Techrights logo

IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, February 01, 2020

Join us now at the IRC channel.

MinceRhttps://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/01/da65b21d96a4a1ca.mp4Feb 01 00:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Sad news about Scott Rifenbark http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133573 [https://pleroma.site/objects/81adc128-0af3-4a54-b06e-ee5ef1afc952]Feb 01 00:23
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133574 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0ffdb3e2-f2fa-4aad-b4d5-04c2d6eb6eaa]Feb 01 00:24
-->schestowitz (~roy@host81-154-169-104.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 00:28
<--schestowitz has quit (Changing host)Feb 01 00:28
-->schestowitz (~roy@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 00:28
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Frictional Games, Saint Kotar: The Yellow Mask, Battledroid and Volcanoids http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133575 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5a3f2117-4327-4513-8e5a-1490ecd0eddf]Feb 01 01:30
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133576 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1bb9fe02-e9a1-4166-acd9-d676ad8d6b48]Feb 01 01:34
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 01:48
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 01:48
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I got Mandy's Chromebook set up.Feb 01 02:14
DaemonFC[m]I installed the Linux subsystem on it.Feb 01 02:14
DaemonFC[m]Got LibreOffice installed.Feb 01 02:14
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 02:18
DaemonFC[m]I might try Debian again.Feb 01 02:49
DaemonFC[m]These anti-GPL hit pieces that suggest nobody is using it....Feb 01 03:29
DaemonFC[m]It's dropped by a few percent, but since 2011 the number of packages in Debian has also doubled.Feb 01 03:29
DaemonFC[m]So you kind of have to consider that too.Feb 01 03:29
DaemonFC[m]The Linux subsystem on Chrome OS is all over the place. Based on Debian, but with Apt sources on Google servers. One of the keys actually expired and Apt wouldn't finish updating, and then the bug on Google's tracker had a Google engineer telling someone import a key from an Ubuntu server.Feb 01 03:31
DaemonFC[m]https://www.alternet.org/2020/01/trump-bragged-his-wall-couldnt-be-knocked-down-a-long-section-just-got-blown-down-by-the-wind/Feb 01 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump bragged his wall couldn’t be knocked down. A long section just got blown over by the wind – Alternet.orgFeb 01 04:38
-->factor (~factor@47-217-123-141.mskgcmta02.res.dyn.suddenlink.net) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 05:07
<--cybrNaut has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)Feb 01 05:25
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Diversity at the Australian Open Tennis, Margaret Court and the FSF's Richard Stallman http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133577 [https://pleroma.site/objects/180df1bb-4fcb-4697-b43e-7452179a0985]Feb 01 05:28
-->cybrNaut (~cybrNaut@rrcs-67-53-148-69.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 05:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: First Linux-powered Ryzen V1000 thin client can drive four displays http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133578 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7380ea2f-0bca-4ff7-a3bc-6399cc23d934]Feb 01 05:48
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: F2FS Experimental Compression Is Ready For Extending Flash Storage Life http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133579 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c3b5eddc-9262-40f1-9ffd-28af30698466]Feb 01 05:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 4 Key Changes to Look Out for in Linux Kernel 5.6 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133580 [https://pleroma.site/objects/75450d57-5c42-4a9f-9cf9-eedee2efdbe4]Feb 01 06:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Patches, Google, and Amazon http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133581 [https://pleroma.site/objects/39c99708-4b4e-418e-b711-4ea1cc76409f]Feb 01 06:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Privacy and Matrix Instance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133582 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a9d18863-9cbf-4d8c-8769-c3634a712b43]Feb 01 06:42
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133583 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8ceeb2cd-0636-4d79-911a-b8b39431b8c2]Feb 01 06:46
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Opposition grows to Microsoft's make-Chrome-use-Bing plan for Office 365 customers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133584 [https://pleroma.site/objects/221201f6-a5ee-49c1-971d-ebb8ba082494]Feb 01 06:57
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Charmed OSM release SEVEN: Container network functions http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133585 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d773943f-383d-4e6d-a5fd-d2dee24c14fc]Feb 01 07:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: GNU, Web Development Tools, HPVM and Perl Weekly Challenge http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133586 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a6133907-7665-47b1-bd6a-b065025f4040]Feb 01 07:22
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: really that wind was not exactly that fast did they fail to obey the old fencing rule of 1/3 in ground.Feb 01 08:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Kernel 5.6 adds support for USB4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133587 [https://pleroma.site/objects/180b2410-9a4f-4b2d-b2ed-f996de129d48]Feb 01 08:25
-->mmu_man (~revol@151.216.129.65) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 08:30
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Node.js rival Deno emphasizes security http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133588 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8edc1ca6-0300-4a87-a348-c45c76489ccb]Feb 01 08:32
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FOSDEM 2020 Opens Its Doors in Brussels to Open Source Developers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133590 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2e945f37-94af-4560-99ed-ef2f74fdcd58]Feb 01 08:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: ExifTool is an open source and cross-platform metadata editor http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133589 [https://pleroma.site/objects/38ab21f6-03a6-4d0c-865e-1f5b798709c0]Feb 01 08:39
