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[01:12]	schestowitz	http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/01/19/upc-provisional-application-period-enters-into-force/#comments
[01:12]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | UPC - Provisional Application Period enters into force - Kluwer Patent Blog
[01:12]	schestowitz	"
[01:12]	schestowitz	10 comments
[01:12]	schestowitz	Andre Frans
[01:12]	schestowitz	JANUARY 19, 2022 AT 4:15 PM
[01:12]	schestowitz	How to declare a treaty into force when the condition to declare it into force have not been met.
[01:13]	schestowitz	So no more signing ceremony to overcome Brexit?
[01:13]	schestowitz	BTW its not the European Commission website, but the Council website.
[01:13]	schestowitz	Thorsten Bausch
[01:13]	schestowitz	JANUARY 19, 2022 AT 4:31 PM
[01:13]	schestowitz	Thank you for spotting the error in the origin of the website. I have corrected the post.
[01:13]	schestowitz	Otherwise, the treaty has obviously not yet been declared into force, but the Preparatory Committee will work towards making this possible within a year (or even 8 months, in the most optimistic scenario) and Germany has already concluded its internal preparations to ratify as soon as the Preparatory Committee is ready.
[01:13]	schestowitz	Concerned observer
[01:13]	schestowitz	JANUARY 19, 2022 AT 5:18 PM
[01:13]	schestowitz	Thorsten, I think that the Treaty to which Andre refers is the PAP which allegedly HAS entered into force.
[01:13]	schestowitz	I too had expected a signing ceremony for a Declaration on the authentic interpretation of Art. 3 of the PAP-Protocol, which was supposed to take place in the margins of a future COREPER meeting.
[01:13]	schestowitz	Perhaps a signing ceremony will still happen, though there is no mention of such in connection with this weeks COREPER meeting (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/meetings/mpo/2022/1/coreper-1-(313748)/). However, even if one accepts the rather dubious premise that the crystal-clear wording of Art. 3 of the PAP-Protocol can be given an alternative meaning, it is far from clear whether it is permissible to rely upon a purported authentic 
[01:13]	schestowitz	interpretation that has not yet been formally approved by the Participating Member States.
[01:13]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.consilium.europa.eu | Meeting calendar - Consilium
[01:13]	schestowitz	We shall have to wait and see what the Member States agree regarding reallocation of the duties of the London branch of the central division. I very much hope that it is more legally defensible than what has happened with the PPI and PAP.
[01:13]	schestowitz	Extraneous Attorney
[01:13]	schestowitz	JANUARY 19, 2022 AT 6:11 PM
[01:13]	schestowitz	It is still not crystal-clear to me how the conditions for entry into force of the Protocol on provisional application can have been met, since the United Kingdom has withdrawn its consent to be bound by that Protocol.
[01:13]	schestowitz	Perhaps the Preparatory Committee will helpfully explain how that can be.
[01:13]	schestowitz	Andre Frans
[01:13]	schestowitz	JANUARY 20, 2022 AT 10:49 AM
[01:13]	schestowitz	Perhaps the Preparatory Committee will helpfully explain how that can be.
[01:13]	schestowitz	Nope, they wont be of any help.
[01:13]	schestowitz	Maybe a question to the CJEU would help?
[01:13]	schestowitz	Concerned observer
[01:13]	schestowitz	JANUARY 20, 2022 AT 11:52 AM
[01:13]	schestowitz	I am a little confused about the legal basis for transitional measures introduced by the President of the EPO.
[01:13]	schestowitz	For example, the Decision dated 22 December 2021 (https://www.epo.org/law-practice/legal-texts/official-journal/president-notices/archive/20220119.html) cites Article 10(2)(a) EPC as legal basis. However, that provision only provides the President with the power to take necessary steps to ensure the functioning of the European Patent Office.
[01:13]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.epo.org | EPO - Decision of the President of the European Patent Office dated 22 December 2021 concerning the forthcoming introduction of the Unitary Patent and the possibility of requesting a delay in issuing the decision to grant a European patent in response to a communication under Rule 71(3) EPC
[01:13]	schestowitz	Whilst it will no doubt prove useful for increasing opportunities to file requests for unitary effect, I think that it would be hard to argue that the ability to request a delay to the issuance of a decision to grant is a step that is necessary to ensure the functioning of the EPO. The possibility of delaying the issuance of a decision to grant also arguably conflicts with the mandatory language used in Article 97 (the Examining Division 
[01:13]	schestowitz	SHALL decide to grant a European patent ) and Rule 71a(1) (The decision to grant the European patent SHALL be issued if .
