●● IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Sunday, March 28, 2021 ●● ● Mar 28 [02:47] schestowitz__ "if RMS is a hero, then lxo is like levels far above RMS" [02:47] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-260321.html#tMar%2026%2000:37:12 [02:47] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, March 26, 2021 [02:47] schestowitz__ > Thanks, I've put in the changes you proposed; great ones! [02:47] schestowitz__ > [02:47] schestowitz__ > Sorry about all the obvious typos, I hoped to still catch you in this [02:47] schestowitz__ > email window, and so I didn't run the spell-checker first. [02:47] schestowitz__ > [02:47] schestowitz__ > I'll let you know once I gather all the feedback I've asked for, and [02:47] schestowitz__ > decide when to publish it. [02:48] schestowitz__ > Roy: [02:48] schestowitz__ > [02:48] schestowitz__ > They have allowed people to sign the petition without touching GitHub. [02:48] schestowitz__ > [02:48] schestowitz__ > [02:48] schestowitz__ > That's how I signed. But since the page itself is hosted at github, I [02:48] schestowitz__ > suggested that they use some sort of a mirror site. I'm not sure how [02:48] schestowitz__ > Bill would get his arms around https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ [02:48] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-rms-support-letter.github.io | An open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman | An open letter in support of RMS. [02:48] schestowitz__ > , but you never know. [02:48] schestowitz__ > [02:48] schestowitz__ > :-) [02:48] schestowitz__ Yes, I don't want my name on Microsoft pages [02:48] schestowitz__ > I don't see your name? [02:48] schestowitz__ > [02:49] schestowitz__ Re: Stallman Letter [02:49] schestowitz__ > Good afternoon. [02:49] schestowitz__ > [02:49] schestowitz__ > Would you be willing to speak out in support of Richard Stallman in the [02:49] schestowitz__ > face of a coordinated attack on FSF and himself? You can sign an open [02:49] schestowitz__ > letter supporting them here: https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ [02:49] schestowitz__ > (you can sign using github, [02:49] schestowitz__ > codeberg, or email) [02:49] schestowitz__ > [02:49] schestowitz__ > Thank you! ● Mar 28 [04:49] schestowitz__ https://www.reddit.com/r/StallmanWasRight/comments/maahv0/richard_stallman_is_coming_back_to_the_board_of/ [04:49] schestowitz__ " [04:49] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Richard Stallman is Coming Back to the Board of the Free Software Foundation : StallmanWasRight [04:49] schestowitz__ I am one of the few people who is extremely happy that Richard Stallman has come back to the FSF. [04:49] schestowitz__ 5 [04:49] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:49] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:49] schestowitz__ danhakimi [04:49] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [04:49] schestowitz__ Such a shame. [04:49] schestowitz__ The LibrePlanet organizers and staff were not informed. [04:49] schestowitz__ 2 [04:49] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:49] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:49] schestowitz__ ralfred180 [04:49] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:49] schestowitz__ And on the third day (well, not third day, but you get the idea), Technolojesus was risen according to the scriptures [04:49] schestowitz__ 7 [04:49] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:49] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:49] schestowitz__ GrandPapaBi [04:49] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:49] schestowitz__ Second venue of the Christ haha! [04:49] schestowitz__ 15 [04:49] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:50] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:50] schestowitz__ TraumaJeans [04:50] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:50] schestowitz__ Rare good news in this sub [04:50] schestowitz__ 34 [04:50] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:50] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:50] schestowitz__ AceOfSpades69420 [04:50] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:50] schestowitz__ About time. He did nothing wrong and the people who stabbed him in the back should be shunned for their willful cooperation with a vicious smear. [04:50] schestowitz__ 51 [04:50] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:50] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:50] schestowitz__ antibubbles [04:50] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:50] schestowitz__ What was the smear about? [04:50] schestowitz__ 3 [04:50] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:50] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:50] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:50] schestowitz__ diogocsvalerio [04:50] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:50] schestowitz__ "The Fsf is returning to the Fsf" [04:50] schestowitz__ 23 [04:50] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:50] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:50] schestowitz__ forgottenFleet [04:50] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:50] schestowitz__ "The FSF is returning to the building formerly occupied by the FSF." [04:50] schestowitz__ 9 [04:50] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:50] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:50] schestowitz__ Duke_Indigo [04:50] schestowitz__ -6 points [04:50] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:50] schestowitz__ 1 child [04:50] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:50] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:50] schestowitz__ mart-e [04:50] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:51] schestowitz__ The name of this sub is particularly appropriate for this article. [04:51] schestowitz__ 26 [04:51] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:51] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:51] schestowitz__ Likely_not_Eric [04:51] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:51] schestowitz__ I'm getting a self-signed cert for that site with the following SHA-256 thumbprint: BA47DEE6AE066F2BD80D51BF957E60416A8149A3A2F31FC2795A415ADA421704 [04:51] schestowitz__ Does anyone publish verification of that cert? [04:51] schestowitz__ 10 [04:51] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:51] schestowitz__ Comment deleted by user [04:51] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:51] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:51] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:51] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:51] schestowitz__ beringer-zsolt-hu [04:51] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:51] schestowitz__ PeerTube reupload pet peave. [04:51] schestowitz__ [04:51] schestowitz__ 16 [04:51] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:51] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:51] schestowitz__ OctopusET [04:51] schestowitz__ 6 days ago [04:51] schestowitz__ amazing!!! [04:51] schestowitz__ 18 [04:51] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:51] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:51] schestowitz__ bdevel [04:51] schestowitz__ 6 days ago [04:51] schestowitz__ Followers of the Church of Emacs rejoice and sing the Free Software hymn! The prophet St IGNUcius has been resurrected. Our computers can once again be blessed and exorcized of evil proprietary software that have possessed them! [04:51] schestowitz__ 32 [04:51] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:51] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:51] schestowitz__ PoissonPill [04:51] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:51] schestowitz__ edited 5 days ago [04:51] schestowitz__ sing the Free Software hymn [04:51] schestowitz__ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw [04:51] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | Richard Stallman Free software Song - YouTube [04:51] schestowitz__ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw [04:52] schestowitz__ 4 [04:52] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-yewtu.be | Richard Stallman Free software Song - Invidious [04:52] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:52] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:52] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:52] schestowitz__ JQuilty [04:52] schestowitz__ 6 days ago [04:52] schestowitz__ Good. The entire fiasco was complete bullshit to begin with. [04:52] schestowitz__ 53 [04:52] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:52] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:52] schestowitz__ PoissonPill [04:52] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:52] schestowitz__ But... but... some people on Twitter told me that they've been having PTSD from the moment they heard of RMS's existence and that's the reason why they never contributed to free software. [04:52] schestowitz__ 28 [04:52] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:52] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:52] schestowitz__ adante111 [04:52] schestowitz__ 6 days ago [04:52] schestowitz__ Do you think this will be good or bad for GNU Hurd? I am really looking forward to 2021 being the Year of the GNU/Hurd Desktop [04:52] schestowitz__ 24 [04:52] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:52] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:52] schestowitz__ ralfred180 [04:52] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:52] schestowitz__ Hopefully, it would feel great to have more than a couple major free kernels [04:52] schestowitz__ 1 [04:52] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:52] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:52] schestowitz__ juhisteri [04:52] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:52] schestowitz__ edited 5 days ago [04:52] schestowitz__ To reply to your question, I don't know. Myself I feel a little more inspired. [04:52] schestowitz__ 3 [04:52] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:52] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:52] schestowitz__ juhisteri [04:52] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:52] schestowitz__ If GNU/Hurd sounds promising, it might get some donations from rich people or industry etc. [04:52] schestowitz__ 2 [04:52] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:53] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:53] schestowitz__ juhisteri [04:53] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:53] schestowitz__ GNU/Hurd would need resources to progress. Who would give the money? Can we make a crowd funding site with no non-free javascript and