●● IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Thursday, May 27, 2021 ●● ● May 27 [01:06] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes [01:21] schestowitz [14:36] If the blackmailing ops are gone from freenode, why don't you undo the +q you put on me? [01:21] schestowitz [14:37] let's wait a few more days [01:21] schestowitz [14:37] there if flux everywhere [01:21] schestowitz [14:37] *is [01:21] schestowitz [14:37] Okay, but it does still keep you pretty hypocritical, if you're still maintaining the kinds of bans/silences you decry from others. [01:21] schestowitz [14:53] things need to cool down a bit [01:21] schestowitz MinceR: thoughts? [01:22] MinceR who is he referring to? [01:25] MinceR we quieted Old_Man because A.C. blackmailed us? [01:27] schestowitz more or less [01:28] MinceR in that case, we would want to change our hosting first [01:28] MinceR can the website be simplified (maybe removing video/audio files) to be hostable with a much lower storage requirement? that way we could at least mirror most of the site more cheaply [01:30] schestowitz we have gemini, ipfs etc. [01:30] schestowitz but tbh, moving hosts isn't a good idea [01:30] schestowitz not based upon something so relatively minor [01:30] schestowitz I guess the question is, [01:30] MinceR a corrupting influence is not minor [01:31] schestowitz would it be ok to return all but the Google trolls [01:31] schestowitz or troll [01:31] MinceR also, we don't have to move if we can have multiple instances at the same time [01:31] MinceR then any host can pull the plug and we'll be unaffected [01:31] schestowitz yes, well.. good luck finding additional mirrors etc on the cheap [01:31] schestowitz and ones you can trust with the data [01:32] MinceR cost depends on how large the site is, hence my earlier question [01:32] MinceR where is the gemini version hosted? [01:33] schestowitz home [01:33] schestowitz MinceR: give him voice back [01:33] MinceR ok [01:33] schestowitz and let's hope it'll be calm [01:33] MinceR done [01:33] schestowitz thanks [01:33] MinceR np [01:34] MinceR i guess it all comes down to how much you mind if the website goes down, how much do you think it suppresses our message [01:34] MinceR they can't take down our IRC presence, or gemini, or IPFS [01:56] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:56] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes ● May 27 [02:29] schestowitz MinceR: well, the other protocols are there for eggs being in many baskets [02:29] schestowitz techrights has zero presence in social control media [02:29] schestowitz those sites are worthless [02:29] MinceR sure, but do you consider the general audience to be savvy enough so that silencing the web presence does not suppress us? [02:37] schestowitz well, the web site was always there, except during major ddos [02:38] schestowitz which in 2008 or 2009 caused the web host to pull the plug (DDOS) ● May 27 [03:02] MinceR yeah, but it won't be there once the host pulls the plug because someone says something she does not like [03:27] schestowitz that depends [03:27] schestowitz we are on good terms currently [03:27] schestowitz there's also a complete offsite copy [03:27] schestowitz or was [03:37] *Aspie96 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● May 27 [05:39] MinceR if we want to speak freely, we should not depend on her [05:39] MinceR especially if the linux-destroying foundation really has control over her ● May 27 [06:58] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) ● May 27 [07:15] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes ● May 27 [08:42] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● May 27 [09:23] schestowitz = [09:23] schestowitz x https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e/BiggestLinuxEvent:1 [09:23] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-odysee.com | We Just Held The Biggest In-Person Linux Event of the Last Year! [09:23] schestowitz # multi-state spreader event; how long before bryan starts quoting qanon? [09:23] schestowitz = [09:23] schestowitz x https://olimex.wordpress.com/2021/05/26/we-moved-our-irc-chat-channel-olimex-to-libera-chat/ [09:23] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-olimex.wordpress.com | We moved our irc chat channel #olimex to Libera.chat | olimex [09:23] schestowitz # :( [09:26] schestowitz x