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schestowitz[07:03] <somebody> Hi. Am I writing to Mr. Roy SchestowitzNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:03] <somebody> ?Nov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:21] <somebody> Please I need to speak with Mr Schestowitz and/or techrights and tuxmachines webmastersNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:21] <somebody> it's urgentNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:23] <schestowitz> HINov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:23] <schestowitz> helloNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:23] <schestowitz> on the Internet, linking to a site does not requite permissionNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:23] <schestowitz> that's how how the Web worksNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:24] <somebody> I don't claim for all link removaNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:24] <somebody> removalNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:24] <somebody> it's ok for meNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:24] <somebody> but I see an excessive amount pointing to my siteNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:24] <somebody> coming from your sitesNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:25] <somebody> my blog counts about 100 articlesNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:26] <somebody> and I see from my Google Search console about 4'000 links only from tuxmachines.orgNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:26] <somebody> this is wasting my SEO rankingNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:26] <somebody> please, can you help me by reducing links and optimizing them?Nov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:32] <schestowitz> I think this is falseNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:32] <schestowitz> there are maybe 100 linksNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:32] <schestowitz> and they send traffic and improve rankingNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:32] <schestowitz> to youNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:36] <somebody> ok, thank you for your prompt answer. I'll try to contact Google for this question. If I will need any help, how can I contact you? Have you got an email address?Nov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:37] <schestowitz> here is okNov 11 07:41
schestowitz[07:37] <schestowitz> Google has a bug maybeNov 11 07:42
schestowitz[07:37] <schestowitz> it should not issue such warningsNov 11 07:42
schestowitz[07:38] <somebody> surely, but hope you understand my worry...Nov 11 07:42
schestowitz[07:38] <somebody> thank you again, I'll let you know if I'll need any helpNov 11 07:42
schestowitz[07:38] <schestowitz> linking to a site does not harm itNov 11 07:42
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schestowitzI"P address rotated today.  Finding the address is as easy as expected, but far more disruptive to the work flow than I had thought." -AnonNov 11 08:21
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schestowitzx https://venturebeat.com/2020/11/10/microsoft-and-openai-propose-automating-u-s-tech-export-controls/Nov 11 08:35
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-venturebeat.com | Microsoft and OpenAI propose automating U.S. tech export controls | VentureBeatNov 11 08:35
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@csolisr: @tuxmachines @schestowitz IT'S BAAAAAAACKNov 11 17:38
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jrobertson: #microsoft #dirtytricks #sameold #gnulinux https://t.co/HImgyiRoq8Nov 11 17:38
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: This is utterly disgusting and a hallmark of corrupt, clueless 'journalism'. Microsoft employee says that you can w… https://t.co/gb6o0Wflb4Nov 11 17:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/vlntnrthbrg/status/1326571872415346688Nov 11 17:39
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@vlntnrthbrg: Did you know that #podman can auto-update containers when there's a new image on the registry? Now available as a t… https://t.co/OzfbGCY3tBNov 11 17:39
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@vlntnrthbrg: Did you know that #podman can auto-update containers when there's a new image on the registry? Now available as a t… https://t.co/OzfbGCY3tBNov 11 17:39
schestowitz"Did you know that #podman can auto-update containers when there's a new image on the registry? Now available as a tech preview on RHEL 8.3."Nov 11 17:39
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@fcassia: @schestowitz The c64 of the 21st centuryNov 11 17:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1326533240136503296Nov 11 17:40
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jrobertson: Let's hope at least your IOT smoke alarm still works. #iot2020 https://t.co/VjdUrXDQQJNov 11 17:40
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Hahahaha. #surveillance aficionado Laura Tucker spent ages promoting these #listeningDevices ... and now those "sma… https://t.co/wKlzHJM056Nov 11 17:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ghostDancer_tt/status/1326446937223127045Nov 11 17:41
