●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, June 09, 2022 ●● ● Jun 09 [00:02] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:12] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@y56qsb6r6yg94.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jun 09 [01:08] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:23] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [01:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:33] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [01:34] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:43] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [01:44] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jun 09 [02:18] *schestowitz has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:18] *schestowitz (~roy@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #techbytes [02:18] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #techbytes schestowitz [02:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [02:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jun 09 [03:49] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jun 09 [04:02] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jun 09 [05:40] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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I have a lot of respect for women so I [12:03] schestowitz >>>>> won't register that domain. [12:03] schestowitz >>>> The narrative you use unfortunately leaves some women subjected to [12:03] schestowitz >>>> unwarranted shaming already. With or without their names online... [12:03] schestowitz >>>> [12:03] schestowitz >>>> Not sure of the best approach, maybe blurring faces would have worked. [12:03] schestowitz >>>> Focusing on the 'predators' and not showing who they are using. [12:03] schestowitz >>> It is a very awkward question. If the faces are blurred then people [12:03] schestowitz >>> can't see that it is the same girl in 3 or 4 photos at different events. [12:03] schestowitz >>> [12:03] schestowitz >>> When Megan Stammers (15) ran away to France with her teacher the [12:03] schestowitz >>> newspapers all published both the name and the photo. They redacted the [12:03] schestowitz >>> name until she became 18 and then they started using her name again. [12:03] schestowitz >>> [12:03] schestowitz >>> As long as the Outreachy money is on offer there is an actual risk of [12:03] schestowitz >>> harm to women. DebConf22 appears to be a risk for women and it also [12:03] schestowitz >>> appears to be a risk for innocent men who go there and accidentally get [12:03] schestowitz >>> photographed with the pimp or a teenager. I was lucky to keep clear of [12:03] schestowitz >>> all that on my visits there. [12:03] schestowitz >>> [12:03] schestowitz >>> The photos last week have been used many times before, sometimes [12:03] schestowitz >>> blurred. This time people see the connection between the photos, they [12:03] schestowitz >>> struck a chord, did you see the reaction? [12:03] schestowitz >> yes, I guess the age factor is one of several factors that may cause [12:03] schestowitz >> alienation [12:03] schestowitz > The girls pictured with Lamb are born in 1994. There are no underage [12:03] schestowitz > photos of those girls. [12:03] schestowitz > [12:03] schestowitz > There is only one girl who is 16 and she published the photo herself. [12:03] schestowitz > But I can imagine some scenarios in which the photos are taken down [12:03] schestowitz > after DebConf. As you saw yourself, the photos are making it more [12:03] schestowitz > difficult for them to get female slaves to serve drinks and that is [12:03] schestowitz > probably why they complained to you. [12:03] schestowitz > [12:04] schestowitz >> you can be 100% right, but if you alienate your audience, then... [12:04] schestowitz > [12:04] schestowitz > You told me that they were already lobbying you to stop syndicating on [12:04] schestowitz > Techrights many months before these photos appeared. Other people gave [12:04] schestowitz > me similar feedback about widespread vendettas to censor me. Have you [12:04] schestowitz > seen any specific change in attitude from those who are behind the [12:04] schestowitz > vendettas? [12:04] schestowitz > [12:04] schestowitz > Have you seen any change in attitude from readers/observers? [12:04] schestowitz > [12:04] schestowitz > Looking at the 15 resignations, I feel that the issue has had a very [12:04] schestowitz > powerful impact for that subset of people even if some other people [12:04] schestowitz > don't care at all. If you could choose only one of the following [12:04] schestowitz > outcomes from your next piece of writing, which would it be? [12:04] schestowitz > [12:04] schestowitz > a) debian.community dispute confirms harassment by Debian [12:04] schestowitz > [12:04] schestowitz > b) 10 more really good developers resign [12:04] schestowitz > [12:04] schestowitz > c) 10000 end users click "Like" on an article [12:04] schestowitz > [12:04] schestowitz > [12:04] schestowitz > Do you know anybody who likes to gamble with bookmakers like Ladbrokes? [12:04] schestowitz > It would be interesting to see if they will give odds on the WIPO case. 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