●● IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Saturday, December 12, 2020 ●● ● Dec 12 [02:59] Techrights-sec the IRC logs have beeb quite short of late [02:59] schestowitz One factor is pleroma.site being offline, though it should return online. Number of people in IRC grew. ● Dec 12 [03:00] Techrights-sec Is there an ETA for the repair of Pleroma? [03:01] schestowitz No, but I keep asking about that, I'm not from the only user [03:05] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [03:05] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techbytes [03:08] Techrights-sec By the way, what about DT? He was off to a good start with the first few episozed but is appear [03:08] Techrights-sec ing like he's manipulated or o=therwise falling for the M$ trap. [03:08] Techrights-sec A lot of people wish to appear reasonable and fear that calling M$ out for [03:08] Techrights-sec being as it is will make them look unreasonable. [03:08] Techrights-sec Once a friend and I discuessed M$ court cases with a third friend and the third one [03:08] Techrights-sec kept refusing to believe the events, we had to keep pointing out that [03:08] Techrights-sec these were already settled in a court of law and not conjecture or hypothetical [03:08] Techrights-sec threats. [03:08] Techrights-sec He may also be projecting his own civility onto M$ even if it is an inappropriate [03:08] Techrights-sec projection and M$ shares none of his values. [03:08] Techrights-sec of civility or lawfulness. [03:08] Techrights-sec or ethics [03:08] schestowitz I have asked for clarifications (DT's remarks and context). Meanwhile, he's another risk and liability like Lunduke, can defect at any time for lousy reason. [03:18] Techrights-sec Yes, I had taht concern from the beginning, but have been hoping for the best. [03:18] Techrights-sec As for the most recent episode, hed did well enough previously that I'll write that one off as a [03:18] Techrights-sec flub. However, just that one. [03:18] Techrights-sec With Lunduke, he had been working for M$ and there was always the risk of recidivism. [03:18] Techrights-sec That risk became realized. [03:18] Techrights-sec I'm not sure of the point of any of Lunduke's material any more, so I don't often check on him a [03:18] Techrights-sec nd haven't watched a video of his since spring or earlier. [03:18] Techrights-sec Remember M$ has whole marketing teams with deep pockets and a mandate to never lose even an inch [03:18] Techrights-sec to "Linux" [03:18] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/07/06/love-is-not-about-control/ [03:18] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Azure Running GNU/Linux Isnt About Love But About Control | Techrights [03:24] schestowitz https://www.linkedin.com/in/maemalynn-nokdhes-meanor-4986364 [03:24] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 999 @ https://www.linkedin.com/in/maemalynn-nokdhes-meanor-4986364 ) [03:25] Techrights-sec I think Christine Hall made a point about someone loving chicken. [03:25] Techrights-sec Linked-in is blocked. [03:25] Techrights-sec Does that page say anything useful? [03:25] schestowitz Seems like newish person at LF: (name in https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/2020/12/edgex-foundry-the-leading-iot-open-source-framework-simplifies-deployment-with-the-latest-hanoi-release-new-use-cases-and-ecosystem-resources/ ) [03:25] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.linuxfoundation.org | EdgeX Foundry, the Leading IoT Open Source Framework, Simplifies Deployment with the Latest Hanoi Release, New Use Cases and Ecosystem Resources - The Linux Foundation [03:26] schestowitz Senior Public Relations Manager [03:33] Techrights-sec OT: has the word "drop" completely reversed meaning? e.g. [03:33] Techrights-sec https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/taylor-swift-willow-video-evermore-1101640/ [03:33] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.rollingstone.com | Taylor Swift Drops 'Willow' Video From New Album 'Evermore' - Rolling Stone [03:33] Techrights-sec WTF? Compare the title with the first paragraph. They have opposite meanings. [03:34] schestowitz There is only one writer in that site whom I trust (Matt) ● Dec 12 [09:07] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [09:07] *liberty_box_ has quit (Client Quit) [09:27] Techrights-sec WTF? Compare the title with the first paragraph. They have opposite meanings. [09:27] Techrights-sec I sent a reply by mail, it took a while to write up, thus the delay. 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[16:40] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [16:49] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:50] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:54] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [16:54] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 12 [17:54] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:54] schestowitz >> I found that taste very unique since I was young, but you don't find [17:54] schestowitz > that in nature... and it's not cheese [17:54] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [17:54] schestowitz > [17:54] schestowitz > Salt + anything sour and cheesy, including a sprinkling of actual whey [17:54] schestowitz > and cheddar + MSG. [17:54] schestowitz > [17:54] schestowitz > The