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ghostDancer_tt: @schestowitz The rats are abandoning the ship. Suckerberg is running away from Trump.Nov 11 17:41
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@GodsWarrior007: @schestowitz He could lead us into revolution since our government (legislation) has become oppressive and tyrannical. Lockdowns and masksNov 11 17:41
schestowitz"He could lead us into revolution since our government (legislation) has become oppressive and tyrannical. Lockdowns and masks"Nov 11 17:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ashwin_baindur/status/1326445587516936193Nov 11 17:41
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ashwin_baindur: @schestowitz A very important topic which just isn't being given any chance to circulate.Nov 11 17:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ashwin_baindur/status/1326444673716551681Nov 11 17:42
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ashwin_baindur: The United States for all its sham of being a lawful and democratic nation, doesn't hesitate at the slightest to vi… https://t.co/sR65Fg2aj5Nov 11 17:42
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ashwin_baindur: The United States for all its sham of being a lawful and democratic nation, doesn't hesitate at the slightest to vi… https://t.co/sR65Fg2aj5Nov 11 17:42
schestowitz"The United States for all its sham of being a lawful and democratic nation, doesn't hesitate at the slightest to violate every norm imaginable."Nov 11 17:42
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@fcassia: So much for signed code.... 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️😫😭 cc/@schestowitz #Windows10 #vista10 #brokenbydesign #security #infosec https://t.co/I5vYHV5agyNov 11 17:42
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@mattifestation: With CVE-2020-1599, MS patched a bug that allows an attacker to append data to a signed PE file without invalidatin… https://t.co/gY8Q4Tt3GPNov 11 17:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/1326342172401152001Nov 11 17:43
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@fcassia: it's even worse because it's not an unsigned app, it' s a perfectly valid SIGNED APP signed by the @TheASF. cc/… https://t.co/19PSmgOAQINov 11 17:43
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@fcassia: it's even worse because it's not an unsigned app, it' s a perfectly valid SIGNED APP signed by the @TheASF. cc/… https://t.co/19PSmgOAQINov 11 17:43
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schestowitzit's even worse because it's not an unsigned app, it' s a perfectly valid SIGNED APP signed by the @TheASFNov 11 17:43
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schestowitz"Attacking ethnic #TIGRAY region claiming he will save them from “rebels” while cutting power,electricity,phone,banks,roads..etc on them. #Abiy is against all of  #Tigray at this point"Nov 11 17:43
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schestowitzStella Moris is a fraud and why NOBODY has ever heard Julian Assange say he loves her. His friends says she was his gopher. She FAKED pregnancy & portrait photos. The kids are stolen CIA MKUltra victims.Nov 11 17:44
schestowitzFULL STORY: http://StellaMoris.comNov 11 17:44
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Large Corporations Aren’t Going to Save the Real Linux Community | Hacker NewsNov 11 18:15
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schestowitzI'm not surprised that these open source communities are dying. They were founded based on the ideals of free speech and selfless sharing of technology. Both of these ideals are dying.Nov 11 18:15
schestowitzThe GNU project makes it very clear that they are striving for the freedom of the user to modify and adapt the software that they use. So every time a GNU tool is used in the private back-end part of a SaaS webapp, that's directly opposite to the spirit of the GNU project, because you, the end user, have no way of modifying said SaaS.Nov 11 18:15
schestowitzAnd it's not only free speech in source code, it appears to me that free speech in general is under attack, now that people have noticed that a twitter storm and a supposed code of conduct violation is enough to wield immense power, for example by destroying someone's reputation, job, and life. We have effectively handed loaded guns to random strangers on the internet and, predictably, the results were bad.Nov 11 18:15
schestowitzThe spirit of selfless sharing is also dying quickly, which I would blame onto the greed of internet startups and onto the entitlement of users that don't understand that GMail isn't truly free, just because there's no credit card charge.Nov 11 18:15
schestowitzI myself try to stay away from open source nowadays, because it ruins my mood if I get an entitled email from some random stranger who is insulting me because my free app did not solve his/her problem. In my case, a big company was kinda guilty in creating this problem, because they advocated my FOSS module on their homepage as if it was part of their expensive paid offering. So some of their customers feel like it's my duty to offerNov 11 18:15
