbhangui 6 hours ago | prev | next [] [05:17] schestowitz Nuts, this happened in my neighborhood [05:17] schestowitz reply [05:17] schestowitz [05:17] schestowitz zeruch 6 hours ago | prev | next [] [05:17] schestowitz Sounds a little like a future Hans Reiser all over again. [05:17] schestowitz reply [05:17] schestowitz [05:17] schestowitz smt88 5 hours ago | parent | next [] [05:17] schestowitz Normally I think this kind of speculation is dangerous, but there is actual data to back you up[1]. [05:17] schestowitz Strangulation is a singularly accurate predictor of future homicide. There seems to be a world of difference between just hitting someone and actually trying to crush their throat with your bare hands. It should be taken far, far more seriously than it is -- attempted murder at least. [05:17] schestowitz 1. https://apnews.com/article/dc9066892be14b7f8cf234468a83f170 [05:17] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-301 redirect without Location header [05:17] schestowitz reply [05:17] schestowitz [05:17] schestowitz betsydupuis 2 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:17] schestowitz Yes, look at what happened to Gabby Petito. Strangulation can get serious very quickly. [05:17] schestowitz reply [05:17] schestowitz [05:17] schestowitz daanlo 5 hours ago | prev | next [] [05:17] schestowitz [flagged] [05:17] schestowitz [05:17] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | parent | next [] [05:17] schestowitz You can make an open records request to the Travis County Courts system if you want to verify it. [05:17] schestowitz You can also search the Travis County Court portal for "graveley, balabhadra" and see there's a pre-indictment felony case against him. [05:17] schestowitz https://odysseyweb.traviscountytx.gov/Portal/Home/WorkspaceM... [05:17] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ https://odysseyweb.traviscountytx.gov/Portal/Home/WorkspaceM ) [05:17] schestowitz reply [05:18] schestowitz [05:18] schestowitz riku_iki 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:18] schestowitz I am curious why you call him "serial abuser", does he have previous convictions already? [05:18] schestowitz For now, it is "he says she says" situation, and court proceeding will show details in the future. [05:18] schestowitz reply [05:18] schestowitz [05:18] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:18] schestowitz I've spoken to several people that have described anything ranging from emotionally abusive rants, workplace sexual harassment, and sexual assault. [05:18] schestowitz He assaulted me too. [05:18] schestowitz reply [05:18] schestowitz [05:18] schestowitz lukasb 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:18] schestowitz https://www.austintexas.gov/police/reports/search2.cfm?choic... [05:18] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-302 redirect with weird Location: index.cfm;jsessionid=A9DB1067196E3133B50A411AC9F60BFC.cfusion?CFID=12716319&CFTOKEN=2bf780d3f21447bd-CA3C591A-B545-1BEF-700F3C0B2963F6CD [05:18] schestowitz reply [05:18] schestowitz [05:18] schestowitz LaGrange 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:18] schestowitz It's not so easy, connecting Alex and Balabhadra without resorting to OP's writing was quite tricky - after looking at some Dropbox patents I _think_ that's the same person, but still ain't sure. [05:18] schestowitz ...I'm not mystified about claims of friendship with Nat Friedman - I don't have a high opinion of the latter, I see evidence of friendship with other Open Source folks, and that kind of people tends to be "friends" with _a lot_ of people. [05:18] schestowitz reply [05:18] schestowitz [05:18] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:18] schestowitz Here's the warrant showing that "Alex Graveley" as an alias https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PG-B5678UbxeBz87Rpwn3hmWcVu... [05:18] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PG-B5678UbxeBz87Rpwn3hmWcVu/edit ) [05:18] schestowitz reply [05:18] schestowitz [05:18] schestowitz LaGrange 4 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:18] schestowitz ...that's still relying entirely on you, though. I don't see any other public source. Perhaps I could request that from the cops - but I'm not American. Elsewhere you mentioned communication with de Icaza - wouldn't be the first