https://venturebeat.com/2021/05/26/microsoft-to-drive-italys-digital-transformation-with-defense-partner/ [09:26] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-venturebeat.com | Microsoft to drive Italy's digital transformation with defense partner | VentureBeat [09:26] schestowitz = [09:26] schestowitz x https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/27/uspto_pdf_charge/ [09:26] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theregister.com | US Patent Office to take only DOCX in future or PDFs if you pay extra The Register [09:26] schestowitz # DOCX is *not* the same as ECMA-376 and ISO/IEC 29500, they are [09:26] schestowitz # spreading a lie ● May 27 [10:10] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes ● May 27 [12:04] schestowitz [08:20] fsfellowship.eu is a sockpuppet domain used by pocock to harass FOSS developers who do not deserve it [12:04] schestowitz [08:20] just so you are aware [12:04] schestowitz [08:20] is it just him? [12:04] schestowitz [08:20] yes [12:04] schestowitz [08:21] ok, thanks [12:04] schestowitz [08:22] if you would like a scoop that would actually be worth covering, dig into pocock's "Free Software Contributors Association" [12:04] schestowitz [08:23] I never heard of that term [12:04] schestowitz [08:23] it claims to be an incorporated charity in germany, but the german corporate register has no record of it [12:04] schestowitz [08:23] he's in Switzerland, I think [12:04] schestowitz [08:23] as i now have a board position involving xxxxxxxx, i have decided to recuse myself from such ugly business [12:04] schestowitz [08:24] he did problematic things lately [12:04] schestowitz [08:24] to several debian people [12:04] schestowitz [08:24] so I stopped reprinting [12:04] schestowitz [08:24] elana hashman is one of those debian people [12:04] schestowitz [08:25] Former debian [12:04] schestowitz [08:25] she did some problematic things this year as well [12:04] schestowitz [08:25] and I think they can still amend their letter [12:04] schestowitz [08:25] it contains falsehoods [12:05] schestowitz [08:26] she is an active member of the debian technical committee [12:05] schestowitz [08:26] so not 'former' debian [12:05] schestowitz [08:26] She has a hand in many things [12:05] schestowitz [08:26] I mostly ignored her OSI role [12:05] schestowitz [08:26] but that becomes more troubling in recent months [12:05] schestowitz [08:27] i have noticed that OSI is largely becoming an advertising vector for tidelift [12:05] schestowitz [08:27] that too [12:05] schestowitz [08:27] luis villa et al [12:05] schestowitz [08:27] former Moz and OSI [12:05] schestowitz [08:27] many of those orgs are connected [12:05] schestowitz [08:27] tidelift is also IBM (Red Hat) [12:05] schestowitz [08:27] i mean, i don't care about that personally [12:05] schestowitz [08:28] many people are being misled [12:05] schestowitz [08:28] to deflect the anger [12:05] schestowitz [08:28] IBM does some very bad things this year [12:05] schestowitz [08:29] true [12:05] schestowitz [08:29] patents, spying and more [12:05] schestowitz [08:29] they still blackmail companies [12:05] schestowitz [08:29] and they screwed with communities like CentOS, Fedora is very hollow [12:05] schestowitz [...] [12:05] schestowitz [08:40] leads to future conerns [12:05] schestowitz [08:40] 5 days ago, microwave with linux [12:05] schestowitz [08:40] to connect to Google [12:05] schestowitz [08:40] and have always-on microphone [12:05] schestowitz [08:40] linux does not belong on life critical systems imo [12:05] schestowitz [08:40] microwave-microphone in the news this past week [12:05] schestowitz [08:40] it is not designed for that [12:05] schestowitz [08:40] RTOS works ok [12:05] schestowitz [08:40] but [12:05] schestowitz [08:41] the engs throw linux at everything [12:05] schestowitz [08:41] with open telnet ports and stuff [12:05] schestowitz [08:41] there are FOSS RTOSes out there :) [12:05] schestowitz [08:41] and then the fun begins.. [12:05] schestowitz [08:41] because the small circuits are powerful enough now [12:05] schestowitz [08:41] anyway, i think it is pretty funny [12:05] schestowitz [08:42] the systemd crowd, they think they are winning [12:05] schestowitz [08:42] it does spread a lot [12:05] schestowitz [08:42] while slowly xxxxx has just chipped away [12:05] schestowitz [08:42] one day I hope the sites will run on current alpine, as security at the very least would be