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Arch Linux 2020.02.01 Is Now Available for Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133591 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3f5babc4-35c8-4818-891f-18f32d3136c4]Feb 01 08:40
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133592 [https://pleroma.site/objects/499ef55b-e301-49f6-852f-d3a38d7ec08a]Feb 01 08:42
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)Feb 01 08:42
-->mmu_man (~revol@151.216.129.65) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 08:48
-->sysdharma (rodolphoec@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/rodolphoeck) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 08:53
<--sysdharma has quit (Client Quit)Feb 01 08:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The 25 Best Linux Compilers for Modern Developers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133593 [https://pleroma.site/objects/52cdb6d2-42fb-4bc1-8495-aa16d1d99d36]Feb 01 08:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Intel and CPU Defects http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133594 [https://pleroma.site/objects/feb3dbf6-8a11-4222-b8a4-d9f48e765ac2]Feb 01 09:11
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE and GNOME: KDE Itinerary, Rust/GStreamer and Vala http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133595 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8a5a453d-b04a-4c3d-8dca-f8108db2f1f1]Feb 01 09:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM: Red Hat's CEO, Fedora Manament, Oracle Linux and OpenShift http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133596http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133596 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bf0c1125-d9e0-4458-b10f-5d49b60bf759]Feb 01 09:22
<--Hail_Spacecake has quit (Quit: Hail_Spacecake)Feb 01 09:34
-->sysdharma (rodolphoec@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/rodolphoeck) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 10:15
schestowitz[02:14] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: I got Mandy's Chromebook set up.Feb 01 10:24
schestowitzcrostini?Feb 01 10:24
schestowitzcruoton?Feb 01 10:24
schestowitzcrtx?Feb 01 10:25
schestowitzdon't do this https://itsfoss.com/install-linux-chromebook/Feb 01 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-itsfoss.com | How to Install Linux on Chromebook [Step-by-Step Guide]Feb 01 10:27
schestowitzthey can powercycle and wash away your chrootFeb 01 10:27
schestowitzand if you don't back it up, then it's all goneFeb 01 10:27
schestowitzwithout even warning youFeb 01 10:27
schestowitzuse GalliumOSFeb 01 10:27
schestowitzor dual-bootFeb 01 10:27
schestowitzCTRL+D or CTRL+L at bootFeb 01 10:28
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GalliumOSFeb 01 10:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | GalliumOS - WikipediaFeb 01 10:28
schestowitzhttps://wiki.galliumos.org/Welcome_to_the_GalliumOS_WikiFeb 01 10:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.galliumos.org | GalliumOS WikiFeb 01 10:28
schestowitzgo to https://chrx.org/Feb 01 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chrx.org | chrxFeb 01 10:29
schestowitzI did lots of this recentlyFeb 01 10:29
schestowitznot for my own laptopFeb 01 10:29
schestowitzyou might need to unscrew a binary thingFeb 01 10:29
schestowitzjust make sure you have a good screw driverFeb 01 10:29
schestowitzthen you dual bootFeb 01 10:29
schestowitzand Google won't mess with itFeb 01 10:29
schestowitzwon't spy on traffic, eitherFeb 01 10:30
schestowitz"Feb 01 10:30
schestowitz    Enable Developer Mode (process is model-specific; for Acer C720, press ESC+F3(Refresh)+Power), then rebootFeb 01 10:30
schestowitz    Load ChromeOS by pressing CTRL+D at the white "OS verification is OFF" screenFeb 01 10:30
schestowitz    Configure your Wi-Fi network if necessary, then log in (Guest account is fine)Feb 01 10:30
schestowitz    Open the ChromeOS Terminal by pressing CTRL+ALT+T, and enter shell at the promptFeb 01 10:30
schestowitz    Update firmware, if necessary (required for Bay Trail, Braswell, and Apollo Lake models; recommended for Broadwell, Skylake, and Kaby Lake models; optional for Haswell models -- see chromebooks)Feb 01 10:30
schestowitz    Run chrx: cd ; curl -Os https://chrx.org/go && sh go (see options)Feb 01 10:30
schestowitz    Follow on-screen instructions to prepare your Chromebook for installationFeb 01 10:30
schestowitz    Reboot, then repeat steps 2-4 and 6 to install and configure your new systemFeb 01 10:30
schestowitz"Feb 01 10:30
schestowitzIt's really that simplyFeb 01 10:30
schestowitz*simpleFeb 01 10:30
schestowitzprovided you allow it to boot 'foreign' OSFeb 01 10:30
schestowitzfirst, you make a partition for itFeb 01 10:30
schestowitzit's very simply, one commandFeb 01 10:30
schestowitzthen you choose a distroFeb 01 10:30
schestowitzlet it install itself on the new partititonFeb 01 10:30
schestowitznot intimidating once you did this in the pastFeb 01 10:31
schestowitzand a good skill if you want to convert cheap laptops into gnu/linux workstationFeb 01 10:31
schestowitzgood luck, DaemonFC[m]Feb 01 10:31
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Feb 01 10:46
<--sysdharma has quit (Quit: dun goofed...)Feb 01 10:50
scientesThat Russian dismissive attitude comes from a genuine faith in Jesus, that then becomes its own religion.Feb 01 11:16
XRevan86scientes: Boy you dig deepFeb 01 11:16
scientesXRevan86, 1 secFeb 01 11:17
scientesabout to dig deeperFeb 01 11:17
scientesDamn, I can't find the episode of winnie the pooh I am thinking ofFeb 01 11:19
scientesjust a bunch of others (besides the first) that I haven't seen yetFeb 01 11:19
scientesBTW, in US History class one of my assignments was reading "The Tao of Pooh"Feb 01 11:19
XRevan86Jesus the Pooh?Feb 01 11:20
scientesand in the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tsu says "the ideologues are not intelligent, the intelligent are not ideologues"Feb 01 11:20
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19122436Feb 01 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectFeb 01 11:21
scientesAnyways, in the one I was thinking of Vinne Poh brings honey as a gift, but eats it all on the way.Feb 01 11:22
XRevan86scientes: That was in the first episode.Feb 01 11:22
XRevan86Explains why you cannot find it, since you exclude the first episode from your query :)Feb 01 11:23