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schestowitzAlso, I would be very hesitant to release anything valuable with LGPL or even GPL these days. Chances are, it'll become the next cool "service" that Amazon, Google, and Microsoft will offer in their clouds, and I as the author of the software actually providing the service, will get nothing.Nov 11 18:15
schestowitzCase in point, one of my consulting clients is paying like $30,000 annually to Microsoft for hosted PostgreSQL. But apparently, re-selling PostgreSQL as a service with presumably millions in revenue is not enough for Microsoft to become an official sponsor... https://www.postgresql.org/about/sponsors/Nov 11 18:15
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schestowitzsandworm101 2 days ago [–]Nov 11 18:15
schestowitzOpen source software is dying because software is dying. Once upon a time people lines up for hours to get the latest software. Boxes were and CDs were proudly displayed on office shelves. But software isn't the hot thing. Services are king. Facebook and youtube aren't software. TikTok isn't software. They are services and services are much harder to open source.Nov 11 18:15
schestowitzThere are a few. Tor and Signal are good examples. They are software that enables an underlying service. So they get attention. People want to contribute. Imho if F/OSS wants to thrive it has to focus on those projects that provide services that people can proudly say that they use and to which they can proudly contribute time and energy.Nov 11 18:15
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schestowitzThank you for bringing up a new angle that I hadn't considered before :)Nov 11 18:15
schestowitzYes, we should look into how one can adapt the "free speech" open source spirit to work for services.Nov 11 18:15
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schestowitzSelf-hosting. Otherwise you’re forever limited to whatever the service provider’s understaffed moderation team translated from the corporate email and plugged into the filters this afternoon.Nov 11 18:16
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schestowitzWhile self-hosting is a good option for us developers, I'm pretty sure that most normal people will not do it. So to reach the critical mass needed to make an open source project financially viable, I don't think we can rely on self-hosting.Nov 11 18:16
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schestowitzYou’re not wrong, but since service providers control what happens on their servers, and have no obligation to allow any particular speech, then self-hosting (or its close cousin, federation) are the only ways to assert publication control of your own posts.Nov 11 18:16
schestowitz> look into how one can adapt the "free speech" open source spirit to work for servicesNov 11 18:16
schestowitzUnless you want to treat service providers as public utilities, which isn’t necessarily a bad idea, just an uphill battle.Nov 11 18:16
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schestowitz> Signal are good examples.Nov 11 18:16
schestowitzIs Signal a good example? It is not federated and you can't connect to an alternative server from the Signal client. When I use signal I feel like I am using a free service.Nov 11 18:16
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schestowitzcroh 2 days ago [–]Nov 11 18:16
schestowitzwell there are many services people use proudly. Previously authors of opensource projects used to run consultancy for their softwares. But now days, many such projects get ported to public cloud in no time. So for these projects, public cloud providers are only (direct) customers.Nov 11 18:16
schestowitzIT IS TIME TO UPDATE YOUR LISCENSE TO ADDRESS PUBLIC CLOUD PROVIDERS else sooner or later open souce gonna dieNov 11 18:16
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schestowitzWe seem to be slowly moving from an ownership model to a subscription model where you pay "rent" with money or data. Not just software but hardware as well. How long before smartphones are simply fused shut preventing you from opening it and you have to return the smartphone before upgrading to another.Nov 11 18:16
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schestowitzThat's a somewhat consumer-centric view of the software world. But it's true that, even in business, there is something of a shift towards managed services vs. on-prem software.Nov 11 18:16
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schestowitz> The GNU project makes it very clear that they are striving for the freedom of the user to modify and adapt the software that they use. So every time a GNU tool is used in the private back-end part of a SaaS webapp, that's directly opposite to the spirit of the GNU project, because you, the end user, have no way of modifying said SaaS.Nov 11 18:17
schestowitz> Also, I would be very hesitant to release anything valuable with LGPL or even GPL these days.Nov 11 18:17
schestowitzThe point of the AGPL is to close the loophole that allows this abuse. Just switch to it for your own projects.Nov 11 18:17
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schestowitzAs far as I understand, the AGPL still allows a service provider to use an unmodified binary internally, as long as the user of that service never accesses it directly. If my understanding is correct, that means if GNU were to switch to AGPL, it wouldn't help the users of SaaS webapps that internally use GNU tools at all.Nov 11 18:17
