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[07:02] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@asrpphbur8fa4.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jan 30 [08:09] schestowitz " [08:10] schestowitz I believe if we put some low fee such as half a euro per month per user, we can manage to have the service running [08:10] schestowitz Dennis Schubert [08:10] schestowitz Dennis Schubert - about 15 hours ago [08:10] schestowitz nothing says I respect the people running a project more than publicly asking for folks to be spammed. [08:10] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius [08:10] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius - about 14 hours ago [08:10] schestowitz @Dennis Schubert What specifically are you responding to here? [08:10] schestowitz >sfb< SigmundFreud'sBartender [08:10] schestowitz >sfb< SigmundFreud'sBartender - about 13 hours ago [08:10] schestowitz to the bug reports I gues. [08:10] schestowitz Jason Robinson [08:10] schestowitz Jason Robinson - about 10 hours ago [08:10] schestowitz @Peluza Those counts (150 per month) do not contain joindiaspora. [08:10] schestowitz Actually, joindiaspora only ever became a feneas service only semi-officially, it never really made the transfer fully and was never properly a part of the feneas service infra. There is only one person Im afraid that can help and/or answer queries about the future and/or status of joindiaspora - Lukas, who has been running it for many years. Emailing feneas addresses unfortunately wont help much, as there isnt anything I can do about [08:10] schestowitz joindiaspora related things, and Im probably the only one reading the emails to feneas. [08:10] schestowitz My understanding is that the pod going down has little to do with feneas being dissolved - it was just a trigger. [08:10] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius [08:10] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius - about 10 hours ago [08:10] schestowitz @Jason Robinson ?? Thanks for the clarity on that. [08:10] schestowitz There has been a fundraising campaign run on JD for the past two years at least. I believe the campaign target was about 750. [08:10] schestowitz Given 1,100 6-months actives, thats about 0.70. each. For the 500 or so monthlies, 1.50. Ironically, one of the challenges is that costs are so low that efficient collection is difficult. [08:10] schestowitz I could comment on that but I think its off-topic for here, though Ill post something shortly on my own profile. [08:10] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius [08:10] schestowitz Doc Edward Morbius - about 7 hours ago [08:10] schestowitz Re: per-user costs, Ive expanded on that concept in another post. [08:10] schestowitz LD Smith [08:10] schestowitz LD Smith - about 3 hours ago [08:10] schestowitz Sad to hear that this place is shutting down. I joined over 10 years ago not long after Diaspora started. [08:10] schestowitz Peluza [08:10] schestowitz Peluza - about 2 hours ago [08:10] schestowitz @Doc Edward Morbius very easy to collect it, we can require anual subscription instead of monthly. Thats 18 eur per year. Now, if somebody does not pay, then he will have access only to the page of downloading his data and/or destroying the account. Hence the user can download the data and move away to other pod but he wont be allowed to continue posting on this pod unless he pays. [08:10] schestowitz " [08:10] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896 [08:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/ [08:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [08:10] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab [08:11] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab [08:27] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes [08:36] *techrights_guest|10 (~c0d0a6e4@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techbytes [08:36] *techrights_guest|10 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Jan 30 [09:02] schestowitz = [09:02] schestowitz x https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2022/01/emu-partners-in-creating-new-all-girls-esports-teams-in-michigan.html [09:02] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.mlive.com | EMU partners in creating new, all-girls eSports teams in Michigan - mlive.com [09:02] schestowitz # sharia compliant [09:03] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jan 30 [10:03] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:40] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@asrpphbur8fa4.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Jan 30 [11:01] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2022/01/using-that-classic-piece-of-art-on-book.html?showComment=1643267410279#c4098379236183862840 [11:01] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Using that classic piece of art on a book cover: Grr - The IPKat [11:01] schestowitz "I am in 100% agreement with you! If the artist was still alive, would he exert his moral rights and protest how his painting is being used? I have often thought about this and wondered what would so many of the literary and artistic greats think about how their works are being adapted now!" [11:01] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2022/01/using-that-classic-piece-of-art-on-book.html?showComment=1643249606541#c8579626933252326332 [11:01] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Using that classic piece of art on a book cover: Grr - The IPKat [11:01] schestowitz " [11:01] schestowitz Great point.Congratulations Neil for bringing this copyright aspect to light. I have one observation, though: is it possible to consider licensing agreements in this discussion? [11:01] schestowitz