●● IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, October 30, 2021 ●● ● Oct 30 [02:36] MinceR what subject is that? [02:40] schestowitz http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/10/28/member-states-will-sign-declaration-to-clear-way-for-preparatory-phase-unified-patent-court/#comments [02:40] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Member States will sign Declaration to clear way for preparatory phase Unified Patent Court - Kluwer Patent Blog [02:41] schestowitz MinceR: it is about the national securityy article [02:41] schestowitz backup of censored comments: [02:41] schestowitz " [02:41] schestowitz Sander Coleman [02:41] schestowitz October 28, 2021 at 10:57 pm [02:41] schestowitz A clear VCLT violation, you cannot reinterpret crystal clear provisions to overhide Brexit. [02:41] schestowitz Now the question is how to challenge that in court. [02:41] schestowitz Reply [02:41] schestowitz Francine DELGOFFE [02:41] schestowitz October 28, 2021 at 11:40 pm [02:41] schestowitz It also pointed out that the Protocol on Privileges and Immunities entered into force as of the day of the meeting, 27 October 2021, one month after Germany deposited its instrument of ratification. So far there has not been much discussion about the PPIs article 18(1), which states the United Kingdom has to support the PPI as well. [02:41] schestowitz How to violate the Vienna Convention of the Law of the Treaties. [02:41] schestowitz https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Otto-von-Bismarck-said-The-agreements-signed-by-Russia-arent-worth-the-price-of-the-sheet-of-paper-they-are-written-on [02:41] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.quora.com | Is it true that Otto von Bismarck said, 'The agreements signed by Russia aren't worth the price of the sheet of paper they are written on'? - Quora [02:41] schestowitz Reply [02:41] schestowitz Extraneous Attorney [02:41] schestowitz October 29, 2021 at 10:10 am [02:41] schestowitz This attempt at authentic interpretation is baffling to say the least. No amount of interpretation can override the meaning of a legal text where there is no ambiguity. In Art. 7(2) UPCA, London unambiguously means London. And even more importantly, in the PPA, the United Kingdom unambiguously means the United Kingdom. Hence, the PPA cannot enter into force as written. Nothing is actually solved by this purported [02:41] schestowitz authentic interpretation. [02:41] schestowitz I fear that if this train of thought continues until the UPC is set up, the entire thing may crash and burn spectacularly at the first challenge before the ECJ where it is alleged that a decision of the UPC was handed down illegally because it should have been handed down in London. [02:41] schestowitz Reply [02:41] schestowitz Patent robot [02:41] schestowitz October 29, 2021 at 11:20 am [02:41] schestowitz If you interpret Italy as being United Kingdom interpreting art. 89 UPCA (the three necessary MS are Germany, France and Italy) , then with the same authentic interpretation the three sections of art. 7 UPCA are based in Paris, Munich and Milan. [02:41] schestowitz Reply [02:41] schestowitz Extraneous Attorney [02:41] schestowitz October 29, 2021 at 12:44 pm [02:41] schestowitz Why Milan, and not, say, Livorno, Lecce, La Spezia or Lucca? After all, the names of all these fine cities in Italy starts with an L, like London, while Milans does not. [02:41] schestowitz Of course, I am being tongue-in-cheek here. The real point is that just because some proponents of the UPC would have things a certain way does not mean that the relevant legal provisions enable them to. [02:41] schestowitz Also, would it not be a little odd if the UPC contracting states went ahead with this blatant disregard of the clear letter of a treaty, while at the same time chastising a certain EU member state east of the Oder for allegedly doing the same? [02:41] schestowitz Reply [02:41] schestowitz Patent robot [02:41] schestowitz October 29, 2021 at 4:28 pm [02:41] schestowitz I was just referring to the sentence However, interpreting the United Kingdom to mean Italy does not help to solve the issue with Art. 7(2) UPCA, which instead refers to London. of the article. [02:42] schestowitz It the authentic interpretation is so powerful to create the United Kingdom of Italy, then the same interpretation can be applied, even more easily, to art. 7 UPCA, which can be interpreted as such: The central division shall have its seat and two sections in three cities, each chosen by one of the three MS of art. 89 UPCA. [02:42] schestowitz As I wrote before, I am stiil convinced that the only solution is to amend the PAP and the UPCA. [02:42] schestowitz P.S.: actually, there is a town called Londa in Italy [02:42] schestowitz Reply [02:42] schestowitz Patent robot [02:42] schestowitz October 29, 2021 at 11:41 am [02:42] schestowitz After the dynamic interpretation and the authentic interpretation what next? The 100%-guaranteed interpretation? [02:42] schestowitz Reply [02:42] schestowitz A mind