[01:13]	schestowitz	I would have thought that it would be more appropriate (and legally sound) for the possibility to request a delay to the issuance of the grant decision to be introduced by way of a decision of the AC, using its powers under Article 33(1)(c) EPC. Whilst this is perhaps a pedantic point, I am more than a little uncomfortable with the thought of the President assuming the power to significantly alter the grant procedure (relative to the procedure set 
[01:13]	schestowitz	out in the EPC and its Implementing Regulations).
[01:13]	schestowitz	A. Nonymous
[01:13]	schestowitz	JANUARY 21, 2022 AT 5:33 PM
[01:13]	schestowitz	These measures have been presented to the Member States, and only one (non-participating) commented negatively. It may not have been a decision, but in fact, these measures have little impact: they apply only after Germany has deposited its instrument of ratification of the UPCA, i.e. some 12 to 16 weeks before entry into force, whilst those decisions to grant issued in the last five weeks do not need to be postponed because they will anyway be 
[01:13]	schestowitz	published when the UPCA will be in force.
[01:13]	schestowitz	Anyway, applicants know how to delay the decision to grant. These measures contribute to the functioning of the EPO, by minimising the waste of resources otherwise required to delay a decision to grant.
[01:13]	schestowitz	Concerned observer
[01:13]	schestowitz	JANUARY 21, 2022 AT 7:37 PM
[01:13]	schestowitz	So, in essence, your main argument is that nobody is going to complain about the new measures with the consequence that whether or not they have a sound legal basis is unlikely to make any practical difference (especially in view of the limited time during which the measures will be in force).
[01:13]	schestowitz	Whilst this may be true, you will have to forgive me if I still feel uncomfortable with the thought of the President adopting the approach of unilaterally assuming powers that are not (clearly) ascribed to him. There are simply far too many things that could go badly awry if this kind of approach becomes commonplace.
[01:13]	schestowitz	Also, whilst the measures may have been presented to the Member States, this only happened on 19 January, which is almost a month AFTER the date of the Presidents decision (and the date of the two Notices from the EPO). It therefore seems that the measures were presented to the Member States as a fait accompli. This hardly seems appropriate in the circumstances.
[01:14]	schestowitz	Moreover, why on earth did the President not consult on these matters much earlier, so that they could receive PRIOR approval from (the Select Committee of) the AC?
[01:14]	schestowitz	Finally, I am not persuaded that the mere fact that a measure might contribute to the functioning of the EPO means that it falls within the Presidents power to issue that measure. This is because the Presidents powers under Article 10(2)(a) EPC are limited to NECESSARY steps to ensure the functioning of the EPO. In other words, I do not believe that necessary steps to ensure can be afforded an interpretation as broad as steps 
[01:14]	schestowitz	contributing to.
[01:14]	schestowitz	Attentive Observer
[01:14]	schestowitz	JANUARY 21, 2022 AT 10:33 PM
[01:14]	schestowitz	That the UK can be replaced by IT when it comes to the PAP can be understood, but there is no indication that the famous declaration hinted at by Mr Ramsay has been signed at the Coreper.
[01:14]	schestowitz	One has thus to consider that the Commission jumped at the gun and decided something which could manifestly not be decided at this moment and thereby created a fait accompli.
[01:14]	schestowitz	One should not forget that the proponents of the UPC actually wanted the UPCA to enter into force as quickly as possible in order to exactly create a fait accompli. It was necessary to do so, otherwise all the flaws in the UPCA and the corresponding problems would have been apparent.
[01:14]	schestowitz	They just did it now with the PAP.
[01:14]	schestowitz	I know that some national judges are counting all the money they are loosing due to the delayed entry into force of the UPC. For them it will be irrelevant if they get a contract by an instance which has no legal standing. Money matters. Thats it.
[01:14]	schestowitz	It is clear that the President of the EPO, like its predecessor, is eager to see the start of the UPC.
[01:14]	schestowitz	For the time being, the decision of 22.11.2021 is relatively harmless as it is presently not of application, and will only be applicable during a relatively short period.
[01:14]	schestowitz	It however shows a mind setting which is problematic. Rather to bring social peace, reason for which he had been appointed, he is concerned about problems which are not important at all for the EPO.