collect money for steps such as GNU/Hurd USB support? [04:53] schestowitz__ 4 [04:53] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:53] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:53] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:53] schestowitz__ juhisteri [04:53] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:53] schestowitz__ GNU/Hurd works best on virtual machines. It works also on real hardware. However, it has no USB support, but can connect to internet. I would love to use Hurd on my Thinkpad T400 or some other laptop. If somebody could install for me, I would pay. [04:53] schestowitz__ 7 [04:53] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:53] schestowitz__ OceanPowers [04:53] schestowitz__ -24 points [04:53] schestowitz__ 6 days ago [04:53] schestowitz__ More than 2 children [04:53] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:53] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:53] schestowitz__ sfenders [04:53] schestowitz__ 6 days ago [04:53] schestowitz__ I like to think that most people who were understandably angry at RMS cooled down and saw that he didn't really do anything too bad once some time had passed and they looked at it more dispassionately. But not everyone. Expect some angry rants. [04:53] schestowitz__ 37 [04:53] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:53] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:53] schestowitz__ newPhoenixz [04:53] schestowitz__ 6 days ago [04:53] schestowitz__ What happened? [04:53] schestowitz__ 12 [04:53] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:53] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:53] schestowitz__ beaniebabycoin [04:53] schestowitz__ -21 points [04:53] schestowitz__ 6 days ago [04:53] schestowitz__ More than 1 child [04:53] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:53] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:53] schestowitz__ L3tum [04:53] schestowitz__ 6 days ago [04:53] schestowitz__ I thought he was a racist, sexist homophobe? The people on the internet told me! He basically wrote Mein Kampf! [04:54] schestowitz__ Also in a serious note: Who's "Mr. Oliva"? I've never heard of him, though I'm quite bad with names. [04:54] schestowitz__ 14 [04:54] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:54] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:54] schestowitz__ danhakimi [04:54] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [04:54] schestowitz__ Well, the accusations I remember were that he was a sexist creep, and I haven't heard anybody respond to those reactions... [04:54] schestowitz__ 1 [04:54] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:54] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:54] schestowitz__ beaniebabycoin [04:54] schestowitz__ 6 days ago [04:54] schestowitz__ To be clear, he stepped down after it was shown he alleged that one of the underage girls being trafficked by Epstein consented to sex with Marvin Minsky. source [04:54] schestowitz__ It's not some frivolous non-story-- he was seen as defending something pretty vile. The controversy threatened many ties the FSF has with other groups/projects, not to mention donations. Just being entirely pragmatic, if he returns without any apology or backtracking, this puts the FSF at risk. [04:54] schestowitz__ 8 [04:54] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:54] schestowitz__ " [04:54] schestowitz__ Isn't it marvellous? The world's not all bad after all :) [04:54] schestowitz__ [04:54] schestowitz__ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/maorj2/richard_stallman_is_coming_back_to_the_board_of/ [04:54] schestowitz__ " [04:54] schestowitz__ *don't shoot the messenger* [04:54] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Richard Stallman is Coming Back to the Board of the Free Software Foundation, Founded by Himself 35 Years Ago. : programming [04:54] schestowitz__ 131 [04:54] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:54] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:54] schestowitz__ Puzzleheaded_Ebb1352 [04:54] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:54] schestowitz__ I don't like the guy but the digital lynch mob that formed to attack anyone who has any association with him was ridiculous: [04:54] schestowitz__ > Sarah Mei then went through the board members involved one by one, digging into each of their histories, and tweeting what she viewed as fire-worthy infractions. The crimes included: being super involved with Wikipedia, retweeting a hideous New York Times editorial, and being friendly with famed democracy activist and law professor Lawrence Lessig. Publicly calling out each board member in turn with a clear implication: [04:54] schestowitz__ associate with a thought criminal and you too could be in jeopardy. [04:54] schestowitz__ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26536831 [04:54] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | > Sarah Mei then went through the board members involved one by one, digging int... | Hacker News [04:54] schestowitz__ 39 [04:54] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:55] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:55] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:55] schestowitz__ JB-from-ATL [04:55] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:55] schestowitz__ finger guns [04:55] schestowitz__ 4 [04:55] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:55] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:55] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:55] schestowitz__ Lapparent [04:55] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [04:55] schestowitz__ edited 4 days ago [04:55] schestowitz__ Hannah Wolfman-Jones and Nadine Strossen wrote a good article on Stallman's case last May. Strongly recommended if you haven't read it yet. https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web [04:55] schestowitz__ 5 [04:55] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.wetheweb.org | #Cancel We The Web? [04:55] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:55] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:55] schestowitz__ NostraDavid [04:55] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [04:55] schestowitz__ "I don't always read mailing lists, but when I do, it's because Richard Stallman is claiming the negative reaction to his abortion joke makes him a victim and scares women away from open source" [04:55] schestowitz__ I had to dig around about what supposed "abortion joke" he made. It's this - the context is abort(): [04:55] schestowitz__ Future Change Warning: Proposed Federal censorship regulations may prohibit us from giving you information about the possibility of calling this function. We would be required to say that this is not an acceptable way of terminating a program. [04:55] schestowitz__ What it's actually about: Mexico City policy, aka Global Gag Rule [04:55] schestowitz__ The Global Gag Rule, otherwise known as the Mexico City Policy, requires that any overseas organization receiving U.S. aid not have anything to do with abortion. Doctors, midwives, and nurses could not even mention the word abortionmuch less provide abortion services with their own fundseven if it was legal in their country, or if a woman asks. [04:55] schestowitz__ TL;DR It's not an abortion joke, but an out-of-place commentary on a rule that tries to censor NGOs. [04:55] schestowitz__ 4 [04:55] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:55] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:55] schestowitz__ AwesomeBantha [04:55] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:55] schestowitz__ gonna be honest, I'm not thrilled, dude is a super creep [04:55] schestowitz__ 99 [04:55] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:55] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:55] schestowitz__ tansim [04:55] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:55] schestowitz__ how so? [04:55] schestowitz__ 11 [04:55] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:55] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:55] schestowitz__ QuavoSucks [04:56] schestowitz__ -20 points [04:56] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:56] schestowitz__ 0 children [04:56] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:56] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:56] schestowitz__ RedPandaDan [04:56] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:56] schestowitz__ Awful news. Even if we pretend that Stallman did nothing wrong, the FSF as it currently is is unfit for purpose. [04:56] schestowitz__ There are loads of cool software packages using GPL, but for the majority of newer stuff made the GPL is near totally absent. Its coasting along on the inertia of past projects but all the stuff on the up and up (LLVM, TypeScript, Rust) has the GPL almost nowhere to be found. [04:56] schestowitz__ This is a disaster. [04:56] schestowitz__ 52 [04:56] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:56] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:56] schestowitz__ stronghup [04:56] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:56] schestowitz__ What about Linux? Isn't that GPL, and new versions come out frequently? [04:56] schestowitz__ 27 [04:56] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:56] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:56] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:56] schestowitz__ darkslide3000 [04:56] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [04:56] schestowitz__ Yeah, this has been specifically pushed by the corporate agenda of some big players for a while. LLVM is one branch, and there are others, e.g. Android dropping glibc in favor of their bionic. Piece by piece they're trying to displace GPL projects from every important area of software there is. You know if they could kill Linux they would, too (Google is trying exactly that with their Fuchsia thing, I guess, thankfully nobody is [04:56] schestowitz__ really buying it yet). I don't really want to see what happens when they succeed everywhere. [04:56] schestowitz__ The FSF has certainly not been very visible in fighting the anti-GPL trend, although I'm not sure there's much they could do anyway. They just have no real power. The big companies with their deep coffers have learned now that they can lure communities away from GPL projects by just investing tons in shiny bells and whistles for their competing project. Not really sure if there's any good way to stop the trend. Heck, maybe Stallman [04:56] schestowitz__ can think of something I don't... [04:56] schestowitz__ 9 [04:56] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:56] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:56] schestowitz__ lelanthran [04:56] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [04:56] schestowitz__ Rust [04:56] schestowitz__ Rust is on the up and up? I thought usage was still in the fractional percentages. [04:56] schestowitz__ 5 [04:56] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:56] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:56] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:56] schestowitz__ NerdDoesNerdThings [04:56] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [04:56] schestowitz__ There are loads of cool software packages using GPL, but for the majority of newer stuff made the GPL is near totally absent. Its coasting along on the inertia of past projects but all the stuff on the up and up (LLVM, TypeScript, Rust) has the GPL almost nowhere to be found. [04:57] schestowitz__ I don't see how that's related to Stallman, though. [04:57] schestowitz__ People see the GPL as more-or-less commie-shit, unfortunately. In the 90s, most stuff was totally proprietary. Then the corporations realized they could outsource a lot of work by making things open source, but in a way that they didn't have to agree to any obligations, so the liberal licenses have had a huge surge in use. [04:57] schestowitz__ I highly doubt that Stallman, himself, ever really held back the GPL. [04:57] schestowitz__ But, in any case, I agree with you that no exciting new projects seem to be GPL. Why do you suppose that is and what can/should be done to promote it better? [04:57] schestowitz__ 3 [04:57] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:57] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:57] schestowitz__ tasminima [04:57] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:57] schestowitz__ You don't really know what you are talking about, do you? The FSF does not produce software. That's the GNU Project. And the GNU Project is extremely far from being the only entity producing software under the GPL License. And a shitload of projects under the GPL are not declining nor today nor anytime soon. [04:57] schestowitz__ Plus the mission of the FSF is not exclusively the usage of the GPL... [04:57] schestowitz__ So it may be actually be considered a good news for completely other criteria than a random mix issued to show you know that Stallman is linked to the FSF and the GPL, and signal that you may not like copyleft or something like that :D [04:57] schestowitz__ 10 [04:57] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:57] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:57] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:57] schestowitz__ myringotomy [04:57] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:57] schestowitz__ Wow. This post is one of the highest rated comments on this thread. [04:57] schestowitz__ That's what this subreddit has devolved into. [04:57] schestowitz__ 10 [04:57] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:57] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:57] schestowitz__ AntiRedditFa [04:57] schestowitz__ -9 points [04:57] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [04:57] schestowitz__ More than 1 child [04:57] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:57] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:57] schestowitz__ max630 [04:57] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [04:57] schestowitz__ Can FSF do anything about it? I don't really know, they don't seem to have the resources for any offensive move. I would bet on staying as resilient as possible in hope the "GPL is virus" crowd comes to senses by themselves. They already started to suspect something went wrong with no-copyleft licenses. [04:57] schestowitz__ Even if it could, is Stallman leaving moves it to the correct direction? As Stallman was leaving, I tried to check several comments from those who was staying in FSF. There were many nice words about inclusivity etc. But I don't remember any of them said anything freedom. How they intend to keep software free. [04:57] schestowitz__ 1 [04:57] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:57] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:57] schestowitz__ Ker-Blammo [04:57] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:57] schestowitz__ Huh, I would've thought the whole Epstein thing would've been the last we heard of him. But I guess I shouldn't be too surprised, dude is pretty crazy about getting into the limelight [04:57] schestowitz__ 26 [04:58] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:58] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:58] schestowitz__ pure_x01 [04:58] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:58] schestowitz__ Im not in the loop: Stallman and Epstein ? [04:58] schestowitz__ 14 [04:58] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:58] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:58] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:58] schestowitz__ solid_reign [04:58] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:58] schestowitz__ edited 5 days ago [04:58] schestowitz__ The people here evidently didn't read the original conversation. Minsky (a friend of stallman) was accused of a assaulting a girl. Stallman said that words like assault are unclear and that the accusation is that the girl was coerced into having sex with him and that most interpretations would agree that Minsky would have been unaware of the