XRevan86oh, wait, that was the second oneFeb 01 11:25
XRevan86* third oneFeb 01 11:26
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh_and_a_Busy_Day this oneFeb 01 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Winnie-the-Pooh and a Busy Day - WikipediaFeb 01 11:26
XRevan86scientes: Anyway, it's about Winnie the Pooh being dismissive or something, he just did the Winnie the Pooh thing (couldn't resist) and then did a U-turn on what gift he's bringingFeb 01 11:36
scientesXRevan86, indeedFeb 01 11:47
scienteswhich was quite funnyFeb 01 11:47
scientesand perhaps endearingFeb 01 11:47
scientesXRevan86, so there were multiple stories in the first episode?Feb 01 11:48
scientesDespite the very first story saying "there are many other stories---and mentioning the names of some of the others, including piglet, egor et cetera, ---but ..."Feb 01 11:49
XRevan86scientes: It means the bookFeb 01 11:49
scientesthat one has "stranger" but Piglet doesn't know what piglet meansFeb 01 11:49
scientes*piglet doesn't know what that word stranger meansFeb 01 11:50
scientesXRevan86, ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, the bookFeb 01 11:50
scientes(which I read)Feb 01 11:50
scientesalso, Peter the RabbitFeb 01 11:50
scientesbut that is more christianFeb 01 11:50
XRevan86scientes: It's just three episodes, which evidently you all saw.Feb 01 11:50
XRevan86and then they kind of tell you "want more? go read a book"Feb 01 11:50
scienteswhile Winnie the Pooh is purer in the message it is trying to get accrossFeb 01 11:50
scientesXRevan86, nah, I only saw the first two storiesFeb 01 11:50
scientes"Winnie: Do I look like a rain cloud? Piglet: нет, не очин.Feb 01 11:51
XRevan86bees, visiting and the Eeyore's tailFeb 01 11:51
XRevan86three episodesFeb 01 11:51
XRevan86не очень – not very muchFeb 01 11:52
scientesXRevan86, yes, again I have problems with the vowels, because in English I just ignore them (but annoyingly memorize them)Feb 01 11:52
scientesa large part of this is the English əFeb 01 11:53
scienteswell, actually the English ɻFeb 01 11:54
scienteswhich renders the vowels as əFeb 01 11:54
scientesand yet the old vowel, before ɻ, is still there, for posterity (bullshit)Feb 01 11:54
scientesand we are required to memorize itFeb 01 11:54
scientesand even you have mem*o*rized all these fossil vowelsFeb 01 11:55
XRevan86scientes: well, https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ИканьеFeb 01 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ru.wikipedia.org | Иканье — ВикипедияFeb 01 11:55
scientesThanks for reminding me to keep practicing my RussianFeb 01 11:55
XRevan86scientes: So what piglet says is "ñe ochiñ"Feb 01 11:56
XRevan86е is indeed reduced to иFeb 01 11:56
XRevan86but you missed that n is palatalised :)Feb 01 11:56
scienteshehehe, that old palatizationFeb 01 11:56
scientesI did go to church service in Russian wendsdayFeb 01 11:58
scientesdidn't really understand anything besides.Feb 01 11:59
scientes....its much harder in my IRC client than on my phone where I have a dictionary (and even voice recognition)Feb 01 11:59
scienteswhen I learned English I relied heavily on the spell checkerFeb 01 12:00
scienteswhich Dmitry Orlov talks about: at least we know if something is a word or notFeb 01 12:00
scientesbut that was in my 6th year of schoolFeb 01 12:00
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel_reduction_in_Russian an article in English about ikanye/akanyeFeb 01 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Vowel reduction in Russian - WikipediaFeb 01 12:00
scientesand by that time Russian students already have reading and writing "down pat"Feb 01 12:00
XRevan86scientes: Not knowing a word in English is the worst, yesFeb 01 12:00
scientesXRevan86, but it is a learned experience, I have learned that it is important to *not* study grammar or pronunciation, et ceteraFeb 01 12:01
scientesthe only purpose of such things is to solidify ones understanding *after* learning thingsFeb 01 12:01
scientesand to objectify itFeb 01 12:01
XRevan86scientes: Well, there are important parts of pronunciation and there are unimportant partsFeb 01 12:01
XRevan86vowel reduction is not important obviouslyFeb 01 12:02
scientesXRevan86, and I can learn all of those singing the songs at church (which was *super* difficult)Feb 01 12:02
XRevan86scientes: Signing… well, then it's not exactly Russian ;)Feb 01 12:02
scientesbut yes, you said before that Russian is *not* phonetic, and of course you are rightFeb 01 12:02
scientes*singing XRevan86 Feb 01 12:02
XRevan86oops :DFeb 01 12:03
scientes(looks back) oh yes, I had it rightFeb 01 12:03
scientesyou are the confused oneFeb 01 12:03
XRevan86Muscle memory, I need the word "sign" a lot more often than "sing"Feb 01 12:03
scientesbut still much easier than English, was I was still learning after my (non-existant) bar mitzvohFeb 01 12:03
scientesXRevan86, which have different vowels, thus why I totally ignore vowels in English writingFeb 01 12:04
XRevan86scientes: Singing in church is done in Church Slavonic (the Moscovian variant)Feb 01 12:04
scientesand am having...Feb 01 12:04
scienteswhile I am having difficulty learning the Russian vowels, eventually it will be rewarding to have confidence in themFeb 01 12:04
XRevan86⇒ not exactly RussianFeb 01 12:04
scientesI guess Spanish is the same, but I like the *new experience* of learning new scriptsFeb 01 12:05
scientesXRevan86, this is Jehovah's Witness----orthodox church service here is in Georgian, and when I went the morning after I expelled *everything*, including my bile---in order to burn a candel and give thanks for being alive---they refused me communionFeb 01 12:05
scientesthey even had me hand it back (!)Feb 01 12:06
XRevan86scientes: Oh, that I have absolutely no clue aboutFeb 01 12:06
XRevan86"after I expelled *everything*, including my bile" – uh…Feb 01 12:08
XRevan86you mean puked?Feb 01 12:08
XRevan86intentionally?Feb 01 12:08
scientesnot intentionallyFeb 01 12:08
scientesI was sickFeb 01 12:08
scientesstomach bugFeb 01 12:08
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: BSD: HardenedBSD and AsiaBSDCon http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133597 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7fc83d1f-3b72-4627-b435-b2529d31d010]Feb 01 12:08
-->sysdharma (rodolphoec@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/rodolphoeck) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 12:09
XRevan86You worded it like it's a prerequisite for the ceremonyFeb 01 12:09
scientesnoFeb 01 12:09
scientesI was on the couch, feeling sick, curled up into a ballFeb 01 12:09
scientesand then i started vomittingFeb 01 12:09
scientesand then I also had diarriahFeb 01 12:09
scientesand then the bile came upFeb 01 12:10
scientessoapy, *very* important to eat some bread to wash down the bile and protect the throat, which is not made for thatFeb 01 12:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133598 [https://pleroma.site/objects/696773ec-8481-4d92-b6e3-aad1f2f41865]Feb 01 12:12
scientesand when I drank some whole milk the next day, I didn't have enough bile to digest itFeb 01 12:12
scientesand I think my poop was even a little oily because of thatFeb 01 12:12
XRevan86scientes: get betterFeb 01 12:13
scientesthis was over a month agoFeb 01 12:13
XRevan86scientes: oh, I'll need my TARDIS thenFeb 01 12:14
*XRevan86 sends "get better" back to the pastFeb 01 12:14
XRevan86scientes: Did it work? :)Feb 01 12:14
scientesheheheheheheheheFeb 01 12:14
*scientes did not watch that seriesFeb 01 12:15
scientesbut appreciated the Monty PythonFeb 01 12:15
scientesgoing back in time and giving Shakespeare a ballpoint penFeb 01 12:15
scientesand then when the went forward in time and mentioned Shakespeare---"the inventor of the ballpoint pen?"Feb 01 12:15
scientes:)Feb 01 12:15
scientesso they realized the time-travel was pretty dangerousFeb 01 12:15
*XRevan86 thinks that even having a ballpoint pen won't make one able to replicate itFeb 01 12:16
XRevan86as it requires a level of industrial sophisticationFeb 01 12:16
XRevan86apart from that the design is pretty simple anywayFeb 01 12:17
scientesXRevan86, I think you are rightFeb 01 12:17
scientesBut in "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" he says that you would never made ball bearing yourselfFeb 01 12:17
XRevan86scientes: A ballpoint pen is a bit simpler than thatFeb 01 12:22
scientesyou still need the ballFeb 01 12:23
scientesmuch more complicated than a quillFeb 01 12:23
scientesand seriously, a quill isn't that badFeb 01 12:23
scientesas long as you have high purity india inkFeb 01 12:23
XRevan86scientes: The trick is more about manufacturing said ballFeb 01 12:24
XRevan86hence my pointFeb 01 12:24
scientesyesFeb 01 12:24
scientesit has to be perfectly roundFeb 01 12:24
XRevan86After Shakespeare get a ballpoint pen, he has just one ball.Feb 01 12:24
scientesyou mean testicle?Feb 01 12:24
XRevan86even knowing the end result he still won't be able to get thereFeb 01 12:25
scientesooooooooooooooFeb 01 12:25
XRevan86scientes: A twistFeb 01 12:25
MinceRafaik getting the ink right was also tricky for ballpoint pensFeb 01 12:29
MinceR(not even counting gel ink)Feb 01 12:29
-->mmu_man (~revol@151.216.129.65) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 12:30
<--libertybox has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)Feb 01 12:54
<--acer-box__ has quit (Quit: Konversation term)Feb 01 12:54
-->acer-box (~acer-box@host81-154-169-104.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 12:54
<--acer-box has quit (Changing host)Feb 01 12:54
-->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 12:54
-->libertybox (~schestowi@host81-154-169-104.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 12:54
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Feb 01 12:56
<--acer-box has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Feb 01 12:59
-->acer-box (~acer-box@host81-154-169-104.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 13:00
<--acer-box has quit (Changing host)Feb 01 13:00
-->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 13:00
<--acer-box has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Feb 01 13:00
-->acer-box (~acer-box@host81-154-169-104.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 13:01
<--acer-box has quit (Changing host)Feb 01 13:01
-->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 13:01
<--acer-box has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Feb 01 13:03
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 13:47
<--sysdharma has quit (Quit: dun goofed...)Feb 01 13:52
-->mmu_man (~revol@151.216.129.65) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 13:56
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 14:10
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 14:10
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19122366Feb 01 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectFeb 01 14:13
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Feb 01 14:13
-->mmu_man (~revol@151.216.129.65) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 14:32
-->acer-box (~acer-box@host81-154-169-104.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 14:34
<--acer-box has quit (Changing host)Feb 01 14:34
-->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 14:34
<--acer-box has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Feb 01 14:35
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Feb 01 14:38
-->mmu_man (~revol@151.216.129.65) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 14:41
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)Feb 01 14:49
-->fujisan (uid4207@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qcyzisaiygayjryy) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 14:59
-->acer-box (~acer-box@host81-154-169-104.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:01
<--acer-box has quit (Changing host)Feb 01 15:01
-->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:01
-->libertybox_ (~schestowi@host81-154-169-104.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:01
<--libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Feb 01 15:04
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 15:04
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:05
DaemonFC[m]I usually show my disdain for the state by saying "Oh, that was such a bad idea they made it the law.".Feb 01 15:06
DaemonFC[m]But with regards to Apple products, I say "It's so bad that Apple made it a mandatory part of app design.".Feb 01 15:07
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 15:07
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:08
-->mmu_man (~revol@151.216.129.65) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:13
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YFpWMuqTMRBySomlzlTjlOPb >Feb 01 15:16
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)Feb 01 15:18
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 15:18
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:18
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 15:19
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:19
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 15:20
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:20
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ZAyRJfWGpKMUTwhCoFexLEuz >Feb 01 15:23
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 15:25
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:25
<--schestowitz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Feb 01 15:26
-->schestowitz (~roy@host81-154-169-104.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:26
<--schestowitz has quit (Changing host)Feb 01 15:26
-->schestowitz (~roy@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:26
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 15:28
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:28
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 15:29
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:29
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/xBkjqqAOgKBlRNOaxvWYUZFN >Feb 01 15:31
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 15:31
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:31
DaemonFC[m]If people aren't being tracked, it's easier for a few lazy fucks to bring down the group average by screwing around and lobbing extra work on the people who are working.Feb 01 15:32
DaemonFC[m]It may sound bad that Amazon times people and has quotas, but if it doesn't it will end up having to hire more people to compensate for the ones slowing down and getting in the way, and then it will compensate for that by paying everyone less to keep its labor budget from going up.Feb 01 15:33
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 15:41
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:41
-->mmu_man (~revol@151.216.129.65) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 15:45
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/NFqKMAqClRDPETVdZWHSvBnP >Feb 01 15:45
schestowitzhttps://sciencebusiness.net/news-byte/brexit-looms-here-are-7-things-you-need-know-about-uk-rdFeb 01 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sciencebusiness.net | As Brexit looms, here are 7 things you need to know about UK R&D | Science|BusinessFeb 01 15:46
DaemonFC[m]Even if you use an ancient operating system like Windows 98 and the browsers dry up, the worst that happens is that the last one that worked still does everything it did when it was discontinued. Feb 01 15:48
DaemonFC[m]And there are still a few people working on browsers that still support Windows 98, and they can do that.Feb 01 15:49
schestowitz#techrights won't issue a statement on #redhat CEO becoming president in #ibm becauseFeb 01 15:49
schestowitz1) we don't know his intentFeb 01 15:49
schestowitz2) he's not CEOFeb 01 15:49
schestowitz3) he did not oppose #swpats when I spoke to himFeb 01 15:49
schestowitz4) we don't want to be too optimistic in vain Feb 01 15:49
schestowitz5) we don't want to shame/pressure him (bad taste)Feb 01 15:49
schestowitztime will tell....Feb 01 15:49
DaemonFC[m]Windows Me was amazing, in that it even worked at all.Feb 01 15:50
DaemonFC[m]I came across someone who was still using it on their main computer. Feb 01 15:50
DaemonFC[m]It's not just people hanging on to Windows 7. There's people still on Vista, XP, 9x, 2000....Feb 01 15:51
DaemonFC[m]Eventually all of the computers that ran them will die.Feb 01 15:51
DaemonFC[m]But people are so resistant to change that they'll stick to it. They'll say "Why not? It does everything I need it to.".Feb 01 15:52
DaemonFC[m]We're long past the point where an OS basically did everything it needed to.Feb 01 15:52
DaemonFC[m]Now they're just looking to bloat them with useless junk so you have to buy new computers all the time. (Windows) or they just cease support at some random date (Apple). Feb 01 15:53
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I had to explain to Mandy "You can get a computer with Windows 10 for around $200, but it will be terrible. They cut corners. They never fix firmware bugs or drivers. Windows is a pig so the thing will run like crap.".Feb 01 15:55
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)Feb 01 15:55
DaemonFC[m]"So, you can get one of those and just pray I can put Linux on it, or you can get a Chromebook."Feb 01 15:55
<--Glyphie44_ has quit ()Feb 01 16:11
-->Glyphie44_ (sid163528@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-whsmesobtzuoohpy) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 16:12
DaemonFC[m]From a Facebook post of mine:Feb 01 16:12
DaemonFC[m]"Typically, every decent operating system (cough Linux) has a system copy of a Shared Object, and anything built for that OS can link to that, or third party software (Chrome for example) can statically link to the libraries it needs, and keep them in its own folder. DLL Stomping became a problem on Windows mainly because Windows "developers" are animals and they'll do anything they can get away with, and MicrosoftFeb 01 16:12
DaemonFC[m]ends up quietly backing away and enabling it with more shitty hacks."Feb 01 16:12
DaemonFC[m]That's why Windows is such a mess. If Microsoft actually did "open source" Windows 7, as the FSF asked them to, then people wouldn't like what they saw when the kitchen light came on.Feb 01 16:14
oiaohmReally Microsoft cannot open source windows 7 because there have not been that many new features in Windows 10 that applications need.Feb 01 16:17
XRevan86Nearing the end of Windows XP support software developers couldn't wait to drop itFeb 01 16:19
XRevan86With Windows 7 that doesn't happen.Feb 01 16:19
oiaohmXRevan86: http://kernelex.sourceforge.net/   Question is Windows 7 going todo a Windows 95.Feb 01 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kernelex.sourceforge.net | KernelExFeb 01 16:21
-->mmu_man (~revol@151.216.129.65) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 16:21
XRevan86oiaohm: I want to try that nowFeb 01 16:23
XRevan86Especially since now VirtualBox allegedly supports VMware's video driversFeb 01 16:24
XRevan86Windows 98 or Windows ME…Feb 01 16:24
DaemonFC[m]I got Windows 98 working in VirtualBox a long time ago.Feb 01 16:25
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Now it can probably do custom resolutionsFeb 01 16:27
-->BifrostBot[m]1 (xbothalf-s@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ibarvrpqzwocjmds) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 16:27
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)Feb 01 16:28
MinceR> DLL Stomping became a problem on WindowsFeb 01 16:35
MinceRalso because it hasn't occurred to anyone at microsloth to put the version numbers in the filenameFeb 01 16:36
MinceRand because they like to refer to objects in DLLs by addressFeb 01 16:36