MSG essentially drugs you into tasting it more intensely. That makes [17:54] schestowitz > it seem much more delicious and "unique." Also you do find MSG in [17:54] schestowitz > nature, for example in parmesan tomatoes and seaweed, where it is [17:54] schestowitz > present but not added. But the stuff they add to Cheetos is about as [17:54] schestowitz > "natural" as mining "naturally occurring" uranium and then processing it [17:54] schestowitz > into use for energy and war. The amount in parmesan or tomatoes won't [17:54] schestowitz > affect most people, even those who are sensitive. [17:54] *rianne has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:54] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [17:55] schestowitz Re: Everything is everything [17:55] schestowitz > Greenwashing: https://dontgetanyideas.com/comic/20190913 [17:55] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-dontgetanyideas.com | 7: Suppression of Wild Ecosystems - Don't Get Any Ideas [17:55] schestowitz > [17:55] schestowitz > [17:55] schestowitz > "When a company's corporate headquarters is overgrown with wildflowers, [17:55] schestowitz > that's when I'll know the company is serious about being green." [17:55] schestowitz > [17:55] schestowitz > "One of the evils of humankind [civilisation/colonialism] is the [17:55] schestowitz > *coercive suppression of wild ecosystems*" <- (like free software, or [17:55] schestowitz > even free speech) Notice how humanity is always treated as synonymous [17:55] schestowitz > with civilisation? that's because "civilisation" is a euphemism for "we [17:55] schestowitz > killed or enslaved anybody who disagrees with us". ● Dec 12 [18:03] schestowitz > I'm afraid Oiaohm may have a real point here. This has always been one [18:03] schestowitz > of Stallman's most tenuous positions, one of only two that need to be [18:03] schestowitz > "fixed" to make OpenBSD compatible with FSF "fully free" guidelines. [18:03] schestowitz > (Actually it's the only one; the other is the adoption of copyleft to [18:04] schestowitz > make it compatible with the GNU Project; the fully free guidelines do [18:04] schestowitz > not require that.) [18:04] schestowitz > [18:04] schestowitz > The reason that Stallman isn't "wrong" is because his position is the [18:04] schestowitz > only way to ultimately make progress on free firmware-- by taking this [18:04] schestowitz > step backwards. It's a clear step backwards that may harm security, but [18:04] schestowitz > most damning is the way that it dances around how "free" the result [18:04] schestowitz > actually is. [18:04] schestowitz > [18:04] schestowitz > Most of the time, the position of Free Software is "this may suck, but [18:04] schestowitz > at least you're free as in freedom." In this example however, it's [18:04] schestowitz > closer to the truth to say "this may suck, but at least it may lead to [18:04] schestowitz > being more free, even though it really isn't." So a lot of people hear [18:04] schestowitz > this and say "look, I'm not willing to draw the line here-- it's stupid [18:04] schestowitz > and hypocritical." I don't think it's stupid, and it certainly LOOKS [18:04] schestowitz > hypocritical, but IMO we need to establish that even if Stallman is [18:04] schestowitz > right it's debatable without calling anybody a troll for disagreeing [18:04] schestowitz > with this one. It really isn't trolling, it's a fair and realistic take [18:04] schestowitz > on the situation. [18:04] schestowitz > [18:04] schestowitz > You could honestly argue that both approaches go nowhere-- only one [18:04] schestowitz > promises progress, but it may not be a promise it can even keep. [18:04] schestowitz > [18:04] schestowitz > oiaohm [18:04] schestowitz > vZS1: to be correct most wifi drivers have binary firmware blobs. [18:04] schestowitz > This is different to Nvidia binary blob mess. [18:04] schestowitz > [18:04] schestowitz > [18:04] schestowitz > oiaohm [18:04] schestowitz > Its also annoying how often people claim to be using firmware binary [18:04] schestowitz > blob free and realy what they have done is built a system using the [18:04] schestowitz > firmware blobs on the rom in the cards that is technically out of date. [18:04] schestowitz > [18:04] schestowitz > MinceR [18:04] schestowitz > out of date isn't always a bad thing [18:04] schestowitz > [18:04] schestowitz > oiaohm [18:04] schestowitz > It is when its out of date wifi using known flawed encryption without [18:04] schestowitz > telling the user. [18:08] MinceR 12 185423 < schestowitz> > The MSG essentially drugs you into tasting it more intensely. That makes [18:09] MinceR no, MSG has a strong umami taste [18:09] MinceR it's a spice, not a drug [18:09] MinceR 12 185429 < schestowitz> > "natural" as mining "naturally occurring" uranium and then processing it [18:09] MinceR arsenic occurs in nature as well [18:10] MinceR > this may suck, but at least you're free as in freedom. [18:10] MinceR there still is plenty of free software that actually works better than the proprietary alternatives ● Dec 12 [21:59] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) ● Dec 12 [22:00] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes ● Dec 12 [23:50] *rianne has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:50] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes