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schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: pingNov 01 00:00
schestowitzI got an answer backNov 01 00:01
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAm around but not wholly awakeNov 01 00:01
schestowitzwould sftp access suit you, chrooted?Nov 01 00:01
schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: ok, speak later thenNov 01 00:01
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYeah. Tomorrow morning is a better timeNov 01 00:01
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schestowitzewww... snapsNov 01 01:01
schestowitz 01 01:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Install gopher-yujinrobot on CentOS using the Snap Store | SnapcraftNov 01 01:01
schestowitzthe leading person of snaps left some weeks ago, iircNov 01 01:02
schestowitzputting gopherd on centos would not be simpleNov 01 01:02
schestowitz 01 01:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GoFish Gopher ServerNov 01 01:03
schestowitzanyone has experience with this one?Nov 01 01:03
schestowitznot updated for agesNov 01 01:03
schestowitz"Last modified: Sun Dec 15 20:11:42 EST 2002"Nov 01 01:04
schestowitzwowNov 01 01:04
schestowitz 01 01:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | gopher(1)Nov 01 01:04
schestowitz"Nov 01 01:04
schestowitzThe  Internet  Gopher(tm)  software  anddocumentation is copyright (c)Nov 01 01:05
schestowitz       1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 by the Universityof Minnesota.Nov 01 01:05
schestowitz"Nov 01 01:05
schestowitzAncient stuffNov 01 01:05
schestowitzneed to research this further before tinkering and maybe breaking something on productionNov 01 01:05
schestowitzwe don't have a live test serverNov 01 01:05
schestowitzAriadne: do you have gopher experience from the pleroma work of laine (iirc the name correctly)?Nov 01 01:06
schestowitzwe wonder how simple it would be to serve static over the same domain with gopher://Nov 01 01:06
schestowitzwe now have daily text-only bulletins for the site, generated after midnightNov 01 01:06
schestowitzno html in there, so gopher would not moan, it would be identicalNov 01 01:07
oiaohmthe bad news is gopher these days gets nuked by some ISP networks filters.Nov 01 01:07
oiaohmits the need for port 70.Nov 01 01:08
schestowitzso some isps would port-block it?Nov 01 01:09
schestowitzwhat's the logic?Nov 01 01:09
schestowitzit's not harmful, is it?Nov 01 01:09
schestowitzand few use programs that can make sense of such transmissions regardlessNov 01 01:09
oiaohmIts when they setup their port blocks different services they screwed up and of course they don't test if gopher works.Nov 01 01:10
oiaohmMind you the number of gopher servers out there is growing.Nov 01 01:11
oiaohmslowly but growing.Nov 01 01:11
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oiaohmschestowitz: I am not saying don't setup a gopher server just be aware due to small market share you can have some issues with ISP filters.   This can mean you can have people complaining they can connect one day and not the next all depending on what route they get though the internet.Nov 01 01:13
oiaohmOf course gopher without people adding servers will never grow enough market share for ISPs to class it as important.Nov 01 01:14
schestowitzwe need to help it growNov 01 01:20
schestowitzhttp(s)/3 is googleNov 01 01:20
schestowitzand too much other crap, with w3c and further down the stackNov 01 01:20
schestowitzipv6 is another issueNov 01 01:20
schestowitzbut that's further downNov 01 01:20
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txschestowitz: so what's up with the server access?Nov 01 10:48
schestowitzmorningNov 01 10:49
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txGood morningNov 01 10:49
schestowitzso... I spoke to an associateNov 01 10:49
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > I think the idea of educating the public about PKI is very important.Nov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > It's something that TR ought to help with somehow and the proposal isNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > quite timely and worthy.  I worry about the choice of platform though.Nov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > Nov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > In general, my position that Windows use should neither be accepted norNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > condoned for any purpose has only hardened over the years as I have hadNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > more time to observe it [1] and think.  Above all it is an ineffectualNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > platform for teaching and instruction, so while a tutorial on PKI mightNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > be better than nothing the Windows component will be a very heavyNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > liability which is likely to prevent achieving any teaching objective.Nov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > However, I agree strongly with the goal otherwise.  It is also a problemNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > that neither the Crypto Wars II and Software Patents which warrant theNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > severity of theNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > Nov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > As for the hands-on aspects of learning, I strongly agree with thatNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > approach.  While computer science, actual science, can be (and probablyNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > should) taught very well with paper and pencil exclusively, actuallyNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > doing something to apply knowledge that can help with the education veryNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > much.  Since this is 2020 and not 1980 I have to point out that two orNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > more different implementations and platforms have to be used, otherwiseNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > it is not education but training and that would not be useful forNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > promoting understanding at a level necessary for dealing with theNov 01 10:50
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schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > abstractions the proposed laws claim to be addressing.Nov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > Nov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > So if the target is Windows users, I don't know what to say.  GettingNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > them to use a second platform, even in a VM, will raise the learningNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > curve psychologically beyond the threshold of what many will tolerate.Nov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > Besides with Windows as a host, the guest won't get used, all the timeNov 01 10:50
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > will be spent dorking around with the host system's shortcomings.  Yet,Nov 01 10:51
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > I see introduction of a second platform there as a necessary first step.Nov 01 10:51
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> >  Dual booting is out, but a third option, that of live images might beNov 01 10:51
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > ok.  The image can be streamlined for the task with the necessaryNov 01 10:51
schestowitz[22:40] <schestowitz> > components preinstalled and, maybe also, preconfigured. Nov 01 10:51
schestowitz /finNov 01 10:51
schestowitznow, my question is, what would directly access be used for and how?Nov 01 10:51
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txRe: the whole windows thing. The reality is most people use Windows. I'm taking a pragmatic approach with this project. Education of the public rapidly is a bigger priority than OS concerns rn. It's going to be hard enough to get people to spend time on the project before adding more overhead of material.Nov 01 10:54
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schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: makes senseNov 01 10:56
schestowitzis it pdf-formatted?Nov 01 10:56
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYesNov 01 10:56
schestowitzfor universality (no docx :-) )Nov 01 10:56
schestowitz"get your Office licence and encrypt :-)"Nov 01 10:56
schestowitzI always get a kick out of 'clown'-based 'encrypted' emailNov 01 10:57
schestowitzwith no browser plugins for private keys or similar mechanismNov 01 10:57
schestowitzor if you can remember MEGANov 01 10:57
schestowitzwhen kim dotcom ran itNov 01 10:57
schestowitzlater the farce of MEGA 'privacy' become more farcicalNov 01 10:58
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txRe: direct access. I was going to ask the same question myself. You can an `echo "help_item" >> /path/to/my/tasks` and I can see what I can do.Nov 01 10:58
schestowitzBTW, we're in front page of hackernews at the momentNov 01 10:58
schestowitzthis page 01 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsNov 01 10:58
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWhat did you do to achieve that? lolNov 01 10:58
schestowitzI ought to check who/where... to see commentsNov 01 10:58
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schestowitzfound something. I think that's the one (there may be more): 01 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft and the NSA | Hacker NewsNov 01 10:59
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schestowitz"Nov 01 11:00
schestowitzIt's fun to see a more old school style website, in both the sense of presentation and content. Go techrights.Nov 01 11:00
schestowitz Nov 01 11:00
schestowitz"Nov 01 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights | Free Software Sentry โ€“ watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedomNov 01 11:00
schestowitzHacker News is usually hostile towards hacker culture, IMENov 01 11:00
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIME?Nov 01 11:00
schestowitzin my experience Nov 01 11:02
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAhNov 01 11:02
schestowitzI don't know if the comment above was satiricalNov 01 11:02
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBrb making teaNov 01 11:02
schestowitzbut my personal site is 2002 styleNov 01 11:02
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schestowitzwhen it was last set for style or templatesNov 01 11:02
schestowitztechrights 2006Nov 01 11:02
schestowitzand now falling back on text only, utf8Nov 01 11:02
schestowitzno shame in itNov 01 11:02
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schestowitzin fact, I think there's a growing 'niche' of people who appreciate not having to go to some google site for megabytes of FONTS just to read one single articleNov 01 11:03
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txping me about `serveez` when I'm back.Nov 01 11:03
schestowitzkkNov 01 11:03
schestowitz 01 11:06
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAlright. BackNov 01 11:20
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txSo this serveez thing ties in with your old-school website ideaNov 01 11:20
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI was evaluating a lot of different programming languages and I came to a conclusionNov 01 11:21
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txTo take back control of the web we really need to be able to do 2 things. Have a distributed infrastructure (read IPFS) and be able to run our operations on low-resource servers.Nov 01 11:21
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txRaku and all the other high level programming languages are too heavyNov 01 11:22
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI've been doing up some reading and Guile is a sweet spot between abstraction and performance. It's easy to write as well because of the LISP syntaxNov 01 11:22
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txNow where `serveez` comes in is that it's a great reference implementation for things like HTTP, IRC, etc.Nov 01 11:22
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAnd `serveez` is in Guile. My whole idea is to build a system where we serve very simple pages that are generated algorithmically and are optimized for operation with IPFS and IRC.Nov 01 11:23
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat way anyone can just buy a cheap Raspberry Pi and have their own operation up and running. It would also allow people to easily support P2P content of projects they like or collaborate with.Nov 01 11:24
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txA nice thing about IPFS is that it gets rid of DNS which is one of the key spying technologies of the web todayNov 01 11:24
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIf you give me a chroot environment with a couple hundred megabytes of disk, I should be able to get IPFS up and running for you with podman. And all sorts of other things as well.Nov 01 11:25
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txRight now, we face the problem that CMS are too heavy. That bloat is what's holding a lot of projects back.Nov 01 11:26
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIn the past, computers with much less memory and CPU were powering multi-billion transaction scalesNov 01 11:27
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txEverything I'm working on now is tied in to low-powered hardware. All my stuff can run on a single Raspberry Pi on its tiny SD card.Nov 01 11:28
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txExternal storage is as simple as just adding a USB HDD.Nov 01 11:28
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAll my work is going to be AGPLv3 to prevent tivoization and SAASi\ationNov 01 11:30
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txSAASization*Nov 01 11:30
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAnd we already have GnuPG. We can easily build authentication systems around that with some wrapper scripts. GnuPG runs on embedded devices just fine.Nov 01 11:31
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAnd I've come to the decision that only two languages will be used, whenever possible: Guile and C.Nov 01 11:33
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txschestowitz: would appreciate if you could archive this snippet, for future reference.Nov 01 11:35
schestowitzit isloggedNov 01 11:35
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txOh yeah. ForgotNov 01 11:35
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWe should still keep things like the Wiki around, though. I didn't even know Techrights has a wiki.Nov 01 11:36
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI've got one big project that has to do with security but I'm not going to reveal that until there is a working prototype. When it's done, Techrights will be the first to know.Nov 01 11:37
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou can gleam some hints from the urgent email I sent you a while ago.Nov 01 11:38
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx"with IPFS and IRC" I meant "and RSS"*Nov 01 11:45
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txRSS/Atom is crucial for us as well because it allows privacy-respecting consumption of notifications. And people will appreciate not having their inbox spammed with notifications.Nov 01 11:46
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schestowitzwhat does "inbox" mean these days/Nov 01 11:50
schestowitzwhen there are several concept of "push notifications"?Nov 01 11:50
schestowitzI read about there being some "open-source" onesNov 01 11:50
schestowitzwhatever that means, I'm not familiar with how those protocols work, I assume periodic polling or pushes from the server side to the phones antenna-connected (tower) coprocessorNov 01 11:51
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's the pub/sub modelNov 01 11:51
schestowitzpublish/subs?Nov 01 11:51
schestowitzlike you publish and then it pushes out to people?Nov 01 11:51
schestowitzrather than them polling for updates when none exist?Nov 01 11:51
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou have a publisher server and subscriber devices/clientsNov 01 11:51
schestowitz(I suppose with mobile bandwidth and battery life are a bigger factor)Nov 01 11:52
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txSo a subscriber registers with a publisher to "subscribe" to certain content. Publishers can separate content into different streams. If a client is subscribed to a particular stream, if data is "pushed" in that stream, the subscriber will "pull" it.Nov 01 11:52
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's essentially what things like Apache Kafka do.Nov 01 11:53
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWhereas RSS/Atom is more on a polling model. Publishers just update their content and clients periodically visit to see if there's anything new.Nov 01 11:53
schestowitzI installed kafka on my laptopNov 01 11:54
schestowitzit's as boring as fNov 01 11:54
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's a bunch of Java bloat. lolNov 01 11:55
schestowitzyeahNov 01 11:55
schestowitzfor something very simpleNov 01 11:55
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIndeed. It's ridiculously simple to implement.Nov 01 11:56
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txMain reason it's popular is that it just became a standard. People shouldn't underestimate the power of turnkey solutions.Nov 01 11:56
schestowitzdidn't see why I even needed to download a massive s/w package for itNov 01 11:56
schestowitzunix pipes can accomplish a lot, e.g. passwordless rsync/ssh remote commandsNov 01 11:56
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txpub/sub is basically just having a bunch of clients listening to a server for updates.Nov 01 11:58
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's literally that simpleNov 01 11:58
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou can implement a cache as well, to allow a system of ACK to make sure people don't miss things.Nov 01 11:59
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txD-Bus is also pub/sub modelNov 01 11:59
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBut I don't really know details. It's outside my security nicheNov 01 11:59
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAnother big thing is that we should all be using UDP more. TCP is incredibly heavy and wholly unnecessary for a lot of things.Nov 01 12:06
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txImplementing an ACK system over UDP is so simple.Nov 01 12:06
schestowitzUDP is still being usedNov 01 12:06
schestowitzit's reliable enough for some thingsNov 01 12:06
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI know but the web still runs on TCPNov 01 12:06
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txUDP being unreliable is a lieNov 01 12:06
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou can always keep polling for an ACKNov 01 12:07
schestowitzlike... if a packet is lost with a notification in it, the next time around it'll work fineNov 01 12:07
schestowitzuntil you receive that notification, missing from your stack of packetsNov 01 12:07
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYes. That's the best part about UDP. Lossy connections don't screw your ops to a halt.Nov 01 12:07
schestowitzyou can also keep countNov 01 12:07
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYeah. It's not like caches don't existNov 01 12:07
schestowitzso fault tolerance can be NOT buffered into the packets themselvesNov 01 12:08
schestowitzmight save cpu time/power, not just bandwidthNov 01 12:08
schestowitzthough I think the ethernet ports and similar stacks offload packet expansion and processing to hardwareNov 01 12:08
schestowitz(pretty sure that's the case, would be foolish not to)Nov 01 12:09
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's just normal layers of networkingNov 01 12:09
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txEvery layer is encapsulated by metadata from the layer below itNov 01 12:09
schestowitzwordpress is very heavyNov 01 12:10
schestowitzmediawiki I can cope withNov 01 12:10
schestowitzwe can do about 1000 reqs a minuteNov 01 12:10
schestowitzwordpress without static page caching is choking at around 200 a minute, depending on the page and what files it comes withNov 01 12:10
schestowitzstatic we can do thousands a minute, like these pages: 01 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Index of /transparency/debian/debian-privateNov 01 12:11
schestowitzhence the interest of serving just plain text to those who are satisfied enough with itNov 01 12:11
schestowitzI myself read 90% of "my news" (all the politics, climate, tech stuff) in KateNov 01 12:11
schestowitzplain textNov 01 12:11
schestowitzthe rest in RSS feed, usually without opening the pages, just simple htmlNov 01 12:12
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe nice thing about UDP is that broadcasting is super simpleNov 01 12:13
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's a "connectionless" protocolNov 01 12:13
schestowitzanyway, I put this in my todo listNov 01 12:14
schestowitznot sure if you notice, front page of has an email encryption guide in itNov 01 12:15
schestowitzfor windows esp.Nov 01 12:15
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txHaven't lookedNov 01 12:15
schestowitzI didn't write it, it was contributed to us ages agoNov 01 12:15
schestowitzwe're one of the few news site that encrypt almost all commsNov 01 12:15
schestowitzamong key people and sources esp.Nov 01 12:16
schestowitzmost of my mail is encrypted in and out, exc. the spamNov 01 12:16
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txSame hereNov 01 12:16
schestowitz 01 12:16
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBtwNov 01 12:16
schestowitzTHis is the one linked in the front pageNov 01 12:16
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> it's reliable enough for some thingsNov 01 12:16
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWhen people say thatNov 01 12:16
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThey forget DNS works over UDPNov 01 12:16
schestowitz(I did not write it, cannot vouch for it, assumes most people use Windows... or used by it)Nov 01 12:16
schestowitzDNS is crucial in the speed senseNov 01 12:17
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txNext time someone says UDP is unreliable, ask them why DNS uses UDPNov 01 12:17
schestowitzFirefox/Moz offloading DNS to Comcast and ClownFlare nowNov 01 12:17
schestowitzinsane, I know..Nov 01 12:17
schestowitz 01 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That โ€œComcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacyโ€ | TechrightsNov 01 12:17
schestowitzsomeone from moz was here in IRC yesterdayNov 01 12:18
ChaekyungvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: it doesn't matter what order your packet for one DNS request arrives inNov 01 12:18
schestowitzpulling my legs for pointing out they had been using azureNov 01 12:18
schestowitzfor dataNov 01 12:18
ChaekyungI'd say TCP is better than UDP. Then again Google is moving towards using UDP for web connections, they already use it for google's own servicesNov 01 12:18
schestowitzgoogle does whatever google wantsNov 01 12:19
schestowitzthey 'own' a lot of trafficNov 01 12:19
schestowitzyoutube esp., volume-wiseNov 01 12:19
Chaekyungvery few people know this but since google is large portion of the internet QUIC (multiplexed UDP) is used for like half of all web connectionsNov 01 12:19
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txChaekyung: yes, but that's a justified use of TCP. But pretty much everything in the "web" uses TCP now.Nov 01 12:19
schestowitzthey say netflix is also high, due to HD, but have not checked lately how that compared to youtubeNov 01 12:19
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txChaekyung: regardless of whether TCP is the right choice or not.Nov 01 12:19
schestowitzthe way they teach cs now,students won't know the diffNov 01 12:20
schestowitzor what those areNov 01 12:20
schestowitzthey'll learn "frameworks"Nov 01 12:20
schestowitzand "full stack"Nov 01 12:20
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txCS? You mean framework development?Nov 01 12:20
schestowitzand "cloud"Nov 01 12:20
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBeat me to itNov 01 12:20
schestowitzno, Computer ScienceNov 01 12:20
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt was a jokeNov 01 12:21
schestowitzthough I have not seen a CS syllabus for a whileNov 01 12:21
ChaekyungI have no idea what they teach students these days Nov 01 12:21
schestowitzdo they still force them to code in assembly for educational purposes?Nov 01 12:21
schestowitzor programmable boards?Nov 01 12:21
ChaekyungI have the impression it's a lot of leftist propagandaNov 01 12:21
Chaekyungbut I don't knowNov 01 12:21
ChaekyungI am too oldNov 01 12:21
schestowitzCS?Nov 01 12:21
schestowitznot politicsNov 01 12:21
schestowitznothing to do with "leftist"Nov 01 12:22
schestowitzhipsterish, maybeNov 01 12:22
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI'm pretty sure QUIC is already going to be the standard in a year or twoNov 01 12:22
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI've been looking at all the big infra providers pushing it.Nov 01 12:23
schestowitzhttp/3Nov 01 12:33
schestowitz 01 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | HTTP/3: the past, the present, and the futureNov 01 12:33
schestowitz"During last yearโ€™s Birthday Week we announced preliminary support for QUIC and HTTP/3 (or โ€œHTTP over QUICโ€ as it was known back then), the new standard for the web, enabling faster"Nov 01 12:33
schestowitzlook who backs those thingsNov 01 12:33
schestowitzspying sievesNov 01 12:33
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThis is kind of why I've been pushing IPFS everywhereNov 01 12:36
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThrowing away DNS is going to be a boon for privacyNov 01 12:37
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAt least, reducing the use of DNSNov 01 12:37
schestowitzthere's more to spying than thatNov 01 12:38
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI knowNov 01 12:38
schestowitzinc. switchingNov 01 12:38
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBut it's a pragmatic step forwardNov 01 12:39
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe solution is already mature enough to implementNov 01 12:39
schestowitzdns= phonebookNov 01 12:39
schestowitztraffic= callsNov 01 12:39
schestowitzfew encrypt those thingsNov 01 12:39
schestowitzand you can see source and destination ipsNov 01 12:39
schestowitzpeople would blast me for saying, but https is OK for loggingNov 01 12:40
schestowitzbut not for actual privacyNov 01 12:40
schestowitzeven without JS and trackers and cookiesNov 01 12:40
schestowitzwhich most people accept explicitly or by default even over httpsNov 01 12:40
schestowitzso what sort of 'privacy' is that anyway?Nov 01 12:41
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWe need a turnkey solution. Right now the parts are still under development.Nov 01 12:41
schestowitzdata  brokers even know the pertinent pages you visit, when, how long for, how the mouse was moved (JS)Nov 01 12:41
scientes<vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> The nice thing about UDP is that broadcasting is super simpleNov 01 12:41
scientes<vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> It's a "connectionless" protocolNov 01 12:41
scientes 01 12:41
scientescoolNov 01 12:41
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schestowitzall the 'privacy' solutions, like Tor, also assume no mitmNov 01 12:42
schestowitzyou need to trust most onion layersNov 01 12:42
schestowitzand we already know honeypots do existNov 01 12:43
schestowitznever mind any 0-daysNov 01 12:43
schestowitzioerror used to put it in a funny wayNov 01 12:43
schestowitzif he wanted privacy, he's speak in the saunaNov 01 12:43
schestowitz*he'dNov 01 12:43
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txlolNov 01 12:43
schestowitzwhere microphones are at risk of malfunctionNov 01 12:43
schestowitzand without clothes on it's harder to hide or secure theseNov 01 12:43
schestowitznothing like 'pool talk'Nov 01 12:44
schestowitzotr liquid-cooledNov 01 12:44
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe main issue right now is IP spying. There's still no good solution against that.Nov 01 12:44
schestowitznone bulletproofNov 01 12:45
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBecause you can't really do much to IP. It's not the protocol's fault.Nov 01 12:45
schestowitzand if thunderbird makes decisions about what messages need locksNov 01 12:45
schestowitzeither by negligence or intentiobNov 01 12:45
schestowitzintentionNov 01 12:45
scientes<schestowitz> ioerror used to put it in a funny wayNov 01 12:45
scientes<schestowitz> if he wanted privacy, he's speak in the saunaNov 01 12:45
schestowitzDebian is now developed partly on Google serversNov 01 12:45
schestowitzafter Google gave them LOADS of moneyNov 01 12:45
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scientesschestowitz, yeah, I like how effectively he breaks the "nothing to hide, nothing to loose" argumentNov 01 12:46
scientesThen take off your clothes! You don't have anything to hide, right?Nov 01 12:46
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> I like how he breaks ... argument.Nov 01 12:46
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txLink pls/Nov 01 12:46
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx?*Nov 01 12:46
schestowitzput a bathing suit onNov 01 12:46
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWould like to readNov 01 12:46
schestowitzmale nipples never caused a scandalNov 01 12:46
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scientesvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, he just says "everyone in this room is wearing clothes, so you all have something to hide"Nov 01 12:46
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAh. lolNov 01 12:47
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txGood oneNov 01 12:47
schestowitzI've yet to read about someone being recorded secretly in the sauna or poolNov 01 12:47
schestowitz(*until then....)Nov 01 12:47
schestowitzscientes: the greenwald line (that he borrowed) is, you all use email passwordsNov 01 12:48
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txDoes somebody have a link to this "ioerror" on the web?Nov 01 12:48
schestowitz"nothing to hide" = everyone can access my inbox, read-onlyNov 01 12:48
schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: it's Jake Appelbaum's nicknameNov 01 12:48
schestowitzsurely you refer to that particular bitNov 01 12:48
schestowitznot the personNov 01 12:48
schestowitzhe had that in German media, maybe keynotes talks tooNov 01 12:49
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schestowitzbecause he was declared pervert (he might be sexually perverse... but afaik nothing criminal)Nov 01 12:49
schestowitzasking someone if s/he wants to pop a drug and join for sex is obscene, but likely not a crime in GermanyNov 01 12:50
schestowitzwe've moved into a societal mode though of thoughtcrimeNov 01 12:50
schestowitzso you can lose your career and personal life for merely arguing something legally, but it's not legal in the eyes of social control media mob of one flavour or anotherNov 01 12:50
schestowitzpieter hitjens wrote about twitter factionsNov 01 12:51
schestowitzand how they gang up with so-called causes.Nov 01 12:51
schestowitzzoobab: do you have the url?Nov 01 12:51
scientesif society is sick it cannot fight off slander and libelNov 01 12:51
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx"Cancel culture"Nov 01 12:51
schestowitz*pieter-hintjensNov 01 12:51
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThis is why I don't participate in social mediaNov 01 12:52
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's a weapon nowNov 01 12:52
scientesvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, lack of cultureNov 01 12:52
scientesexcept you are only digging your own graveNov 01 12:52
scientesyou are biting the hand that feeds youNov 01 12:52
schestowitzI need to use GoogleNov 01 12:52
schestowitzsearx is just displaying lots of worthless tweets instead of actual resultsNov 01 12:53
scientesM.I.A. has a shirt that reads "Fuck Google, Ask Me"Nov 01 12:53
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txOne of the reasons I decided to contribute here is because Techrights is a buffer against that toxic culture.Nov 01 12:54
scientesand given that the internet really only has stuff from the last few decades, that isn't unreasonableNov 01 12:54
scientesfew realize just how limited the information available on  the internet isNov 01 12:54
scientesmost information is only available in booksNov 01 12:54
scientesphysical booksNov 01 12:54
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI think digital books are important.Nov 01 12:54
scientesor even the physical worldNov 01 12:55
schestowitz 01 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Confessions of a Necromancer - Hintjens.comNov 01 12:55
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's very easy to archive a book once you've got a digital copyNov 01 12:55
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou can even compress the book, and then make a physical copy of the compressed versionNov 01 12:55
schestowitzfound it 01 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why I've Quit Twitter - Hintjens.comNov 01 12:55
scientesvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, and then when the power goes out?Nov 01 12:55
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou didn't let me finish :PNov 01 12:56
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> You can even compress the book, and then make a physical copy of the compressed versionNov 01 12:56
scientesthat doesn't make any senseNov 01 12:56
schestowitzI can't believe he put his book in Amazon... amazingNov 01 12:56
scientesyou need to print the book in a form that can be consumed by humansNov 01 12:56
schestowitzsort of defeats the purpose and spiritNov 01 12:56
schestowitz 01 12:56
schestowitz"Nov 01 12:56
schestowitzLet me cite these by name and explain each. I'm not going to use any links. Explore further at your own risk.Nov 01 12:56
schestowitzWe have the third wave feminists (3WF), promising a nirvana where maleness is a birth crime and femininity will Save the World. It has its mystical roots in Gaia the Earth Mother, and it appeals to an ancient conflict between men and women. The conflict expresses in every couple, every family, and within individuals.Nov 01 12:57
scientesamazon is the only print-on-demand book company right nowNov 01 12:57
schestowitz3WF collects women looking for a cause, often highly educated, under-challenged, and lonely. This is a generation who have learned that doing female things, and following the female biological imperatives, is "bad." And yes, these are real things. If you hear a voice shouting "social construct!" in your mind, you are already under a form of mind control.Nov 01 12:57
schestowitzHumanity is the only species capable of denying its own existence.Nov 01 12:57
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schestowitzIt is ironic, and sad, that 3WF accuses women that refuse to accept its message as suffering from "internalized misogyny." That is, self-hate so deep they cannot see it. And yet it is 3WF members that hate their own femaleness. They take no pride in it. It disgusts them so much they must project that onto others.Nov 01 12:57
schestowitz3WF also collects men, such as a few "male feminists" whom I've had to block to protect them from my need to always be right. Why do boys follow a girls' cult? Partly it's biology. The men go where the women are. We will say and do a lot of stupid things for the remotest chance at sex. But a lot of men have also grown up in the same education system, learning from a young age that gender is a social construct, and Male = Bad, Female = Nov 01 12:57
schestowitzGood.Nov 01 12:57
schestowitz"Nov 01 12:57
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThere are other print-on-demand book companiesNov 01 12:57
scientesthen they need to band together and form a guildNov 01 12:58
scienteswith exclusive titlesNov 01 12:58
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAlsoNov 01 12:58
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txPrinting too many books is bad for the environmentNov 01 12:58
scientesnot reallyNov 01 12:58
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schestowitzconclusion:Nov 01 12:58
schestowitz(via )Nov 01 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why I've Quit Twitter - Hintjens.comNov 01 12:59
schestowitz"Nov 01 12:59
schestowitzIt has become clear to me that Twitter is a lens that distorts. The economics in this case favor the wrong people: the psychopaths and their followers. It gives them space in which to grow, recruit, and market themselves. By using Twitter, I'm contributing to this.Nov 01 12:59
schestowitzWe know where the politics of extremism takes us. We don't need to go back hundreds of years. Just a few days, to bombs exploding in my home city. Psychopaths produced those bombs, recruited the mules who carried them, and sent them on their way. One more cult of hate, seeking to divide and conquer.Nov 01 12:59
schestowitzYes, I'm literally making an equivalence between the digital cults and Daesh. They lie at different points on a scale, yet it is one scale. Saying "all men" and "all white men" has the same intent and effect as saying "all Muslims." It divides, isolates, and creates space for the cult to grow.Nov 01 12:59
schestowitzNever doubt the harm that psychopaths will inflict on others. It is simply a pragmatic calculation of benefits against risks and costs. Allow cults to grow without sanction, and they will become more aggressive and more destructive.Nov 01 12:59
scientesbooks can be biodegradable, and pulp is not expensiveNov 01 12:59
schestowitz"Nov 01 12:59
schestowitz 01 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media: Where โ€˜Cancel Cultureโ€™ Thrives | TechrightsNov 01 12:59
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txLook at how many forests are being chopped down to make paper.Nov 01 12:59
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schestowitz[12:58] <vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> Printing too many books is bad for the environment\Nov 01 12:59
schestowitzdriving is a lot worseNov 01 12:59
scientesvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, you can make paper from bamboo forrestsNov 01 12:59
schestowitzflying miles (pun intended) worseNov 01 12:59
scientesand no-body likes bambooNov 01 13:00
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI like bambooNov 01 13:00
scientesthey already make socks from bambooNov 01 13:00
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's coolNov 01 13:00
schestowitzpoor pandas will run out of stock fasterNov 01 13:00
scientesbut I shouldn't argue with you, as you are not thinkingNov 01 13:00
schestowitzthey need about 40 pounds of bamboo >per day<Nov 01 13:00
schestowitz[12:59] <vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> Look at how many forests are being chopped down to make paper.Nov 01 13:00
schestowitzThis weekend's news: 01 13:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Despite What the Logging Industry Says, Cutting Down Trees Isnโ€™t Stopping Catastrophic Wildfires โ€” ProPublicaNov 01 13:01
scientesI need 40 pounds of hot-pockets >per day<, doesn't mean I get the same level of PR.Nov 01 13:01
schestowitzshaving off the planetNov 01 13:01
schestowitzoff the thing that makes oxygen.. because it's not like we need any anyway...Nov 01 13:01
scientesthat is the symptomNov 01 13:01
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scientesthose houses they are building with those trees are worth negative moneyNov 01 13:02
scientesit will cost money to take them apart and revert to farm-landNov 01 13:02
scientesThe housing bubble is Ireland is how they justify not feeding and housing the poor.Nov 01 13:03
scientesbut they need to sell better glasses, because the homeless in the cities are kinda hard to ignoreNov 01 13:04
scientesand they have to hire thugs to keep them out of the public parksNov 01 13:04
*scientes was in London for a single night, waiting for a flightNov 01 13:05
scientesgot to see Westminster Abbey and Buckingham PalaceNov 01 13:05
scientesI should have taken a layover in Lisboa while I was thereNov 01 13:05
scienteswould have been less depressing than LondonNov 01 13:05
schestowitzLisbon?Nov 01 13:06
scientesits Lisboa in PortugeseNov 01 13:06
schestowitzIt has a homelessness problem tooNov 01 13:06
schestowitzand povertyNov 01 13:06
scientesoh okNov 01 13:06
schestowitza friend of mine keeps telling meNov 01 13:06
scientesI was in a hurry to get out of EuropeNov 01 13:06
schestowitzdrugs alsoNov 01 13:06
schestowitzbig drug issuesNov 01 13:06
schestowitzit pisses him off a lotNov 01 13:06
scientesI wanted to spend as little time in Europe as possibleNov 01 13:06
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txschestowitz: where's this tutorial about encrypted email on the Techrights front-page btw? I can't find it.Nov 01 13:06
schestowitzhe moved here decades ago, he's a retired chef nowNov 01 13:06
scientesits like we were talking about about a year ago, how the drug problem shows there is a deep dissatisfaction with lifeNov 01 13:07
schestowitz 01 13:07
schestowitzfront page as in  http://techrights.orgNov 01 13:07
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schestowitzscientes: yes, drugs are sometimes a symptomNov 01 13:07
schestowitzthe gov likes to blame "drugs"Nov 01 13:07
schestowitz"they did drugs, ended up homeless"Nov 01 13:07
schestowitzusually, it's the oppositeNov 01 13:07
schestowitzcause and effectNov 01 13:07
scientesthey send all the meaningful jobs overseas, and then they give them drugs so they die fasterNov 01 13:07
schestowitzthey do drugs inc. alcohol (cheap and not illegal) because they're hopeless and without a homeNov 01 13:08
scientes<schestowitz> usually, it's the opposite\Nov 01 13:08
schestowitzand then they develop severe health issues and the gov. lets them rot, then blames them for "killing themselves" by "their decisions"Nov 01 13:08
scientesyes, but the politicians are too busy shaking down the dads that aren't allowed to life with their baby-momies for moneyNov 01 13:08
schestowitzto live?Nov 01 13:09
scientesand throwing them in prisonNov 01 13:09
scientesto liveNov 01 13:09
schestowitzsocial control right there..Nov 01 13:09
schestowitzI know one GNU dev who had it done to himNov 01 13:09
schestowitzI won't name him hereNov 01 13:09
scientesthere was a scandel in Israel where people were paying bribes to escape the prison of IsraelNov 01 13:09
schestowitz(he worked on encryption)Nov 01 13:09
scientesat the airportNov 01 13:09
schestowitzisrael is run by mafia nowNov 01 13:10
scientesand they give you endless credit card creditNov 01 13:10
scientesto keep the system runningNov 01 13:10
schestowitzwhat you might come to expect from any nations with supremacy of an army, us included, former ussrNov 01 13:10
schestowitzthe thugs always get their way, honest people are run overNov 01 13:10
scientesexcept the Russians will stick togetherNov 01 13:11
schestowitzpeople then adapt to become equally aggresive just to get on with life or surviveNov 01 13:11
scientesand it will collapse due to themNov 01 13:11
scientesas they don't have any moneyNov 01 13:11
schestowitzus militias, russian mafia, black gangsNov 01 13:11
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou need to have secrecy to run a successful operation when dealing with thugsNov 01 13:12
scientesalso the heredi jewsNov 01 13:12
schestowitzthen they act all surprised that desperate people with no means turn to crimeNov 01 13:12
schestowitzand they blame the crimes for the state they're inNov 01 13:12
scientesthere is already a war between the heredi jews and the stateNov 01 13:12
schestowitz[12:00] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (็ฝ—ไผŠ): #militaia #goldenDawnald #violence #trump #failedState []Nov 01 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Video: Trump Supporters Tried to Run Biden Bus 'Off the Road' - Rolling StoneNov 01 13:12
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schestowitz'Murica DrimmNov 01 13:13
schestowitzColombia came to ColumbiaNov 01 13:13
scienteshmmm, I can't find the child support bribery scandelNov 01 13:14
scientesthey probably buried itNov 01 13:14
schestowitz[13:12] <vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> You need to have secrecy to run a successful operation when dealing with thugsNov 01 13:14
schestowitzassumuing they have not already infiltrated the PDs tooNov 01 13:14
schestowitzand drove away perceived obstructions in those PDsNov 01 13:14
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThis applies to tech thugs as wellNov 01 13:14
schestowitzlike Trump expelled people with empathy from WH and then lots of other branches of gov. inc. scotus and usdojNov 01 13:15
schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: yes, Microsofters in particularNov 01 13:15
schestowitzno real geek would apply for a job thereNov 01 13:15
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's why I still send encrypted email for some things because they need to be kept secret.Nov 01 13:15
schestowitzso you end up gates-worshiping, money-loving cultists all in one gangNov 01 13:15
schestowitzwhile their 'ringleader' flies a plane called "LOLITA EXPRESS"Nov 01 13:15
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txallegedly*Nov 01 13:16
schestowitzwaiting for the footnoteNov 01 13:16
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txDon't want the trolls coming after you. Always say allegedly, if the evidence isn't in public domain.Nov 01 13:16
schestowitz(hint: it's not alleged, it's verified to the extreme)Nov 01 13:16
schestowitzthe evidence is public domainNov 01 13:16
schestowitzand gates is not denying itNov 01 13:17
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThen it's alrightNov 01 13:17
schestowitzthe flight records were publishedNov 01 13:17
schestowitz 01 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | TechrightsNov 01 13:17
schestowitzthis isn't about the flightsNov 01 13:17
schestowitzbut about more than those flightsNov 01 13:17
schestowitzwhich they do not deny, eitherNov 01 13:17
schestowitzbut it was thrown under the bus when covid started and gates became health 'visionary'Nov 01 13:18
schestowitz(I'm not suggesting a causal correlation btw)Nov 01 13:18
schestowitz 01 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@migueltcosta: Snippet 259: โ€œMicrosoft is actively colluding with the NSA. No software company has been quโ€ฆ 01 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsNov 01 13:25
schestowitz"Nov 01 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@migueltcosta: Snippet 259: โ€œMicrosoft is actively colluding with the NSA. No software company has been quโ€ฆ 01 13:25
schestowitzSnippet 259: 01 13:25
schestowitzโ€œMicrosoft is actively colluding with the NSA. No software company has been quite as collaborative with the NSA as Microsoft has, e.g. in providing direct Skype access.โ€Nov 01 13:25
schestowitzShould we move away from Microsoftโ€™s Windows Operative System?Nov 01 13:25
schestowitz"Nov 01 13:25
schestowitz 01 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lzsthw: If you ever see a Microsoft developer evangelist getting on a morality high horse, just pass them this: 01 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ )Nov 01 13:26
schestowitz 01 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@danehrlich11: @SCNRbot @motherboard Read this. Everything else I've said is worthless. Whoever these persons / lizardbots are, thโ€ฆ 01 13:26
schestowitz"Read this. Everything else I've said is worthless. Whoever these persons / lizardbots are, they did a ton of the research for us:"Nov 01 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Main Page - TechrightsNov 01 13:26
schestowitz"Nov 01 13:27
schestowitzI find it very interesting that once a company gets to a certain size theyโ€™re willing to do a lot of questionable things to make more money. Nov 01 13:27
schestowitzYouโ€™d think having a bazillion dollars already would decrease the profit incentive, but nope.Nov 01 13:27
schestowitz"Nov 01 13:27
schestowitz"Nov 01 13:27
schestowitzThe fact that you're "surprised" by it is part of the reason why I'm now against shaming other people when they try to make money.Nov 01 13:27
schestowitzIf people can't actively acknowledge the inherent negative impact of a giant company's behavior then it's wrong to shame individuals for doing it.Nov 01 13:27
schestowitz"Nov 01 13:27
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou should post on r/PrivacyNov 01 13:31
schestowitzreddit?Nov 01 13:31
schestowitzno wayNov 01 13:31
schestowitzhate themNov 01 13:31
schestowitzlast week: 01 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Don't Contribute Anything Relevant in Web Forums Like RedditNov 01 13:32
schestowitz5 years ago: 01 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Censorship on Reddit Has Gotten (Condรฉ) Nasty and Silent, Even Actively Silenced | TechrightsNov 01 13:32
schestowitzthat was before people used the term ghostban or shadowbanNov 01 13:32
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txPlaces like Reddit are still important to raise awarenessNov 01 13:32
schestowitzbecause twitter started doing lots of that (did it to me like 50 times in 2 years)Nov 01 13:32
schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: they need to perishNov 01 13:33
schestowitzthey're compromisedNov 01 13:33
schestowitzparticipating in them reinvigorates their powerNov 01 13:33
schestowitzthey still misuse Swartz and his good nameNov 01 13:33
schestowitzeven though he ended up disliking them geatlyNov 01 13:33
schestowitz*greatlyNov 01 13:33
schestowitzConde Nasty ousted LinusNov 01 13:33
schestowitzand they paint themselves "geek" in RedditNov 01 13:34
schestowitznow that Wired is deadNov 01 13:34
scientesreddit is dead tooNov 01 13:34
schestowitzand Ars is dead also, their staff turned out to be monstersNov 01 13:34
scienteshas been for a long timeNov 01 13:34
schestowitzhope soNov 01 13:34
schestowitz*that this is trueNov 01 13:34
scientesthey droped the free software licenseNov 01 13:34
scienteswent propritaryNov 01 13:34
schestowitzyesNov 01 13:34
schestowitzthat's when I dropped my rss feed for /r/linuxNov 01 13:35
scientesat least Aaron Swartz created MarkDown with itNov 01 13:35
scienteswhich was a massive successNov 01 13:35
schestowitzlater I saw they added infinite scroll and allNov 01 13:35
schestowitzso even commentless crap ends up with lots of cruft belowNov 01 13:35
scientesI had a japaneese userscript that did infinite scroll much earlierNov 01 13:35
schestowitzand for one little quip or link you need to get megabytes of crapNov 01 13:35
schestowitzreddit became a clickbaiting honeypotNov 01 13:36
schestowitzthey try to addict people, twitter tries the same but wings up pissing off manyNov 01 13:36
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThere are still a lot of people that can be reached via Reddit. It's better to funnel those people to the real news than let them be in the dark.Nov 01 13:36
schestowitzdragging them into meaningless fights to sell adsNov 01 13:36
scientestwitter only works on people that are already broken howeverNov 01 13:36
scientesIMHONov 01 13:36
schestowitzI analysed it here: 01 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Social Control Media Works: The Case of Twitter, Visualised and Annotated | TechrightsNov 01 13:36
schestowitzit wasn't always this badNov 01 13:37
scientesat least reddit had good circlejerk memesNov 01 13:37
schestowitzeven their "mobile" or "legacy" UI is now littered with adsNov 01 13:37
schestowitzand they all have images in them, which ACTUAL content lacksNov 01 13:37
schestowitzeven in empty pages they still have ads with bannersNov 01 13:37
schestowitzthey added this a few months backNov 01 13:37
schestowitzto the legacy/minimalist (no JS) UINov 01 13:38
scientestwitter, like all the other "platforms" are based on lying to people about how the internet worksNov 01 13:38
scientesand now the internet actually works that way because of CDNsNov 01 13:38
schestowitztwitter is obsoleteNov 01 13:38
schestowitzlet's see if their stock recoveredNov 01 13:38
scienteslike Facebook re-purposing WikipediaNov 01 13:38
schestowitz41.36 USD โˆ’11.07 (21.11%)Nov 01 13:38
scientesjust to keep people inside their "platform"Nov 01 13:38
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txRegardless of how we might feel about reddit, a big chunk of newcomers get introduced to GNU/Linux through Reddit. It's important to make sure those people see the important messages.Nov 01 13:38
scientesI mean seriously, the ability to browse Wikipedia from Facebook should be obvious to peopleNov 01 13:39
scientesif they only read the license they would figure it outNov 01 13:39
scientesvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, that's not reddit, that the truth leaking out because reddit needs contentNov 01 13:39
schestowitzthe shares were at US$64 6 years agoNov 01 13:39
scientesand its why they push people more to TikTok/Twitter and other short-form content that can be controlled betterNov 01 13:40
scienteseven YouTube has gotten into the short-form content band-wagonNov 01 13:40
schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: maybe the type of users we neither want or needNov 01 13:40
scientesthe point is that you need far less contentNov 01 13:40
schestowitzthe ones who call freesw "apps"Nov 01 13:40
schestowitzand ask for "spotify" and snaps and stuffNov 01 13:40
scientesso the content can be might higher percentage of propogandaNov 01 13:40
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> maybe the type of users we neither want or needNov 01 13:40
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's not going to help anybodyNov 01 13:40
schestowitzI know what you meanNov 01 13:41
scientesI use markdown almost exclusively for my stuffNov 01 13:41
schestowitzbut...Nov 01 13:41
schestowitzI used to think the way you doNov 01 13:41
schestowitzbut some people become trouble because their entry point is the wrong philosophyNov 01 13:41
schestowitzthey want a "cheap mac"Nov 01 13:41
scientesschestowitz is right---the user's have to engage in free software at some pointNov 01 13:41
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's fine. We can always kick the trollsNov 01 13:42
schestowitzand then they try to turn it into just another transport layer for pure crapNov 01 13:42
schestowitzwith kernel being linuxNov 01 13:42
schestowitzthey can get a chromebookNov 01 13:42
schestowitzor androidNov 01 13:42
scientesI remember when I posted about a suspend bug in my hard drive, and I got a response from a kernel developer in a few daysNov 01 13:42
schestowitzwhen they're ready they can learn what debian repos areNov 01 13:42
scienteswith a patchNov 01 13:42
scientesand then the next release it was fixedNov 01 13:42
scientesit blew my fucking mindNov 01 13:42
schestowitzand now ask, "HEY GIVE US THE SHINIES" (Microsoft PPAs for Edge)Nov 01 13:43
schestowitz*notNov 01 13:43
schestowitzaka Windows Update for "Linux"Nov 01 13:43
scientesyou suddenly realize that when humans work together they can accomplish amazing thingsNov 01 13:43
schestowitzremember this:Nov 01 13:43
scientesand that the reason that windows sucks is that you pay money for itNov 01 13:43
schestowitzwe accomplish little or nothing if GNU/Linux becomes AndroidNov 01 13:44
schestowitzwe need to replace Android with something like Maemo (Debian)Nov 01 13:44
schestowitzthen we're on the right routeNov 01 13:44
MinceRtry Maemo LesteNov 01 13:44
schestowitzotherwise you're as useless a "tech" as Apple fansNov 01 13:44
scientesAndroid is certainly the biggest threat right nowNov 01 13:44
scientesweb apps too, but lesserNov 01 13:44
schestowitzwho view their existence on this planet as fulfilling the goal of "helping apple beat Microsoft"Nov 01 13:44
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txNo mobile OS will succeed in replacing Android unless you can drop-in Android apps Nov 01 13:45
schestowitz(or IBM vs Microsoft)Nov 01 13:45
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThey have too big a hold on the marketNov 01 13:45
schestowitzAlien had thatNov 01 13:45
schestowitzthen mole Elop stepped inNov 01 13:45
scientesvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, no, that is a ruinous compromiseNov 01 13:45
schestowitzAlien DalvikNov 01 13:45
scientespropritary software is the problem, not the solutionNov 01 13:45
schestowitzMicrosoft killed that, calling it "burning platform"Nov 01 13:45
schestowitzNokia was about to run under MeeGo or similar Android appsNov 01 13:46
schestowitzthe tech was shaping upNov 01 13:46
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's not proprietary softwareNov 01 13:46
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's things like Banking appsNov 01 13:46
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txMedical appsNov 01 13:46
schestowitzAlso see 01 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | RoboVM Takeover of Interest to Microsoft and Its Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (E.E.E.) Strategy Against Android, Which It Says It Wants to Fork | TechrightsNov 01 13:46
schestowitzhe became CEO of GitHub (Microsoft Trojan horse)Nov 01 13:46
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txGovernments rely on AndroidNov 01 13:46
scientesvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, and google is constantly selling them anti-featuresNov 01 13:46
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's the level of entrenchment you have to deal withNov 01 13:47
schestowitz 01 13:47
schestowitzthey totally attack AndroidNov 01 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GitHubโ€™s Nat Friedman Defended Proprietary Software at Novell, So Why Not at Microsoft? | TechrightsNov 01 13:47
schestowitzthe trade press never mentions it because "no money in ot"Nov 01 13:47
schestowitz*itNov 01 13:47
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scientesschestowitz, oh wow that is a great videoNov 01 13:47
scientesexplains why they are sponsoring zig-langNov 01 13:48
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txProjects like this are what's going to help: 01 13:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GrapheneOSNov 01 13:48
schestowitzphoronix mentions it sometimesNov 01 13:48
scientesthat is also why they build vscodeNov 01 13:49
schestowitzyeah, those reddit types might become "consumers"Nov 01 13:49
schestowitzMSVSNov 01 13:49
schestowitzbut openNov 01 13:49
schestowitzit's notNov 01 13:49
schestowitzthey get a blob from MSFTNov 01 13:49
scienteslike how google is adament about keeping YouTube downloaders off of Google Play storeNov 01 13:50
schestowitzand wire their machine to Microsoft/NSANov 01 13:50
schestowitzthe blob contains surveillanceNov 01 13:50
scientesbut they let youtube-dl go because you have to be in the github world to know it existsNov 01 13:50
scientesschestowitz, and all those tactics you mentioned about twitter are coming to github soonNov 01 13:50
schestowitzI heard github is decliningNov 01 13:50
schestowitzbut that was years agoNov 01 13:50
schestowitzmaybe not anymoreNov 01 13:50
scientesllvm moved to githubNov 01 13:50
schestowitzit was sold for its inertiaNov 01 13:50
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txGitHub is still the dominant dev platformNov 01 13:51
schestowitzif that inertia stops, then money down the drainNov 01 13:51
schestowitzthey uses the "arctic vauly" fake news (seeded by a South African in Bloomberg) to distract from the ICE-induced brain drain at GHNov 01 13:51
scientesschestowitz, Nat Friedman is talking right out of the Haloween documentsNov 01 13:51
schestowitzAshley Vance (colleague of Dana Bass)Nov 01 13:51
schestowitzthey're really worrying about GH rebellionNov 01 13:52
scientesoh wow, you said that in the article...Nov 01 13:52
schestowitzlike SouthForge after GIMP-gateNov 01 13:52
schestowitzSourceNov 01 13:52
scientesBill Gates steal's others work in his "foundation" tooNov 01 13:52
schestowitz 01 13:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Story About Microsoftโ€™s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | TechrightsNov 01 13:52
scienteslike he talks about Jevon's paradox, but makes it his ownNov 01 13:52
schestowitzscientes: bill solves all the world's problemsNov 01 13:52
schestowitzby taking credit for others' workNov 01 13:52
scientes^^^^Nov 01 13:52
schestowitzthen bribing the media to spam his nameNov 01 13:53
scientesthat is all he knows how to doNov 01 13:53
schestowitzpneumonia, Parkinson's, polio...Nov 01 13:53
scientesevery other p wordNov 01 13:53
schestowitzGates solves them all in his spare time... in his home labNov 01 13:53
schestowitzwith his mom :-)Nov 01 13:53
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI remember you posted something about MSFT "Sleazy business practices....brilliant marketing."Nov 01 13:53
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txSomething like thatNov 01 13:53
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txStill their MONov 01 13:53
schestowitzyesNov 01 13:53
schestowitzreddit amplifies itNov 01 13:53
schestowitzand deleted MS criticsNov 01 13:54
schestowitzthen does AMAs with billnessNov 01 13:54
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThere's plenty of anti-MS stuff on RedditNov 01 13:54
schestowitz 01 13:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Beware Mozilla and Rust, Theyโ€™re Not Friends of Free Software or Even of Free Speech | TechrightsNov 01 13:54
schestowitz 01 13:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | TechrightsNov 01 13:54
schestowitzthis one has all the refs for reddit censorship of ms critics in itNov 01 13:54
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI'm not defending Reddit but we need to pull all the people that we can into the right stream of newsNov 01 13:54
schestowitzinc. 01 13:54
scientesnah, that is over the topNov 01 13:54
scientesrust has its problems, but its engineers are not sabateursNov 01 13:54
schestowitzreddit is already compromisedNov 01 13:55
scientesthey were developing a cool idea they hadNov 01 13:55
schestowitzmake something betterNov 01 13:55
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWe are making something better.Nov 01 13:55
schestowitzthey have done that in reddit since 2009 at leastNov 01 13:55
schestowitzwhen they did shill pieces for IE9Nov 01 13:55
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBut we still need to pull traffic from RedditNov 01 13:55
schestowitzfor MONEY!Nov 01 13:55
scientesrust did remove f128 for absolutely no reason howeverNov 01 13:55
schestowitz 01 13:55
schestowitz2010Nov 01 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Reddit Took Money From Microsoft to Help the IE9/Vista 7 Marketing Blitz, Which Failed | TechrightsNov 01 13:55
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schestowitzthis is a patch proposal 01 13:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Detecting and Undoing/Reversing Censorship of Microsoft Critics at Reddit | TechrightsNov 01 13:56
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI did some more research on Rust and I found out that the community is compromised. I'm sticking with GNU.Nov 01 13:56
schestowitzmeme: 01 13:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Humour] Things You Canโ€™t Say on Reddit | TechrightsNov 01 13:56
schestowitzconde nast: 01 13:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Peter Convicted for Pedophilia (and Still Defending Pedophilia) | TechrightsNov 01 13:56
schestowitz2009, when they propped up Microsoft Mono and suppressed our site 01 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Reddit Accommodated by Mono Boosters, Including Novell Employees | TechrightsNov 01 13:57
schestowitzpeople who now work directly for MicrosoftNov 01 13:57
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWe need to be pragmatic. The information that needs outing needs to get exposure everywhere. If we yell in a cellar nothing is going to change.Nov 01 13:57
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txA link or two every now and then (strategically done on various web locations) is going to be how we build channels to our outlets.Nov 01 13:58
schestowitzI'm all for itNov 01 13:59
schestowitzbut..Nov 01 13:59
schestowitznot at the expense of producing articlesNov 01 13:59
schestowitzI've long stuck by that principleNov 01 13:59
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou don't need to stop writing anythingNov 01 14:00
schestowitznot wasting time on social control 'media'Nov 01 14:00
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txPeople are stepping in to helpNov 01 14:00
schestowitzthe sheft life of these things is nillNov 01 14:00
schestowitzas tweets or reddit posts that are merely a link have no journalistic valueNov 01 14:00
schestowitz*shelfNov 01 14:00
schestowitzand few bother actually studying topics, they act like drama queens by link-droppingNov 01 14:00
schestowitzand call that "media"Nov 01 14:00
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txTechrights should keep doing techrights. You can let others handle the linking.Nov 01 14:00
schestowitz"we're the media now"Nov 01 14:00
schestowitz"yay! Drop some brietbart link. you 'activist'..."Nov 01 14:01
scientesschestowitz, yepNov 01 14:01
scienteszero data, echo chamberNov 01 14:01
scienteslots of biting the hand that feeds youNov 01 14:01
schestowitztwitter has "decks" or "cards"Nov 01 14:01
schestowitzso people don't need to clickNov 01 14:01
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's why consolidation of effort is important. We need people to not fragment away into their own little bubble. There needs to be a push from publishing, tech development, and infrastructure.Nov 01 14:01
schestowitzthey read a headline, see picture, get angry, "engage" in twitterNov 01 14:01
schestowitzno blog comments, just a censored "communication" feedback loop with "trending" and hashtagsNov 01 14:02
schestowitzto bring in more people to get angryNov 01 14:02
schestowitzand later the "tweet" turns out to be all wrongNov 01 14:02
schestowitzsometimes distorting the message of what it linked to (if anything)Nov 01 14:02
schestowitzlike many people who link to techrights, saying gates is a pedoNov 01 14:02
schestowitzor behind covivNov 01 14:03
schestowitzcovid*Nov 01 14:03
schestowitzthough we never ever argued thatNov 01 14:03
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou will always have trolls to deal with. That's never going to go awayNov 01 14:03
schestowitzusually they turn out to be the "Q" types, which Twitter increasingly shadowbans at every level, so they can only see one anotherNov 01 14:03
schestowitzI have two posts to draft before I start work at 5:30Nov 01 14:04
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schestowitzbbiabNov 01 14:04
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI'm just skimming the Guile info manual atmNov 01 14:04
schestowitz 01 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrianHilson: @lzsthw I find it very interesting that once a company gets to a certain size theyโ€™re willing to do a lot of questiโ€ฆ 01 14:04
schestowitz 01 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lzsthw: @BrianHilson The fact that you're "surprised" by it is part of the reason why I'm now against shaming other peopleโ€ฆ 01 14:04
schestowitzFrame "tweets", then show banners with twitter in US CONGRESS!!Nov 01 14:04
schestowitzLOLNov 01 14:04
schestowitzand trump "tweets" as WH "communication"Nov 01 14:04
schestowitzbecause who needs a Web site anyway...Nov 01 14:05
schestowitzDonald Dorsey 2020Nov 01 14:05
schestowitzEndorsey by @JackNov 01 14:05
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schestowitzfor next articleNov 01 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | TechrightsNov 01 14:14
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schestowitzwill quote Nov 01 14:20
schestowitz[12:46] <scientes> vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx, he just says "everyone in this room is wearing clothes, so you all have something to hide"Nov 01 14:20
schestowitzis there a direct source for it with /verbatim/ quote?Nov 01 14:20
schestowitzwill go with 01 14:20
schestowitzit's 3 paragraphsNov 01 14:22
schestowitzanyone wanna help proofread?Nov 01 14:22
schestowitz 01 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Monopolies Cannot and Will Not Respect Your Privacy (Itโ€™s an Anathema to Them) | TechrightsNov 01 14:27
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txSureNov 01 14:48
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWhere's the draft?Nov 01 14:48
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txNvm. Nov 01 14:51
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schestowitztoo late, but I can still edit further, I'm halfway through the next article nowNov 01 14:53
schestowitzjust backed up my wife's laptop while on munch breakNov 01 14:53
schestowitz*lunchNov 01 14:53
schestowitzno freudian slip thereNov 01 14:53
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txlolNov 01 14:54
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAwwNov 01 15:24
schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: can you check through 01 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ashtrays of Human Rights and Tech Rights | TechrightsNov 01 15:29
schestowitzpublished 10 secs agoNov 01 15:29
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txSureNov 01 15:29
schestowitzbefore I link in social control media (which let's face it, doesn't take long unless I start to "engage" beyond "write-only")Nov 01 15:31
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txschestowitz: looks good.Nov 01 15:36
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI'd be careful with the linking. Linking is fine, just don't get too involved on the platforms themselves.Nov 01 15:37
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schestowitzyes, it can be addictiveNov 01 15:38
schestowitzlike waiting for someone to respond to something you replied withNov 01 15:38
MinceR 01 15:38
schestowitzyou can lose hours without realising itNov 01 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4872880)Nov 01 15:38
schestowitzwhilst those companies 'harvest' your 'engagement'Nov 01 15:39
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txMinceR: lolNov 01 15:39
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe way I use Reddit is to make a post, get a discussion going, and then let that roll over between the readers.Nov 01 15:39
schestowitzit's not worth itNov 01 15:40
schestowitzand rarely you get much of value in itNov 01 15:40
schestowitzdue to low s/n ratioNov 01 15:40
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI got plenty of value out of itNov 01 15:40
schestowitzso better focus on the accurate things than random trolls with "flairs"Nov 01 15:40
schestowitzmaybe some subs are OKNov 01 15:40
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI don't pay attention to any of thatNov 01 15:40
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe main goal is to get a few comments rolling. Then the post gets to the top of the thread. Then you just let it grow on its own.Nov 01 15:41
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txKey is to lay off ASAPNov 01 15:41
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe nice thing about trolls on Reddit is that they're actually helping you. Any activity pushes your content up further.Nov 01 15:42
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txEnd goal being you want information to be seen.Nov 01 15:42
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI had plenty of trolls on my last post. But it went viral on the sub I posted it. Hundreds of upvotes in hours. One of the top comments was a troll (that account is now deleted).Nov 01 15:44
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAnd I noticed posting infrequently work better on Reddit. So now I just save that outlet for my big announcements.Nov 01 15:45
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txworks*Nov 01 15:45
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI tried high-volume at the start and it went well but my low-volume strategy is working a lot better.Nov 01 15:46
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat way you also don't get accused for sub-spammingNov 01 15:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] Contact-Tracing Ploy (Mission Creep/Mass Surveillance) is Only Effective When Dealing With Patient Zero and Few Others, Not Millions | TechrightsNov 01 16:06
schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: some "privacy" groups in RedditNov 01 16:06
schestowitzI never "got" itNov 01 16:06
schestowitzit's like going to a hunting expedition and then having vegetarian meals at the pub with the groupNov 01 16:07
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt is a pretty big dumpster fire rnNov 01 16:07
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWe we need to salvage what we can out of itNov 01 16:08
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBut we*Nov 01 16:08
schestowitzno, it's hopeless Nov 01 16:09
schestowitzwhen things go wrong, it's overNov 01 16:09
schestowitzso said pieter hintjens, as zoobab can attest toNov 01 16:09
schestowitzgood luck saving LF or OINNov 01 16:09
schestowitzyou cannot because the people who resist you are already insideNov 01 16:09
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWe're not trying to save RedditNov 01 16:09
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's not what I'm trying to sayNov 01 16:10
schestowitzit feeds the beast :-)Nov 01 16:10
schestowitzwe need to make alternatives to itNov 01 16:10
schestowitzwhile recognising it went wrong in a lot of waysNov 01 16:10
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's what we are doing. But people need to hear about the alternatives.Nov 01 16:10
schestowitzproprietary, censorship, corporate agenda pushed for cash..Nov 01 16:10
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI've completely stopped posting original content on Reddit for over a month nowNov 01 16:11
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBecause I too agree we should stop "feeding the best"Nov 01 16:11
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txbeast*Nov 01 16:11
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBut we can still leverage it to our advantageNov 01 16:11
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txTo funnel viewers to usNov 01 16:11
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIn the same way people share our links on social mediaNov 01 16:11
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAll my future content is going to be distributed via IPFS linksNov 01 16:12
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBut I'm still going to use Reddit to announce stuffNov 01 16:12
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schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: just don't spend extra time on itNov 01 16:14
schestowitzto them, your time is the productNov 01 16:14
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI don't spend any time on RedditNov 01 16:14
schestowitzand their commodity to "sell"Nov 01 16:14
schestowitzand it spreads non-linearlyNov 01 16:14
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBut thank you for the reminderNov 01 16:14
schestowitzas when you post something you cause several others to "engage"Nov 01 16:14
schestowitzyou can kill the beast by no longer engaging Nov 01 16:15
schestowitznot many people respond to me in Twitter anymore, as my profile makes it clear it's a shadow/ghost accountNov 01 16:15
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txRight now all I've got left to is to get an RSS service rolling.Nov 01 16:15
schestowitzand that I'll respond in other platforms, not TwitterNov 01 16:15
schestowitzthe only thing I'd even RT in Twitter is stuff that links to my own sitesNov 01 16:15
schestowitzbecause hey, this beast then feeds not itself but the target platformsNov 01 16:16
schestowitzI almost always RT everything that links to my siteNov 01 16:16
schestowitzand strictly thatNov 01 16:16
schestowitza big FU... you exist only to send "juice" to NON-Twitter sitesNov 01 16:17
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> because hey, this beast then feeds not itself but the target platformsNov 01 16:17
schestowitzFB goes out of its way to demote posts with links to external URLsNov 01 16:17
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's pretty much how I plan to use Reddit nowNov 01 16:17
schestowitzand reward people who upload "intel'" to FBNov 01 16:17
schestowitzPhotos, videos, original "posts" (traffic, ads)Nov 01 16:17
schestowitzthey made a project that sounds like IA just to keep people ON FBNov 01 16:17
schestowitzand never off itNov 01 16:17
schestowitzarchive they called itNov 01 16:18
schestowitznot sure if that worked outNov 01 16:18
schestowitzor suggesting making ISP-like service in poor countries with zero-ratingNov 01 16:18
schestowitzonly FBNov 01 16:18
schestowitzFCWWWNov 01 16:18
schestowitzReddit is the sameNov 01 16:18
schestowitzTwitter is increasingly the sameNov 01 16:18
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI've been to countries where FB is free in ISP plansNov 01 16:18
schestowitzanything to keep "screen time" highNov 01 16:18
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThey use it to mine dataNov 01 16:19
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI don't see any other reasonable explanationNov 01 16:19
schestowitz"trending", "infinite scrolling" inflammatory twitler tweetsNov 01 16:19
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txSo even if they don't have "data" to browse the web, they still have "data" for FB.Nov 01 16:19
schestowitzthat should be illegalNov 01 16:19
schestowitzbut FB hired many politiciansNov 01 16:19
schestowitzinc. our former deputy PMNov 01 16:19
schestowitzCleggNov 01 16:19
schestowitz 01 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Nick Clegg is trying to fix Facebookโ€™s global image โ€“ POLITICONov 01 16:22
schestowitz 01 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nick Clegg is on the wrong side of history at Facebook | John Naughton | Opinion | The GuardianNov 01 16:22
schestowitz 01 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Facebook's Nick Clegg: Calling Facebook's new rules not ambitious or piecemeal is unfairNov 01 16:22
schestowitzwtf is this?Nov 01 16:23
schestowitzPoliticians lying for corporations directly as wellNov 01 16:23
schestowitzthis is planet Earth eating itselfNov 01 16:23
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txLet's hope Clegg ruins Facebook like he did to his own party. lolNov 01 16:28
schestowitzparty pooper(tm)Nov 01 16:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Troy Hunt: Humans are Bad at URLs and Fonts Donโ€™t MatterNov 01 16:36
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI misread URLs all the timeNov 01 16:46
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI misread everything all the timeNov 01 16:47
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's why `diff(1)` is my crutch.Nov 01 16:47
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txFor example, I have access to a lot of host machines that aren't mine. I always ask people for the key fingerprint before I use SSH. That way I can just run the fingerprint against the one I see before I log in.Nov 01 16:49
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI'd be hopeless without `diff(1)`Nov 01 16:49
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou can use the `--unified` option to get the same output you get form `git-diff(1)`Nov 01 16:49
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou can actually use `git-diff(1)` on any file on disk.Nov 01 16:51
schestowitz  "I was intrigued that the mountain would come to Muhammad. But it was not until well after Schmidt and his companions had been and gone that I came to understand who had really visited me."    Nov 01 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Julian Assange - Google Is Not What It SeemsNov 01 16:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4869325)Nov 01 17:12
XRevan86MinceR: My Freedom feeler tingles.Nov 01 17:15
MinceRsounds like it's miscalibratedNov 01 17:16
XRevan86MinceR: You don't believe in the Land of the Free?Nov 01 17:16
MinceRi don't believe that uhmerica is the land of the freeNov 01 17:17
thddxhaha. a redefined concept of "freedom" perhaps. most in murica just don't understand/see their chainsNov 01 17:25
thddxit's just doublespeak messaging that encourages freedom thumpers to vote against their own freedomsNov 01 17:26
thddxit's been redefined to mean "no handouts" and "don't interrupt my dopamine consumption patterns"Nov 01 17:28
thddxthe very patterns that enslave the majority of the populaceNov 01 17:29
MinceRthere's only one thing they got right and that's the right to bear armsNov 01 17:30
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txDo they get the right to bear claws too?Nov 01 17:42
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MinceRi don't think those are forbidden anywhereNov 01 18:35
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI think I'm going to stick to this kirc client. It's pretty lightweightNov 01 18:42
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx testNov 01 18:47
vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx\HELPNov 01 18:48
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txDon't mind me mucking about.Nov 01 18:48
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz I got moved in. Few minor issues the landlord is going to fix tomorrow. Nov 01 19:25
DaemonFC[m]But other than that, very quiet. Had my first good night of sleep in over a year and a half last night.Nov 01 19:26
DaemonFC[m]I have a real home again. A real coffee maker. I'm putting furniture together. Nov 01 19:26
DaemonFC[m]The furniture I got together so far is really nice for flatpack stuff.Nov 01 19:27
DaemonFC[m]I hate furniture stores. They charge you the big bucks but it's not necessarily better than shopping Walmart and IKEA.Nov 01 19:27
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txtestNov 01 19:33
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txGlad to hear about the move, DaemonFC.Nov 01 19:33
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe nice thing about flatpack stuff is that you can store it away if you need temporary space.Nov 01 19:34
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, for more boxes. I'm just trying to get some of this dealt with each day. I want something to put my stereo on so I won't be so bored for the rest.Nov 01 20:05
DaemonFC[m]No sense calling Comcast just yet. I'm swamped and I'd pay for a week where I'm emptying boxes and putting stuff together. Nov 01 20:05
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: at last...Nov 01 20:27
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schestowitz>> It is odd that the people who are hostile to IP are often the sameNov 01 21:31
schestowitz> people who are in favour of data processing law - yet the latterNov 01 21:31
schestowitz> restricts personal freedom just as much (or more than) the former.Nov 01 21:31
schestowitz> Nov 01 21:31
schestowitz> What a cheap fallacy, I imagine they could get a million of those for a 20p.Nov 01 21:31
schestowitzGroklaw dead for days nowNov 01 21:32
schestowitzhttp://groklaw.netNov 01 21:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ )Nov 01 21:32
schestowitzRe: static pagesNov 01 21:35
schestowitz> All the ones they've got.Nov 01 21:35
schestowitz> Nov 01 21:35
schestowitz> 01 21:35
schestowitz> <>Nov 01 21:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Groklaw - Combined Docket #s 130-133 & 390- SCO Financials/SchedulesNov 01 21:35
schestowitzWe might want to mirror the site is it stays offline... but it might also be too late nowNov 01 21:35
schestowitzunless we copy the copies, which are imperfectNov 01 21:36
schestowitzgeeklog the CMS isn't maintained afaikNov 01 21:36
schestowitzthe site went into maintenance mode just 7 years agoNov 01 21:36
schestowitzlots of important posts, documents and comments in itNov 01 21:36
schestowitzalso the Gates deposition videosNov 01 21:36
DaemonFC[m]Not a moment too soon.Nov 01 21:40
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DaemonFC[m]Some bums beat each other up and broke some woman's windshield out the night we left.Nov 01 21:41
DaemonFC[m]One parking spot away from me.Nov 01 21:41
schestowitzhahaNov 01 21:41
schestowitzwait till trump losesNov 01 21:41
schestowitzthat's when the REAL violence commencesNov 01 21:42
schestowitz[21:25] <schestowitz> > way out of control there.  The US is already worst but due to currentNov 01 21:42
schestowitz[21:25] <schestowitz> > utterances from the regime in power and their (in)actions, it's about toNov 01 21:42
schestowitz[21:25] <schestowitz> > become even more devastating.  The post-election violence will be partNov 01 21:42
schestowitz[21:25] <schestowitz> > of the increased spread.Nov 01 21:42
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schestowitzInterview with RMS work in progressNov 01 22:07
schestowitz"Will a Q&A be a possibility this month?"Nov 01 22:08
schestowitzseems he's afraid of what some hacks might sayNov 01 22:08
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Weekly Roundup #102 []Nov 01 22:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ˜ž []Nov 01 22:55
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: TDE R14.0.9 release is here! โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ˜ž []Nov 01 22:59
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThink he's a bit busy with the election stuff going on.Nov 01 23:00
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAs well*Nov 01 23:00
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBeen a lot of that in my RSS from his site.Nov 01 23:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: โ€œHalloween Editionโ€ โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ˜ž []Nov 01 23:01
schestowitzdoes he still say vote green except in swing states?Nov 01 23:03
schestowitzlol!Nov 01 23:06
schestowitzfirefox with one little tab took up 2GB of RAM!!Nov 01 23:06
schestowitzthis is craaazy, mozNov 01 23:06
superkuhIt's not bad for an OS.Nov 01 23:06
schestowitzit was just this tab: 01 23:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free fake moon Stock Photo - FreeImages.comNov 01 23:06
schestowitzafter restarting it's sanerNov 01 23:06
schestowitzFalkon at 53 MB of RAMNov 01 23:07
schestowitzone tab openNov 01 23:07
schestowitzwordpress panelNov 01 23:07
schestowitzI'm going to start leaving top open in a tab, sorted by ram usageNov 01 23:11
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txBed time for me. Have a good one, all.Nov 01 23:11
schestowitzI need to understand why it's grinding to a halt at timesNov 01 23:11
schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: cheerioNov 01 23:11
schestowitzkonqueror takes almost a whole CPU core's worth for doing nothingNov 01 23:12
schestowitzjust some social control media thing polling for updates, which I cannot disableNov 01 23:12
schestowitzand now firefox takes 60% of a core, for doing nothingNov 01 23:13
schestowitzjust sitting thereNov 01 23:13
schestowitzwtf happened to the www?Nov 01 23:13
schestowitzfirefox-esr 44%Nov 01 23:13
schestowitzWeb Content 72%Nov 01 23:13
schestowitzfor just this page being opened: 01 23:13
superkuhBe the change. Disable javascript by default.Nov 01 23:14
schestowitzI rarely use FirefoxNov 01 23:14
schestowitzI used to disable more than JS in itNov 01 23:14
superkuhAh. So no adblock/etc set up.Nov 01 23:15
schestowitznow I  browse the web with kate (editor) and quiterssNov 01 23:15
schestowitzjavascript always off, otherwise I skip to the next siteNov 01 23:15
schestowitzit's like merely being stationed in the page compels someone to mine bitcoin/cryptocurrency with my electric billNov 01 23:16
schestowitzI've managed to bring that under control againNov 01 23:17
schestowitzI wonder if the ipfs extension vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx urged me to add caused part of that..Nov 01 23:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: man-pages-5.09 is released โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ˜ž []Nov 01 23:20
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.10-rc2 โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ˜ž []Nov 01 23:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: ArchBang November Release i3 Tiling Window Manager Based โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ˜ž []Nov 01 23:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Kernel 5.8 Reaches End of Life, Users Urged to Upgrade to Linux 5.9 Series โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ˜ž []Nov 01 23:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todayโ€™s ๐“ฃ๐“พ๐” ๐“œ๐“ช๐“ฌ๐“ฑ๐“ฒ๐“ท๐“ฎ๐“ผ Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ˜ž []Nov 01 23:49
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 1/11/2020: OpenIndiana Hipster 2020.10, RC2 of Next Linux Release and Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) Release โ€ข ๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ…ด๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ท๐Ÿ†๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ถ๐Ÿ…ท๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ†‚ โ˜ž []Nov 01 23:52

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