MinceR01 161749 < oiaohm> Really Microsoft cannot open source windows 7 because there have not been that many new features in Windows 10 that applications need.Feb 01 16:37
MinceRsure they canFeb 01 16:37
MinceRthey just don't want toFeb 01 16:37
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYT1QfdfsMFeb 01 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AI "Stop Button" Problem - Computerphile - YouTubeFeb 01 16:43
DaemonFC[m]They open sourced MS-DOS 1 and 2.Feb 01 16:44
DaemonFC[m]Along with some notes to PC OEMs about how to build and customize it.Feb 01 16:44
-->mmu_man (~revol@151.216.129.65) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 16:56
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Feb 01 17:03
*XRevan86 install video drivers from VMware Tools, after a reboot Windows ME updated the resolution and died forever.Feb 01 17:06
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yes, Windows ME...Feb 01 17:09
schestowitzNever used anything after win98 myselfFeb 01 17:09
schestowitzexcept on someone else's terminal etc.Feb 01 17:10
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 17:10
XRevan86schestowitz: For my testing purposes either win9x works, or more precisely, doesn't workFeb 01 17:10
XRevan86A pityFeb 01 17:10
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Their behavior with versioning is inconsistent.Feb 01 17:12
MinceRwell yeah, everything they do they do badly, except for their anti-competitive abusesFeb 01 17:13
DaemonFC[m]I remember seeing the name "msvcr" and it was the 90s, and saying "There's a horrifying thought. The Microsoft VCR. When it doesn't eat a tape it's having a good day.".Feb 01 17:13
XRevan86And it's just a C runtime, because C needs a runtime apparently %)Feb 01 17:14
MinceR:>Feb 01 17:14
DaemonFC[m]KernelEx managed to get Firefox working well enough to use on Windows 9x throughout the life of Firefox 10 ESR.Feb 01 17:14
DaemonFC[m]It was really around Firefox 11 that it started relying on Windows APIs that were neither in Windows 9x nor KernelEx 4.5.2.Feb 01 17:15
DaemonFC[m]I tried to install the Seamonkey web browser in the Linux runtime on Mandy's Chromebook for a laugh, but apparently Debian doesn't package it. There were instructions to enable another APT repository and then install it, but I didn't feel like doing that.Feb 01 17:17
DaemonFC[m]Neither hardware graphics acceleration or hardware video playback decode are supported in the Linux Runtime beta on Chrome OS 79, but maybe in time for 80.Feb 01 17:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133599 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b69acd88-5b8c-4e27-95ce-055387527272]Feb 01 17:19
DaemonFC[m]I'm afraid that changes to the underlying Mozilla platform will make porting Chatzilla to a newer Seamonkey browser impossible, but there's probably too few users that care about it to get it running again.Feb 01 17:24
DaemonFC[m]The ChatZilla website says it's impossible to add to post-Quantum Firefox releases, but oddly it appears to work fine on Seamonkey 2.53.1b1, which is based on Firefox 60.Feb 01 17:24
DaemonFC[m]Quantum began in Firefox 57, but Seamonkey is incompatible with most of it, including WebRender, Quantum CSS, and a few other things. Since Firefox 60 ESR supported being built without any of this and so does Firefox ESR 68, we might have ChatZilla around for a couple more years, but unless it gets some attention soon, that's unlikely to continue.Feb 01 17:24
DaemonFC[m]Rust is used in Seamonkey now, but it has to be because some components of Gecko are using it that aren't strictly part of "Quantum".Feb 01 17:26
-->mmu_man (~revol@151.216.129.65) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 17:32
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 1/2/2020: Scott Rifenbark RIP, #FOSDEM 2020, #HPVM 0.5 Release http://techrights.org/2020/02/01/hpvm-0-5-release/ #gnu #linux #techrights [https://pleroma.site/objects/4e94e60f-71ed-4d42-9bed-0b18ecf575c1]Feb 01 17:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133600 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4e02c1f3-57e6-45d7-a421-9045e526a825]Feb 01 17:34
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Feb 01 17:38
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 17:52
DaemonFC[m]https://www.reddit.com/r/seamonkey/comments/eh72cd/mozilla_doesnt_care_about_seamonkey_or_a_platform/Feb 01 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Mozilla doesn't care about Seamonkey or a platform. Why not adopt Goanna/UXP? : seamonkeyFeb 01 18:13
DaemonFC[m]Me:Feb 01 18:13
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/HGIwQkwLAckPHKDysEppRTaO >Feb 01 18:13
DaemonFC[m]Seamonkey will ultimately live or die with Gecko. For now, relying on the pre-Quantum stuff for CSS parsing and compositing works because it's still in there, but once Mozilla doesn't need it in Firefox, they'll drop it. So it's a stopgap to just rely on the old code.Feb 01 18:15
DaemonFC[m]Mozilla is moving away from it because it's old C++ code that is historically full of bugs, and which does not perform especially well on modern computers.Feb 01 18:17
DaemonFC[m]Judging by the last time MC Straver had to trash his fork of Gecko and rebase, I doubt he'll be able to "maintain" something that Mozilla is really no longer interested in patching up.Feb 01 18:18
schestowitz> Pls don't quote from this e-mail, just from my tweets. I will stop nowFeb 01 18:23
schestowitz> due to pain.Feb 01 18:23
schestowitzPlease rest. You are doing a good and important job. Many are watching and will watch. Guy and ILO are aware (I highlight them).Feb 01 18:23
schestowitz(a source)Feb 01 18:23
<--BifrostBot[m]1 (xbothalf-s@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ibarvrpqzwocjmds) has left #techrights ("User left")Feb 01 18:28
MinceRdidn't you just quote from that e-mail? :>Feb 01 18:33
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 18:36
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 18:36
<--psydruid[m]3 (xpsydrui_2@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-wfoljhrwjwjwkbdw) has left #techrights ("User left")Feb 01 18:38
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 18:40
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 18:40
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 18:40
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 18:40
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 18:41
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 18:41
schestowitzMinceR: no, not the sensitive portionFeb 01 18:41
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 18:41
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 18:41
