●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, January 08, 2022 ●● ● Jan 08 [00:56] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes [00:57] *liberty_box has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:57] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes [00:57] *psydroid4 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:58] *liberty_box has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:58] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jan 08 [01:35] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:44] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jan 08 [02:35] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:42] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes [02:52] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jan 08 [03:01] *techrights_guest|36 (~4b14cb84@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techbytes [03:01] *techrights_guest|36 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [03:06] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@mii8cedt3f3mk.irc) has joined #techbytes [03:27] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jan 08 [05:01] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jan 08 [06:55] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jan 08 [07:43] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:45] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@jtjgypu7nkkwy.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jan 08 [08:28] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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When you ask if [22:07] schestowitz >> both I and Roy are interested, I have to be clear that since search [22:07] schestowitz >> engines penalized websites that have the same content as on other [22:07] schestowitz >> websites, it would have to be either my site or Roy's site but not [22:07] schestowitz >> both. I think you understand that, but I just want to be sure we [22:07] schestowitz >> understand each other. [22:07] schestowitz > Thanks CS, Okay, I'll split it off into different stand-alone articles [22:07] schestowitz > in that case. For very different reasons I don't do that with [22:07] schestowitz > mainstream outlets either, but it's not uncommon to pitch to a few [22:07] schestowitz > friendly editors and see who bites. [22:07] schestowitz > [22:08] schestowitz > But this is a complete surprise to me. I had no idea that we'd reached [22:08] schestowitz > a situation on the internet where there's a disincentive to widely [22:08] schestowitz > disseminate and promote works. Things just get worse and worse. [22:08] schestowitz > [22:08] schestowitz >> Although I have a mirror of xxxxx's Guide on ZeroNet, I have [22:08] schestowitz >> not been keeping it current (I think it is now about a year out of [22:08] schestowitz >> date), so don't count on your article making it there any time [22:08] schestowitz >> soon. I just haven't had the time to update it lately. [22:08] schestowitz > Looking at Roy's setup I think he's built filters to automatically [22:08] schestowitz > maintain a Gemini image. I've looked at this myself a lot - thinking [22:08] schestowitz > about how a publisher easily maintains multiple presences from a book [22:08] schestowitz > publishing POV (I have to keep a PDF, epub, and Postscript typeset [22:08] schestowitz > versions in parallel). It comes down to what form you 'ingest' or [22:08] schestowitz > write in. I use org-mode because it has many flexible back-ends. Some [22:08] schestowitz > people go through Pandoc/Markdown. AFAIK Roy ingests simple HTML and [22:08] schestowitz > uses html2gmi which creates nice gemeni markup. [22:08] schestowitz > [22:08] schestowitz > What you definitely want to avoid is hand-tweaking multiple markups. [22:08] schestowitz > [22:08] schestowitz >> As far as a list of sympathetic websites is concerned, do you mean [22:08] schestowitz >> social media? The only list I have is the list of forums that I [22:08] schestowitz >> have been maintaining here: [22:08] schestowitz >> https://cheapskatesguide.org/articles/forum-list.html . [22:08] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 403 @ https://cheapskatesguide.org/articles/forum-list.html ) [22:08] schestowitz > No. I have never been interested in social media myself. Maybe people [22:08] schestowitz > repost stuff in Facebook/Twitter or whatever, but I have spent the [22:08] schestowitz > past 10 years staying well away from all of it. [22:08] schestowitz > [22:08] schestowitz > Small-scale, personal relations with people who may repost to smaller [22:08] schestowitz > forums and networks is exactly what I want to cultivate. [22:08] schestowitz > [22:08] schestowitz >> I regularly post links to my articles on the smaller forums on that [22:08] schestowitz >> list that haven't banned me. I have also posted links to two (I [22:08] schestowitz >> think) of your recent articles on Techrights on a ZeroNet forum, [22:08] schestowitz >> but most of ZeroNet does not get much traffic. [22:08] schestowitz > Thanks. What you are doing is awesome - beause in network theory you [22:08] schestowitz > are acting like a bee... a very small number of cross-pollinators have [22:08] schestowitz > a disproportionate influence by connecting parts of the small-web and [22:08] schestowitz > distributed web together. I am confident this is _definitely_ what [22:08] schestowitz > 'they' do not want. [22:08] schestowitz > [22:09] schestowitz >> I can't quantify well what I mean by "much". I don't know much [22:09] schestowitz >> about other sympathetic websites. I guess I haven't really thought [22:09] schestowitz >> about that question or been paying much attention to them, so I'm [22:09] schestowitz >> not exactly sure how to respond there. [22:09] schestowitz > Me neither. It's all new territory to me. I am still trying to make [22:09] schestowitz > sense of Gemini space and ZeroNet. Last year I experimented with [22:09] schestowitz > GNUNet and Gemini. I am willing to keep trying but my strategy as an [22:09] schestowitz > author/researcher is to build/join real human networks of like-minded [22:09] schestowitz > people and collect intel on what's working. The _last_ thing I would [22:09] schestowitz > welcome is any precarious and risky presecnce within FB/Twitter/Google [22:09] schestowitz > etc. There's actually a page in my book that says "please don't [22:09] schestowitz > promote this on Facebook" :) [22:09] schestowitz > [22:09] schestowitz >> As far as sites like Hacker News being hostile to non-mainstream [22:09] schestowitz >> information (like ewaste), you have to understand that many Hacker [22:09] schestowitz >> News readers work for big tech. [22:09] schestowitz > I guessed that but wasn't sure. It looks like a Silicon Valley boys [22:09] schestowitz > club. [22:09] schestowitz > [22:09] schestowitz >> As I have unfortunately learned, all it apparently takes is a few [22:09] schestowitz >> readers to complain and you can find yourself shadow banned. [22:09] schestowitz > Sure, it's a clique, like many "communities" there's an invisible [22:09] schestowitz > power dynamic with a small mob of enforcers. Once they _identify_ you [22:09] schestowitz > the game is up. So I guess with places like that the strategy is to [22:09] schestowitz > always be a new outsider and hope that 'submissions' get traction on [22:09] schestowitz > their merit, [22:09] schestowitz > [22:09] schestowitz >> long-term platform on the Internet for expressing non-mainstream [22:09] schestowitz >> ideas is to create one, e.g. a personal website. [22:09] schestowitz > As far as 10 year projects go, that's possible. I've done it before. I [22:09] schestowitz > ran xxxxxx between 2005 and 2016 as a hub for electronic music [22:09] schestowitz > ideas in a language called Pure Data. Very niche but a surprisingly [22:09] schestowitz > active and lovely community. [22:09] schestowitz > [22:09] schestowitz > This is a different phase of my life. With what's happening to the [22:09] schestowitz > planet it's not about me or the old things any more. I want to focus [22:09] schestowitz > on writing and understanding, so I am reaching out to people who have [22:09] schestowitz > already built and can defend dissemination channels. [22:09] schestowitz > [22:09] schestowitz > Oddly, I have less trouble with the mainstream. The Times or BBC seem [22:10] schestowitz > relatively warm to "radical" ideas about reshaping tech (probably [22:10] schestowitz > because regulation aligns with their agenda - but that is not my [22:10] schestowitz > schtick and actually I think most regulation will achieve very little) [22:10] schestowitz > [22:10] schestowitz > "Digital Veganism" is sort of a thing that mums and grans can get [22:10] schestowitz > their heads around. [22:10] schestowitz > [22:10] schestowitz > all best, ● Jan 08 [23:21] *blitzed (~blitzed@xtgq85rp9r7je.irc) has joined #techbytes