[01:14]	schestowitz	He should rather take care of his staff and improve the working conditions. On the contrary he has worsened them.
[01:14]	schestowitz	It does not appear that there has been a decision setting aside the rules found illegal by the TA-OIT restricting the right of industrial action by the staff.
[01:14]	schestowitz	This is a disgrace, but since 2010 the tail is wagging the dog, he could not care less.
[01:14]	schestowitz	He continues his destructive efforts of the EPO so that in the end the patents would be granted more or less automatically, the BA just playing judges, but the UPC becoming the court in which the decisions of the EPO and its BA would be vetted.
[01:14]	schestowitz	This is how the EUIPO works. A bit of examination and opposition, a bit of appeal, and the rest is done in Luxembourg, so why bother too much in Alicante, sorry in Munich.
[01:14]	schestowitz	The problem is that the UPC is not the CJEU. It is not even sure that the UPC is a court having a legal standing in the EU. Its compatibility with the Union law has never been tested.
[01:14]	schestowitz	One wonders why? Fait accompli???
[01:14]	schestowitz	Attentive Observer
[01:14]	schestowitz	JANUARY 22, 2022 AT 5:39 PM
[01:14]	schestowitz	Whether the PAP has legally entered into force is not really clear. Mr Ramsay has announced a declaration to be signed at the COREPER, but no such ceremony has been announced. Would it have taken place, it is more than certain that the Preparatory Committee would have heralded it loud and clear.
[01:14]	schestowitz	Replacing UK by IT is in principle acceptable, provided that all the signatory states agree, or at least those having ratified up to now.
[01:14]	schestowitz	Amending in such a way Art 3 of the PAP is however not changing anything as far Art 7(2) UPCA is concerned. In the explanatory note for the second ratification a reference to Art 31 VCLT was made. But nothing has apparently happened.
[01:14]	schestowitz	Whilst an agreement on Art 3 PAP seems possible, it is more than doubtful that an agreement on Art 7(2) UPCA is possible. I cannot see IT and NL accepting that the duties originally allocated to London will provisionally be transferred to Paris and/or Munich. This is the more since Mr Ramsay, in his latest interview in JUVE, clearly mentioned the fact that in the end there could only be 2 sections in the central division. Should three sections 
[01:14]	schestowitz	remain, it is also not sure whether FR and DE would not prefer to keep the very interesting files in IPC classes A and C for themselves and shift less interesting technical domains to a third and why not even a fourth location.
[01:14]	schestowitz	The three locations were only chosen as none of the three contenders FR, GB and DE would not let loose and claimed the whole central division for themselves.
[01:14]	schestowitz	It is very surprising that the head of the EPO had to take shortly before the Christmas break a decision on something which will only be a temporary measure, and only once the opening date of the UPC will be known. And this in a few months at the earliest.
[01:14]	schestowitz	in spite of what A.Nonymous has said, it is difficult to understand in which way this measures contribute to the functioning of the EPO, and why they are able to minimise the waste of resources otherwise required to delay a decision to grant. It is not apparent how leaving a file resting for a short length of time would represent a real waste of resources.
[01:14]	schestowitz	I would have thought that there are more urgent tasks to perform at the EPO than to take such a decision. This is the more so since Art 10(2,a) EPC has a totally different finality as explained by other commenters. For example, the social situation is still problematic at the EPO.
[01:14]	schestowitz	We should also not forget that Art 10(2,a).was the Art referred to by the head of the EPO when introducing mandatory OP by ViCo in the first instance during the pandemic.
[01:14]	schestowitz	Whilst at a pinch such Art 10(2,a) can be considered applicable during the pandemic, it is doubtful that even a very extensive application of Art 31 and 32 VCLT would allow to make such a provisional measure a permanent feature of the procedure before the EPO.
[01:14]	schestowitz	The (too) frequent use of Art 10(2,a) is becoming suspect. But since the tail is wagging the dog, probably nothing much will happen.
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[09:11]	schestowitz	>> I'll be back to work 9:30pm instead of 5:30pm having covered for 4 extra
[09:12]	schestowitz	>> hours for the person who did not show up for their shift last night. I
[09:12]	schestowitz	>> need more sleep.
