●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, August 21, 2026 ●● ● Aug 21 [02:08] schestowitz[TR2] getting disconnects in irc lately, is something going on? [02:08] schestowitz[TR2] not that i am aware of [02:42] *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:51] *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@xk49uzi5amp4u.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 21 [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] I keep hearing about Persistent. Is IBM actually selling the products to Persistent like we sold Lotus to HCL a few years back? Or just outsourcing the dev/support teams to Persistent (IBM employees get rebadged) but IBM still owns the SW? Does anyone know? [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] 3 hours ago by Anonymous [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] | 1 reaction (+1/-0) | Reply [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @am+1m0gb74cq [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] 0 [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] IBM is constantly selling off software and sometimes the people with it. [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] That isn't news in itself. [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] 4 hours ago by Anonymous [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] | 2 reactions (+1/-1) | Reply [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @ah+1m0gb74cq [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] 0 [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] @aa As long as there is no specific information disclosed, no worries. [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] 4 hours ago by Anonymous [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] | no reactions | Reply [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @ad+1m0gb74cq [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] +3 [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] @a8 Its a rumor. Of course if it IS removed, well then I guess we know its true. [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] 5 hours ago by Anonymous [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] | 3 reactions (+3/-0) | Reply [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @aa+1m0gb74cq [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] -5 [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] If that is IBM Confidential information not released to the public then I suspect this post will be deleted too. [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] 5 hours ago by Anonymous [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] | 5 reactions (+0/-5) | Reply [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @a8+1m0gb74cq [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] +5 [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] Yup- fire sale is starting up [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0gb74cq [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] There was a post on the r/IBM Reddit page this morning that has since been removed by the executive team's flying monkeys. The post discussed 17 products being sold by IBM to Persistent and didn't go into further detail as the person who posted it was worried about being outed. Has anyone else heard this rumor? [03:36] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:37] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 403 @ https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0gb74cq ) [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0ejt3qg [03:37] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 403 @ https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0ejt3qg ) [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] "they do and they are misusing pip as its stated by IBMs own documentation. Its a lawsuit waiting the happen a ticking time bo-b for them [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] 7 hours ago by Anonymous [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] | 3 reactions (+3/-0) | Reply [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @cz+1m0ejt3qg [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] +2 [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] Yes this is exactly what happened to me. One year I went from high performer to having every one on one cancelled the day of the meeting to then my manager not even bothering to reschedule at all. Sadly almost all the managers follow this mo now. [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] 8 hours ago by Anonymous [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] | 2 reactions (+2/-0) | Reply [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @cw+1m0ejt3qg [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] +3 [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] @bv [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] It might not be laziness, your manager might still have a sliver of conscience (very, very few managers have one) and he is feeling slightly guilty about what is bringing to you. [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] 11 hours ago by Anonymous [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] | 3 reactions (+3/-0) | Reply [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @c7+1m0ejt3qg [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] +4 [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] Start applying to other jobs immediately [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] 13 hours ago by Anonymous [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] | 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @bw+1m0ejt3qg [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] +4 [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] My manager is also avoiding 1:1. The main reason: he is lazy... [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] 13 hours ago by Anonymous [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] | 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @bv+1m0ejt3qg [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] +3 [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] Oh no [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] 15 hours ago by Anonymous [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] | 3 reactions (+3/-0) | Reply [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @bj+1m0ejt3qg [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] +6 [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] Bad sign [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] 21 hours ago by Anonymous [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] | 6 reactions (+6/-0) | Reply [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @ae+1m0ejt3qg [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] +5 [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] \ [03:37] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0fksf6m [03:40] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 403 @ https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0fksf6m ) [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0fksf6m [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] Would help us all if you can share your role or title or group etc. Sales. IT. Cloud. Support. Finance etc. Your only job now is to find a job outside IBM. You are cooked at IBM. They do not want you and are so cheap they will not give your severance and use the PIP as a way to force you out at the lowest cost. [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] 10 hours ago by Anonymous [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] | 7 reactions (+7/-0) | Reply [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @ap+1m0fksf6m [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] +6 [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] @OP, the evolution of IBM in recent years has been from International Business Machine to India business Machine. In Europe, we assumed the affinity between whites in Europe and whites in North America. [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] These assumptions are no longer valid, now, we have to deal with Indians. Indians have very little affinity to Europe whites. [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] Now, Indians are in control, the game is different. [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] 11 hours ago by Anonymous [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] | 8 reactions (+7/-1) | Reply [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @ad+1m0fksf6m [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] +3 [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] @a1 [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] "...so ready to leave" should definitely include your having a new job lined up, with a start date no further out than January 2027. [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] If they're getting all of their ducks in a row to ace you out by the end of November, then be sure to focus most of your current "work energy" on securing a new job for yourself between now and then. The timing could be good if they give you the boot at that point, because you could just kick back and enjoy a solid block of weeks leading up to and during the holidays, while knowing you have a new gig lined up for the new year. [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] But to be slacking now on the job hunt, and then scrambling during the holidays looking for work? And then still not having any income, starting off a new year with no job? Nah. Not good. [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] We're almost into September..."make hay while the sun shines." [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] 12 hours ago by Get ON it! [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] | 3 reactions (+3/-0) | Reply [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @a9+1m0fksf6m [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] +2 [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] What BU are you folks in? [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] 13 hours ago by Anonymous [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] | 2 reactions (+2/-0) | Reply [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @a5+1m0fksf6m [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] +8 [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] My PIP lasts until mid. November with objectives and results to be completed gradually during this period. Honestly - I am so ready to leave. [03:40] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:41] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0f3fqe0 [03:41] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 403 @ https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0f3fqe0 ) [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] Always PIP = IBM will take me out? Do they get you out after PIP immediately finishes? [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] 11 hours ago by Anonymous [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] | no reactions | Reply [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @ba+1m0f3fqe0 [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] +4 [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] A PIP is your warning to get another job, ASAP. [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] Expect to be shown the door. [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] PIPs are not designed to improve your performance so you can stay. [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] It's their way of telling you, "We want you out, and we're creating expectations which are purposefully vague, where we'll keep moving the goalposts to our advantage, while creating a papertrail to cover our a33es legally, so on paper it looks like you just couldn't cut it, so we had to cut you loose." [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] Do not fall for your manager's or HR's cr-p about how a PIP is just to "help you succeed." [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] It's the opposite: it's setting you up to fail. [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] Don't even expend much energy on trying to jump through hoops to meet PIP goals. It's a waste of time, a charade, and you won't win. Just get a new job as soon as you can. [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] 12 hours ago by Cold hard truth [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] | 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @b8+1m0f3fqe0 [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] +1 [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] Can be as little as one month or can drag on if you fight it well [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] 13 hours ago by Anonymous [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] | 3 reactions (+2/-1) | Reply [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @ay+1m0f3fqe0 [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] +3 [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] Same as US ... PIPs last until you're fired [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] 14 hours ago by Anonymous [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] | 5 reactions (+4/-1) | Reply [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @at+1m0f3fqe0 [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] +2 [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] I think it depends on the manager's decision. I am in Europe and my lasts 3 months. [03:42] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:45] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1kzxj9nds [03:45] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 403 @ https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1kzxj9nds ) [03:45] schestowitz[TR2] "Forbes isnt wrong when it comes to actual consulting, but the problem is IBM consulting contains way way way too much commodity body shop employees who dont consult, but rather do perform which should be outsourced. IBMs consulting management doesnt want