coercion. Someone mentioned that in the virgin islands having sex with a 17 year old is [04:58] schestowitz__ assault under the jurisdiction. Stallman said that they are discussing the ethics or morality of the situation, and that that does not change with the jurisdiction. [04:58] schestowitz__ That is what the controversy was about. He never defended Epstein, he's called him a serial rapist and has asked for his encarcelation. [04:58] schestowitz__ A big part of the controversy is having this conversation in an MIT science forum. [04:58] schestowitz__ 14 [04:58] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:58] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:58] schestowitz__ Uberhipster [04:58] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [04:58] schestowitz__ i really do wish free software was a viable alternative for me [04:58] schestowitz__ i dont think it has anything to do with rms heading up fsf or fsf for that matter [04:58] schestowitz__ personally, their track record of attracting extremists and corporate backlash leaves a lot to be desired in terms of results (you know that little thing that some of us in the private sector have to worry about because we dont live in cushy cocoon of macarthur grants where we get to spew fire&brimstoneTM from our ivory tower) [04:58] schestowitz__ i would love to use only free software at my enterprise [04:58] schestowitz__ what is fsf doing to help make that happen? not a thing [04:58] schestowitz__ what will they be doing about that once rms gets reappointed to head the organization? the exact same thing [04:58] schestowitz__ 2 [04:58] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:58] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:58] schestowitz__ kyru [04:58] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [04:58] schestowitz__ We don't need this creep around. [04:58] schestowitz__ 3 [04:58] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:58] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:58] schestowitz__ spacerodent [04:58] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:58] schestowitz__ I didn't expect discussions of child rape today... [04:58] schestowitz__ 6 [04:59] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:59] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:59] schestowitz__ aghast_nj [04:59] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:59] schestowitz__ Do you have a particular "Child Rape Day" circled on your calendar? [04:59] schestowitz__ 34 [04:59] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:59] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:59] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:59] schestowitz__ PeaceAndLoveInRain [04:59] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:59] schestowitz__ I'm not defending adults sleeping with 17yos (or more accurately being skeptically that it's rape) but I think it diminishes perception of how truely horrifying child molestation is when we group these two things together. [04:59] schestowitz__ 7 [04:59] schestowitz__ Continue this thread [04:59] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:59] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:59] schestowitz__ bruce3434 [04:59] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:59] schestowitz__ I know Stallman for his advocacy for FLOSS and I stand by him. Welcome back, RMS. Thank you for standing up for our freedom. Thank you for fighiting to defend our freedom. [04:59] schestowitz__ 7 [04:59] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:59] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:59] schestowitz__ AntiRedditFa [04:59] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [04:59] schestowitz__ Agreed. It's ridiculous that he was forced to step down in the first place. [04:59] schestowitz__ 11 [04:59] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:59] schestowitz__ ohtori [04:59] schestowitz__ -13 points [04:59] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [04:59] schestowitz__ 0 children [04:59] schestowitz__ level 2 [04:59] schestowitz__ asdasdasd007 [04:59] schestowitz__ -8 points [04:59] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [04:59] schestowitz__ More than 1 child [04:59] schestowitz__ User avatar [04:59] schestowitz__ level 1 [04:59] schestowitz__ Zamaamiro [04:59] schestowitz__ 4 days ago ● Mar 28 [05:00] schestowitz__ Fuck Richard I dont see anything wrong with child pornography Stallman. [05:00] schestowitz__ 3 [05:00] schestowitz__ User avatar [05:00] schestowitz__ level 2 [05:00] schestowitz__ NostraDavid [05:00] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [05:00] schestowitz__ Dubya has nominated another caveman for a federal appeals court. Refreshingly, the Democratic Party is organizing opposition. [05:00] schestowitz__ The nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, "prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia" also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally--but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness. [05:00] schestowitz__ source, because some people can't be arsed. [05:00] schestowitz__ Also, for context, Dubya is George W. Bush - the then-president of the USA. 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[05:00] schestowitz__ -2 [05:00] schestowitz__ level 1 [05:00] schestowitz__ AbleZion [05:01] schestowitz__ -8 points [05:01] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [05:01] schestowitz__ 0 children [05:01] schestowitz__ User avatar [05:01] schestowitz__ level 1 [05:01] schestowitz__ ElliotsRebirth [05:01] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [05:01] schestowitz__ The little birds and their loins rejoice! Guess what, co-workers? Foot snack parties!!! Inappropriate dancing with a guy in a GNU (Gnu's Not Unix) costume may occur. [05:01] schestowitz__ -3 [05:01] schestowitz__ level 1 [05:01] schestowitz__ rustjelqing2 [05:01] schestowitz__ -35 points [05:01] schestowitz__ 5 days ago [05:01] schestowitz__ More than 5 children [05:01] schestowitz__ User avatar [05:01] schestowitz__ level 1 [05:01] schestowitz__ FantasticGentleman2 [05:01] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [05:01] schestowitz__ Leaving aside Stallman's questionable past comments (which are pretty indicting, to be fair), I'm pretty sure the reason for his return is his view on software freedom and what the laws concerning copyright and other computer related subjectsshould be. Like it or not, I personally believe that his ideals are what pushed a lot of the projects that FSF is now running: like their push against DRM (the defective by design initiatie) or [05:01] schestowitz__ their attempts at classifying JavaScript libraries according to whether they are or are not free. Not to mention the linux libre initiative, along with other similar projects like libreCMC or their android fork (although the latter two have very little hardware support). [05:01] schestowitz__ He has strong opinions over what should and shouldn't pass and, frankly, I think he has better conviction than the majority of other people on this planet. [05:01] schestowitz__ His technical skills or what he's done recently are not relevant now, it's his vision. Which makes sense for someone with such a position [05:01] schestowitz__ -1 [05:01] schestowitz__ User avatar [05:01] schestowitz__ level 1 [05:01] schestowitz__ failnugget [05:01] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [05:01] schestowitz__ Welcome back Stallman!! [05:01] schestowitz__ 0 [05:01] schestowitz__ User avatar [05:01] schestowitz__ level 1 [05:01] schestowitz__ wt_tar_gz [05:01] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [05:01] schestowitz__ what does this mean for GNU Hurd? [05:01] schestowitz__ 1 [05:01] schestowitz__ User avatar [05:01] schestowitz__ level 1 [05:01] schestowitz__ OkayTHISIsEpicMeme [05:01] schestowitz__ 4 days ago [05:01] schestowitz__ No idea why anyone would choose to simp for Richard Stallman. [05:02] schestowitz__ Even if youre a free software advocate, the man has not contributed anything of value for over 30 years. [05:02] schestowitz__ " ● Mar 28 [09:16] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:16] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [09:22] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [09:23] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [09:57] *rianne__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Mar 28 [11:27] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [11:48] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes ● Mar 28 [12:21] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:21] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes [12:49] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) ● Mar 28 [13:18] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes [13:20] schestowitz__ " [13:20] schestowitz__ To put it simply: I suffered from nocturia, and about two years ago, I bought a small fountain, and, overnight, my nocturia disappeared. The cascading water creates mechanical sound waves that stimulate urinary function, and alleviate nocturia. And, rather than continue to use a small fountain, I came up with the idea of putting a pump in a trashcan. [13:20] schestowitz__ I am convinced that bathing the body in mechanical sound waves from cascading water has urological benefits, aside from the other benefits people claim they get from fountains. I've done quite a bit of research on the internet, and one of the great believers in flowing water was Leonardo da Vinci. http://witcombe.sbc.edu/water/artleonardo.html [13:20] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-witcombe.sbc.edu | H2O - The Mystery, Art, and Science of Water: Leonardo and Water [13:20] schestowitz__ You might not know much about nocturia, but, believe me, it is a problem that researchers and doctors and companies all over the world are heavily involved in. Ferring, the Swiss pharma company, commissioned this RAND Corporation report that says the annual cost of nocturia is $79 billion. https://www.rand.org/randeurope/research/projects/nocturia-effects-on-health-and-productivity.html [13:20] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.rand.org | How trips to the bathroom at night affect health and productivity | RAND [13:20] schestowitz__ I guess your focus is on radio waves, not mechanical sound waves, but maybe you know somebody who might be interested in this discovery. [13:21] schestowitz__ I have ideas about how this discovery might be commercialised, and my published PCT application is at https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2021030158 , and I have a little website at fountainmagicforyou.com [13:21] schestowitz__ " [13:21] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-patentscope.wipo.int | WO2021030158 SEALED MEDICAL FOUNTAIN ● Mar 28 [14:43] schestowitz__ > Please update this site to modern web standards. The whole [14:43] schestowitz__ > site is incredibly dated and fails to render properly in current [14:43] schestowitz__ > browsers. For a purported software and web design company that is [14:43] schestowitz__ > pretty dumb. [14:46] schestowitz__ > On 28/03/2021 08:10, Jean Louis wrote: [14:46] schestowitz__ >> * Mike Gerwitz [2021-03-28 07:31]: [14:46] schestowitz__ >>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 00:53:45 +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: [14:46] schestowitz__ >>>> If you feel the same pain watching the attacks on RMS that you felt [14:46] schestowitz__ >>>> watching the mob at the US Capitol then you are a witness to a crime. [14:46] schestowitz__ >>>> [14:46] schestowitz__ >>>> https://debian.community/molly-de-blanc-arrest-and-prosecution-for-cyberbullying/ [14:46] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-debian.community | Molly de Blanc, arrest and prosecution for cyberbullying [14:46] schestowitz__ >>> Calling for the arrest of someone whose speech you do not agree with, [14:46] schestowitz__ >>> even if you consider it libelous, is wrong. [14:46] schestowitz__ >> Mike, did you send that same message also to the other side? [14:46] schestowitz__ >> [14:46] schestowitz__ >> Do you know more about that conflict and what was done or what can be [14:46] schestowitz__ >> done to solve the conflict? [14:46] schestowitz__ >> [14:46] schestowitz__ >> Why don't you initiate as assistant there, a meeting of Molly de Blanc [14:46] schestowitz__ >> and RMS, I somehow think they could solve those issues by [14:46] schestowitz__ >> speaking. Maybe something good comes out of it. [14:46] schestowitz__ >> [14:46] schestowitz__ >> Jean [14:46] schestowitz__ >> [14:46] schestowitz__ >> P.S. Otherwise, if nobody initiated mediation between parties in [14:46] schestowitz__ >> conflict, at least one of those parties, in this case Molly de Blanc [14:47] schestowitz__ >> is inititating hate propaganda campaign, cyber-bullying by law (not [14:47] schestowitz__ >> mentioned as in relation libel) -- and that is creating more and more [14:47] schestowitz__ >> conflict. You will have to bear it. There will be more created unless [14:47] schestowitz__ >> conflict is solved. I think you can help on solving it. [14:47] schestowitz__ > The police report is not for defamation. [14:47] schestowitz__ > [14:47] schestowitz__ > The petition is an act of vilification. [14:47] schestowitz__ > [14:47] schestowitz__ > The perpetrators set up these meaningless front organizations, such as [14:47] schestowitz__ > the Open Source Initiative, as sock puppets to amplify the defamation [14:47] schestowitz__ > and vilification of a sole individual. When multiple associations band [14:47] schestowitz__ > together like that, when those organizations serve no other useful [14:47] schestowitz__ > purpose, it would appear to violate laws relating to conspiracy and gang [14:47] schestowitz__ > behavior. [14:47] schestowitz__ > [14:47] schestowitz__ > These are incredibly serious crimes, the petition is only a symptom of it. [14:47] schestowitz__ > [14:47] schestowitz__ > Regards, ● Mar 28 [15:24] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes ● Mar 28 [16:30] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [16:51] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes ● Mar 28 [17:28] *genr8_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:28] *genr8_ (~genr8_@unaffiliated/genbtc) has joined #techbytes [17:34] schestowitz__ >> "if RMS is a hero, then lxo is like levels far above RMS" [17:34] schestowitz__ > Doh. Is she trying to inflate my ego to induce me to betray rms? :-/ [17:34] schestowitz__ > [17:34] schestowitz__ > I have no clue of what she's talking about WRT drug cartels, FWIW. [17:34] schestowitz__ > Either she mistakes me for someone else, or I had no idea I was getting [17:34] schestowitz__ > into any of what she says. Either way, I don't deserve that credit. [17:34] schestowitz__ > [17:34] schestowitz__ > [17:34] schestowitz__ > The blog post is now live at [17:34] schestowitz__ > https://www.fsfla.org/blogs/lxo/2021-03-28-pursuing-justice-and-freedom.en.html [17:34] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.fsfla.org | ::[FSFLA]:: pursuing justice and freedom [17:55] schestowitz__ > My money is betting on "crank". [17:55] schestowitz__ Yes, hence I abstained from naming and did not cite anything except the parts about Linux and Kappos conflict of interest. [17:55] schestowitz__ Every now and then cranks send me stuff about their ridiculous patents. ● Mar 28 [18:48] MinceR lol ● Mar 28 [20:03] XFaCE > Doh. Is she trying to inflate my ego to induce me to betray rms? :-/ [20:03] XFaCE @schestowitz__: who is the "she" in this case? [20:08] MinceR probably Ariadne [20:26] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:30] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techbytes ● Mar 28 [21:24] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Mar 28 [22:24] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes ● Mar 28 [23:09] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:09] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes [23:10] schestowitz__ MinceR: yes [23:10] schestowitz__ the post gives enough context, as does the mail