schestowitzthe email s stays only in "Inbox"Feb 01 18:41
schestowitzand uses a pseudonymFeb 01 18:42
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 18:42
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 18:42
<--cybrNaut has quit (Changing host)Feb 01 18:49
-->cybrNaut (~cybrNaut@unaffiliated/cybrnaut) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 18:49
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable Kernels: 5.5.1, 5.4.17, and 4.19.101 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133601 #kernel #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/633635f3-d27e-4d3c-89cb-4e8f0b6c00a7]Feb 01 18:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Kernel 5.5 Gets First Point Release, It’s Now Ready for Mass Adoption http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133602 [https://pleroma.site/objects/375e17ec-e900-4cd4-a3ca-82365b7b1e27]Feb 01 18:52
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New Sudo Vulnerability Could Allow Attackers to Obtain Full Root Privileges http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133603 [https://pleroma.site/objects/07cfab99-4d17-4255-b5f4-baf9f08a24df]Feb 01 18:55
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133604 [https://pleroma.site/objects/21f159b6-9cdb-40d8-a3c3-0ae926f61f08]Feb 01 18:56
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM: Red Hat's CEO, Fedora Manament, Oracle Linux and OpenShift http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133596 [https://pleroma.site/objects/17a1860d-61cb-404b-804d-c628125d29db]Feb 01 18:59
psydroidmy experience with Windows:Feb 01 19:16
psydroidWindows 95 ate itself within 3 hours of switching on my brandnew computerFeb 01 19:17
psydroidWindows 98 had to be reinstalled more often than I can countFeb 01 19:17
psydroidWindows 2000 corrupted a small 2 GB partition with my documentsFeb 01 19:18
psydroidand that's when I removed it from all of my computersFeb 01 19:18
schestowitz"How to turn the death of Kobe Bryant into up-spin for MICROS~1"Feb 01 19:21
schestowitz> https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/kobe-bryant-wallpaper-download-cryptocurrency-hackers-a9312041.htmlFeb 01 19:21
schestowitz> Feb 01 19:21
schestowitz> "Hackers are attempting to profit from the death of Kobe BryantFeb 01 19:21
schestowitz> <https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/kobe-bryant> by hiding malwareFeb 01 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Kobe Bryant wallpaper shows how hackers exploit mourning fans for cryptocurrency mining | The IndependentFeb 01 19:21
schestowitz> within downloadable pictures of the basketball legend. Researchers atFeb 01 19:21
schestowitz> Microsoft Security Intelligence discovered that a desktop wallpaper"Feb 01 19:22
schestowitz> Feb 01 19:22
schestowitz> I didn't even know MICROS~1 had a “Security Intelligence” department.Feb 01 19:22
schestowitz> Microsoft, the company that made wallpaper dangerous :]Feb 01 19:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Kobe Bryant - latest news, breaking stories and comment - The IndependentFeb 01 19:22
schestowitzLOLFeb 01 19:22
schestowitz.scr was always a bad idea :-)Feb 01 19:22
schestowitzAnyway, can't think if a way to mention this without feeding the trolls. Or Microsoft...Feb 01 19:22
DaemonFC[m]They had those 3d screensavers in Windows 95.Feb 01 19:51
DaemonFC[m]They used OpenGL because DirectX wasn't in the original Windows 95.Feb 01 19:52
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 19:54
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 19:54
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 19:55
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 19:55
-->mmu_man (~revol@91.180.93.235) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 19:57
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 20:00
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 20:00
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 20:01
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 20:01
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 20:06
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 20:06
MinceRhttps://i.redd.it/voxejjxes5e41.jpgFeb 01 20:29
MinceRhttps://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/17/d0cd5ce3d6ae8fba.jpgFeb 01 20:31
DaemonFC[m]https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/ewvve9/can_we_all_agree_on_the_fact_that_reddit_should/Feb 01 20:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Can we all agree on the fact that reddit should stop using the chrome icon to depict a web browser even when you use something else. : firefoxFeb 01 20:55
DaemonFC[m]BaronHKFeb 01 20:55
DaemonFC[m]Can we just agree that they should knock it off and quit spamming their app full of ads?Feb 01 20:55
DaemonFC[m]Whoever wrote this should die in a gas tank explosion after a car accident. It shows up on a lot of sites.Feb 01 20:55
DaemonFC[m]When Google gets some fit and finish on the Debian Linux subsystem, there went anyone with three brain cells touching that had been using Windows laptops.Feb 01 21:07
MinceR(audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/16/a81635f832087430.mp4Feb 01 21:08
psydroidI can see myself buying cheap used laptops for many years, wiping Windows and installing Linux on them for friends and family to useFeb 01 21:14
psydroidthat will give a new dimension to the Windows TaxFeb 01 21:14
-->XRevan86[m] (xmppxrevan@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-tmdijwqmvnjngcrk) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 21:21
XRevan86holy crap, it actually let me inFeb 01 21:22
XRevan86[m]testFeb 01 21:22
XRevan86[m]Okay, this is hilarious.Feb 01 21:22
XRevan86[m]Hi from XMPP through Matrix.Feb 01 21:23
psydroidlolFeb 01 21:24
psydroidhiFeb 01 21:24
XRevan86xmpp:#freenode_#techrights#matrix.org@matrix.org?joinFeb 01 21:24
MinceRwhat a beautiful trainwreck of an ID :>Feb 01 21:25
XRevan86(21:25:33) MinceR: what a beautiful trainwreck of an ID :>Feb 01 21:26
XRevan86[m](21:25:51) MinceR: what a beautiful trainwreck of an ID :>Feb 01 21:26
XRevan86One can see the latency of this contraption.Feb 01 21:26
MinceRlolFeb 01 21:26
-->psydruid2[m] (xmpppsyd_1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-tyknlbnmuzfuzuom) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 21:26
psydroidlol, I should not do thatFeb 01 21:27
-->psydruid[m]3 (xpsydrui_2@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-wfoljhrwjwjwkbdw) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 21:27
MinceReven more so :>Feb 01 21:27