[09:12]	schestowitz	>
[09:12]	schestowitz	> Just for future reference, if this happens again, could you please check
[09:12]	schestowitz	> the shift rota and see who is supposed to be taking over and then call
[09:12]	schestowitz	> them if they are more than 15 minutes late. If there is no response
[09:12]	schestowitz	> after 30 minutes over your shift then please call either myself or Mark
[09:12]	schestowitz	> and we will find them for you.
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[12:28]	schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AnmolCh56896470/status/1485898649997836291
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[21:42]	schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896
[21:42]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/
[21:42]	schestowitz	"
[21:42]	schestowitz	Hello JoinDiaspora
[21:42]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab
[21:42]	schestowitz	there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services.
[21:42]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab
[21:42]	schestowitz	JD will also be shut down on 1 March.
[21:42]	schestowitz	This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service.
[21:42]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab
[21:42]	schestowitz	If you think you can handle the task please contact us via hq@feneas.org.
[21:42]	schestowitz	You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/association/-/raw/master/comms/dissolving-the-association-2022-01-09.txt
[21:42]	schestowitz	Federated Networks Association ry will be dissolved
[21:42]	schestowitz	Due to recent lack of activity within the association, issues maintaining the current services and lack of new committee members wanting to step up, the members of Federated Networks Association ry (Feneas) have decided to dissolve the association. The decision to do so was done as per the rules of the association in two Annual General Meetings held no more than 30 days apart. You can find the meeting logs via the below links:
[21:42]	schestowitz	    9th December 2021 - https://git.feneas.org/feneas/association/-/blob/master/meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt
[21:42]	schestowitz	    4th January 2022 - https://git.feneas.org/feneas/association/-/blob/master/meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt
[21:42]	schestowitz	What happens next?
[21:42]	schestowitz	    The current committee will start to send out service closure warnings to all users using the current services.
[21:42]	schestowitz	    The timeline of shutting down the services is as follows:
[21:42]	schestowitz	        Discourse (talk.feneas.org) will be shut down on or soon after the 1st of February (UTC morning time).
[21:42]	schestowitz	        Friendica (friendica.feneas.org) will be shut down on or soon after the 1st of February (UTC morning time).
[21:42]	schestowitz	        The following services will be shut down on or soon after the 1st of March (UTC morning time). This includes:
[21:42]	schestowitz	            Matrix (matrix.feneas.org), Element client (chat.feneas.org) and the various bots
[21:42]	schestowitz	            GitLab (git.feneas.org)
[21:42]	schestowitz	            Searx (searx.feneas.org)
[21:42]	schestowitz	            Etherpad (pad.feneas.org)
[21:42]	schestowitz	            Nextcloud (cloud.feneas.org)
[21:42]	schestowitz	    Before turning off the Matrix homeserver, all local users will be deactivated, parting them from all the rooms they have joined. This will start happening on the 1st of March (UTC morning), with the homeserver turned off a few days after the process ends.
[21:42]	schestowitz	    JoinDiaspora (joindiaspora.com) will inform soon separately about the situation for that service via the official podmin@joindiaspora.com account.
[21:42]	schestowitz	    WeDistribute (wedistribute.org) are Fediverse Party (fediverse.party) will be announced once the stakeholders for those services have been contacted fully. They are expected to re-own their service for their own hosting, but if that doesnt happen, the services will shut down on a date agreed with the stakeholders.
[21:42]	schestowitz	    All remaining data will be destroyed on or soon after the 1st of April. This will include backups. Some exemptions will be;
[21:42]	schestowitz	        membership details will be kept until necessary by law (date to be cleared)
[21:42]	schestowitz	        financial details will be kept until necessary by law (date to be cleared)
[21:42]	schestowitz	        the public repositories of the association on the GitLab instance will be mirrored on GitLab.com. These can be found from https://git.feneas.org/feneas
[21:42]	schestowitz	    The feneas.org domain will be handed over to standing committee vice-president Lukas Matt as agreed in the 4th January AGM. A static website will be hosted there to give details on what Feneas was and what happened to it.
[21:43]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab
[21:43]	schestowitz	        The Matrix homeserver server key will be securely stored should the homeserver ever need to come back online. All other homeserver data will be destroyed.
[21:43]	schestowitz	    Once all the services have been ramped down or moved over, and data destroyed, any accounts left over will be closed and the association will be terminated in the Finnish associations registry.
[21:43]	schestowitz	    As agreed in the 4th January AGM, if any funds remain in the Feneas bank account (possibly in the amount of tens of euros), they will be donated to Framasoft.
