●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, July 09, 2021 ●● ● Jul 09 [00:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes ● Jul 09 [01:09] schestowitz Re: Mind hosting this for me? [01:09] schestowitz > Give this a read then try to find it on google. Its been scrubbed since Ive started pointing this out with regard to anti-trust and my links to it are broken now. This behavior is anti-trust AF and Im going to start reaching out about it now that I know theyre concerned. [01:09] schestowitz Do you want me to upload the PDF? Would that be enough? [01:09] schestowitz Yessir. Them scrubbing this post shows that theyre afraid of it being realized. [01:09] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Create-stickiness-with-IP-Microsoft-Partner-Network.pdf [01:09] schestowitz It would be worth writing a short post about it which has the same title/headline and explain what it's about. That would help enhance discover-ability. [01:15] *acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:15] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:15] *libertybox_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:21] *acer-box (~acer-box@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:21] *libertybox_ (~schestowitz_log@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:21] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [01:22] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes ● Jul 09 [03:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes [03:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes [03:14] schestowitz [09:35] i have a favour to ask [03:14] schestowitz [09:35] commit ID in 6eb06beb4bedb8fbf3267f1698754a5ff207d811 in hxxxxxxxxxxxxx [03:15] schestowitz [09:35] look at the edit that i did to the RMS article, in that commit [03:15] schestowitz [09:35] can you do the same edit on your mirror of my article? [03:15] schestowitz [09:36] i concluded that being overly aggressive about coraline ada was bad for my image. simply attacking ethical source is enough. as for eric raymond, i have decided that it is not worth showing my support of him, it could be used to sink me in the future [03:15] schestowitz [09:37] i actually don't support esr, i just like that one thing he did [03:15] schestowitz [09:37] esr is a racist twat [03:15] schestowitz [10:20] I have just taken a look [03:15] schestowitz [10:20] it would be easier to know which paragraphs to change and what to [03:15] schestowitz [10:20] ah ok, lemme check [03:15] schestowitz [10:21] you only host the english one right? [03:15] schestowitz [10:21] you have the language menu, but only the english one is actually available [03:15] schestowitz [10:21] tbh [03:15] schestowitz [10:21] i suggest firstly removing the language menu [03:15] schestowitz [10:21] on a personl note [03:15] schestowitz [10:21] I am against toning things done post-publication [03:15] schestowitz [10:22] unless there are errors [03:15] schestowitz [10:22] ok, then don't do it [03:15] schestowitz [10:22] we need people who don't get censored or self-censor [03:15] schestowitz [10:22] I'll keep the original language [03:15] schestowitz [10:22] think of it as "uncensored" version [03:15] schestowitz [10:22] very well [03:15] schestowitz [10:23] thanks [03:15] schestowitz [10:23] i mostly did it because the sections i removed were superfluous and low quality [03:15] schestowitz [10:23] self-censorship causes many of the current issues [03:15] schestowitz [10:24] well [03:15] schestowitz [10:24] people afraid to say things because of the "professionals" [03:15] schestowitz [10:24] i was made aware of some racist shit esr says, after i published the article, [03:15] schestowitz [10:24] yes, we all said some bad things once upon a time [03:15] schestowitz [10:24] we need a culture that can average out the worst [03:15] schestowitz [10:24] my article didn't support esr, just defended something he said about osi and ethical source [03:15] schestowitz [10:24] i might un-do my edit tbh [03:15] schestowitz [10:24] rms also supported esr on some things [03:15] schestowitz [10:25] he told me [03:15] schestowitz [10:25] because they use his worst and l00n posts to cancel everything he ever did [03:15] schestowitz [10:25] they do the same to derek taylor [03:15] schestowitz [10:26] you know what? [03:15] schestowitz [10:26] i didn't see this as self-censorship [03:15] schestowitz [10:26] but you raise a good point [03:15] schestowitz [10:26] i think it may have been a mistake for me to modify the article [03:15] schestowitz [10:27] it is self-censorship [03:15] schestowitz [10:27] i didn't even come out in support of esr himself, just a specific thing he said [03:16] schestowitz [10:27] if someone else convinced you to [03:16] schestowitz [10:27] and what he said was correct [03:16] schestowitz [10:27] even after publishing [03:16] schestowitz [10:28] mjg is doing it to people all the time [03:16] schestowitz [10:28] hot