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schestowitzThe point of the AGPL is to require sharing of modifications to the software when that software is used in a service. If you're using an unmodified binary, then you haven't made any changes to the software. You won't be obligated to share changes if the changes don't exist, so you could use the unmodified binary internally or externally.Nov 11 18:17
schestowitzThe AGPLv3 has a lot to say about patents, which is enough to scare off many companies from software that uses the AGPLv3, but I believe it won't be triggered if you never make any changes in the first place (and are therefore presumably not a 'contributor').Nov 11 18:17
schestowitzAGPLv3: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.en.htmlNov 11 18:17
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.gnu.org | GNU Affero General Public License - GNU Project - Free Software FoundationNov 11 18:17
schestowitzSee also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License , https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/1078...Nov 11 18:17
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Affero General Public License - WikipediaNov 11 18:17
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schestowitzpessimizer 2 days ago [–]Nov 11 18:17
schestowitzIf the webapps themselves use AGPL software, that's not "internally." If the employees of a SaaS company themselves use AGPL software that isn't linked to the service that users access, that's internally; e.g. if a webapp uses an AGPL database, the users are accessing that database.Nov 11 18:17
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schestowitzI'd say using an AGPL tool as a service for your webapp is this scenario:Nov 11 18:17
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schestowitzwhich seems to be allowed by AGPL without disclosing source code.Nov 11 18:17
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schestowitzThe details are somewhat unclear but basically yes, that's what a cloud provider/SaaS company would probably assume. So they probably just won't use AGPL code and if they do want to offer a service with the same APIs, they can (at least for now) recreate a compatible service that they write themselves.Nov 11 18:17
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schestowitzianai 2 days ago [–]Nov 11 18:17
schestowitzJust myself, I saw an increase in FOSS activity seemingly due to the Great Recession leaving so many unemployed. People had so much time on their hands that contributing to a FOSS project made sense for all sorts of reasons. After years of recovery, people are (were?) back employed and don’t have such time on their hands.Nov 11 18:18
schestowitzFOSS is pretty interesting as a way for otherwise non-cooperatives to make something useful together. Also seems like something similar to academics. Unfortunately, our economic system might force it to be a fluke.Nov 11 18:18
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schestowitzjmclnx 2 days ago [–]Nov 11 18:18
schestowitzYes I agree with this, and in reality nothing really stopping Companies from abusing the GPL, notice how almost all corporations avoid GPLv3 like the plague.Nov 11 18:18
schestowitz(edit, I meant easy to abuse GPL2, but GPL3 ias hard to abuse)Nov 11 18:18
schestowitzPersonality I believe the final nail was the "coup" at the FSF with RMS. He could be a pain at times, but almost all his fears about the future of computing is slowly coming true.Nov 11 18:18
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schestowitzI'd say GPLv3 avoidance demonstrates respect[fear] of the license, not abuse of it. To abuse it would be to use that software while not respecting the terms of the license.Nov 11 18:18
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schestowitzI missed pointing out GPL2 is rather easy to abuse, i edited my original post.Nov 11 18:18
schestowitzYes, Large Companies is scared of the GPL3 and we are told specifically never use any GPL3 software where I work :)Nov 11 18:18
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schestowitzLike CISCO, Gigabyte, D-Link, NETGEAR, AVM, FANTEC, Iliad, ...Nov 11 18:18
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schestowitzGPLv2 vs. v3 seems to be more a matter of inertia. Yes, a few have concerns about the TiVo-ization language. But a lot of it is that projects like Linux were already under GPLv2 and Linus wasn't interested in changing--and, absent copyright assignment, doing so would have been at least somewhat controversial and would necessarily rely on legal theories not everyone would have been on board with.Nov 11 18:18
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schestowitzRMS was right and the community is afraid to admit itNov 11 18:18
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schestowitz> "It ruins my mood if I get an entitled email from some random stranger who is insulting me because my free app did not solve his/her problem [...] apparently, re-selling PostgreSQL as a service with presumably millions in revenue is not enough for Microsoft to become an official sponsor."Nov 11 18:19
schestowitzAren't these part of the freedoms of speech and behaviour you were enthusing about a couple of sentences ago? And your freedom to stay away from open source is part of it, too?Nov 11 18:19