time someone like that would hide their head in the sand, but it's still a bit hard to parse that he didn't say anything publicly. [05:18] schestowitz reply [05:18] schestowitz [05:18] schestowitz betsydupuis 2 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:18] schestowitz You don't have to be an American to make an open records request. [05:18] schestowitz Here's a patent for MobileCoin calling him Alex and Balabhadra. https://patents.justia.com/inventor/balabhadra-alex-graveley [05:18] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-patents.justia.com | Balabhadra "Alex" GRAVELEY Inventions, Patents and Patent Applications - Justia Patents Search [05:18] schestowitz reply [05:18] schestowitz [05:18] schestowitz LaGrange 2 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:18] schestowitz Works for me, thanks. [05:18] schestowitz reply [05:18] schestowitz [05:18] schestowitz betsydupuis 1 hour ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:18] schestowitz When I spoke to Miguel, he said both Alex and Nat were "assholes when they were drunk." [05:18] schestowitz He also said that Nat had "Hurt him deeply" and they don't talk much anymore. From what I can tell Miguel stayed friends with Alex and congratulated him on the launch of Copilot even knowing about the abuse that happened to me in greater detail than I had shared publicly. [05:19] schestowitz reply [05:19] schestowitz [05:19] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:19] schestowitz They had a podcast together. http://web.archive.org/web/20100216070208/http://hackermedle... [05:19] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ http://web.archive.org/web/20100216070208/http://hackermedle ) [05:19] schestowitz reply [05:19] schestowitz [05:19] schestowitz YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:19] schestowitz The docket number is right there and the court as well. If you are skeptical you can just look it up at the courts website yourself or call the court or send them an email. You can do a lot of stuff yourself before spreading doubt. [05:19] schestowitz reply [05:19] schestowitz [05:19] schestowitz vmception 6 hours ago | prev | next [] [05:19] schestowitz [flagged] [05:19] schestowitz [05:19] schestowitz caslon 5 hours ago | prev | next [] [05:19] schestowitz Allegedly strangling girlfriend. [05:19] schestowitz The document mentions no evidence of anything, let alone wounds, and even Techrights, everyone's favorite anti-GitHub conspiracy blog, hasn't posted any document mentioning any evidence, despite basically salivating over this story. It's all just anecdotes from officers saying she was claiming she was hurt. [05:19] schestowitz This may seem like I'm being pedantic, but I've seen fake DV calls before (unfortunately, more than once, though none directed at me), and officers are generally sympathetic to whoever is the most charismatic. This isn't to say that she's probably lying, but it's a bit too early to come to a verdict as an internet court, here. [05:19] schestowitz I think Graveley has done terrible things to the industry as much as anyone (doubly so for GitHub in general); he's obviously morally deficient. But we shouldn't go and harass GH and Microsoft employees without evidence. [05:19] schestowitz reply [05:19] schestowitz [05:19] schestowitz scarby2 5 hours ago | parent | next [] [05:19] schestowitz > This may seem like I'm being pedantic, but I've seen fake DV calls before (unfortunately, more than once, though none directed at me), and officers are generally sympathetic to whoever is the most charismatic. [05:19] schestowitz They're often more sympathetic to the female unless there's significant evidence to overcome that bias. [05:19] schestowitz reply [05:19] schestowitz [05:19] schestowitz betsydupuis 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [] [05:19] schestowitz McClane et al [6] report that 50% of victims surviving strangulation had no visible neck signs and 35% had minor injuries. ... [05:19] schestowitz https://www.researchgate.net/publication/10695143_Strangulat... [05:19] schestowitz reply [05:19] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.researchgate.net | Strangulation injuries [05:19] schestowitz [05:19] schestowitz caslon 2 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:19] schestowitz The way that guilt works in the US is