●● IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Friday, January 29, 2021 ●● ● Jan 29 [01:07] schestowitz https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1354865642990694402 [01:07] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: Time for a "blockchain based social network"? https://t.co/TxR8LzcCRA #twitter #shadow #banning [01:07] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Twitter is Hiding Techrights and Partly Shadowbans Yours Truly | Techrights [01:08] schestowitz https://twitter.com/iyearnx/status/1354950639567204358 [01:08] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@iyearnx: @schestowitz secret advice for the future: https://t.co/0gA6K3zEbt [01:08] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> coinmarketcap.com | Marscoin price today, MARS marketcap, chart, and info | CoinMarketCap [01:09] schestowitz https://twitter.com/thomas_lord/status/1354940876229808135 [01:09] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@thomas_lord: This outcome is why "Cygnus Support" was founded. Their first play was a hostile take-over of GCC. Their next pla https://t.co/5ex2Q308cA [01:09] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@thomas_lord: This outcome is why "Cygnus Support" was founded. Their first play was a hostile take-over of GCC. Their next pla https://t.co/5ex2Q308cA [01:09] schestowitz "This outcome is why "Cygnus Support" was founded. Their first play was a hostile take-over of GCC. Their next play was to help start the open source bullshit. It was a bunch of slime that founded that company which later took over (by acquisition) Red Hat." [01:09] schestowitz https://twitter.com/wget42/status/1354918598393950210 [01:09] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@wget42: @schestowitz Vendor locking? Ansible? Really? [01:10] schestowitz https://twitter.com/MrIvanJohnson/status/1354907672810811392 [01:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MrIvanJohnson: to those delusional souls who still think #BillGates is a Good Person or that he should be trusted re #covid vaccin https://t.co/ZNIfD7j3Im [01:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MrIvanJohnson: to those delusional souls who still think #BillGates is a Good Person or that he should be trusted re #covid vaccin https://t.co/ZNIfD7j3Im [01:10] schestowitz " [01:10] schestowitz to those delusional souls who still think #BillGates is a Good Person or that he should be trusted re #covid vaccines. v @yvessmith [01:10] schestowitz cc @schestowitz [01:10] schestowitz @AutomaticEarth [01:10] schestowitz [01:10] schestowitz https://nakedcapitalism.com/2021/01/oxford-pledged-to-donate-covid-vaccine-rights-then-sold-them-thanks-to-bill-gates.html [01:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Oxford Pledged to Donate Covid Vaccine Rights, Then Sold Them, Thanks to Bill Gates | naked capitalism [01:10] schestowitz " [01:10] schestowitz https://twitter.com/Plain_Old_Tim/status/1354885522120978444 [01:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Plain_Old_Tim: @schestowitz Yes, I suspect there will be a conversion script out to turn CENT8 into UBL before the summer is over. https://t.co/N3DAPuoj6R [01:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Plain_Old_Tim: @schestowitz Yes, I suspect there will be a conversion script out to turn CENT8 into UBL before the summer is over. https://t.co/N3DAPuoj6R [01:10] schestowitz "Yes, I suspect there will be a conversion script out to turn CENT8 into UBL before the summer is over. And in addition to their free distro the support on UBL premium is cheaper than RHEL. But... you have to work with Oracle and that's never fun." [01:10] schestowitz https://twitter.com/Flavia0847/status/1354845150825107456 [01:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Flavia0847: @schestowitz Nobody's getting out, they've all been 'legally charged and convicted'. Without legal charges and con https://t.co/kNDs2jFYD6 [01:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Flavia0847: @schestowitz Nobody's getting out, they've all been 'legally charged and convicted'. Without legal charges and con https://t.co/kNDs2jFYD6 [01:11] schestowitz "Nobody's getting out, they've all been 'legally charged and convicted'. Without legal charges and convictions, private incarceration is just like kidnapping." [01:11] schestowitz https://twitter.com/MrIvanJohnson/status/1354782667410169858 [01:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MrIvanJohnson: @schestowitz @stacyherbert @DoubleEagle49 #StreisandEffect https://t.co/ihpT6PVjyP [01:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Grummz: The banning of wallstreetbets on Discord just hit the Streisand effect for this Gamestop business. People waking u https://t.co/E3my17V58l [01:11] schestowitz https://twitter.com/kelly4NC/status/1354763885098708993 [01:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@kelly4NC: @schestowitz Today is a good day to quit the GOP [01:11] schestowitz https://twitter.com/liztormato/status/1354733876464263168 [01:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@liztormato: @joshuamy @schestowitz Being the only one to be convinced of something, does not necessarily mean that they're wron https://t.co/ty2OrqyTAi [01:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@liztormato: @joshuamy @schestowitz Being the only one to be convinced of something, does not necessarily mean that they're wron https://t.co/ty2OrqyTAi [01:11] schestowitz "Being the only one to be convinced of something, does not necessarily mean that they're wrong. Therefore I would like to know more, to be able to make a more informed decision on how to judge that opinion. Microsoft appears to be on a good path, they really weren't in the past!" 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He's practically the only person using the "deletegithub" hashtag [05:40] schestowitz > FWIW, I was able to make a small donation to GNUpg earlier this year. [05:40] schestowitz I think they're OK, but why did they take FB money? Bad optics. It raises questions... [05:40] schestowitz > Since TLS is mentioned, it might be relevant or not but MWL is heading [05:40] schestowitz > into the final stages of his book on TLS: [05:40] schestowitz > [05:41] schestowitz > https://mwl.io/archives/9938 [05:41] schestowitz > [05:41] schestowitz > He's quite antagonistic towards GNU however. [05:41] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-mwl.io | TLS Mastery first draft done! Michael Warren Lucas [05:41] schestowitz > [05:41] schestowitz > My own speculation is that web mail is promoted /because/ of the [05:41] schestowitz > sieve-like nature of the TLS-trust hierarchy and how the end points (the [05:41] schestowitz > proprietary javascript in the browsers) remain in the full control of [05:41] schestowitz > the mail vendor. [05:41] schestowitz Outsourced trust. [05:41] schestowitz > Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has abandoned Thunderbird as far as I can tell, there [05:41] schestowitz > is not even an improved version in back-ports [05:41] schestowitz > [05:41] schestowitz > $ apt-cache policy thunderbird enigmail \ [05:41] schestowitz > | sed -n '/^[^[:space:]]/,+2p' [05:41] schestowitz Yes, it is deprecated. [05:41] schestowitz What a shame, what a loss. [05:41] schestowitz > thunderbird: [05:41] schestowitz > Installed: 1:68.10.0+build1-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 [05:41] schestowitz > Candidate: 1:68.10.0+build1-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 [05:41] schestowitz > enigmail: [05:41] schestowitz > Installed: 2:2.1.6+ds1-1 [05:41] schestowitz > Candidate: 2:2.1.6+ds1-1 [05:41] schestowitz > [05:41] schestowitz > and I have let time slip by. The lack of support there is dire [05:41] schestowitz > [05:41] schestowitz > # zgrep -h -B 1 -E 'thunderbird|enigmail' \ [05:41] schestowitz > /var/log/apt/history.log.?.gz | grep -i 'start-date' | [05:41] schestowitz > [05:41] schestowitz > Start-Date: 2020-04-23 07:34:03 [05:41] schestowitz > Start-Date: 2020-04-23 07:39:39 [05:41] schestowitz > Start-Date: 2020-06-16 15:33:54 [05:41] schestowitz > [05:41] schestowitz > see also: [05:41] schestowitz > [05:41] schestowitz > https://askubuntu.com/questions/1270573/cannot-upgrade-to-latest-version-of-thunderbird-78 [05:41] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-askubuntu.com | 20.04 - Cannot upgrade to latest version of thunderbird 78 - Ask Ubuntu [05:41] schestowitz I already made the leap, seeing it would be hard to stay behind. [05:41] schestowitz > and now I see I ought to find a work-around. Especially since official [05:41] schestowitz > support stopped in 2020: [05:41] schestowitz > [05:41] schestowitz > https://blog.thunderbird.net/2019/10/thunderbird-enigmail-and-openpgp/ [05:41] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-blog.thunderbird.net | Thunderbird, Enigmail and OpenPGP | The Thunderbird Blog [05:42] schestowitz Yes, that happened. [05:42] schestowitz > However, I'm not sure about the battery support for my laptop in other [05:42] schestowitz > distros as well as support for the government identifation card reader. [05:42] schestowitz > [05:42] schestowitz > Some of the countries have chipped identification cards