schestowitz"Open source with an ideal of freedom, where the users (corporate and personal) behave exactly how you want" sounds contradictory.Nov 11 18:19
schestowitz(Curious, are you happy that Microsoft is part of the Linux Foundation? Or do you see that as them exerting unwanted influence?)Nov 11 18:19
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schestowitzmixmastamyk 2 days ago [–]Nov 11 18:19
schestowitzSeems unnecessarily pessimistic. Just because there are a few rude looney folks out there doesn’t mean there isn’t an opportunity to make money. Gracious but firm negotiating can get you farther than simply giving up.Nov 11 18:19
schestowitzOf course it depends on the market value of the work.Nov 11 18:19
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schestowitzgreatgib 2 days ago [–]Nov 11 18:19
schestowitzFrom my point of view, the open source and free software succeeded and went to it's apogee. But now, as noticed by this article, companies noticed that they could make a lot of money with that, and so there is a corporate take over of companies that don't have the core values but see the marketing interest of the oss.Nov 11 18:19
schestowitzSo, little by little they used their money to get control of the main oss software/stacks and impose their flawed values. Look at npmjs, github bought by Microsoft, the Linux community that is now mostly corporate, os like Ubuntu, shitty tools like docker and mongodb and co...Nov 11 18:19
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schestowitzWho ever assumed corporations were going to save the Linux community?Nov 11 18:19
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schestowitzAll the people who think VScode on Linux is great, and think it's nice that MS money backing github is not risky, and that WSL is cool and we should let them bring DirextX to Linux too.Nov 11 18:19
schestowitzIn isolation any of those could be cool, but some see the totality of it as awesome rather than a full assault.Nov 11 18:19
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schestowitzEven worse, if you mention the "telemetry" in VSCode, you get a PR barrage of downvotes and comments saying it's "optional" and Microsoft isn't like facebook and they don't depend on data. Nevermind that data is the direction nadella wants to take microsoft - free windows 10, linkedin, github, etc.Nov 11 18:19
schestowitzThe "love" you see for microsoft, gates, etc here is bizarre.Nov 11 18:19
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schestowitz> we should let them bring DirextX to Linux too.Nov 11 18:19
schestowitzThe thing I like about open source is that you don’t need to ask permission to modify, expand, or target. Still, I would never run DirectX on my computers.Nov 11 18:19
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schestowitzYou forgot PowerShell and SQL Server.Nov 11 18:20
schestowitzThis whole situation makes me feel a little sick if I'm honest. It's ok to have platforms, but it's not ok to blur the lines because everyone needs an exit plan.Nov 11 18:20
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schestowitzThere seem to be some such people in this very discussion who think corporations might.Nov 11 18:20
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schestowitzRed Hat is exceptional.Nov 11 18:20
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schestowitzPytorch and matplotlib managed to unseat matlab, which I didn’t think would ever happen.Nov 11 18:20
schestowitzBitcoin, git are open source.Nov 11 18:20
schestowitzdocker, kubernetes will just add a level of abstraction over any proprietary os.Nov 11 18:20
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schestowitz"Pytorch and matplotlib managed to unseat matlab"Nov 11 18:20
schestowitzFrom what I know, most companies use MATLAB for real-time simulation or its VHDL code generation, which means you can put your algorithms into FPGA with relative ease. I don't see Pytorch helping there anytime soon.Nov 11 18:20
schestowitzThat said, I agree with you that a lot of mathematical computing is moving to Python, especially now that there's multiple frameworks with GPU support. And yes, that's a great development :)Nov 11 18:20
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schestowitzI came here to say something similar, but with a different industry. None of the people/groups I know using matlab have moved to pytorch, or even gnu octave which is a much closer fit.Nov 11 18:20
schestowitzBecause its not really about matlab so much has the huge collection of library/extensions for matlab or its close relationship to simulink. Decades of industry specific modeling/simulation/tooling built into peoples workflows are hard to change.Nov 11 18:21
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schestowitzDeep engineering tooling is one of the places where opensource really hasn't yet made inroads. From the lack of a good solidworks/cad toolchain to the modeling/simulation space. Even EDA remains deeply dependent on proprietary tooling despite the recent success in a number of places. So while board level design with kicad may start eating into the Altium space now that its beginning to get RF/etc capabilities. I don't see it biting intoNov 11 18:21