improved [12:05] schestowitz [08:42] hopefully soon [12:06] schestowitz [08:43] i've been up to my neck in xxx governance and security stuff for the past month and a half [12:06] schestowitz [08:43] that's fine :-) [12:06] schestowitz [08:43] the good news is, there is a lot of budget out there for xxxx [12:06] schestowitz [08:43] we did well in the mean time, the techbytes show is back on [12:06] schestowitz [08:44] and LF is good at finding it [12:06] schestowitz [08:44] LF is all about money [12:06] schestowitz [08:44] yep [12:06] schestowitz [08:44] i appreciate that about them :) [12:06] schestowitz [08:44] starting salary $300,000/annum [12:06] schestowitz [08:44] haha nah [12:06] schestowitz [08:44] they don't pay that good :p [12:06] schestowitz [08:44] for management level [12:06] schestowitz [08:44] IRS filings show the whole lot [12:06] schestowitz [08:45] maybe zemlin and them get paid like that [12:06] schestowitz [08:45] Zemlin is almost a million now, tax free [12:06] schestowitz [08:45] the engineers get compensated nicely [12:06] schestowitz [08:45] but not 300k nicely :p [12:06] schestowitz [08:45] Greg K-H 2-3 years ago: $400k/annum [12:06] schestowitz [08:45] I took a screenshot 2 weeks ago [12:06] schestowitz [08:45] tbh he deserves every penny [12:06] schestowitz [08:46] it is not easy working a job like Greg K-H has to deal with [12:06] schestowitz [08:46] being second in command means you have to deal with all the shit, but you don't get the glory :p [12:06] schestowitz [08:47] I'm ok with him [12:06] schestowitz [08:47] he commented many times in techrights [12:06] schestowitz [08:47] he's very professional.. when he needs to be http://techrights.org/2019/08/15/professionalism-myth/ [12:06] schestowitz [08:47] but he commented like 10+ years ago [12:06] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | The Myth of Professionalism | Techrights [12:06] schestowitz [08:48] I am doing a poem now [12:06] schestowitz [08:48] "Act More 'Professional'" [12:06] schestowitz [08:48] it's a satire about the suits [12:06] schestowitz [08:48] strangely you can thank LF for the increase of activity on my blog :p [12:06] schestowitz [08:48] that's good [12:06] schestowitz [08:48] notice zemlin is being hidden now [12:06] schestowitz [08:49] rianne says it's likely because he's seen as a liability [12:06] schestowitz [08:49] and risk [12:06] schestowitz [08:49] zemlin is enthusiastic about free software, but he sometimes gets ahead of himself [12:06] schestowitz [08:49] he definitely "gets" it [12:06] schestowitz [08:50] gets, pockets [12:06] schestowitz [08:50] AWS 'gets' "Cloud" [12:06] schestowitz [08:50] executive compensation is always ridiculous [12:06] schestowitz [08:51] they operated at a loss [12:07] schestowitz [08:51] because of those salaries [12:07] schestowitz [08:51] http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/the-linux-racket/ [12:07] schestowitz [08:51] "" [12:07] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Exceeds $100,000,000 in Revenue and Jim Zemlin Now Pays Himself About a Million Dollars a Year While His Foundation Operates at a Loss of $732,261 | Techrights [12:07] schestowitz [08:51] "The Linux Foundation Exceeds $100,000,000 in Revenue and Jim Zemlin Now Pays Himself About a Million Dollars a Year While His Foundation Operates at a Loss of $732,261" [12:07] schestowitz [08:52] :D [12:07] schestowitz [08:54] i mean, i can't say i disagree that executive compensation runs hot there :p [12:07] schestowitz [08:54] obviously i would support more pay for engineers and less pay for fat [12:07] schestowitz [08:55] i do think they have changed things up a bit though since then :) [12:07] schestowitz [08:55] it's part of a broader issue, imho [12:07] schestowitz [08:55] like, how we get dominated by buzzwords [12:07] schestowitz [08:56] which gives advantage in dialogue to less technical people [12:07] schestowitz [08:56] the issue i want to solve is making sure people are getting paid to write free software [12:07] schestowitz [08:56] who then elevate themselves [12:07] schestowitz [08:56] so far, LF has done the best job at making that happen [12:07] schestowitz [08:56] they can blame "edge" and "clown" and stuff [12:07] schestowitz [08:56] free software helps sell manhours and support [12:07] schestowitz [08:56] but they say manhour is a bad word [12:07] schestowitz [08:56] which is a distraction [12:07] schestowitz [08:56] from the low pay [12:07] schestowitz [08:56] or no pay at all [12:07] schestowitz [08:57] exploitation [12:07] schestowitz [08:57] I do free sw for a living [12:07] schestowitz [08:57] last night [12:07] schestowitz [08:57] I just need to watch, patch etc. some servers [12:07] schestowitz [08:57] sure, but i don't want to "sell support" [12:07] schestowitz [08:57] there are 2 billion devices running xxxx in the world, i should be paid to maintain xxxx [12:07] schestowitz [08:57] helps me buy my food [12:07] schestowitz [08:58] LF solved this problem for xxxx [12:07] schestowitz [08:58] good [12:07] schestowitz [08:58] for everyone [12:07] schestowitz [08:58] LF is not ALL bad [12:07] schestowitz [08:58] I never said it was [12:07] schestowitz [08:58] i'm just saying that time spent having to chase support contracts or sponsorship funding is time that could be spent producing free software [12:07] schestowitz [08:59] yes, I mostly get no hassle where I work [12:07] schestowitz [08:59] I get paid on time, not much, but it keeps me focused on activism [12:07] schestowitz [09:00] certainly valid [12:07] schestowitz [09:00] I also keep in touch with latest 'tech' [12:07] schestowitz [09:00] hands-on [12:07] schestowitz [09:00] i rather just produce the latest tech [12:07] schestowitz [09:00] :p [12:08] schestowitz [09:01] when profitability is incorporated into the design decisions of technology, you get systemd [12:08] schestowitz [09:01] stonk: 'tehc' [12:08] schestowitz [09:01] i am trying to undo some grave injustices that have happened [12:08] schestowitz [09:02] IBM ruining GNU/Linux with systemd and other crapware being a big one [12:08] schestowitz [09:02] thomas lord btw wrote about the shouting by RMS [12:08] schestowitz [09:02] might be of relevance to your colleague's grievances [12:08] schestowitz [09:02] i think everyone has largely said their piece [12:08] schestowitz [09:03] yeah, this one if from april [12:08] schestowitz [09:03] some have retracted their signature from the RMS open letter due to their revision of it [12:08] schestowitz [09:03] i am considering doing so as well [12:08] schestowitz [09:04] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-04/msg00098.html [12:08] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-lists.gnu.org | Re: Support RMS [12:08] schestowitz [09:04] yes, we mentioned the commits that remove sigs [12:08] schestowitz [09:04] elana did almost all of them [12:08] schestowitz [09:04] I get the whole repo here once in a few days and study it [12:08] schestowitz [09:05] i think more productive approaches are necessary [12:08] schestowitz [09:05] turning GNU into a radical tech collective, for example [12:08] schestowitz [09:06] if done right [12:08] schestowitz [09:06] not by doing IBM-backed mob tactics [12:08] schestowitz [09:06] because that causes unrest [12:08] schestowitz [09:06] the GNU assembly is not IBM-backed [12:08] schestowitz [09:06] and burns people out [12:08] schestowitz [09:06] some bloggers were so emotional over it and took a break [12:08] schestowitz [09:07] i don't know [12:08] schestowitz [09:07] i've been busy doing actual work [12:08] schestowitz [09:07] good [12:08] schestowitz [09:07] good time to take a break [12:08] schestowitz [09:07] it was chaotic [12:08] schestowitz [09:07] rms gives a talk tomorrow [12:08] schestowitz [09:07] 1.5 hours [12:08] schestowitz [09:08] i think rms is an important historical figure, but he's far from the only one [12:08] schestowitz [09:08] i need to focus on the future [12:08] schestowitz [09:08] true, but it's making a point [12:08] schestowitz [09:09] as there is an effort to have a go at people whom the monopolies don't like [12:08] schestowitz [09:09] because they don't even want to acknowledge where it all came from [12:08] schestowitz [09:09] it didn't "all" come from RMS though [12:08] schestowitz [09:09] the boys at berkeley were already hard at work rewriting AT&T UNIX one piece at a time by the time GNU came along [12:08] schestowitz [09:10] by working together, it was possible to build a free system [12:08] schestowitz [09:10] yes, but BSD suffered from the lawsuits and stuff [12:08] schestowitz [09:10] maybe that changed because gnu was gaining momentum [12:08] schestowitz [09:11] right now i am focusing on wrestling away the CVE system from corporate america [12:09] schestowitz [09:12] I saw your