nowadays and [05:42] schestowitz > they seem to use RSA keys. I got the impression from a small side [05:42] schestowitz > comment in a mailing list that at least one can be used to sign OpenPGP [05:42] schestowitz > that way, but the details are not well known. xxxx and xxx would [05:42] schestowitz > be the places to check about that. [05:42] schestowitz > Also, OpenPGP is used by all (AFIK) distros for packaging. [05:43] schestowitz > Please let me know if this came through with encryption and with my [05:43] schestowitz > public key attached. TB78 will not let me encrypt a message to [05:43] schestowitz > s@xxxxxxx using the key labelled r@xxxxx [05:43] schestowitz Assuming this will use by default the key I've just added, this is a test. [05:43] schestowitz > $ apt-cache policy sequoia [05:43] schestowitz > N: Unable to locate package sequoia [05:43] schestowitz > [05:43] schestowitz > $ apt-cache policy nettle-bin | head -n 3 [05:43] schestowitz > nettle-bin: [05:43] schestowitz > Installed: (none) [05:43] schestowitz > Candidate: 3.6-2 [05:51] schestowitz > Hi Roy :-) Just a quick hello to say I've not vanished; the art is still [05:51] schestowitz > on the way (back issues at mo). Have a good weekend. Cheers, [05:51] schestowitz Excellent, thank you! [05:51] schestowitz Over here, still trying to cope with ISP issues and lockdown. [05:51] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) ● Jan 29 [06:03] schestowitz >> I believe this is the first E-mail message I can read [06:03] schestowitz >> directly from ThunderBird as opposed to the CLI with [06:04] schestowitz >> files. [06:04] schestowitz > I put the GnuPG output (with --armour) in the body of the [06:04] schestowitz > email. That may be why you can read it straight in [06:04] schestowitz > Thunderbird. [06:07] schestowitz >> Assuming this will use by default the key I've just added, this is a test. [06:07] schestowitz >> [06:07] schestowitz > It came through. TB 78 seems to have fewer choices for managing keys [06:07] schestowitz > than Engimail did. [06:07] schestowitz I don't suppose they will add more options, as that might "confuse the user" [06:22] schestowitz >> I don't suppose they will add more options, as that might "confuse the user" [06:22] schestowitz >> [06:22] schestowitz >> [06:22] schestowitz > Well as it stands it is very hard to see if the incoming message was [06:22] schestowitz > encrypted. It takes many clicks to verify that the outgoing message [06:22] schestowitz > will be encrypted. Both statuses were indicated with clear icons by [06:22] schestowitz > Enigmail. [06:40] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes ● Jan 29 [07:32] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:33] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes [07:39] schestowitz > http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-280121.html#tJan%2028%2010:25:54 [07:39] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, January 28, 2021 [07:39] schestowitz > [07:39] schestowitz > Alpine is gone, and does not deal with OpenPGP in a reasonable manner. [07:39] schestowitz > Mutt has too much of a learning curve. Are there better options? [07:40] schestowitz At first I thought you were referring to the distro, which had a new release hours ago. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147018 [07:40] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.tuxmachines.org | Alpine 3.13.1 released | Tux Machines [07:40] schestowitz Worth noting: [07:40] schestowitz Drew DeVault (1): [07:40] schestowitz main/doas: patch out PATH reset vulnerability [07:40] schestowitz I know about pine/alpine, maybe Linus even /still/ uses it. [07:40] schestowitz I have so much stuff in Thunderbird that I'd dread moving away. I suggest you stick to it. If Mozilla f's up, someone will fork it or take over. [07:40] schestowitz Over time I got used to the new pgp handling in TB, seeing there are some workarounds in settings. ● Jan 29 [08:22] *genr8_ has quit (Quit: dead.) ● Jan 29 [12:14] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techbytes [12:16] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [12:57] Techrights-sec When we went over to fibre, the ISP took away our ability to use IPv6 [12:57] Techrights-sec directly. There may still be a work-around. ● Jan 29 [23:13] schestowitz x https://www.analyticsinsight.net/revenera-finds-open-source-used-more-than-companies-disclose/ [23:13] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.analyticsinsight.net | Revenera Finds Open Source Used More Than Companies Disclose [23:24] *genr8_ (~genr8_@unaffiliated/genbtc) has joined #techbytes