schestowitzthe cadence/synopsis/mentor space anytime in the near future if ever due to the secrecy of the foundries.Nov 11 18:21
schestowitzI think a large part of that is there is a lot of breath in this space, and the customer base is generally quite small.Nov 11 18:21
schestowitzSo I think a good opensource PCB layout/modeling tool, and a decent parametric 3d cad program will happen a lot sooner.Nov 11 18:21
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schestowitzWhoa, matlab has vhdl? I never knew, that's cool.Nov 11 18:21
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schestowitzSo, we need an open source license that makes the software not free for large corporations (say > $10M revenue).Nov 11 18:21
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schestowitzCheck out the Polyform Project's Small Business License. It has a threshold of 100 employees and contractors, and 1,000,000 USD in annual revenue.Nov 11 18:21
schestowitzOf course, the OSI's Open Source Definition precludes these kinds of restrictions, so it isn't "open source" by that definition.Nov 11 18:21
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schestowitzamelius 2 days ago [–]Nov 11 18:21
schestowitz> Of course, the OSI's Open Source Definition precludes these kinds of restrictions, so isn't "open source".Nov 11 18:21
schestowitzOne would almost think there are some large corporations behind that organization and its definitions ...Nov 11 18:21
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schestowitzActually these kinds of restrictions have always made the software "non-free" all the way back since GNU. Long before any large corps got involved.Nov 11 18:21
schestowitzOSS inherited this and was always very clear with it also.Nov 11 18:21
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schestowitzI believe we need a way to charge companies of any size for the value that they generate out of using open source tools as part of their SaaS, PaaS, IaaS, etc. offering. If your cloud makes money by hosting an open source project as a service, that open source project should be entitled to a share of the revenue.Nov 11 18:21
schestowitzAnd, actually, we already have something quite similar, but I predict it won't fly with open source communities, most of which hate it unequivocally:Nov 11 18:22
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schestowitzPatents are broken. But they can perhaps be fixed by effectuating a challenge-period after a patent application starts, whereby the patent can be invalidated if someone comes up with an implementation. Also there should be better protection against trolling, for example by requiring the holder of the patent to have a product implementing that patent. Further, a patent should not provide a strict monopoly on the technology for a givenNov 11 18:22
schestowitzperiod (blocking competitors), but the rules should be so that anyone can buy a license for a reasonable price.Nov 11 18:22
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schestowitzDual license: AGPL and commercial. Simple.Nov 11 18:22
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schestowitzAGPL requires you to disclose any changes to the source you make to an SaaS. But it allows making money.Nov 11 18:22
schestowitzIf you want to disallow making money you have to use an even stricter license.Nov 11 18:22
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schestowitzNo free license disallows making money. But the requirement for making source code available means people dont need to pay.Nov 11 18:22
schestowitzTo make money you need to offer something more than just one program. Adding value outside the code itself is viable.Nov 11 18:22
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schestowitzThe issue with patents was that they were used for silly landgrabbing of obvious stuff and locking them up for a long time.Nov 11 18:22
schestowitzNow that things have matured a bit, I think 5-10 year long patents would be perfectly healthy.Nov 11 18:22
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schestowitzAGPLv3 isn't precisely that, but it may as well be since it scares corporations like Google shitless.Nov 11 18:22
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schestowitzI disagree. The AGPL would still allow someone to rake in millions without sharing if they run an unmodified binary of an open source project.Nov 11 18:23
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schestowitzWhile that is a problem it's a fairly harmless one to have, the company can't profit any more off of your work than anybody else can and you're not really losing anything by the company doing this. Contrast this to using the GPL where companies can effectively treat your code as proprietary and profit immensely off of it at the expense of everybody else who publicly contribute to your work but don't receive any kickbacks from bigNov 11 18:23
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schestowitzThat's why I say it's not precisely the license requested. But if your aim is to scare off corporations, it works pretty well.Nov 11 18:23
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schestowitzBut we don't want to scare large corporations. Instead, we want them to financially support the development of open source projects ...Nov 11 18:23