post [12:09] schestowitz [09:12] and others' [12:09] schestowitz [09:12] you haven't seen this post yet [12:09] schestowitz [09:12] and saw proposal for replacements [12:09] schestowitz [09:13] Josh Bressers: https://opensourcesecurity.io/2021/03/30/its-time-to-fix-cve/ [12:09] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-opensourcesecurity.io | Its time to fix CVE Open Source Security [12:09] schestowitz [09:13] there's a lot of talk, we are building some cool shit [12:09] schestowitz [09:13] xxx is this coming weekend [12:09] schestowitz [09:13] excellent! [12:09] schestowitz [09:13] you'll want to watch it [12:09] schestowitz [09:13] we've long written about that [12:09] schestowitz [09:13] the monopoly over security and trust [12:09] schestowitz [09:14] that's also what sigstore is about btw [12:09] schestowitz [09:14] fireeye is part of them [12:09] schestowitz [09:14] they try to shape the narrative of safety as well [12:09] schestowitz [09:14] and they have contracts with the "Big boys" [12:09] schestowitz [09:14] the endgame for sigstore is to supplant microsoft as the UEFI trust root [12:09] schestowitz [09:14] sigstore needs to be chains to the community [12:09] schestowitz [09:14] not the LF [12:09] schestowitz [09:14] it is [12:09] schestowitz [09:14] otherwise it's another Microsoft UEFI [12:09] schestowitz [09:14] anyone can set up their own sigstore root [12:09] schestowitz [09:14] LF has just offered to cross-sign [12:09] schestowitz [09:15] people cannot even upgrade Ubuntu on old systems now [12:09] schestowitz [09:15] UEFI would not let it boot! [12:09] schestowitz [09:15] yep [12:09] schestowitz [09:16] anyway, deep dive into sigstore soon [12:09] schestowitz [09:16] but LF being the only root isn't the plan [12:09] schestowitz [09:16] that root is primarily for cross signing [12:09] schestowitz [09:16] I see... [12:09] schestowitz [09:16] if it's explained a lot in many blogs, they'll not centralise it [12:09] schestowitz [09:16] like gitlab.COM [12:09] schestowitz [09:16] it's a chicken and egg thing [12:09] schestowitz [09:17] that's the problem with x509 [12:09] schestowitz [09:17] you need a trusted root [12:09] schestowitz [09:17] so to bootstrap, you cross-sign other roots [12:09] schestowitz [09:17] each project is supposed to be their own CA basically [12:09] schestowitz [09:17] for gemini I self-sign the cert [12:09] schestowitz [09:17] gemini is permissive about it [12:09] schestowitz [09:18] not Googlezilla and Google etc. [12:09] schestowitz [09:18] that's not good [12:10] schestowitz [09:18] because NSA can generate a gemini.techrights.org cert [12:10] schestowitz [09:18] and snoop on your traffic [12:10] schestowitz [09:18] it can [12:10] schestowitz [09:18] someone made a fake cerf for email domain of mine last week [12:10] schestowitz [09:18] so now we create a new free cerf for it [12:10] schestowitz [09:18] it's not my main domain [12:10] schestowitz [09:18] just bytesmedia.co.uk [12:10] schestowitz [09:18] for signing tarballs, containers, binaries, etc [12:10] schestowitz [09:19] you don't want a system where somebody can spoof you [12:10] schestowitz [09:19] but you also want it to be "simple" [12:10] schestowitz [09:19] it does warm me about the change [12:10] schestowitz [09:19] so, that's what sigstore tries to do [12:10] schestowitz [09:19] enable projects to run their own x509 CA for signing [12:10] schestowitz [09:19] and then LF will cross-sign your CA certificate to enable it to be trusted [12:10] schestowitz [09:20] as long as it doesn't become another "appstore"... [12:10] schestowitz [09:20] but longer term there is supposed to be a bundle [12:10] schestowitz [09:20] of known good trust roots [12:10] schestowitz [09:20] that's a political risk [12:10] schestowitz [09:20] they use that to wield power [12:10] schestowitz [09:20] so you have LF, GitHub, Gitlab, GNOME foundation, KDE, Alpine, Debian, etc [12:10] schestowitz [09:20] and this is what gemini tries to avoid [12:10] schestowitz [09:20] yes, unfortunately x509 is the best solution we have for idiot-proof security [12:10] schestowitz [09:21] yeah [12:10] schestowitz [09:21] the SSH model does not work because people just click "OK" [12:10] schestowitz [09:21] and then they are owned [12:10] schestowitz [09:21] this is something gemini will have to deal with if it gains enough popularity to be targeted by nation states [12:10] schestowitz [09:22] people discussed it last week [12:10] schestowitz [09:22] like bundle of certs [12:10] schestowitz [09:22] while the total number of capsules is still small [12:10] schestowitz [09:22] it's over 1000 now [12:10] schestowitz [09:22] congratulations, you reinvented x509 ;) [12:10] schestowitz [09:22] techrights is the biggest capsule [12:10] schestowitz [09:22] except worse [12:10] schestowitz [09:23] anyway, dan lorenc is a pretty smart cryptography dude [12:10] schestowitz [09:23] he's just not good at explaining things in simple terms [12:10] schestowitz [09:23] but sigstore is something we want [12:10] schestowitz [09:24] the alternative is centralized points of authority, like gitlab's docker container registry service [12:10] schestowitz [09:24] or github releases [12:10] schestowitz [09:24] or github registry [12:10] schestowitz [09:24] or github this, github that [12:11] schestowitz [09:24] github as a whole needs to g [12:11] schestowitz [09:24] *go [12:11] schestowitz [09:24] for many reasons [12:11] schestowitz [09:24] sigstore is about moving us past stuff like github/gitlab.com [12:11] schestowitz [09:24] projects are too centralised there [12:11] schestowitz [09:24] and it's in PRISM etc. [12:11] schestowitz [09:25] GitHub is perfect pwning tool for a nation state [12:11] schestowitz [09:25] agreed [12:11] schestowitz [09:25] they can even custom-tailor your download [12:11] schestowitz [09:25] but it's so damn convenient [12:11] schestowitz [09:25] for them too [12:11] schestowitz [09:25] the states [12:11] schestowitz [09:25] like FB and Twitter are [12:11] schestowitz [09:25] yep [12:11] schestowitz [09:25] for everyone [12:11] schestowitz [09:25] :p [12:11] schestowitz [09:25] better than 10 million blobs [12:11] schestowitz [09:25] you nuke people in one place and bam [12:11] schestowitz [09:25] *blogs [12:11] schestowitz [09:26] now all the 'blogs' are just 'account' in some companies with shareholders [12:11] schestowitz [09:26] the best part of sigstore is [12:11] schestowitz [09:26] if you don't trust LF [12:11] schestowitz [09:26] who cares [12:11] schestowitz [09:26] twitter had my account banned for 3 months for talking about patents on vaccines [12:11] schestowitz [09:26] anyone can countersign a project's root certificate [12:11] schestowitz [09:26] 3 months before Biden went like, "ROY IS RIGHT" ;0-) [12:11] schestowitz [09:26] so you can trust somebody else :) [12:11] schestowitz [09:27] some profs wrote to Twitter's CEO and my account was reinstated [12:11] schestowitz [09:27] Twitter is still a problem [12:11] schestowitz [09:27] twitter sucks [12:11] schestowitz [09:27] I am write-only in that site (copies) [12:11] schestowitz [09:27] fediverse also sucks [12:11] schestowitz [09:27] diaspora is crickets [12:11] schestowitz [09:28] the concepts are bad [12:11] schestowitz [09:28] the topology [12:11] schestowitz [09:28] also not efficient [12:11] schestowitz [09:28] federation, web bloat [12:11] schestowitz [09:28] so much for just one sentence [12:11] schestowitz [09:28] I'd serve a whole long article for as many bytes [12:11] schestowitz [09:28] and avoid confusion [12:12] schestowitz [09:29] concision leads to ambiguity and "misunderstandings" [12:12] schestowitz [09:29] people cited out of context [12:12] schestowitz [09:29] it's why I left Twitter last year: http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/ [12:12] schestowitz [09:30] pocock uses the same tactics as the twitter trolls do [12:12] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Social Control Media: Where Cancel Culture Thrives | Techrights [12:12] schestowitz [09:31] home addresses ought not be posted [12:12] schestowitz [09:31] some people did this tp me [12:12] schestowitz [09:31] threatening violence [12:12] schestowitz [09:31] anyway night [12:12] schestowitz [09:32] lots of work to do [12:12] schestowitz [09:32] cool [12:12] schestowitz [09:32] xxxx is gonna have some big talks worth covering tho [12:12] schestowitz [09:32] gn [12:12] schestowitz [11:52] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx preliminary xxxx schedule: xxxxx [12:12] schestowitz [11:52] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx yes, i know, its a google sheet :p [12:12] schestowitz [12:00] postmarketOS is a good project [12:12] schestowitz [12:00] will it be streaming? 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