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schestowitz | http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/12/10/vico-for-oral-proceedings-at-the-epo-cipas-view/#comments | Dec 15 02:04 |
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-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | ViCo for Oral Proceedings at the EPO – CIPA’s view - Kluwer Patent Blog | Dec 15 02:04 | |
schestowitz | " | Dec 15 02:04 |
schestowitz | Dear Mr Gillespie, | Dec 15 02:04 |
schestowitz | If it was really a worry for CIPA to attempt avoiding problems relating to “visa and/or work permit arrangements for travelling from the UK to the Schengen Area”, it could have said so. | Dec 15 02:04 |
schestowitz | If there would have been a worry of this kind, this worry is whatsoever not justified. Just have a look at Art 134, especially Art 134(6 and 8). According to Art 134(6) members of the epi are even entitled to establish a place of business in any Contracting State in which proceedings established by this Convention may be conducted! That is in The Netherlands and in Germany. I know of one London firm of patent attorneys which established | Dec 15 02:04 |
schestowitz | a branch in Munich as early as in 1980! | Dec 15 02:04 |
schestowitz | Qualified representatives from non-EU contracting states are or have been regularly present at OP in person before the pandemic, and I have never heard that travel restrictions were imposed upon them. The possible necessity of obtaining a visa cannot justify that OP in form of ViCo have to become mandatory. | Dec 15 02:04 |
schestowitz | I therefore have to maintain that the reasons brought forward by CIPA have more to do with business reasons than with possible travel restrictions! | Dec 15 02:04 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 15 02:04 |
schestowitz | http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/12/10/vico-for-oral-proceedings-at-the-epo-cipas-view/#comments | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | Dear Richard, | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | I wonder why anyone would need a visa when working on EPO premises, as those are exempt from any national rules, regulations, and and and, as the EPO management continues to point out. Hence the office management sees no need to sign any agreement under Article 20(2) EPO-PPI. | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | Article 15 of the EPO-PPI could apply, as the representatives are experts performing tasks for the organisation (representing the applicants, in many cases the applicants even need compulsory representation, they are part of the adminsitration of justice). This might need a decision by the Administrative Council (Article 17 EPO-PPI) (I don’t know if such a decision already exists, the list of names exists anyway). | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | Maybe CIPA should lobby for such a “quick fix” for the Brexshit desaster. | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | It wouldn’t require a doubtful, flexible interpretation of a fixed Convention. | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | Max Drei and Attentive Observer, my comment was half-joking half-serious. As noted by Attentive Observer the single-examiner division has been a fact for a long time, as professionals are well aware. The generalization of home working and VICO meetings, shown to allow continuation of day-to-day work during Covid, would bring arguments toward a revision of the EPC, assuming the three-member division cannot be made optional even by a “ | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | dynamic interpretation” of Article 18. And this format is unique to the EPO. | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | That being said, NTIC technologies have already revolutionized the patent profession toward commoditizing many components of patent work in order to cut costs and speed up procedures. See e.g. an interesting presentation at FICPI 2019 Australia (https://ficpi.org.au/members-only/articles/How%20Will%20We%20Survive%20-%20Mutant%20Ninja%20IP%20Attorneys.pdf). This trend is bound to broaden and increase. | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | A relevant factor in my view is the potential value of an application as perceived by the players and the strategic/commercial stakes involved. For some applicants, it is of prime importance to build patent arsenals and quantity tends to prevail over quality, with exceptions when stakes are high. In such cases, costs are significant and reforms allowing cost reduction will be welcome. On the other hand, oppositions and appeals imply | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | high stakes, and cost-cutting is no longer the name of the game. The parties and the offices or courts find it justified to devote adequate resources for quality proceedings, including three-judge panels and face-to-face oral proceedings. | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | In national court systems, you can have this divide. Small-stake cases are handled by single judges and proceedings are simplified, while high-stakes are handled by three-member panels. | Dec 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 15 02:05 |
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schestowitz | Re: Do you know anything about this: "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender" | Dec 15 02:49 |
schestowitz | > Where can I get in touch with figos? | Dec 15 02:49 |
schestowitz | Very weird. I will look into it. | Dec 15 02:49 |
schestowitz | MinceR: | Dec 15 02:53 |
schestowitz | > Maybe I've imagined things, but I was under the impression that the | Dec 15 02:53 |
schestowitz | > "real" Mincer didn't waste time twisting everything into bullshit | Dec 15 02:53 |
schestowitz | > non-sequiturs. | Dec 15 02:53 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 15 02:53 |
schestowitz | >> lactose intolerance doesn't turn lactose into a drug | Dec 15 02:53 |
MinceR | lol | Dec 15 02:53 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 15 02:53 |
schestowitz | > Right, because that was my argument. Look, both you guys can be idiots | Dec 15 02:53 |
