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● May 22
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● May 22
[08:08]	schestowitz	[Thursday, 20 May 2021] [23:58:50 BST]<schestowitz__> xxxxx
[08:08]	schestowitz	[Thursday, 20 May 2021] [23:59:11 BST]<REDACTED xxxxx (22:57:47) rasengan: xxxx plz dont share the url but u can share the image if u want
[08:08]	schestowitz	[Thursday, 20 May 2021] [23:59:16 BST]<REDACTED xxxxx He wrote this to me.
[08:08]	schestowitz	[Thursday, 20 May 2021] [23:59:36 BST]<REDACTED xxxxx So what ye did is instantly shared it %).
[08:08]	schestowitz	[Thursday, 20 May 2021] [23:59:54 BST]<schestowitz__> yes, I know
[08:08]	schestowitz	[19:16] <REDACTED xxxxx (21:12:59) f00: if he was a smart guy, he would joined the staff on a day to day administration, earned their trust, become a part of the team
[08:08]	schestowitz	[19:16] <REDACTED xxxxx (21:13:08) f00: that's not what he's done tho, is it?
[08:08]	schestowitz	[19:16] <REDACTED xxxxx (21:13:23) f00: cant buy friends
[08:08]	schestowitz	[19:17] <REDACTED xxxxx I'm pretty sure Andrew misunderstood the situation, overreacted, acted rushly, screwed up and then barely understood what even happened.
[08:08]	schestowitz	[19:17] <REDACTED xxxxx I don't think he's a bad guy, but Freenode is not in good hands.
[08:08]	schestowitz	[19:18] <schestowitz__> well, many admins quit
[08:08]	schestowitz	[19:18] <schestowitz__> so obviously hands are lacking
[08:08]	schestowitz	[19:19] <schestowitz__> but we need to overcome this
[08:08]	schestowitz	[19:19] <REDACTED xxxxx With good reason.
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:19] <schestowitz__> this could end up better
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:19] <schestowitz__> I mean
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:19] <schestowitz__> to clarift:
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:19] <schestowitz__> the whole situation could end up not like this
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:19] <REDACTED xxxxx There's always room for hope, but if ye believe in that a good foundation matters, then ye'd agree that the odds are not in that favour.
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:20] <schestowitz__> I made an ambiguous statement above
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:20] <schestowitz__> what I mean is, we could not avoid a rift and split
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:20] <schestowitz__> but we can work towards a good outcome for 50,000  channels on this netwyork
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:21] <schestowitz__> the key is user retention
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:21] <schestowitz__> without the user the value sinks
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:21] <schestowitz__> (not monetary)
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:21] <REDACTED xxxxx I do wonder if Libera Chat is already bigger than Freenode or not.
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:22] <schestowitz__> haha, no way!
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:22] <schestowitz__> I see  blogs in RSS all the tme
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:22] <schestowitz__> barely anyone moved fully
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:22] <schestowitz__> those who did are loud about it
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:22] <REDACTED xxxxx That makes sense, but a tendency is there.
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:23] <schestowitz__> I support the other network's existence
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:23] <schestowitz__> upside right now us,
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:23] <schestowitz__> the media mentions IRC
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:23] <schestowitz__> it never does otherwise
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:23] <schestowitz__> so many we can attract people away from copycats like slack
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:23] <REDACTED xxxxx My point is that if Andrew can't prove his legitimacy (I don't think he can), then the movers to Libera Chat will cement on it.
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:24] <REDACTED xxxxx and Freenode will continue losing channels
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:24] <schestowitz__> by default, they are here
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:24] <REDACTED xxxxx until they aren't
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:24] <schestowitz__> and when the noise calms down so will the channels and projects
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:26] <REDACTED xxxxx Ye knew as well as I that the exodus slowed down because many channels (like Gentoo's) reasonably have decided to first figure out what the heck is even going on, and when they do
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:26] <REDACTED xxxxx take it as a prediction :)
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:28] <REDACTED xxxxx And that's assuming Freenode continues to run smoothly with the new staff.