to acknowledge this as the focus within IBM consulting is revenue preservation (even if it loses money) vs profit. Its way past time for IBM consulting to be [03:45] schestowitz[TR2] reorged around a profit objective. [03:45] schestowitz[TR2] 10 hours ago by Anonymous [03:45] schestowitz[TR2] | 1 reaction (+0/-1) | Reply [03:45] schestowitz[TR2] Post ID: @1a3+1kzxj9nds [03:45] schestowitz[TR2] +1 [03:45] schestowitz[TR2] But Forbes says we are the best! [03:45] schestowitz[TR2] https://lnkd.in/p/g7Qa28St [03:45] schestowitz[TR2] So WTF is going on? [03:45] schestowitz[TR2] " [03:46] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.linkedin.com | Forbes has once again recognized IBM Consulting as one of the Worlds Best Management Consulting Firms. For the fifth consecutive year, weve earned top rankings for our client work supporting AI | Mohamad Ali | 21 comments ● Aug 21 [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] "" [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.reddit.com/r/IBM_Employees/comments/1vt060s/pip/ [04:54] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Reddit [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] " [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] Is Utilization PIP any different from Performance PIP? [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] Or its all the same and i should start packing me bags? [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] US consulting. [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] " [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] " [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] OP, start networking and looking around for work. A lot of PIPs around the organization and they want people gone. [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] u/bengalboiler avatar [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] bengalboiler [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] 1d ago [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] Utilization PIP is 100% different. Get on a billable project and it will never be mentioned again. [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] JimRockford63 [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] 1d ago [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] Edited 1d ago [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] I survived one utilization PIP in 2013 when they fired a guy from IBM Canada on a US project because he was too expensive. I lasted a few more years to when they replaced me with an H1B from India as I got too expensive. [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] If you were on a utilization PIP, because of the fact that they don't have work for your skilset, it's just going to be a matter of time until they get you. [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] With IBM you're just playing this shell game. [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] Spirited_Rooster4811 [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] 1d ago [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] You should try to find a project ASAP [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] u/thebest1isme avatar [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] thebest1isme [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] 1d ago [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] Utilization PIPs are different. You are still allowed to find an opportunity internally. Currently though, there just aren't that many opportunities out there and they prefer to get contractors into the projects now. [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] Get certified, and also apply externally. You will only get 4 weeks of severance after the fact [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] u/FondantBeneficial344 avatar [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] FondantBeneficial344 [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] 1d ago [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] What is a utilization pip? [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] u/thebest1isme avatar [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] thebest1isme [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] 1d ago [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] Consulting. Basically, you are not charging your time to a client thus the name [04:54] schestowitz[TR2] " ● Aug 21 [05:52] *parsifal (~parsifal@rpcdzuq4hszjw.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Aug 21 [06:15] *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Aug 21 [08:50] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techbytes ● Aug 21 [09:20] schestowitz[TR2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2026-08/msg00006.html [09:20] schestowitz[TR2] " [09:20] schestowitz[TR2] The Open Source Initiative does have a registered trademark (serial 86191623), and theyve already issued disclaimers specifically for the Open Source portion of the mark. [09:20] schestowitz[TR2] Reference: [09:20] schestowitz[TR2] Open Source Initiative - Trademark search: [09:20] schestowitz[TR2] https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results/86191623 [09:20] schestowitz[TR2] This means parties using similar phrasing, like Open Source in their branding, cant just use it freely without considering whether its substantially similar to their protected service marks. Its a valid legal basis for them to enforce their trademark rights, which they should absolutely do against fraudulent companies misappropriating the term for commercial gain, such as Meta. 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[16:11] schestowitz[TR2] Airlines play a lot of games to avoid paying to fix or maintain aircraft until [16:11] schestowitz[TR2] required by law. Even then they play games to not just minimize the cost [16:11] schestowitz[TR2] but to put the burden on competitors when possible. i.e. have a plane on the [16:11] schestowitz[TR2] way to fail, fail its test at a competitor's hub. [16:11] schestowitz[TR2] I've had some scary conversations with commercial pilots and mechanics in [16:11] schestowitz[TR2] the past. [16:11] schestowitz[TR2] checking IRC text now [16:11] schestowitz[TR2] " ● Aug 21 [17:33] schestowitz[TR2] i get messages like this every so often ... (12:24:00 PM) The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will automatically rejoin the chat when the account reconnects. [17:33] schestowitz[TR2] odd [17:33] schestowitz[TR2] let me ask [17:33] schestowitz[TR2] [17:33] schestowitz[TR2] * Loaded log from Fri Aug 21 03:55:13 2026 [17:33] schestowitz[TR2] [17:33] schestowitz[TR2] ok [17:33] schestowitz[TR2] he reported something similar ish ● Aug 21 [19:13] *parsifal has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:47] schestowitz[TR2] ok [19:47] schestowitz[TR2] who did? [19:47] schestowitz[TR2] psydroid [19:47] schestowitz[TR2] ok ● Aug 21 [22:06] *fantom has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [22:24] *fantom (~fantom@freenode-crc.udo.r9g5d1.IP) has joined #techbytes