[21:43]	schestowitz	So long and thanks for federating
[21:43]	schestowitz	As the Feneas committee president and founding member, I want to thank all the members and users who trusted Feneas over the years. Its been a good and often fun 3,5 years of Feneas. While we managed to create a sometimes vibrant collection of services and attract people and projects from around the Fediverse, ultimately we failed to build a community that would last longer than the amount of time founding members could dedicate a good chunk of 
[21:43]	schestowitz	their life. For both the main founders (Lukas and me, Jason) real life and other priorities caught up with us, and thus its time to move forward. It was also clear from the discussions at the end that not enough active community members exist to keep the association afloat. Im personally happy we did this project, even though it had to reach its end.
[21:43]	schestowitz	Our chat rooms are still active over at Matrix (#feneas:feneas.org) and Libera (#feneas). If you have questions, for example about exporting your data, or just want to say hi, feel free to pop in. At least the main chatroom is going to stay alive after the association is finally taken off the official association registry, so youre welcome to say hi even afterwards.
[21:43]	schestowitz	If you have concerns or questions you can also reach out via email with generic questions to hq@feneas.org or privacy@feneas.org (for privacy queries). You can also reach me via a private message on Matrix at @jaywink:federator.dev.
[21:43]	schestowitz	All the best to everyone!
[21:43]	schestowitz	Best regards,
[21:43]	schestowitz	Jason Robinson
[21:43]	schestowitz	Founder and committee president
[21:43]	schestowitz	Federated Networks Association ry
[21:43]	schestowitz	#feneas #federatednetworksassociation #joindiaspora #news
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[21:43]	schestowitz	Ferdi Zebua Jason Robinson Chuck Dee 136.2 pc from home... Jakub Klawiter Trolli Schmittlauch linus Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account) redj2@diaspora.psyco.fr Pavithran S Passagier 451 dubbel mubbel p7@joindiaspora.com leshoshin@pod.dapor.net [phle] Nathan Weaver mm jesuiSatire bitPickup Le Gnral Midi Au Physsiaile Bosshammer 0mega [d*] phle@diasp.org p70@diasp.de Elodie V noam@socialhome.network Susan 
[21:43]	schestowitz	 kanis_latranz Filip H.F. "FiXato" Slagter Salinger 3 Ferdi Zebua (sunsetting account)
[21:43]	schestowitz	13
[21:43]	schestowitz	Poligraf Poligrafovich Bouboulov Peter Oram Gene Jakub Klawiter David Morley V Lain Ferdi Zebua (sunsetting account) Jakub Klawiter Ferdi Zebua John Sauchelli harry haller Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account)
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[21:43]	schestowitz	David Morley
[21:43]	schestowitz	David Morley - 16 days ago
[21:43]	schestowitz	Lots of other great diaspora servers out there https://diaspora.fediverse.observer/
[21:43]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-diaspora.fediverse.observer | Fediverse Observer
[21:43]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account)
[21:43]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account) - 16 days ago
[21:43]	schestowitz	@podmin@joindiaspora.com Which of the FENEAS services have any appreciable user content?
[21:43]	schestowitz	I know that JoinDiaspora does.
[21:43]	schestowitz	Im presuming that the Friendica instance may.
[21:43]	schestowitz	Any others?
[21:43]	schestowitz	Im reaching out to ArchiveTeam in the event theres an interest in archival.
[21:43]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account)
[21:43]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account) - 16 days ago
[21:43]	schestowitz	Reddit thread for ArchiveTeam:
[21:43]	schestowitz	https://old.reddit.com/r/Archiveteam/comments/s05wk0/federated_networks_association_ry_dissolving/
[21:43]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-old.reddit.com | Federated Networks Association ry dissolving, Joindaispora.com and friendica.feneas.org shutting down : Archiveteam
[21:43]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account)
[21:43]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account) - 16 days ago
[21:43]	schestowitz	HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29868837
[21:43]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Federated Networks Association ry will be dissolved | Hacker News
[21:43]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account)
[21:43]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account) - 16 days ago
[21:43]	schestowitz	Ping @Ferdi Zebua and @Glyn Moody
[21:44]	schestowitz	STORMZ OV KREATION 
[21:44]	schestowitz	STORMZ OV KREATION - 16 days ago
[21:44]	schestowitz	What about diaspora social? Sorry to hear all this man
[21:44]	schestowitz	V 
[21:44]	schestowitz	V - 16 days ago
[21:44]	schestowitz	Switch pods to prevail! Do not give up! Maybe one day one of them will secure a million dollar donation!