willing not to defeat the object and purpose of a treaty prior to its entry into force [02:42] schestowitz October 29, 2021 at 8:45 pm [02:42] schestowitz Nobody discusses VCLT Article 18 Obligation not to defeat the object and purpose of a treaty prior to its entry into force [02:42] schestowitz A State is obliged to refrain from acts which would defeat the object and purpose of a treaty when: [02:42] schestowitz (a) it has signed the treaty or has exchanged instruments constituting the treaty subject to ratification, acceptance or approval, until it shall have made its intention clear not to become a party to the treaty; or [02:42] schestowitz (b) it has expressed its consent to be bound by the treaty, pending the entry into force of the treaty and provided that such entry into force is not unduly delayed. [02:42] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [02:42] schestowitz Reply [02:42] schestowitz Francine DELGOFFE [02:42] schestowitz October 29, 2021 at 10:12 pm [02:42] schestowitz hence giving him the mandate to organize a signing ceremony of the Declaration [02:42] schestowitz Democracy at work, none of those delegations have received any mandate from their national parliament. [02:42] schestowitz In CETA, only 3 parliaments over 28 discussed the text. [02:42] schestowitz " [02:42] MinceR i see [02:50] schestowitz some comments are suppressed [02:50] schestowitz UPC fanatics try to cheat [02:50] schestowitz the media also covers up for Microsoft re security [02:50] schestowitz Mitchell was threatened by Microsoft [02:50] schestowitz and the platform [02:50] schestowitz citing 'privacy' [02:50] schestowitz because he showed emails from colleagues at Microsoft [02:51] schestowitz we're still quite good at resisting slapp etc. [02:51] schestowitz and bribes [02:51] schestowitz Novell's last CEO had a go at us years ago [02:51] schestowitz failed miserably (his lawyers) [02:51] schestowitz maybe in Hungary they would have had more success [02:52] schestowitz looks like Orban even managed to take over 'hostile' and 'foreign' media [02:53] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:53] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:53] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:59] schestowitz https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/ [02:59] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-linuxfoundation.org | Blog - Linux Foundation [02:59] schestowitz no clownflare [02:59] schestowitz https://linuxfoundation.org/b [02:59] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ https://linuxfoundation.org/b ) ● Oct 30 [03:00] schestowitz https://linuxfoundation.org/ [03:00] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-linuxfoundation.org | Linux Foundation - Decentralized innovation, built with trust [03:00] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techbytes [03:01] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techbytes [03:01] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techbytes [03:01] schestowitz https://www.linux.com/ [03:01] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.linux.com | Linux.com - News For Open Source Professionals [03:09] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@vc3q2vduvxhz8.irc) has joined #techbytes [03:25] schestowitz https://twitter.com/helisa_is/status/1454187767488032771 [03:25] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@helisa_is: Yeah, Id like to follow that $878,00 paid her husbands consulting firm. https://t.co/5wku3SbSZ9 [03:25] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: NEWS #TruthOut #IlhanOmar Says "Follow the Money" in Rebuke to Conservative Democrats https://t.co/tTAW9oyfdH [03:26] schestowitz https://nitter.eu/glynmoody/status/1454105728164245518 [03:26] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-nitter.eu | Glyn Moody (@glynmoody): ""Under inclusive access, colleges simply charge students for digital textbooks and materials on their tuition billand their access often expires when the course is over. This automatic billing only serves to ensnare students. "" | nitter [03:26] schestowitz https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1454103273133182979 [03:26] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @schestowitz @FFII Too late when UPC is in force. [03:26] schestowitz https://twitter.com/0xFreak71/status/1454071694860095490 [03:26] -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@0xFreak71: @schestowitz , mail VPN... , . ● Oct 30 [05:14] *ebin has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:19] *ebin (~ebin@dne4qqwj27qau.irc) has joined #techbytes [05:46] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:47] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes [05:58] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Oct 30 [09:00] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:03] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techbytes ● Oct 30 [10:34] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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