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schestowitzNot 'we'.Nov 11 18:23
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schestowitzYou can write any license you want and claim it's an open source license. It won't be OSI approved of course and, you almost certainly won't build a meaningful community around it but there's nothing keeping you from creating one.Nov 11 18:23
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schestowitzWhy won't you build any meaningful community ? If you only charge from big companies , why does it matter for some lone developer?Nov 11 18:23
schestowitzAnd as for big companies , as long as there's decent value and reasonable fees, why won't they contribute(to also help themselves) ?Nov 11 18:23
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schestowitzMany big companies (especially vendors) do contribute with people and otherwise--because, as you say, it does often help themselves--and most significant developers of major open source projects are doing it as part of their day job.Nov 11 18:23
schestowitzThere's a long history of licenses in the PC freeware/shareware space of being only for personal use/educational use/etc. That usage-based restrictions did not make it into the FOSS world is an important reason that it's been so successful IMO.Nov 11 18:23
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schestowitzamelius 2 days ago [–]Nov 11 18:24
schestowitzBut what if I could pay members of the community using profit made from selling licenses to corporations?Nov 11 18:24
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schestowitzI hate to be flippant, but that's a well-known business model called "contracting". It's possible, absolutely, but it requires a substantial investment of time and effort in business concerns on top of the actual software development. In practice, most leaders of contracting businesses don't have time to write code, and most contracting businesses end up deciding they need to release closed-source extensions.Nov 11 18:24
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schestowitzHow would e.g. Mozilla fit in that view?Nov 11 18:24
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schestowitzSpicyLemonZest 2 days ago [–]Nov 11 18:24
schestowitzAs far as I know Mozilla doesn't sell any software licenses. They were almost entirely subsidized by Netscape from 1998 to 2003, then by Google from 2005 to 2014, and by a variety of search engines competing for Firefox default status since then. That kind of "cash cow" model gives you a lot more organizational freedom than software licensing.Nov 11 18:24
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schestowitzThen you've re-invented being a software vendor that can't even pay it's developers reliably?Nov 11 18:24
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schestowitzWhy not reliably?Nov 11 18:24
schestowitzAnd why would you compare it to a regular software "vendor" when it produces free open software for 99.9% of the people, and non-free open software for 0.1% which are large corporations?Nov 11 18:24
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schestowitzAGPL will prevent them from using it for SaaS. A dual license will then force them to pay creators.Nov 11 18:24
schestowitzIf they are otherwise "selling" GPLed software that's kind of on the buyer to notice they dont need BigCorp to use it.Nov 11 18:24
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schestowitzSo in essence a closed source license.Nov 11 18:25
schestowitzPart 6 of the osi definition is: "No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor"Nov 11 18:25
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schestowitzThat's the OSI definition. Not everyone may agree on that definition especially as views change. Only one thing everyone agrees on is that "open source" is software for which the source code is published, and an "open source license" is a license attached to such software. This is not an extermely useful definition as far as the license is concerned, so if you want to be more specific you (and OSI) have to use more specific termsNov 11 18:25
schestowitzinstead of the broad term "open source".Nov 11 18:25
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schestowitzI disagree, otherwise we end up down in the rabbit hole of things like microsoft's "shared source" BS. Where terms loose meaning.Nov 11 18:25
schestowitzIts not just OSI either, its just most explicit there. This idea is also incompatible with DFSG and FSF definitions. It simply isn't FOSS to have license terms only apply to people you like. Either its Free for everyone or you are making glorified shareware/freeware.Nov 11 18:25
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schestowitz>  WHEN the Linux Foundation (LF) let Microsoft in about 4 years ago we knew it was the beginning of the endNov 11 18:25
schestowitzThe good thing is that they knew. Now they hopefully will rush to regroup in a new setting before it is too late.Nov 11 18:25
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schestowitz"The post is more about libre software (HarfBuzz and world script fonts) than proprietary software. But you are right, it shouldn’t have been placed on Planet KDE. I’ll try to set up a filter."Nov 11 22:27
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