damn! [03:16] schestowitz [10:28] you're right [03:16] schestowitz [10:28] i'm so sorry [03:16] schestowitz [10:28] i'll revert my edit [03:16] schestowitz [10:28] good [03:16] schestowitz [10:28] all you had to do was say mjg [03:16] schestowitz [10:28] fuck that guy [03:16] schestowitz [10:28] mjg tried to paint me as pro-rape [03:16] schestowitz [10:29] and because ryan, who is gay, was traumatised by a trans uncle as a child, he also tried to paint techrights as anti-trans [03:16] schestowitz [10:29] then they can go around my back asking people to censor links to us [03:16] schestowitz [10:30] recent example in http://techrights.org/2021/06/01/wikipedia-osi/ [03:16] schestowitz [10:31] i have reverted the edits now [03:16] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | The Libel Initiative: OSI President Falsely Insinuates OSI Critics Are Homophobic and Requests Censorship of Wikipedia (for OSI) | Techrights [03:16] schestowitz [10:31] thank for your snapping me out of it [03:16] schestowitz [10:31] it won't happen again [03:19] schestowitz http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/07/03/european-patent-office-publishes-annual-review-2020/#comments [03:19] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | European Patent Office publishes Annual Review 2020 - Kluwer Patent Blog [03:19] schestowitz " [03:19] schestowitz Do not take us for a ride! [03:19] schestowitz JULY 3, 2021 AT 5:54 PM [03:19] schestowitz Like every document coming from the present management of the EPO it is full of buzzwords and tries to give a glorious picture of the EPO. [03:19] schestowitz If one knows the reality behind it, it is far from being glorious. [03:19] schestowitz The actual president of the EPO had been chosen to restore social peace at the office. In matters of being disliked by his staff he achieved in less than three years what his predecessor took much longer to achieve. [03:19] schestowitz The constant attack on the salaries and pensions and the fact that even examining staff can only have 5 year contracts, renewable once, before hoping to get a non-time limited contract is covered up by meaningless management warble. It is clearly management by fear, and if you dare say something you are out quicker than you think. [03:19] schestowitz When a staff member leaves the office before ten years he has accrued no right for a pension from the EPO. He just gets back the sums he has put in the pension scheme and has to look what he can do with it. The EPO is not any longer an attractive employer. Any potential staff with a family and children will not leave his country of origin, sever all links with his social security scheme, to come to such a wobbly situation. [03:19] schestowitz The nepotism at the EPO has taken proportions which are hard to believe. Having connections with the Iberian Peninsula in general and Alicante in particular gives you a good chance to be propelled in the higher salary levels when entering the EPO. Otherwise you are just good for the coal front. [03:19] schestowitz The only thing which matters to management is churning out products as quickly as possible. Timeliness is what counts, the rest is secondary. The latest folly of EPOs management is to put most of the staff which is allowed to be present in the office in open space offices, and this applies to examiners as well. [03:19] schestowitz Most of the staff members, and this is also valid for members of the BA, will not even have an allotted desk, less an office. They will have to put their name on a list and on the days they are allowed to come in look which desk is free! [03:19] schestowitz Money has been provided in the budget to refurbish the EPO buildings in order to create those open spaces. When you know that the BA will come back into town, near Hackerbrcke, you wonder why all this money has been spent on rented accommodation in Haar with a very long lease. [03:19] schestowitz As far as quality is concerned one has just to look at decisions of the BA. When you look at some recent decisions on substantial procedural violations you have to realise that the three man division exists only on paper. Working in home office, which should become the norm in the future, is certainly not enhancing the feeling of belonging and the cooperation with colleagues. But on a glossy paper everything looks honky dory. [03:19] schestowitz The number of patents revoked or severely limited after opposition is dramatically increasing. In general the search can be qualified as being sub-optimal, and examination is even worse. It would be interesting to see the real internal quality figures. There are far from being as glorious as the office tries the outside word to believe. But they will never be published. [03:19] schestowitz As far as public user consultation is concerned, receiving 150 responses is anything to be proud of when you compare with the number of applicants and qualified representatives. The reason for