schestowitz | > if you want to be. I've definitely tried to make a point here, obviously | Dec 15 02:53 |
schestowitz | > nobody is interested in one. But the responses are ignorant. Authority | Dec 15 02:53 |
schestowitz | > and logic (albeit with superficial data and questionable motive) are on | Dec 15 02:53 |
schestowitz | > your sides, if that's good enough for you then be my guest. And if | Dec 15 02:53 |
schestowitz | > you're actually wrong, who gives a fuck? | Dec 15 02:53 |
schestowitz | (I did not even express an opinion on it!) | Dec 15 02:53 |
MinceR | sounded like way overstating the point to me | Dec 15 02:54 |
schestowitz | > Again-- personal *first-hand*, repeated experience... but if by now that | Dec 15 02:54 |
schestowitz | > counts for *nothing at all* but a bunch of sarcastic half-wittery, then | Dec 15 02:54 |
schestowitz | > really why the hell do I even talk to either of you? | Dec 15 02:54 |
schestowitz | maybe temper | Dec 15 02:54 |
schestowitz | I didn't even express an opinion on this subject... at all | Dec 15 02:54 |
schestowitz | so surely a misunderstanding or something | Dec 15 02:54 |
schestowitz | Re: Hey don't worry about it | Dec 15 02:55 |
schestowitz | > I don't know a better way to make my point than to take this fork in the | Dec 15 02:55 |
schestowitz | > road. Nobody had to agree, I just didn't know that the response to | Dec 15 02:55 |
schestowitz | > first-hand experience was going to be so condescending. | Dec 15 02:55 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 15 02:55 |
schestowitz | > It's not a joke to me, just to you, so enjoy it. | Dec 15 02:55 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 15 02:55 |
schestowitz | > When years of fucking personal suffering aren't enough to get a | Dec 15 02:55 |
schestowitz | > datapoint considered against the backdrop of corporate lobbying, then I | Dec 15 02:55 |
schestowitz | > think things have gotten too elitist for my taste anyway. I'm of no use | Dec 15 02:55 |
schestowitz | > here, and you boys take care of yourselves. Don't bother telling me it's | Dec 15 02:55 |
schestowitz | > a misunderstanding, either-- only so many of those things actually are. | Dec 15 02:55 |
schestowitz | > Hmm. Ciao. | Dec 15 02:55 |
schestowitz | wow, regarding something I expressed no opinion on | Dec 15 02:55 |
MinceR | afaict most people don't suffer from it | Dec 15 02:59 |
MinceR | i'm pretty sure i don't | Dec 15 02:59 |
schestowitz | can't believe it annoyed him >that< much | Dec 15 03:01 |
schestowitz | I myself don't even have an opinion on it... | Dec 15 03:01 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AAnon974/status/1338522732955365377 | Dec 15 03:04 |
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@AAnon974: @DC_Draino And some would suggest that his wealth and success was earned through thievery rather than intelligence. https://t.co/z0WDGKoVh8 | Dec 15 03:04 | |
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2010/01/18/grooming-of-bill-gates/ ) | Dec 15 03:04 | |
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Techrights-sec | -> water, light exercise, nap | Dec 15 08:51 |
Techrights-sec | in that order | Dec 15 08:51 |
schestowitz | rering was on by default again, so I may have missed text before ">water" if there was any such text above buffer threshold | Dec 15 09:06 |
Techrights-sec | Yes, just a link to the mention of migraines | Dec 15 10:09 |
schestowitz | was the first video OK and also worked at your end? I did not check with more than 2 web browsers | Dec 15 10:34 |
Techrights-sec | I will check. | Dec 15 10:51 |
Techrights-sec | There are two scripts, one to TR one to kiwiirc.com, I'm not going to unblock either. | Dec 15 10:51 |
Techrights-sec | However, in chromium with the scripts blocked, there is no link to the video. | Dec 15 10:51 |
Techrights-sec | In Firefox, there is a link to the video even if the sripts are blocked. | Dec 15 10:51 |
Techrights-sec | So via FF, but not Chromium, I can save the Ogg file and open it in VLC> | Dec 15 10:51 |
Techrights-sec | Except there is an errror | Dec 15 10:51 |
Techrights-sec | Got it with wget. | Dec 15 10:51 |
Techrights-sec | Probably best to modify the post to have a plain text, as in works in lynx, link to the Ogg file | Dec 15 10:52 |
Techrights-sec | . | Dec 15 10:52 |
Techrights-sec | Currently it is embedded and that is proiblematic. | Dec 15 10:52 |
Techrights-sec | The wget + vlc combination works well. You might start the video with a title slide indicating | Dec 15 10:52 |
Techrights-sec | the topic and the date before moving to the photos. | Dec 15 10:52 |
Techrights-sec | That way people can realie that it is a slide show and not a movie. | Dec 15 10:52 |
Techrights-sec | ^realize | Dec 15 10:52 |
schestowitz | Thanks, I will make technical improvements. Those take a very short time to produce, uploading takes a lot longer but is hassle-free (waiting). | Dec 15 10:52 |
Techrights-sec | The video takes about 4 minutes to get into the flow. Many podcasts usually start talking with | Dec 15 10:55 |
Techrights-sec | their guests a few minutes while setting up for warm up before starting to record. | Dec 15 10:55 |
Techrights-sec | I'm not sure how that would go with a monologue. | Dec 15 10:55 |
Techrights-sec | But it might be possible. | Dec 15 10:55 |
schestowitz | I can practice, both on the talking side and technical side of things. My goal is to waste no time scripting of doing multiple takes, editing... | Dec 15 10:55 |
schestowitz | second video: http://techrights.org/2020/12/15/epo-lack-of-oversight/ | Dec 15 10:59 |
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Video: Quick Remarks About the Lack of Oversight at the European Patent Office | Techrights | Dec 15 10:59 | |
schestowitz | it seems to choke up the server, I see 8MB/sec or worse | Dec 15 11:06 |
Techrights-sec | Well, the video is 66MB | Dec 15 11:20 |
Techrights-sec | When you get to the end of the talking in the video, it would be useful to say a word or two wra | Dec 15 11:20 |
Techrights-sec | pping up rather than cutting to blank. | Dec 15 11:20 |
schestowitz | Will need to memorise those suggestions as it's totally unscripted. Maybe I'll do some about Free SW soon. | Dec 15 11:20 |
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