I was wondering whether artworks from past centuries onwards would have had a licensing agreement on copyrighted artwork or the absence is more the informal rule until the late XIX century. [11:01] schestowitz I might add that many artists have included licensing agreements in their agreements for public events in recent times. But in the Art Nouveau and Art Deco times and prior to that... Rarity. Perhaps this would be due to a certain absence of business skills to negotiate these contracts at that time or even due to their economic position in the market, which is attained to the economics side of copyrights. [11:01] schestowitz An insider in business/artistic skills merging into one individual is rare, it comes to my mind, Pablo Picasso or August Rodin. [11:01] schestowitz Accruing profit from the artwork would be left to the heirs or whoever would be in charge of their assets. [11:01] schestowitz I am not familiar with Jane Austin's book cover and the artist's biography but I am aware that last century artists like Amedeo Modigliani died in misery (although he came from a rich family). His only daughter was perhaps able to secure some financial gain from his art, perhaps some licensing agreements to his artwork in public collections are easier to follow up, which is a small fraction of what his artwork is retained and sold for in auction [11:01] schestowitz houses ( with all the rights attained to it). [11:01] schestowitz I would be very impressed if this Penguin book art cover [11:01] schestowitz Is subject to a licensing agreement negotiated by the artist or their representatives before the 1930s. [11:01] schestowitz I wonder whether there is an interest in the historical side of rights of reproduction and image from past centuries artists, e.g. Henry de Toulouse Lautrec, Edgar Degas, Piet Mondrian, etc... Mondrian had his artwork reproduced on Yves Saint-Laurent 70s fashion couture, for instance. [11:01] schestowitz Looking at the past, we could see the evolution of this crucial image and reproduction rights that are as valuable as the artwork itself. [11:01] schestowitz " [11:01] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2022/01/using-that-classic-piece-of-art-on-book.html?showComment=1643120557640#c5923356043504268114 [11:01] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Using that classic piece of art on a book cover: Grr - The IPKat [11:01] schestowitz "How is this different than sampling a piece of music? In both cases, the context is lost and any integrity the original music had is lost." [11:02] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2022/01/using-that-classic-piece-of-art-on-book.html?showComment=1643111099283#c6059795546224046188 [11:02] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Using that classic piece of art on a book cover: Grr - The IPKat [11:02] schestowitz "this reminds me of hokusai's rather famous tsunami print. the work was part of a series depicting various views of the sacred Mount Fuji and how it blended into, yet loomed over, Japanese life of the time. This image is apparently now one of the most copied (and distorted) images in the world. The significance of Mt Fuji often carelessly removed. " [11:02] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/12/breaking-board-of-appeal-finds-no-legal.html?showComment=1643039482301#c6795434625946650543 [11:02] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Board of Appeal finds no legal basis for the requirement to amend the description in line with the claims (T 1989/18) - The IPKat [11:02] schestowitz " [11:02] schestowitz Someone back in this thread said that the requirement of conforming the description to the amended claims is unique to the EPO. Not correct: it is a feature of practice in at least one member states of the EPC, which (I believe) is why it came to the attention of the EPO. However, I do think the EPO made a BIG mess of reinforcing practice in this area, and the guidelines were overkill/over-interpreted. To make matters worse, the examiners did not [11:02] schestowitz really know the reasons, and would just explain that "our managers" require it. [11:02] schestowitz To make my first point concrete, there is case law in the UK that failure to excise a no-longer-covered embodiment can lead to the finding that a specficiation was not framed with reasonable skill. This does not render a patent completly unenforceable, but it can have severe consequences on damages for past ifnringement, when a patent is found to be "partially valid" under S 63 of the Patents Act 1977. The case is Rediffusion Simulation Ltd v Link [11:02] schestowitz Miles Ltd, 1992 WL 895277 (1992). Headnote (8) says "there was a lack of reasonable skill in framing the specification if a patent agent had failed to make such consequential amendments as were necessary when a claim was altered ". From memory, the embodiment of Fig 6 of the drawings was no longer within the scope of the amended claims, but was still described as an embodiment of the invention in the granted specification. [11:02] schestowitz Anonymous (13Jan) has it right when they say that to see every sentence of the description starting with "In some embodiments" is not really helpful to anyone. To base amendments on this "modern" (aka "lazy scattergun") style of description while meeting the "Gold Standard" becomes very difficult, not only amendments of the description but also amendments of the claims. [11:02] schestowitz " [11:02] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2022/01/off-we-go-unified-patent-court-is.html?showComment=1642964307606#c7972842441505181096 [11:02] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Off we go! 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