psydruid2[m]because now I joined twice on Matrix via XMPP as well as being on Matrix directlyFeb 01 21:28
<--psydruid2[m] (xmpppsyd_1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-tyknlbnmuzfuzuom) has left #techrightsFeb 01 21:28
XRevan86[m]psydruid2: https://www.pmg.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/leonardo-dicaprio-inception-movie-meme-face.jpgFeb 01 21:29
psydroidI think it's because the bridge is running on Half-Shot's own system or somethingFeb 01 21:29
XRevan86[m]psydroid: Which bridge?Feb 01 21:30
-->psydruid[m]5 (xmpppsyd_2@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ptscwhptgwniqdwe) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 21:30
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/16/349eff7440b31eb4.jpgFeb 01 21:32
psydroidXRevan86: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-bifrostFeb 01 21:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - matrix-org/matrix-bifrost: General purpose bridging with a variety of backends including libpurple and xmpp.jsFeb 01 21:33
XRevan86psydroid: Right. I was asking which – from XMPP to Matrix or from Matrix to FreenodeFeb 01 21:33
psydroidXRevan86: from XMPP to Matrix, the ones from Matrix to Freenode are hosted on matrix.org itselfFeb 01 21:34
psydroidat least I think that is the situation, but now I am not completely sureFeb 01 21:34
psydruid[m]5I just don't understand why the connection from XMPP to Matrix isn't persistentFeb 01 21:37
XRevan86psydroid: You want to use it as a bouncer?Feb 01 21:38
psydroidXRevan86, I am already using Matrix as that, but I was wondering why XMPP doesn't work like that by default, especially if it is connecting to Matrix via a bridgeFeb 01 21:39
XRevan86The bridge is already under strain (and it hasn't been announced, I just guessed that it's there from the yaxim 0.9.9 release announcement and some prior knowledge about bifrost)Feb 01 21:39
XRevan86psydroid: Well, the bridge could keep a connection and log everything into MAM.Feb 01 21:40
XRevan86That's what biboumi does.Feb 01 21:40
XRevan86But that would mean having a MAM log, obviously.Feb 01 21:41
MinceRManual Aimed Missile?Feb 01 21:43
psydroidXRevan86, yeah, I will have to rethink my infrastructure in the future, but so far it seems to work fine. I will set up an XMPP server with biboumi too as an alternative route then too, but actually I started using movim.eu a few days ago as well.Feb 01 21:43
DaemonFC[m]Someone posted an email from the US embassy in Baghdad.Feb 01 21:43
DaemonFC[m]They told someone to knock off the file sharing because it's not allowed on the government internet.Feb 01 21:44
DaemonFC[m]"You drove a meth lab to the airport!?" -Walter WhiteFeb 01 21:44
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 21:44
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 21:44
-->psydread (eace4d91cc@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 21:47
psydreadso this is using biboumi on movim.euFeb 01 21:47
XRevan86It has a biboumi instance?Feb 01 21:49
psydreadyes, it doesFeb 01 21:51
XRevan86Didn't pop up in discovery. I guess it's strictly for local usersFeb 01 21:51
psydruid[m]5It looks like the latency is much lower when using biboumiFeb 01 21:52
XRevan86psydruid[m]5: It indeed does.Feb 01 21:58
<--XRevan86[m] (xmppxrevan@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-tmdijwqmvnjngcrk) has left #techrights ("User left")Feb 01 21:58
XRevan86Phew, it left the room without any issues.Feb 01 21:59
<--psydruid[m]5 (xmpppsyd_2@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ptscwhptgwniqdwe) has left #techrights ("User left")Feb 01 22:00
<--psydread (eace4d91cc@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) has left #techrightsFeb 01 22:00
-->psydread (eace4d91cc@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 22:01
psydreadI guess I'll keep using biboumi for nowFeb 01 22:02
*XRevan86 joined an XMPP MUC through Matrix bifrostFeb 01 22:02
XRevan86from XMPP through Matrix bifrostFeb 01 22:02
XRevan86XMPP → bifrost → Matrix → bifrost → XMPPFeb 01 22:02
psydroidhahaFeb 01 22:03
XRevan86The bifrost → XMPP connection doesn't work though, not sure whyFeb 01 22:03
XRevan86but I can actually observe it %)Feb 01 22:04
<--kaniini has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)Feb 01 22:06
<--viera has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)Feb 01 22:06
psydroidI guess most of this stuff is pretty much still in betaFeb 01 22:08
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/17/af27440369885545.jpgFeb 01 22:17
DaemonFC[m]https://torrentfreak.com/instagram-uses-dmca-complaint-to-protect-users-copyrighted-works-200130/Feb 01 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Instagram Uses DMCA Complaint to Protect Users' "Copyrighted Works" - TorrentFreakFeb 01 22:22
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/eyGRuoWofIKcxfmQzXQzRJSr >Feb 01 22:23
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 22:25
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 22:25
-->Hail_Spacecake (~weechat@lobsters/users/hailspacecake/x-84238744) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 23:18
MinceRhttps://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/16/38a327e6ce302d4f.mp4Feb 01 23:21
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 23:27
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 23:35
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 23:38
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 23:38
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 23:40
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 23:41
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 23:43
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 23:43
schestowitzRe: Interesting video> "It seems lobbyists want my videos censored"Feb 01 23:48
schestowitz> Feb 01 23:48
schestowitz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GCsXL_prYwFeb 01 23:48
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2019/08/04/righttorepair/Feb 01 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It seems lobbyists want my videos censored. I'M NOT DOING IT. - YouTubeFeb 01 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s War on the Right to Repair (One’s Own Computers) Makes Lundgren an ‘Enemy’ to Microsoft | TechrightsFeb 01 23:48
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 23:50
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 23:50
<--smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrightsFeb 01 23:56
-->smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrightsFeb 01 23:56

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!