[21:44]	schestowitz	**joe
[21:44]	schestowitz	**joe - 16 days ago
[21:44]	schestowitz	Theres so many people on joindiaspora! Somebody needs to take it over the way you took it over from the original 4 developers.
[21:44]	schestowitz	Fla
[21:44]	schestowitz	Fla - 16 days ago
[21:44]	schestowitz	Hello @Federated Networks Association, thank you for maintaining these services for all this years my friend. Maybe we can discuss the future of joindiaspora.com? Im sure there are things I / the other core members can do ;)
[21:44]	schestowitz	Konrad
[21:44]	schestowitz	Konrad - 15 days ago
[21:44]	schestowitz	Menno.
[21:44]	schestowitz	Im not so busy here but one of the earlies ;-) It will be sad to stop this here. For now i will look forward and see the options in the sky Thanks for the work in all that days - and nights!
[21:44]	schestowitz	0mega [d*]
[21:44]	schestowitz	0mega [d*] - 15 days ago
[21:44]	schestowitz	Such a shame
[21:44]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius
[21:44]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius - 15 days ago
[21:44]	schestowitz	Given that this discussion is on a server that will be disappearing as of 1 March 2022, planning and organising should occurr elsewhere.
[21:44]	schestowitz	Ive initiated one such thread on Diaspora* here
[21:44]	schestowitz	full URL:
[21:44]	schestowitz	https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/ef340f905469013a0101448a5b29e257
[21:44]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-diaspora.glasswings.com | Joindiaspora Migration / Exodus Planning / Discussion Thread
[21:44]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account)
[21:44]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account) - 15 days ago
[21:44]	schestowitz	Lukas: thanks for all your efforts over the years, BTW.
[21:44]	schestowitz	mm jesuiSatire bitPickup
[21:44]	schestowitz	mm jesuiSatire bitPickup - 15 days ago
[21:44]	schestowitz	#bookmark
[21:44]	schestowitz	Pavithran S
[21:44]	schestowitz	Pavithran S - 12 days ago
[21:44]	schestowitz	Wow I didnt know about this, will this pod stay or will it die soon? If I remember correctly the migration is not fully functional? Anyways this is such an old pod. :(
[21:44]	schestowitz	Wow @zauberstuhl has given this pod for feneas which is dying, so sad to see such an old pod with such a huge user content going down. @Fla How much of content will save/get deleted when we migrate our account to other instance?
[21:44]	schestowitz	Michael Vogel
[21:44]	schestowitz	Michael Vogel - 12 days ago
[21:44]	schestowitz	@Pavithran S When there are people who want to take over, then the pod will continue. When there are no people who want to do the work and want to pay for the server then the server will be discontinued.
[21:44]	schestowitz	Pavithran S
[21:44]	schestowitz	Pavithran S - 12 days ago
[21:45]	schestowitz	Thats sad, why not keep an announcement on the left where it says its maintained by feneas to going to shutdown.
[21:45]	schestowitz	harry haller ( )
[21:45]	schestowitz	harry haller ( ) - 11 days ago
[21:45]	schestowitz	@podmin@joindiaspora.com, can you upload ALL the files from the pod to archive.org, please?
[21:45]	schestowitz	They should be tar/zipped, but not in one huge archive, as thats impractibable for up and downoading - archive.org isnt fast and it has lots of users.
[21:45]	schestowitz	If ALL the file files are up on archive.org, that takes off the time pressure and we can work out how to rescue stuff from the uploaded files.
[21:45]	schestowitz	Joindiaspora.com was the first pod and thus is of historical value to everyone on the net interested in internet history, quite apart from those of us who have been posting on joindiaspora since the early days.
[21:45]	schestowitz	Benjamin Neff 
[21:45]	schestowitz	Benjamin Neff - 11 days ago
[21:45]	schestowitz	@harry haller ( ) @podmin@joindiaspora.com
[21:45]	schestowitz	DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT upload all data from joindiaspora to any public place there is private data in there to which not everybody should have access, and not only would that leak private data, it would even give EVERYBODY access to ALL ACCOUNTS on JD so uploading everything to a public place is a VERY BAD idea.