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:51] <schestowitz__> yes
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:51] <schestowitz__> I know
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:52] <schestowitz__> hence I threw many articles about patents under the bus for now
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:52] <schestowitz__> time is of the essence
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:52] <schestowitz__> to get the facts RIGHT
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:52] <schestowitz__> at least the facts
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:52] <schestowitz__> no matter whose side is "benign"
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:52] <schestowitz__> notice how they lined up all the resignation letters
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:52] <schestowitz__> for max effect
[08:09]	schestowitz	[19:52] <schestowitz__> I leaked one last week
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:52] <schestowitz__> to disrupt that plan
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:53] <REDACTED xxxxx > I leaked one last week
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:53] <REDACTED xxxxx oh, that actually happened?
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:53] <schestowitz__> yes, wait
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:54] <REDACTED xxxxx > notice how they lined up all the resignation letters for max effect
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:54] <REDACTED xxxxx Apparently they prepared resignation letters for an emergency
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:54] <REDACTED xxxxx and an emergency didn't wait
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:54] <schestowitz__> http://techrights.org/2021/05/13/private-internet-access-and-freenode/
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:54] <schestowitz__> he later emailed me
[08:10]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Andrew Lee of Private Internet Access/London Trust Media Increasingly Owns and Controls Freenode (Updatedx2) | Techrights
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:54] <schestowitz__> fuchs
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:56] <REDACTED xxxxx I bet he was very angry
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:57] <schestowitz__> not very
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:57] <schestowitz__> surprised
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:57] <REDACTED xxxxx How did ye even find it?
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:58] <schestowitz__> does not matter
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:58] <REDACTED xxxxx I read a lot of speculation on the letter draught being leaked
[08:10]	schestowitz	[19:58] <REDACTED xxxxx I think they say now that it was leaked through search engines
[08:10]	schestowitz	[11:30] <xxxxxxxxxxxx> Seems like this one is also a case of anti-Lee stuff being suspicious: xxxxxxxxxxx
[08:10]	schestowitz	[11:30] <schestowitz__> I saw it
[08:10]	schestowitz	[11:30] <schestowitz__> I read it at this very moment in fact
[08:10]	schestowitz	[11:31] <xxxxxxxxxxxx> Although a bribe attempt is mentioned, the crux seems to be "he loves IRC too much"
[08:10]	schestowitz	[11:31] <schestowitz__> my video will be done uploading in 1-2 hours
[08:10]	schestowitz	[11:31] <xxxxxxxxxxxx> ok
[08:10]	schestowitz	[11:32] <schestowitz__> I spoke to Lee
[08:10]	schestowitz	[11:32] <schestowitz__> he's not your average spoiled brat
[08:10]	schestowitz	[11:32] <schestowitz__> "Russian oligarch"
[08:10]	schestowitz	[11:32] <schestowitz__> "Korean crown prince"
[08:10]	schestowitz	[11:33] <xxxxxxxxxxxx> Isn't the latter something real and the former not?
[08:10]	schestowitz	[11:34] <xxxxxxxxxxxx> i.e., I've seen mentions of Korean princedom, but not "Russian oligarch", wtf
[08:10]	schestowitz	[11:41] <schestowitz__> diminutive
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● May 22
[23:28]	schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/guest-post-trips-waiver-debate-why-and.html?showComment=1621553608273#c7329597759113224509
[23:28]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [Guest post] The TRIPS Waiver Debate: Why, and where to from here? - The IPKat
[23:28]	schestowitz	"One of the most sensible and nuanced discussions of the waiver I have read. The division of doctrinal and normative justifications is especially illuminating. Personally I think the optics of opposing any kind of waiver is determinative, irrespective of whether the waiver is capable of achieving it's aims. In fact opposing a waiver may ultimately lead to the watering down of TRIPs. Though I do worry about the chilling effect on
[23:28]	schestowitz	incentive for creating vaccines in future pandemics. Emeritus Professor Michael D Pendleton"
[23:29]	schestowitz	"The article analyses the very 'technical issues' around a waiver and what it could achieve. But no context is given for what is happening. The WTO is all about creating a system for disputes to be sorted out, but the question which is not asked is why the developing world does not 'dare' to make use of provisions in the Doha declaration for limiting patent rights for public health reasons? The fact is that there are consequences for
[23:29]	schestowitz	less powerful nations if they take advantage of existing 'legal' agreed provisions to limit patent rights. The US is now discussing a waiver, and it is clear that the US is essentially the 'decider' of whether a waiver is needed, though the impact is most severe in the developing world. "