to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Hearsay is nothing to convict a person with, especially not of something so serious as domestic violence. [05:19] schestowitz It's better safe than sorry when it comes to throwing someone in a prison. If his tactic is strangulation, I'm sure someone has documented wounds he caused, if true. With the volume of people you say were abused by him in this thread, 50% odds are bound to show results eventually. [05:19] schestowitz Evidence is needed for accusations to be taken as more than warnings, generally. [05:19] schestowitz reply [05:19] schestowitz [05:19] schestowitz betsydupuis 1 hour ago | root | parent | next [] [05:19] schestowitz A deposition to the police is not hearsay, it's evidence. [05:19] schestowitz If you're going to play armchair lawyer, get the facts straight. [05:19] schestowitz reply [05:20] schestowitz [05:20] schestowitz sydthrowaway 6 hours ago [flagged] | prev [] [05:20] schestowitz This is insane. Microsoft shouldnt protect DV perps [05:20] schestowitz reply [05:20] schestowitz [05:20] schestowitz yosito 5 hours ago | parent | next [] [05:20] schestowitz Shouldn't there be a trial before we jump from "accused" to "perp"? [05:20] schestowitz reply [05:20] schestowitz [05:20] schestowitz betsydupuis 5 hours ago | parent | prev [] [05:20] schestowitz It's Microsoft's official policy to offer assistant to DV perps: [05:20] schestowitz Microsoft is committed to working with employees who are victims of domestic violence to prevent abuse from occurring in the workplace. Employees who are concerned about violence occurring in the workplace should immediately discuss their concerns with the Human Resources (HR) manager assigned to their group. The Microsoft Global Security group can provide guidelines and suggestions for increasing your safety in the workplace. [05:20] schestowitz Employees who are experiencing domestic violence outside of work are encouraged to seek assistance from Microsoft Cares. Microsoft Cares provides information regarding counseling and treatment resources. Perpetrators of domestic violence are also encouraged to seek assistance from Microsoft Cares. [05:20] schestowitz In some situations, employees may be eligible for time off work or other accommodation to manage medical issues and other negative consequences arising from domestic violence. Contact Benefits for more information. [05:20] schestowitz reply [05:20] schestowitz [05:20] schestowitz dekhn 3 hours ago | root | parent [] [05:20] schestowitz No, that's not what that policy says. [05:20] schestowitz reply [05:20] schestowitz [05:20] schestowitz betsydupuis 3 hours ago | root | parent [] [05:20] schestowitz I got this directly from the interim head of HR at Github, Jeanine Abramson via email. [05:20] schestowitz If it's not what it says, then I've been misled by leadership at Github. [05:20] schestowitz reply [05:20] schestowitz [05:20] schestowitz phnofive 2 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:20] schestowitz Taken charitably, the policy is encouraging perpetrators to seek help - therapy I assume - to end the cycle. I would not interpret this as aiding a flight from justice, but I wish you luck in your investigation. [05:20] schestowitz reply [05:20] schestowitz [05:20] schestowitz dekhn 2 hours ago | root | parent | next [] [05:20] schestowitz I see, I actually missed that line: "Perpetrators of domestic violence are also encouraged to seek assistance from Microsoft Cares." [05:20] schestowitz That sentence leaves a lot unsaid about the consequences of taking such an action. It's almost certain that Cares is required by policy/legal to refer that to law enforcement. [05:20] schestowitz reply [05:20] schestowitz [05:20] schestowitz betsydupuis 2 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [] [05:20] schestowitz "employees may be eligible for time off work or other accommodation to manage medical issues and other negative consequences arising from domestic violence." [05:20] schestowitz It doesn't specify the time off and accommodations are just for victims. [05:20] schestowitz reply [05:20] schestowitz [05:20] schestowitz dekhn 2 hours ago | root | parent | prev [] [05:21] schestowitz You must be having trouble parsing text or explaining your interpretation. The policy says it works with victims, not harassers (DV perps?). [05:21] schestowitz [Edit: in fact, I was having trouble parsing text. I missed the line about perpetrators. For that, I apologize, as for suggesting it was your inability to parse text] [05:21] schestowitz reply [05:21] schestowitz [05:21] schestowitz betsydupuis 2 hours ago | root | parent [] [05:21] schestowitz I wish it wasn't true. Thank you for the apology. 