[21:45]	schestowitz	If you want, you can make backups from the public posts you can see yourself as many as you want and if you want you can download your own data and make with it what you want and you dont need Lukas for that. But dont do anything with the private data of others.
[21:45]	schestowitz	harry haller ( )
[21:45]	schestowitz	harry haller ( ) - 11 days ago
[21:45]	schestowitz	Well thats that then.
[21:45]	schestowitz	Everything lost.
[21:45]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius
[21:45]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius - 11 days ago
[21:45]	schestowitz	As a very rough estimate:
[21:45]	schestowitz	My own 2,728 posts were ~18 MB total storage as an exported GZipped JSON archive.
[21:45]	schestowitz	All 2,960,590 posts on JoindiasporaCom will likely be ~20 GB of textual content.
[21:45]	schestowitz	This excludes images.
[21:45]	schestowitz	Benjamin Neff 
[21:45]	schestowitz	Benjamin Neff - 11 days ago
[21:45]	schestowitz	@harry haller ( ) Everybody can make backups of their own data (you included), so its not lost but you cant publish other peoples private data and give everybody control over other peoples accounts.
[21:45]	schestowitz	And if you want to backup some public posts you can take snapshots of the data that is publicly visible too.
[21:45]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius
[21:45]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius - 11 days ago
[21:45]	schestowitz	Also, agreed that private data should not be uploaded or archived.
[21:45]	schestowitz	A transfer to a successor operator of JoindiasporaCom under the same terms as originally posted should be acceptable.
[21:45]	schestowitz	An archive of public content should be acceptable.
[21:45]	schestowitz	Theres an argument that can be made for deletion of all private / non-public data. Thats something that should be worked out for other pods as well. This situation will likely occur again.
[21:45]	schestowitz	Mulkurul
[21:45]	schestowitz	Mulkurul - 9 days ago
[21:45]	schestowitz	Heads up @James ....
[21:45]	schestowitz	James ....
[21:45]	schestowitz	James .... - 9 days ago
[21:45]	schestowitz	 @Mulkurul
[21:45]	schestowitz	Pavithran S
[21:45]	schestowitz	Pavithran S - 7 days ago
[21:46]	schestowitz	Dear @podmin@joindiaspora.com I am unable to export profile. It says wait for some time but is never exported. I got my pictures though.
[21:46]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius
[21:46]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius - 7 days ago
[21:46]	schestowitz	@podmin@joindiaspora.com Any update on status of transferring JoindiasporaCom to another operator?
[21:46]	schestowitz	Jakub Klawiter
[21:46]	schestowitz	Jakub Klawiter - 6 days ago
[21:46]	schestowitz	Does anyone know how far we are from working import backup feature? Maybe it is close to finish and it is possible to wait few months more?
[21:46]	schestowitz	Just asking
[21:46]	schestowitz	Poligraf Poligrafovich Bouboulov
[21:46]	schestowitz	Poligraf Poligrafovich Bouboulov - 6 days ago
[21:46]	schestowitz	Men, sorry to hear this Does anyone have good ideas and why not some advice on how to switch on another good pod for beginners ? That would be cool.
[21:46]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius
[21:46]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius - 6 days ago
[21:46]	schestowitz	@Jakub Klawiter The back-end is built, the front-end is not. Discussed at my Migration Issues post linked above, and again, here
[21:46]	schestowitz	https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/ef340f905469013a0101448a5b29e257
[21:46]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-diaspora.glasswings.com | Joindiaspora Migration / Exodus Planning / Discussion Thread
[21:46]	schestowitz	Again a reminder that THIS THREAD HERE will cease to be active or interactive after JoindiasporaCom shuts down.
[21:46]	schestowitz	Mulkurul
[21:46]	schestowitz	Mulkurul - 6 days ago
[21:46]	schestowitz	Why is there no comment box available to me on that glasswings post ?
[21:46]	schestowitz	0mega [d*]
[21:46]	schestowitz	0mega [d*] - 6 days ago
[21:46]	schestowitz	@Mulkurul Try this link
[21:46]	schestowitz	**joe
[21:46]	schestowitz	**joe - 6 days ago
[21:46]	schestowitz	Because your account is on diasp.eu, not glasswings,Mulkurul. Try this:
[21:46]	schestowitz	https://diasp.eu/posts/ef340f905469013a0101448a5b29e257
[21:46]	schestowitz	Mulkurul
[21:46]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-diasp.eu | Joindiaspora Migration / Exodus Planning / Discussion Thread
[21:46]	schestowitz	Mulkurul - 6 days ago
[21:46]	schestowitz	Thx. O & Joe
[21:46]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius
[21:46]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius - 6 days ago
[21:46]	schestowitz	@Mulkurul The here text should be a sharable link.