this is very simple: why bother to send in suggestions and comments as the EPO will ignore most of them. [03:19] schestowitz The same is happening for OP by ViCo without consent of the parties, cf. G 1/21. The way the PD legal affairs behaved during yesterdays OP before the EBA is perfectly illustrating the disdain of the present management for the users of the EPO. Alleging that there was never a right for OP in person and that Art 116 does not forbid OP by ViCo and it is for the office to decide on the form OP can take and the parties have no say as the office knows [03:19] schestowitz what is good for the parties, could not give a worse impression. [03:19] schestowitz Something has gone wrong at the EPO. It has become a playground for co-opted pseudo managers full of themselves and who do not have the faintest idea of the products delivered, but know very well how those products should look like. [03:19] schestowitz Anon Y. Mouse [03:19] schestowitz JULY 4, 2021 AT 5:51 PM [03:19] schestowitz This is the first that I have ever heard about the Boards of Appeal moving back into Munich. [03:19] schestowitz Is that true? Has this been publicly confirmed? It would be a welcome move, but I find it hard to believe that the EPO management would reverse such a recent decision so easily (even if that decision has proven immensely unpopular both within the EPO and with its users). [03:20] schestowitz Attentive Observer [03:20] schestowitz JULY 4, 2021 AT 8:10 PM [03:20] schestowitz The members of the boards have been informed. They have the same conditions than other staff members: no personal desk. If they want a desk they have to apply for one! [03:20] schestowitz Modern management! [03:20] schestowitz Observer [03:20] schestowitz JULY 3, 2021 AT 7:08 PM [03:20] schestowitz Wouldnt a link to the press release have been more efficient? Everything is perfect, and moving according to plans. [03:20] schestowitz Concerned observer [03:20] schestowitz JULY 5, 2021 AT 11:36 AM [03:20] schestowitz A masterclass in crafting seemingly positive conclusions from rather unpromising material. For example, consider the statement The consultation cycle was considered a success. Whilst this sounds positive, it could actually be (and most likely is) an example of the management marking their own homework as it does not indicate WHO considered the consultation cycle to be a success. [03:20] schestowitz The report is also excellent text to use when playing buzzword bingo. However, when it comes to providing an accurate picture of the current state of the EPO, it seems to me that this document is rather useless. I suppose that this is all that one can expect when the management has no fear of being held accountable for making false or misleading statements. [03:20] schestowitz Another trick seems to be to design key performance indicators that look good for (and are easily managed by) EPO management, but that are in fact not intended to provide a meaningful insight into real world performance. For example, how do the five pillars of quality (design; support; shared values; metrics and continual learning; and dialogue) lead to high quality patent search and examination? It seems to me that it all rather depends [03:20] schestowitz upon what metrics you decide to measure, as well as what is meant in reality by the other four pillars. For example, experience teaches us that dialogue can actually be EPO-speak for we announce new measures and then offer you an opportunity to provide comments that we have no intention of taking into account. Anyone who spent time preparing and submitting comments on Art 15a RPBA can bear witness to this. [03:20] schestowitz Attentive Observer [03:20] schestowitz JULY 7, 2021 AT 3:56 AM [03:20] schestowitz If you define what your thermometer you are using, you will never be ill. [03:20] schestowitz Even on your deathbed you will be perfectly healthy. [03:20] schestowitz It makes me sad to see how the EPO is willfully drawn into the wall by would be managers who do not have a clue about the harm they actually do! [03:20] schestowitz " ● Jul 09 [04:47] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 09 [05:33] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 09 [07:30] *acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:51] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:51] *libertybox_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 09 [08:02] *libertybox_ (~schestowitz_log@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [08:03] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes [08:16] *acer-box (~acer-box@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jul 09 [09:18] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/07/russia-adopts-law-that-shakes-cognac.html?showComment=1625665593829#c5220494251295622868 [09:18] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Russia adopts law that shakes Cognac and Champagne importers - The IPKat [09:18] schestowitz | [09:18] schestowitz Dear Anastasiia, [09:18] schestowitz Many thanks for your comment. [09:18] schestowitz This provision reads " , ", [09:18] schestowitz i.e. "Within seven years from the date of entry into force of this Federal Law, for the purpose of cognac production, processing or use of cognac distillate produced outside the territory of the Russian Federation is allowed". [09:18] schestowitz IMHO, this merely means that for producing cognac in Russia (which will have to be branded as "Russian cognac") Russian cognac distillate will have to be used after 7 years. [09:18] schestowitz Apparently, this provision is to protect the investments of those producers who have already imported cognac distillate from abroad to make cognac of it in next 7 years. [09:18] schestowitz IMHO, this provision does Not mean that after a transition period of 7 years, the name cognac will only be used for those products that are made from cognac distillate produced in Russia. [09:18] schestowitz Btw, could you maybe explain the geopolitical component of this news? [09:18] schestowitz Thank you again for the exciting news! [09:18] schestowitz " [09:18] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/07/russia-adopts-law-that-shakes-cognac.html?showComment=1625731876109#c3179956353158086162 [09:18] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Russia adopts law that shakes Cognac and Champagne importers - The IPKat [09:18] schestowitz " [09:18] schestowitz Dear reader, thank you for this very interesting discussion! [09:18] schestowitz I agree that the provision might be read in two senses, also in a more narrow one and only applicable to the production within the territory of Russia, that is, to "Russian cognac". Any statement in this regard, from Russian officials, would be helpful for the market to prepare for the changes, if any. [09:18] schestowitz Concerning the geopolitical component of the news, it is important to bear in mind that the Law has been in preparation for some years, so it is not a direct reaction to any very recent event. Still, within the Eastern European region Russia leads a policy, which is very different from that of its neighbours (and shows to others that this different approach is possible). Even if the new law is completely within the requirements of international IP [09:18] schestowitz law, it might be in the interests of the EU to be a little more vocal in condemning "Russian champagne" or "Russian cognac". After Russia has passed this new Law, I now see a lot of dissatisfaction in Ukraine (and, I guess, in other countries too), with citizens, but also public officials asking themselves, why weren't we allowed to keep "cognac" or "champagne". [09:18] schestowitz " [09:19] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/07/vico-oral-proceedings-on-legality-of.html?showComment=1625741448310#c5291975448234552059 [09:19] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | ViCo oral proceedings on the legality of ViCo oral proceedings - G1/21, The Sequel - The IPKat [09:19] schestowitz | [09:19] schestowitz Is it any wonder that the AC has given up its control function and that the tail is wagging the dog? [09:19] schestowitz Since 2010, the Office Administration has been completely infiltrated by former AC members. [09:19] schestowitz To list just a few: [09:19] schestowitz Battistelli, Casado, Lutz, Topic, now followed by Campinos (who used to head the Portuguese delegation before he moved to Alicante), Ernst and most recently Ficsor as PD in the Legal Affairs department. [09:19] schestowitz With such extensive cross-pollination and no effective external oversight is it any wonder that things have developed as they have? 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J. [23:28] schestowitz > *You sent me this video in March of 2020. but I just had another viewing [23:29] schestowitz > and I was amazed by Chalmers Johnson, a brilliant man who had a keen [23:29] schestowitz > insight and intelligence in world politics to enlighten us [23:29] schestowitz > to realities we were not aware of.* [23:29] schestowitz > * [23:29] schestowitz > * [23:29] schestowitz > * [23:29] schestowitz > *https://youtu.be/8t8KxIE9m-A * [23:29] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | Domestic Democracy or Foreign Imperialism - YouTube [23:29] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | Domestic Democracy or Foreign Imperialism - YouTube [23:29] schestowitz > *> Sorry, previous message had the wrong link. See below for correction [23:29] schestowitz > [23:29] schestowitz > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnKZ5UgYS0 [23:29] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | The Sorrows of Empire - Chalmers Johnson - YouTube [23:29] schestowitz Every now and then I mention him. [23:29] schestowitz He died a long time ago, but over a decade ago he made me aware of things I had not known. That still impacts my views today.