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[20:22] *mora_ (~quassel@sz5xq98jbawui.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jan 06 [21:47] schestowitz [20:12] Dr. ping me when you get a chance, this is regarding a howto you wrote about librewolf [21:51] *mora_ has quit (Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) ● Jan 06 [22:01] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@zgk86ipra9utw.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jan 06 [23:02] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: Disconnecting) [23:46] schestowitz > Hi Cheapskate, Roy, [23:46] schestowitz > [23:46] schestowitz > CS I have your (great) notes here for the restructuring of the resilience piece. [23:46] schestowitz > Last I looked it was 6000+ words, so probably a 4 part article at 1500 per post? [23:46] schestowitz Sounds good! [23:46] schestowitz > Thinking entirely selfishly out loud here; [23:46] schestowitz > [23:46] schestowitz > Roy wants to run another serialised topic from me. The problem with [23:46] schestowitz > Techrights is the self-signed cert puts off many ordinaty readers on [23:46] schestowitz > https. (I hate that, but it's a fact). The good side for both your [23:46] schestowitz > Cheapskates Guide and Techrights is that you both mirror things on [23:46] schestowitz > Gemini and other federated social channels - which is super cool [23:46] schestowitz > and important. [23:46] schestowitz > [23:46] schestowitz > This time I'd like to make up a simple list of sympathetic sites we [23:46] schestowitz > can submit notifications to, maybe less popular ones that focus on [23:46] schestowitz > specific issues like civic resilience or ewaste rather than Reddit and [23:46] schestowitz > HN that seem strangely determined to shadowban or downplay these [23:46] schestowitz > issues. [23:46] schestowitz Yes, we wrote lots about these issues in past years. Those sites are a waste of time basically... [23:46] schestowitz > (I am fascinated about why the "popular fringe" tech sphere is so [23:46] schestowitz > hostile to modern tech-critique - maybe that's another article, or [23:46] schestowitz > maybe I am being paranoid and reading the signs wrong - today I [23:46] schestowitz > managed another mainstream daytime appearance on radio) [23:46] schestowitz > [23:46] schestowitz > So, if rewrite and I serialise the the resilience piece (I need to [23:46] schestowitz > think of a snappy title) would you both be up for running it? [23:46] schestowitz The format or workflow of HTML, like the last time, is very easy for collab and lets me give feedback before it's done, too. [23:46] schestowitz > Roy - it's basically about what happens when if we build monocultures [23:46] schestowitz > of monopoly "bigtech" infrastructure, andthen it all goes wrong (which [23:46] schestowitz > it will on a long enough timeline) [23:46] schestowitz Twitter comes to mind... [23:47] schestowitz Re: Digital Vegan on radio [23:47] schestowitz > Hi Roy, [23:47] schestowitz > [23:47] schestowitz > This was my DV plug on radio today. [23:47] schestowitz > [23:47] schestowitz > https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_berkshire [23:47] schestowitz Excellent. I guess it helps to have contacts in BBC ;-) [23:47] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.bbc.co.uk | Radio Berkshire - Listen Live - BBC Sounds [23:47] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2015/12/07/bbc-and-epo/ [23:47] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/spiking-a-story-about-spiked-stories/ [23:47] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Did the EPO Spike a BBC Story Regarding Discriminatory Practices, Legal Bullying of Bloggers, and/or Microsoft Bias? | Techrights [23:47] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Raw: How Microsoft and/or the EPO Killed an Important EPO Story About Their SLAPP Against Techrights and Others | Techrights [23:50] *psydroid4 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)