[21:46]	schestowitz	I like to expose the full URL for posts for those who arent on Diaspora* instances (Diaspora*-style links and references dont work for them), and in the event the post is printed out or otherwise has hyperlinks rendered unusable.
[21:46]	schestowitz	Jakub Klawiter
[21:46]	schestowitz	Jakub Klawiter - 6 days ago
[21:46]	schestowitz	Many ppl are turning off email notification, they are not here right now. Is it possible to send them one time email with link to this post and short instruction how to export their profiles? @podmin@joindiaspora.com?
[21:46]	schestowitz	Mulkurul
[21:46]	schestowitz	Mulkurul - 5 days ago
[21:46]	schestowitz	Okay thanks Doc.
[21:46]	schestowitz	Pavithran S
[21:46]	schestowitz	Pavithran S - 5 days ago
[21:47]	schestowitz	Can we use the API to dump our profile content to a tar zipped file @Fla should have an idea about it.
[21:47]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account)
[21:47]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius (defunct account) - 5 days ago
[21:47]	schestowitz	@Pavithran S The profile export tools will do this for you and are far simpler for most people.
[21:47]	schestowitz	mm jesuiSatire bitPickup
[21:47]	schestowitz	mm jesuiSatire bitPickup - 5 days ago
[21:47]	schestowitz	first of all:
[21:47]	schestowitz	looks like we need to lift the spirit a littel bit 
[21:47]	schestowitz	JD is going down!
[21:47]	schestowitz	mm jesuiSatire bitPickup
[21:47]	schestowitz	mm jesuiSatire bitPickup - 5 days ago
[21:47]	schestowitz	question:
[21:47]	schestowitz	What would be the cost to simply place the site on a server per year?
[21:47]	schestowitz	(without updating, moderaing or perhaps even giving further access to the existing users)
[21:47]	schestowitz	Dr_Steve
[21:47]	schestowitz	Dr_Steve - 2 days ago
[21:47]	schestowitz	I presume it is more involved than I am able to simply spin up a digital ocean droplet and install the diaspora code base and then to federate it with other droplets. But once there is a codebase that is simple and easy to deploy that can be used in that way, then well have individual freedom and control to socially network with one another using one application. I just have a simple website hosted, of course most of my IRL contacts will just 
[21:47]	schestowitz	remain on all of the spyware sites.
[21:47]	schestowitz	Dr_Steve
[21:47]	schestowitz	Dr_Steve - 2 days ago
[21:47]	schestowitz	Also one of the original coder writers for diaspora had envisioned decentralized encryption for all of the data and users. It never was implemented prior to their death however and nothing has been done to make that part of the whole set-up. Now people will join other social media platforms run by other smaller entities to avoid censorship to a greater extent. We need great code writers for privacy and individual liberty to create something that is 
[21:47]	schestowitz	simple to deploy on individual servers, that can network with other individuals using GPG. I dont have the knowledge and skill-set to create such a thing, nor the time.
[21:47]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius
[21:47]	schestowitz	Doc Edward Morbius - 2 days ago
[21:47]	schestowitz	Id like to note that weve seen no further communication from the JoindiasporaCom podmin account in 14 days.
[21:47]	schestowitz	Ive also had no response to direct email sent to Lukas Matts personal email account. (Hes responded to that on other issues previously.)
[21:47]	schestowitz	Last I attempted to use the official support email account, September/October of 2021, that apparently simply vanished silently into a black hole.
[21:47]	schestowitz	Communications here are not going well.
[21:47]	schestowitz	Id specifically like to know:
[21:47]	schestowitz	    Are there any active plans to migrate JoindiasporaCom to new ownership/management?
[21:47]	schestowitz	    Who if anyone is involved in this?
[21:47]	schestowitz	I understand that @Fla may have expressed an interest.
[21:47]	schestowitz	Ive also posted this separately here
[21:47]	schestowitz	https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/9894df705eed013a2cb0448a5b29e257
[21:47]		-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-diaspora.glasswings.com | On the JoindiasporCom shutdown and podmin communications
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